#indiewebcamp 2014-12-08

2014-12-08 UTC
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+104) "/* Working on */ Post-Wordpress mockup on hold." (view diff)
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snarfed belated…but aaronpk: tantek: re generating multiple email addresses for different accounts…wildcard forwarding is definitely your friend
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snarfed i use a unique @ryanb.org address for each account, with a single *@ryanb.org forward, so i don't need to create each individual addr
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aaronpk snarfed: wildcard forwarding just results in infinite spam for me
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snarfed aaronpk: sounds like a job for a spam filter?
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aaronpk i call that gmail
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snarfed sorry to be snarky…i just don't have that problem, i guess
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snarfed exactly!
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aaronpk still not worth it to me
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snarfed gmail isn't worth it?
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aaronpk also it makes google mad at my mail server
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aaronpk i start getting warnings back from google pretty quick saying i'm sending too much spam to them
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snarfed ok. i use gmail for incoming mail, not smtp, and the wildcard fwding works for me, both directions. just a data point, i guess.
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aaronpk if i only had one domain that would work fine. but i have a bunch of domains which i make forwarding rules for, and i can't make google apps accounts for all of them
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snarfed huh. me too (multiple domains), and i don't have google apps accounts for most of them either
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aaronpk what is the mx record for those then?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mx record for those then" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=mx+record+for+those+then
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snarfed meh
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snarfed most have MXes at my registrar, which forwards to my gmail acct
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aaronpk ah, you just let them deal with your email?
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aaronpk i might try that. cause i'm pretty sure google hates my ip address right now.
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aaronpk at this point the less i can touch my email the happier i'll be
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snarfed :/ yeah, i definitely don't want to be in the business of running either STMP or IMAP servers
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snarfed agreed. it's sad, but the email arms race is crazy intense, and i can't justify participating personally
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aaronpk yeah I run an smtp server for all my domains. i set it up like 8 years ago.
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aaronpk the nice thing is it's *so quick* to make a new domain and forwarding rule with it. it's gonna be hard to find a replacement that's as quick.
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snarfed understood. fewer domains + wildcard works for me, but that's just me
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GWG That's the one type of server I've stayed away from
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GWG SMTP/IMAP
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colintedford.com edited /Whistle (+59) "Added definition." (view diff)
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colintedford What is whistle?
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Loqi Whistle is an algorithmic link shortener https://indiewebcamp.com/Whistle
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GWG Hello, colintedford
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colintedford Hello, GWG
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GWG Editing the wiki?
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colintedford Mostly just my user page, but a few l'il edits elsewhere.
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+1790) "/* Wants */" (view diff)
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@TheRealDod You can #webmention the #fourtwenty clock now. #Indiewebcamp #Weeeeee! Respect to @aaronpk https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/12/you-can-webmention-the-4-20-clock-now-weeeeeeeeeeee (twitter.com/_/status/541860201335623680)
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@kevinmarks "@lightcoin: @doougle @kevinmarks we need apps that don't suck up everyone's data and deliver it to a central third party." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/541878381948567552)
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dubiousdod.org edited /WebmentionDressing (+95) "Deployment "in nature"" (view diff)
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elf-pavlik michielbdejong, http://indiewebcamp.com/indiehosters
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michielbdejong elf-pavlik: it's case sensitive apparently - http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieHosters
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elf-pavlik maybe worth setting up redirects?
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michielbdejong.com created /indiehosters (+41) "Created page with "See https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieHosters"" (view diff)
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michielbdejong.com created /indiehoster (+40) "Created page with "See https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieHoster"" (view diff)
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michielbdejong Done! :)
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michielbdejong brb
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wwelves.org perpetual-tripper created /Indiehosters (+41) "Created page with "See https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieHosters"" (view diff)
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elf-pavlik to bad /indiehosters and /Indiehosters can not redirect to /IndieHosters
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wwelves.org perpetual-tripper moved /User:Wwelves.org_perpetual-tripper to /User:Elf_Pavlik
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elf-pavlik !tell tantek do you have any infulence on https://mozillians.org ? seeAlso: https://github.com/hackers4peace/plp-docs/issues/7
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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michielbdejong elf-pavlik: http://tofumatt.com/ was the original lead developer apparently, he might know more
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elf-pavlik michielbdejong, thx!
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@SonarSystems @lovebootstrap Our 55th Bootstrap 3 tutorial covering Alerts. Check it out http://index.php #indiedev #slothdev #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/541941358651781120)
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kylewm.com edited /indiehosters (-15) "change link to redirect" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /Indiehosters (-15) "Redirected page to [[IndieHosters]]" (view diff)
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elf-pavlik kylewm, thanks for redirecting /indiehosters & /Indiehosters i couldn't do it, somehow it complained that IndieHosters already exists when I tried to Move page
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michielbdejong ah, thx!
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kylewm elf-pavlik: np, it's a common problem with the mediawiki being case-sensitive
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kylewm to add a redirect, you can just set the page contents to #REDIRECT [[CanonicalPage]], rather than doing a Move
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elf-pavlik how did you do those redirects?
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elf-pavlik got it! thanks for this tip kylewm++
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kylewm sure :)
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michielbdejong kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 88 karma
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elf-pavlik michielbdejong, https://twitter.com/elfpavlik/status/529406410262458368
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@elfpavlik #IndieWeb karma & http://tav.espians.com/pecu-allocations-by-tav.html @indiewebcamp @Espians @unhosted @punk_money @tav++ http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2011/02/12/1/loqi-the-friendly-irc-bot http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2014-10-27/line/1414435772932 (twitter.com/_/status/529406410262458368)
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elf-pavlik if Loqi can track who ++ who, which chan and when then it even could come useful aaronpk++
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aaronpk you can always grep the logs for that
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elf-pavlik sure it could store provesfor it's accounting, where we can find Loqi source?
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aaronpk loqi's source is in like 100 pieces
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elf-pavlik cool! i also tried to keep prototype i worked on a year ago very modular https://github.com/dspace-ng
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elf-pavlik needs to run run run
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aaronpk anyone else find it ironic that because XML feeds are so ugly, services like feedburner pop up to turn them back into an HTML page?
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snarfed to be fair, that's kind of a small side feature of feedburner, not its raison d'etre…but still, definitely funny!
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aaronpk i mean to their credit they implemented a whole xslt thing to turn the XML file into HTML in the browser
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aaronpk I love that when you click the "view feed xml" link it ends up looking jyust the same in the browser but it's all XML if you view source
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snarfed maybe one of the few real examples in the wild of serving xml+xslt to be rendered in browser
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aaronpk haha yeah
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aaronpk it's a good use for it too
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Loqi awesome
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aaronpk just would have saved a lot of work if it was microformats-2 instead
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snarfed tangent: the few times i've written nontrivial xslt code, i've actually kind of enjoyed it…except for the part where i had to code in xml syntax
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aaronpk haha
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snarfed (which promptly killed most of the joy)
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aaronpk there is something oddly satisfying about it. I remember doing some XSLT thing in C# .net stuff ages ago
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snarfed whoa
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snarfed odd couple
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bret aaronpk: yeah but its YOUR(/your clients) html + css
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aaronpk bret: ?
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bret when you render back xml
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aaronpk i never had an option, it's all done by the browser
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aaronpk based on server settings
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bret i agree its stilly to publish a second format though
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bret stemming from the idea that "html is hard to parse"
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aaronpk I agree html is hard to parse, that's why we have microformats!
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bret well, yeah excactly
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tantek.com edited /indiehoster (-15) "r instead" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieHoster (+16) "stub" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/move () "moved [[User:Elf Pavlik]] to [[User:Wwelves.org perpetual-tripper]] over redirect: revert - user identities on indiewebcamp are based on their personal domain. Ok to redirect plain strings *to* them, but vice versa is obfuscating." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /User:Wwelves.org_perpetual-tripper (+40) "stub with h-card to better structure name + URL" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks @pierre @acarvin @reportedly wow, all silos all the time? I home you have a http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS strategy in place for site deaths (twitter.com/_/status/542055903218778112)
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@dangillmor RT @kevinmarks: @pierre @acarvin @reportedly wow, all silos all the time? I home you have a http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS strategy in place for si… (twitter.com/_/status/542056164268060672)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/kevinmarks/542055903218778112/542056164268060672 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (webmention)
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tantek.com edited /report_abuse (+1231) "/* Instagram User */ UI updated *today* with new submenu and options" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks @acarvin @pierre I don't think you're a silo, but you have chosen silo centric publishing rather than #indieweb http://indiewebcamp.com/silo (twitter.com/_/status/542061502359150592)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/542055903218778112/542060683219968001 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/542055903218778112/542061502359150592 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/542055903218778112/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (webmention)
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snarfed aaronpk: these streaming search/bridgy clusters make me start to think about de-duping options
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/542061502359150592/542067365077213184 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/silo (webmention)
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aaronpk snarfed: yeah :) let's launch the first changes and go from there :-)
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snarfed agreed
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@ken_bauer @thomasson_engl @guster4lovers Currently on Schoology, thinking Classroom or open #IndieWeb homegrown setup. Hey @bennettscience @withknown (twitter.com/_/status/542084315921002496)
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DanC oh! so what I was calling reverse-syndication is called http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS around here.
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aaronpk "reverse syndication" is a little more self-explanatory :)
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DanC the Disadvantages section over-states the case.
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DanC sigh. now Somebody Is Wrong on the Internet and I won't be able to sleep ;-)
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aaronpk really? that's one of the less-opinionated sections IMO
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aaronpk compared to, say, old versions of the /database-antipattern page :)
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DanC "Non-canonical"? who says? I say the copy on my site _is_ canonical.
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DanC esp. in the case of a quora post, where google can't even see the original
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aaronpk yeah hm maybe so
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aaronpk esp because i've been using instagram as a PESOS utility for a long time now and I treat the photos on my site as canonical
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DanC "Less reliable" or maybe not. Maybe other sites don't rely on a part time hobby sysadmin to keep the thing spinning
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DanC also, I don't expect to use PESOS exclusively. I can still publish directly.
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DanC twitter's TOS say this ".. is not permitted"?!?! I think some civil disobedience is called for there. (cf. Tim Bray, Norm Walsh, and who know who else collects their tweets on their blog)
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DanC "HTTP Error 403: Forbidden" from https://facebook-activitystreams.appspot.com/ ; does it work for anybody else?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/542055903218778112/295049967 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (webmention)
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snarfed DanC: did you auth?
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snarfed works for me after authing
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DanC yes
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snarfed looking
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snarfed (and re twitter's tos, they've come after me for violating that in a couple projects, e.g. https://snarfed.org/2013-07-09_twitter-atom-is-back )
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snarfed DanC: not sure what the fb-activitystreams problem is, but i'll figure it out
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snarfed in the meantime, feel free to try https://twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com/ and https://instagram-activitystreams.appspot.com/
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DanC cool
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DanC does google app engine support app.mydomain.org? any idea what they charge?
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npdoty GAE can be a little tricky about naked domains
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npdoty especially with SSL, though they're working on that
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npdoty but foo.mydomain.org is supported, and free
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snarfed and no charge
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aaronpk www.brid.gy is on appspot right?
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snarfed right
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DanC another one for the todo list
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DanC it grows faster than it shrinks
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DanC (OT: the "hello world" gradle example is 3 to 4 clicks from the gradle.org homepage. 4 if you're silly enough to click "learn" rather than "documentation".)
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KevinMarks I need to work out the domains stuff for unmung
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DanC needs a nap
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snarfed KevinMarks: looks like e.g. http://feed.unmung.com/ works. what do you need to do?
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+293) "Added "Pipe Dreams" section" (view diff)
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snarfed colintedford++ (or something) for backfeeding facebook comments manually! http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Colintedford.com#Current_setup_.26_practices
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Loqi colintedford has 1 karma
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snarfed wow
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snarfed that's dedication
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colintedford snarfed: Ha, well, I don't get a lot of comments & I'm just doing the old ones when I feel like it.
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colintedford The warm & fuzzies I get from seeing comments on my site again, or on old posts that had none before, is worth it :)
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colintedford Also I guess I'm POSSE-ing my replies to those comments.