#indiewebcamp 2014-12-09

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snarfed colintedford: yup, understood. you'll probably appreciate http://brid.gy/ once you support webmentions
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+42) "/* Current setup & practices */ POSSE-ing my replies to new FB comments" (view diff)
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snarfed …which should be pretty easy since you're on wordpress. http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#webmention
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colintedford snarfed: For sure! I'm hesitant to add to many new functions to my Wordpress right now b/c I'm still dreaming about using something else
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snarfed sure
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snarfed out of curiosity, why?
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colintedford Plus I'm focused on more basic site work. But I suspect I'll end up just hooking the ol' WP anyway.
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colintedford snarfed: Security updates + /database-antipattern (which didn't create the desire, just helped support my layperson discomfort with databases & my growing love of plain text).
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aaronpk plaintext++
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Loqi plaintext has 1 karma
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colintedford I like a lot about Wordpress, though.
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GWG colintedford: Any way we could convince you to stay?
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snarfed colintedford: me too, i use it
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colintedford GWG: It'll probably be a while before I leave, assuming I actually do!
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snarfed fwiw, auto updates have improved the security story. (and database-antipattern is controversial and imho overstated, but that's a tar pit…)
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aaronpk auto-updates scare the crap out of me
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colintedford snarfed: True about the updates.
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GWG colintedford: I have been working on WordPress Indieweb stuff, and am always looking to advance the cause
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GWG aaronpk: They have choices. They only automatically push security fixes.
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aaronpk that's good
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GWG You can change it, but that is the default.
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GWG Major releases are not automatically updated, but there is a setting to change that
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colintedford snarfed: & Yeah, I've seen the db-ap back & forth & I know it's not gospel, but it resonates with me.
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@wavesco Stuart Langridge: Vouching for webmentions; hashing for vouches http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2014/11/30/vouching-for-webmentions-hashing-for-vouches/ (twitter.com/_/status/542108939044012033)
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@dschnard Stuart Langridge: Vouching for webmentions; hashing for vouches http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2014/11/30/vouching-for-webmentions-hashing-for-vouches/ (twitter.com/_/status/542108939199201280)
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colintedford snarfed: Mind, I'm mostly a layperson & possibly prone to overcomplicating things in the name of simplifying ;)
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snarfed colintedford: definitely. one way to decide is, estimate the work it'll take you to migrate, vs the work it'll take you to maintain your db over the next N years
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colintedford snarfed: Yes. Also what kind of work & whether it's fun or not.
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colintedford GWG: Yeah, I've been reading the old chat logs; I'm glad Wordpress is getting attention.
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colintedford aaronpk: I came across /kirby-login-app while reading the chat logs.
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aaronpk oh yeah!
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colintedford I haven't caught up to prsent day & know it's late, but did anyone mention http://getkirby.com/ ?
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aaronpk yes :(
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aaronpk i met them in germany actually!
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aaronpk he was like "aw your app sounds like a way better use for that name"
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colintedford Oh, nice!
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colintedford Well, there are only so many names in the world :)
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aaronpk i suppose i could call it "Kirby Login"
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aaronpk the dog is just too cute
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aaronpk it's Kerberos, or "Kirby" for short
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KevinMarks Snarfed: switch www.unmung.com to it too
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aaronpk Kerberos being the hound of Hades
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snarfed KevinMarks: aha. should be in the app engine section of your google apps admin page. try… https://admin.google.com/unmung.com/AdminHome?fral=1#AppEngineApps:
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colintedford aaronpk: I think "Kirby Login" could be mistaken for a login plugin for the other Kirby.
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aaronpk :(
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aaronpk i just really like the name and I don't often come up with cool names
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colintedford They're different kinds of apps so it's prolly not that big a deal that they share a name.
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colintedford Plenty of humans have the same name and it works out OK!
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snarfed sharingnames++
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Loqi sharingnames has 1 karma
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aaronpk ...as evidenced by my portfolio of services... indieauth.com, webmention.io (formerly pingback.me)
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snarfed absolute name uniqueness is overrated imho
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aaronpk of course step 1 is actually building the damn app
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snarfed (and more importantly, almost impossible)
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snarfed lol
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snarfed nah step 1 was the first design, which you did!
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aaronpk maybe that's step 2. step 1 is that wiki page which is a pretty good outline/design
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aaronpk jinx
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finchd aww, kirby isn't a Kerberos login app, but a GPG one? Kerberos service ticket auth would be cool
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aaronpk haha
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finchd name-overlap is normally fine, but but when you are providing the same service....
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colintedford Or when kids are named after their parents, undermining the very purpose of a name :)
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finchd The Kerberos auth protocol has been around since the 1980s, is how Windows AD authenticates, and under active development
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peterwilson.cc created /User:Peterwilson.cc (+495) "Created user page with basic details of setup" (view diff)
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KevinMarks !tell snarfed thanks - I was trying to use the sites admin to do it and that didn't work
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks Aaronpk I am now imagining a version of the pink kirby character with 3 heads
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: do you have notes anywhere on your micropub implementation?
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colintedford KevinMarks: That Kirby doesn't have much head-body separation so I'm curious what exactly you're picturing (I'm sure it can't easily be put in words). Anyway, http://colintedford.com/2014/12/08.2120-kirby-kerberos/ cc: aaronpk
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aaronpk bahahahaha
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colintedford :)
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colintedford I'm too lazy to revise it, but feel free to imagine that Kirby w/ a word balloon w/ a GPG key in it.
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aaronpk love it
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub (-15) "/* Endpoint Discovery */" (view diff)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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indie-visitor What's up all?
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indie-visitor I need a little starting advice setting up my POSSE
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GWG What sort of advice?
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indie-visitor Well... I figure I'll start with notes
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GWG Go on.
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indie-visitor Posse'ing to twitter, FB status, G+ based on my preference
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GWG From where?
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indie-visitor and I just can't seem to find a lot of source code from other folks doing it.
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GWG What are you using for your site?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you using for your site" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+using+for+your+site
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indie-visitor Yeah... from my site... which is about to be built from scratch based on all this
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GWG Well, G+ has no write API
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indie-visitor ok... so that's out... no prob
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GWG If you get webmention and microformats set up, you can use Bridgy
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indie-visitor I was looking into bridgy
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indie-visitor Is webmention + micro formats using bridgy the way to go?
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GWG It only does publish for 2 things.
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GWG It does however, do backfeed for more
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indie-visitor Can you explain backfeed?
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GWG Webmention is the backbone of the Indieweb
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GWG Backfeed is the other way round
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indie-visitor Gotcha... so silo to website
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GWG Importing comments from Facebook, Twitter, G+ back to your site.
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indie-visitor gotcha
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indie-visitor Sorry... just learning this terminology.
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GWG Yes
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GWG There is also a term for posting on silos and bringing it back to your site.
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indie-visitor Which is?
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GWG PESOS
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GWG Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate to your Own Site
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indie-visitor gotcha... makes sense
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GWG I prefer POSSE
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GWG But I have trouble with it
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GWG Because you have to get the setup right
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indie-visitor POSSE seems more ideal
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indie-visitor Is ther anyone with source code out there that does this decently, or do we/I need to build it?
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GWG Well, there are a lot of libraries for interfacing to the APIs of various services.
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indie-visitor Seems like it'd be delicate w/ api changes and all
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indie-visitor Cool
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GWG I have changing solutions on my list, because I sometimes have to manually POSSE because the automation doesn't work.
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indie-visitor I just didn't know if I was missing some obvious starting point or what
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GWG What language?
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indie-visitor but sounds like it's still wide open out here in indie world
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indie-visitor which is a good excuse to dive into something
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indie-visitor Python
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GWG indie-visitor: We like it that way
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indie-visitor me too!!!
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indie-visitor I'm gonna fit in here, I think!
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indie-visitor I'll be back later. Need to register my domain and such. Should be listed as JHSheridan next time I come around.
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GWG Bridgy is written in Python.
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indie-visitor Thanks for the advice friend
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indie-visitor Is bridgy source open source?
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indie-visitor I just looked breifly
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GWG indie-visitor: kylewm and KartikPrabhu, who are both active in here, use Python in their site
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GWG It is. And written in Python, I believe
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indie-visitor awessommmm
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indie-visitor So this IRC is pretty active?
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KartikPrabhu hark! who calleth!?
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GWG indie-visitor: Yes
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indie-visitor lol... what's up brother/sister?
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GWG KartikPrabhu: indie-visitor as yet unidentified uses Python and is looking for resources to build their site
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indie-visitor I'm a pythonista and I'm about to start my indieweb journey
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indie-visitor I'm about to leave this coffee shop, but I'll be back in a bit. Hopefully will be talking w/ you all soon.
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KartikPrabhu indie-visitor: cool! see you soon on here again!
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indie-visitor great!!!
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GWG KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 80 karma
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aaronpk aww we didn't get to find out who indie-visitor is
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aaronpk Next time you can ask if they have a domain name already, that's a good intro question
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wolftune aaronpk: yo, how's it going?
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: I will. I missed their first appearance
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JHSheridan What's up guys?
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JHSheridan and gals
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JHSheridan I was on here earlier as <indie-user> and just wanted to say thanks for the help form you guys. I should be in and around and asking quesdtions the next few days of you all. Looking forward to going indie.
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KartikPrabhu hi JHSheridan
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JHSheridan Hi... You're a pythonista, right?
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KartikPrabhu I use python for my site yes :)
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JHSheridan Mind sharing a link?
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KartikPrabhu i hesistate to call myself pythonists as I learnt python while making my site
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KartikPrabhu https://kartikprabhu.com/
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JHSheridan Same here
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KartikPrabhu Do you have a domain already?
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JHSheridan Yeah... JHSheridan.com
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JHSheridan It's Jekyll powered
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JHSheridan But I'm moving to python for this project
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JHSheridan Probably will be pelican + custom POSSE stuff
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JHSheridan At least that makes sense in my head, but that's why I'm here.
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snarfed JHSheridan: welcome!
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snarfed you may be interested in https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial
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Loqi snarfed: KevinMarks left you a message 6 hours, 6 minutes ago: thanks - I was trying to use the sites admin to do it and that didn't work
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KartikPrabhu static sites are good IMO. much simples
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snarfed and eventually https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/235
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JHSheridan amazing... amazing... just what I needed.
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JHSheridan thank you people!
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KartikPrabhu JHSheridan: this also might be useful: http://indiewebcamp.com/python
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JHSheridan snarfed: I'm trying to wrap my head around activity streams
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snarfed JHSheridan: are you familiar with the different social networks' APIs? or just the idea of them?
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JHSheridan Is it just a common API for the social APIs?
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snarfed they're different silos, but at their core, the data looks similar. posts, comments, likes, etc
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JHSheridan or a library, I guess?
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snarfed it's a common format, yes
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JHSheridan So I don't have to implement twitter/fb/g+/etc all differently?
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snarfed activitystreams is, at least. my project is a library and hosted API that can fetch from all four (and post to two) using AS format
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snarfed exactly
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JHSheridan I can implement once in activitystreams and it translates
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snarfed yup
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JHSheridan amazing
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KartikPrabhu JHSheridan: snarfed has been kind enough to abtract the silo APIs for us! :)
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KartikPrabhu is failing at spelling right now
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elf-pavlik hi o/ FYI https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Documentation
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elf-pavlik http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-activitystreams-core-20141023/
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snarfed having said that, other people here have implemented POSSE to different silos directly in python - KartikPrabhu, kylewm, bear, others
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elf-pavlik http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-activitystreams-vocabulary-20141023/
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snarfed JHSheridan: definitely compare and see if you think AS is worth it for you
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JHSheridan Doing it right now
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elf-pavlik latest: https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/tree/extended-vocabulary
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JHSheridan Care to sway me one way or the other? Personal bias is okay
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JHSheridan thank you elf
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KartikPrabhu JHSheridan: snarfed: I actually don;t have automatic POSSE but it is on my to-do list using activity streams. so I would highly recommend it
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snarfed JHSheridan: is your main use case reading or writing?
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JHSheridan I think I'll continue to consume most of my content in-silo
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JHSheridan So writing I guess
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JHSheridan but maybe I should rethink that too
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KartikPrabhu also as snarfed says often, "do it manually till it hurts, then code it" :P
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snarfed activitystreams-unofficial is great for reading, but arguably just good for writing, since it only supports FB and twitter
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snarfed KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 81 karma
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elf-pavlik JHSheridan, another activitystream based 'polyglot' server http://sockethub.org/
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JHSheridan niceeee
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JHSheridan you people are great
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snarfed write as little code as possible, and only after you've done things manually and you're sure you want to automate them
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snarfed sockethub++
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Loqi sockethub has 1 karma
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snarfed more discussion in https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial#related-work
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elf-pavlik snarfed++
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Loqi dude
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KartikPrabhu so much stuff is being thrown at JHSheridan right now :P
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snarfed heh
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JHSheridan haha... this is what I needed
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KartikPrabhu JHSheridan: I would recommend starting with http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started then maybe posting /notes ( http://indiewebcamp.com/notes ) and implementing webemention+bridgy for comments and backfeed
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KartikPrabhu also Loqi is very helpful, you can ask him questions like:
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Loqi who, me?
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JHSheridan Yeah... after reading the wiki I got the sense that I should focus on notes
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KartikPrabhu what is backfeed
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Loqi Backfeed is the process of syndicating interactions on your POSSE copies back (AKA reverse syndicating) to your original posts https://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed
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JHSheridan with webmentions as the backbone
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JHSheridan Hi Loki!
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KartikPrabhu What is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels https://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: JHSheridan: good point. if you start with bridgy publish (https://www.brid.gy/about#publish), you don't have to implement POSSE yourself at all (at least FB and twitter)
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KartikPrabhu yup! that is exactly what I do as a stop-gap at the moment
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JHSheridan FB and TW are my main issues. With TW being much more important
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KartikPrabhu writing your own POSSE code is a big project me thinks
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JHSheridan So POSSE = me pushing to social
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JHSheridan Backfeed is me pulling from silo
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KartikPrabhu what is POSSE?
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Loqi POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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KartikPrabhu :D
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JHSheridan Gotcha
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KartikPrabhu JHSheridan: no need to worry about the jargon. You seem to know what you want to do :)
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@tedder42 @stevelle so much for my crappy indieweb CSS, this is a much saner photo gallery. http://photoswipe.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/542253891622952961)
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@hugoroyd @tante trying to make hosting of @indiewebcamp technologies easier (twitter.com/_/status/542260519332106240)
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@hugoroyd @tante @indiewebcamp (and others) cc @IndieHosters (twitter.com/_/status/542260657106608128)
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@elfpavlik RT @hugoroyd: @tante @indiewebcamp (and others) cc @IndieHosters (twitter.com/_/status/542261273891987457)
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@checkdisout @aral ace! Congratulations! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/542281623056564224)
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@MrNeilScott @jamiehannaford I agree but maybe it doesn't need to. As long as it is open and hostable (eg https://owncloud.com/ http://indiewebcamp.com/) (twitter.com/_/status/542283857064906752)
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@IndieHosters @MrNeilScott @jamiehannaford We're already offering #indieweb hosting, #ownCloud hosting is underway, and we will offer Ind.ie hosting asap (twitter.com/_/status/542285194171285504)
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Was it you who commented on my timezone issue?
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ShaneHudson Hey everyone, I've not been in here for far too long!
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ShaneHudson Just wondering if there has been any interest in having a distributed network of "what's hot" kind of links. So each site would give stats on outgoing links. Aggregate them all together and you get a near real-time automated hacker news style tracker. Without needing to mannually add and vote for links, just see which links people are posting about.
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ShaneHudson Technically would work for any site, but seems particularly useful for indieweb :)
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG maybe, I have been known to look at timezone issues on people's sites
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ben_thatmustbeme hey ShaneHudson
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I finally got to fixing it
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ben_thatmustbeme yay
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Loqi giggles
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ben_thatmustbeme ShaneHudson, what do you mean by stats on outgoing links? how many people clicked on them? I think you might be better off just polling people's h-feed for links (assuming they have some way to filter like that)
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snarfed ShaneHudson: cool! sounds like the kind of thing that could maybe fit into https://snarfed.org/indie-stats
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ShaneHudson ben_thatmustbeme: Not quite. Just which links are available.
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ShaneHudson So basically like polling but would be far more scalable if each person (less practical I know) held their own information in an cron-updated json file or something
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ShaneHudson Then you can crawl over each of those files, instead of people's entire sites. To easily work out which people are posting about what and what might be relevant etc.
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ShaneHudson Just a thought I had while in my natural computation lecture haha
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Loqi nice
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ben_thatmustbeme I haven't heard from bear in a while about indie-stats
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Maybe he's been busy.
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GWG It's been quiet around here of late. Might be the season
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ben_thatmustbeme ShaneHudson: yeah though as you point out less practical. What about just getting people to have a feed of any post that has a link, thus at least filtering posts at least
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, I think so, things have been pretty busy for me too
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I recall you forked two projects and merged their codebases.
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GWG Or so you mentioned at IWC Online, I believe.
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GWG But, I need to buckle down and do some of my IWC plans. Just never enough time.
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ben_thatmustbeme i have been keeping up with a little bit of updating. been updating php-mf2 and php-comments recently. My next big push will be full photo tagging support
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I have been writing some basic functions off of php-mf2 to get data into WordPress.
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KartikPrabhu poo! my auto-linker does not recognise .computer domain!
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GWG Too many new TLDs?
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ben_thatmustbeme its going to get increasingly difficult to autolink with all the new TLDs
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colintedford I think I'm pretty OK with just having more mainstream TLDs autolink for me since they cover the majority of uses.
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Loqi [mention] http://tedcurran.net/2014/12/09/posse-blog-center-digital-life/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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colintedford When someone other than you posts to your timeline on Facebonk ... how are people handling that in relation to their sites?
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KartikPrabhu colintedford: yeah that is ok until you do want to use a new TLD site
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I think those are called "guest posts" in blogging parlance
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Loqi tantek: elf-pavlik left you a message 1 day, 5 hours ago: do you have any infulence on https://mozillians.org ? seeAlso: https://github.com/hackers4peace/plp-docs/issues/7
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KartikPrabhu tantek: not me colintedford :P
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csarven tantek http://csarven.ca/enabling-accessible-knowledge#acid-test-assumption-spoon :D
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wolftune tantek: hi
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tantek well hello everyone :)
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wolftune tantek: just working to spread the word, if you haven't seen it, Snowdrift.coop is doing a launch-fund-drive: snowdrift.tilt.com
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tantek what is Snowdrift?
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Loqi Snowdrift.coop is an in-progress platform for funding Free/Libre/Open projects of all sorts https://indiewebcamp.com/Snowdrift
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tantek so it's a funding conduit?
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tantek how is it related to indieweb?
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wolftune tantek: yes, a coordination platform
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wolftune you read about it and discussed with me a couple months ago… remember https://snowdrift.coop/p/snowdrift/w/en/snowdrift ?
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tantek wolftune maybe I forgot about it because I didn't get the connection
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tantek perhaps you could expand that wiki page with why it is relevant to indieweb?
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wolftune it's not indie / distributed yet (is a someday-maybe goal) but it's about *funding* specifically free/libre/open projects
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tantek csarven: lol
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csarven Damn right.
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wolftune so it's about supporting development of all the sorts of things that Indie is about, although we're a cooperative and centralized initially
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Loqi hehe
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tantek wolftune - then it might be offtopic for indieweb? I mean I see how it's about supporting open source in general which is great.
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csarven Yes, I really did left that in for a paper to conf on eGov/Open*
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tantek however if there's no "here's how you run snowdrift on your own domain" then it's not really indieweb
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csarven Canonical copy at my site.
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tantek csarven++
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Loqi csarven has 3 karma
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csarven Linked to SWAT0 just before
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colintedford KartikPrabhu: I'm OK with hand-linking odd urls in the rare cases I might link to them (not that you have to be).
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wolftune tantek: it isn't *really* indieweb at this point, although we'll have an API etc.
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wolftune I don't claim it to be, but I do think you would be interested in what we're doing nonetheless
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colintedford Or did you register a .computer?
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tantek wolftune - having a centralized API doesn't make it any more indieweb either
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wolftune agreed
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tantek wolftune - I guess it's not my focus right now
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wolftune we're meta
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tantek if there's no indieweb connection
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KartikPrabhu colintedford: well I put a link in my notes which are auto-linked plaintext
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tantek let me know if/when you install snowdrift on your own personal domain
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wolftune it's only tangential to indieweb at this point
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wolftune like an allied project
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wolftune but not indieweb itself
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tantek csarven: you should share your paper with the W3C Social Web WG!
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tantek e.g. on #social on irc.w3.org and note the relation to SWAT0 etc.
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tantek wolftune, btw - you can now add your image to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people also!
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colintedford KartikPrabhu: Oh right, so you can't link it; that is pretty annoying.
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KartikPrabhu yeah :P
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tantek csarven, you too - add yourself link & photo to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people !
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wolftune tantek: cool, so um, I have an image somewhere on the site already, like when I attended IWC…
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KartikPrabhu here is the auto-link fail just to be complete: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/magic-dirt-warrenellis
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csarven Will do, thanks.
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colintedford I forgot that "notes" are usually plaintext; I haven't made a very clear line between them & articles on my site.
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tantek wolftune - you can always add more to your User: page too
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tantek silly new TLDs
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wolftune tantek: which silly TLDs do you mean there?
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tantek wolftune: see https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/magic-dirt-warrenellis note morning.computer
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KartikPrabhu it is a great domain name for warrenellis but still... annoying that it broke my auto-linker
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wolftune oh!
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it's a silly TLD for anyone, including warrenellis
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KartikPrabhu I mean he has used it cleverly to match his blog name. But yeah in general I don't know what .conputer is supposed to mean
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tantek ^^^ exactly (typo lol)
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csarven Argh.. I have to run, but would have liked to discuss how IndieAuth works and the fact that it ends up relying on a 3rd party service get it going. (I can understand the happy middle ground)
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csarven Figured one of the ideas was to DIY/ControlYourself, but for something like auth, it goes through another party.. some of which are not favoured for instance when it comes to making status updates ;)
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KartikPrabhu csarven: IndieAuth can use GPG keys and you can act as your own authenticator
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KartikPrabhu or SMS
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tantek csarven - the dependence is ephemeral - that's the point. you can use a different provider everytime you login, and the consuming site just uses *your domain* every time for your identity and doesn't even have to know what 3rd party service you used.
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colintedford tantek: KartikPrabhu: "dot computers" are gonna be the next big thing after smartwatches :P
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colintedford Depite being hard to use and easy to lose
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tantek self-powered microdots :P
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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tantek colintedford++ lol
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csarven KartikPrabhu tantek Thanks. Will have to come back to this.. Gotta run :) Didn't mean to drop and "run away" :) Interesting topic and I'd like to see how I can integrate with what I'm working on http://csarven.ca/enabling-accessible-knowledge#identity
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anderson anderson--
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Loqi You can't karma yourself!
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colintedford :)
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csarven FYI, the paper is more on the Linked Data end, but microformats and IndieWeb perspective can be easily integrated.
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csarven "easily"
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anderson Is this karma data also on the website?
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wolftune tantek: so, I'm at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List but have no user page… is there a clear way to just put the stuff from the guest list into my user page?
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tantek wolftune: you have a User: page - by virtue of the fact that you've logged into the wiki
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wolftune tantek: what I mean is more liek what I should do to make the page more than blank
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Wolftune.com&action=edit&redlink=1
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tantek wolftune: http://indiewebcamp.com/wikifying#Wikify_yourself
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wolftune like, can I / should I just import the stuff that I put on my attendee thing?
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tantek ^^^
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wolftune ok
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aaronpk do any current micropub implementations publish a Link: header, or just the <link> tag in HTML?
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colintedford When you post to someone else's timeline on Facebook, does it also appear on your own in some way?
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colintedford (I just have a FB "page", not a "profile")
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colintedford so I don't have all the same functions / see the same things as "regular" FB users.
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GWG Colintrdfotd, be sure to check your privacy settings.
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colintedford GWG: Pages don't have privacy settings that I know of; they're meant to be promotional.
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GWG I thought they did about who could post to them. Will have to look into that.
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colintedford I have one b/c I'm a cartoonist. Was wondering b/c someone posted to my timeline & I wasn
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GWG I am not a very enthusiastic Facebook user.
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colintedford 't sure how to handle it re: my own site.
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colintedford I think there are settings to restrict who can post, but not privacy.
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colintedford Ditto re: enthusiasm.
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GWG I always use the Willie Sutton logic for social networking.
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colintedford Wuzzat?
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GWG I'm there because that is where the people are.
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colintedford Yes, exactly.
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GWG I want to drive those people back to my site.
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colintedford Anyway, tantek suggested handling "other-person-posts-to-your-timeline" as a "guest post", which is sensible
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GWG Which is hard sometimes.
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tantek colintedford: just based on previous existing behavior :)
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colintedford but I was considering treating it like a comment / mention to my homepage
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GWG I have an issue with that from an authorship and hcard point of view.
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colintedford but that maybe makes less sense if it doesn't appear on their own timeline / profile somehwere too.
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GWG I've not gotten to guest posts.
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GWG Colintedford, there was a discussion recently about trying to decide how you know whether you should repost something.
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GWG The general consensus was that you should.
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GWG As long as you respect requests from the original person as appropriate
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colintedford Yeah, I don't think I'm too into plain reposting. I did it on Tumblr b/c that's the thing there, but it doesn't feel right for me on my site.
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GWG I need to review my Indiewebcamp priorities again.
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GWG These discussions always make me want to do something sooner
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colintedford "Guest post" is an appropriate frame, but that's not something I normally do & I don't have a clear picture of how I'd want to.
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GWG Colintedford: Then that is your first question. What feels right?
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GWG We have a lot of people here with good ideas, but at the end of the day...
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colintedford I'm inclined to treat it as a mention to my homepage, which I would shunt off to a side feed w the other mentions
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colintedford (in the future when that's the kind of setup I have :)
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colintedford That fits pretty well w/ how my FB page currently displays them but I don't know what goes on on the poster's end.
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colintedford If it doesn't really show up in their space then that framing might be iffy.
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GWG So, default to that , and promote anything you think worthy
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GWG It is not all or nothing.
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GWG And no one, even aaronpk, who posts what food he eats from his watch, has everything they want on their site.
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GWG aaronpk, I hope you took that as intended.
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colintedford Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. I just wasn't sure if I was happy w/ considering it a mention b/c I don't have the whole picture
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colintedford But I guess a) it's my site & I can do whatever, and b) I can just ask the person who posted (or another FB-heavy friend).
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colintedford aaronpk eats food from his watch?!
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tantek note to self: if a "collection" is just a type of post, then is adding to a collection just an *Update* of that post? and does that imply an "Append" or "Add" verb would be useful for collection posts, or maybe for adding to a "live blog" style post?
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colintedford Related to tantek's note to self, is anyone publishing separate notes for updates?
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tantek what is an edit?
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colintedford Not neccessarily separate in the plumbing but like the gist of a correction
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Loqi An edit (AKA diff, change) is a special type of reply that indicates a set of suggested changes to the post it is replying to. A collection of (presumably related) suggested edits in open source is often called a patch or pull request https://indiewebcamp.com/edit
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colintedford Oh right, wiki :)
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colintedford ... or the photos added to a set? (just finishing thought for sake of completion)
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tantek right. a photo collection is a just a collection post.
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tantek what is a collection?
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Loqi A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indiewebcamp.com/collection
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ShaneHudson In my personal usecase, a collection is a database of items. A post is any type of post. A collection is something like location or book. I can reference between the two. I used Mandy Brown's website for inspiration of that
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tantek ShaneHudson: lol database. way to smash a fly with a sledgehammer
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ShaneHudson Yeah database being metaphorical
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tantek ShaneHudson: do you have links to examples on your website of such a post or collection?
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tantek because we are reasoning from permalink examples on various sites, including FB
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tantek which treat collections as their own posts
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ShaneHudson I wanted a clear separation between my own content, and reusable content. If that makes sense
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tantek no not really
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tantek all content is somewhat re-usable somewhere
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ShaneHudson I don't have anything front-facing yet but will show you using Mandy's
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ShaneHudson She has a book page like so: http://aworkinglibrary.com/reading/this-changes-everything/
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tantek which is neither
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tantek that's more like a wiki page
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ShaneHudson Then she writes a post, about the book like so: http://aworkinglibrary.com/writing/overkill/
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tantek what is a wiki-page?
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Loqi A wiki page is a type of web page that many in the IndieWebCamp community either want to or already host on their own personal site https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki-page
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ShaneHudson And the book page updates: http://aworkinglibrary.com/reading/sixth-extinction/
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aaronpk i don't see how those are collections at all
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ShaneHudson I don't know how she does it, but in mine I just have a relationship between my post and the book. An I can list the books separately from posts, and the posts that relate to the book
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tantek me neither
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ShaneHudson It was just the best term I could think of for it when I implemented
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tantek those just look like wiki pages with embeds
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KartikPrabhu tantek: the reading notes are their own posts which have been collected on the book post
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ShaneHudson It is just the term I use. I have Posts, Interactions and Collections
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KartikPrabhu ShaneHudson: I like Mandy's example! A good way to do reading notes and collect them in one place by book!
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aaronpk oh I see, this one is multiple posts http://aworkinglibrary.com/reading/sixth-extinction/
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ShaneHudson Yep
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aaronpk under the "reading notes" section
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aaronpk each has its own permalink
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KartikPrabhu yes
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ShaneHudson Yes
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tantek I see the under the "reading notes" section as an embed of a collection, not a collection itself
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tantek like comments
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tantek in fact that's what they read like, comments
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tantek so it's just a wiki page with comments
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ShaneHudson True, but you can view them on there own
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KartikPrabhu <shrug> looks like a collection to me
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ShaneHudson for instance, a page of my books or a page of my locations.
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tantek nah - it's not a collection because they're specifically a *secondary* thing
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tantek on that page
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KartikPrabhu if not that then I don't know what a collection is
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tantek just like comments on a post
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tantek KartikPrabhu: what is a collection?
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Loqi A collection is a type of post that explicitly lists and/or embeds multiple other posts chosen by the author https://indiewebcamp.com/collection
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ShaneHudson Fair enough, it isn't a concept.. just the name I called it. Naming conventions are the hardest thing in CS right? :P
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tantek difference here is that the it's not explicit from the collection viewpoint
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tantek but rather aggregated, the way you aggregate comments
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tantek whereas a collection implies curation
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KartikPrabhu errr those might be curated...
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tantek ShaneHudson: when naming something check for existing uses first - that's not hard - just requires you to take an explicit step
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tantek as many things in CS do
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ShaneHudson I see. So if I manually made a Fantasy page, and embeded that genre, you would call it a collection? Fair enough
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KartikPrabhu so I can't collect my own posts into a "collection" post
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KartikPrabhu ?
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KartikPrabhu I have to "curate" something
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tantek you can - however - explicitly curated = collection
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aaronpk you can curate your own posts sure
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tantek whereas automatically embeded = aggregation
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KartikPrabhu strikes me as arbitrary ... <shrug>
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tantek big difference
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tantek nope
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tantek curation = conscious authorship
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tantek hence why a collection is a *post*
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KartikPrabhu go is "aggregate" a post type too?
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tantek post are consciously written by the author
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aaronpk here's a collection post of 4 photos and 1 map. this could not have been automatically done. http://aaronparecki.com/collections/2014/08/14/1/
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ShaneHudson Yeah I really don't care about name.. just saw you saw collection and thought I would let you know what I do :)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no aggregate is not a post type
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ShaneHudson *say
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tantek closer to navigation
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KartikPrabhu hmmm ok
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aaronpk aggregatations are closer to feeds
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tantek what is navigation?
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Loqi Navigation refers to the UI, UX and markup allowing people to move around a website https://indiewebcamp.com/navigation
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tantek what are archives
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Loqi archive in the context of the indieweb refers to date-grouped (often monthly) sets of posts (AKA personal historical archives, a common form of navigation), but can sometimes mean archival copy, a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time https://indiewebcamp.com/archives
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KartikPrabhu does not agree with that particularly because of Mandy's example. It is not a feed, it is not comments, it is not archive
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KartikPrabhu anyway, post type debates have generally not enlightened me at all so <shrug>
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tantek Mandy's example is basically comments
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aaronpk here's a feed of posts, not all authored by me, which is automatically updated http://aaronparecki.com/tag/indieweb
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tantek where her notes are basically just "webmentioning" her book "post"
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tantek and then her book post is including them below
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tantek nothing curated / collection about it
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ShaneHudson Essentially that is what I do yes, just in implemention side I want it separate from my post
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tantek comments are not a "collection"
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tantek comments are separate from the post
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ShaneHudson My comments are Interactions, my posts and Posts and my books are Collections. Simple. Sorry about the naming, maybe I could change later if anyone else adopts a similar system
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tantek yes your notes on your books are interactions with those books.
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tantek if you ever do create explicitly curated collection posts (like photo collections), you'll likely want to rename
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tantek just a heads-up
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ShaneHudson That would be a post
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tantek right, a collection post
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ShaneHudson Yeah
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colintedford She's not really commenting on the content of the book post, I think; the book post is like an anchor for her "reading notes" posts about the book.
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ShaneHudson For me personally it would be a Post with the post type of Album. Like I have Posts which are of post type Link
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tantek she is *precisely* commenting on the content of the book!
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ShaneHudson Because photo albums are my own content. My "collections" are not
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tantek she quotes portions and says stuff
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colintedford On the content of the book, not the content of her post summarizing the book.
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ShaneHudson Yeah she is. She can also comment on multiple books at once and it will appear on all book pages. Internal webmentions of a sort
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tantek the URL for the book is a representation for the book, as our websites are repsentations of ourselves
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tantek colintedford: distinction not helpful
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tantek ShaneHudson: precisely. just like you can /multi-reply !
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tantek so yes - they look and act like comments
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ShaneHudson Yeah. I think you are only disagreeing over naming, everything else really is very simple
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tantek regardless of whether you want to call them something else
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tantek I am disagreeing over a new name for the same thing
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tantek which is one of the common mistakes of naming
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ShaneHudson I just wanted separation between: My content (Post), Other people's content/comments (Interactions) and Things I reference ("Collections")
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ShaneHudson Do you have an idea for a better name? It shouldn't be hard for me to modify. Though it doesn't matter, I'm not proposing it as a concept, just as thing I have implemented on my own site
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tantek I think the misconception you have is that interactions are only other people's content/comments
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colintedford I guess I'm not sure how helpful this special use of "collection" is for me personally.
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tantek whereas they also *often* include your own follow-up comments
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tantek so that's a mistake to assume comments = other people
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tantek I think that's where the conceptual break happened
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ShaneHudson Not on my site
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tantek comments = any kind of notes about the thing, from you or others
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tantek e.g. Twitter @-replies on your own posts
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tantek ShaneHudson: do you have replies on your site?
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ShaneHudson The way I've implemented is my own comments are posted as Post. The interaction is metadata of my own, but nothing more
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ShaneHudson tantek: Yes
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tantek do you have ever follow-up to others comments on your posts?
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tantek s/have//
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Loqi tantek meant to say: do you  ever follow-up to others comments on your posts?
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ShaneHudson I don't, mostly due to some bugs. But I will be able to
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ShaneHudson The follow-up would be a new Post
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ShaneHudson With its own permalink etc.. Same as normal
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tantek that's my point - those are all just comments / follow-ups / threads on the original
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ShaneHudson Yes
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tantek and then if you follow ben_thatmustbeme's implementation you may even have threads
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tantek (speaking of naming problems - looking up the name of that)
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ShaneHudson Right, I plan to. Though have so little time at moment, and need to get some cash in
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/recursive_reply-contexts
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tantek ShaneHudson: cool re: "plan to" - perhaps drop a note on your "Itches" section on your User: page?
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ShaneHudson It's not really an itch right now, just a nice to have
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tantek nice to haves are also itches
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ShaneHudson Heh fair enough
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/User:ShaneHudson.net#Itches :)
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ShaneHudson Haha cheers
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tantek hey colintedford - add an image for your self in https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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colintedford tantek: Will do eventually, don't have one handy.
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tantek colintedford: do you use Twitter?
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colintedford No, I have an account but I don't really use it & don't have a pic there.
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ShaneHudson I still need to work on mobile UI, I've been using twitter without POSSE far too much
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tantek colintedford: makes sense.
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tantek ShaneHudson: yes! http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata
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colintedford Used to have a pic on my site but not since redesign. Been meaning to make a new one 'cause the old one doesn't work well as a square.
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tantek colintedford: do you use any silos? FB? IG? Tumblr?
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ShaneHudson I mean, it all works but the lack of offline-mode and the fact that I live in a city where most buildings are over 400 years old means I never have good signal
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tantek ShaneHudson: I feel your pain. I've chosen to only post from my laptop and POSSE instead of using Twitter mobile client (and not owning my notes).
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ShaneHudson tantek: Yeah I am still too addicted to Twitter, it is a habit haha
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colintedford tantek: FB (has the old non-square pic, or maybe awkward crop thereof)
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tantek aaronpk++ for giving a very nice micropub overview in the SocialWG telcon today
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ShaneHudson I do make sure to post notes that I don't want to lose to Twitter. But most stuff I don't care too much about
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aaronpk yay I hope it was useful
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tantek ShaneHudson: make it a resolution for 2015 to only post notes from your own site.
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ShaneHudson I may do that
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colintedford Used to use Tumblr but haven't in a while.
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tantek If you can stick to that, it will break your addiction.
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ShaneHudson Has anyone got POSSE-as-reply working on Facebook?
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aaronpk made me want to solidify the update/delete parts more
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tantek I know this from personal experience - the quality of my notes changed drastically once I started *only* posting from my own site
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tantek aaronpk - great!
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jonnybarnes ShaneHudson: I also pretty much only POSSE stuff to twitter
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tantek jonnybarnes: do you *only* POSSE to Twitter?
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ShaneHudson I am so glad I post links to my site now though. That was a very good move
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ShaneHudson Even if it isn't styled yet haha https://shanehudson.net/links
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tantek yes! ownyourlinks!
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tantek ShaneHudson: do you *only* post links first to your website (and optionally POSSE somewhere else?)
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jonnybarnes tantek: so, original tweets are only ever POSSEd notes
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ShaneHudson I used to have a bookmarks folder on one computer and a different one on another
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ShaneHudson No POSSE for links
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jonnybarnes occasionally Ill reply to someone's tweet natively in my twitter app
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tantek jonnybarnes: excellent! add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata#IndieWeb_Examples
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ShaneHudson I just post a note that links if I want to POSSE it. The links part of my website is just for links, not commenting/note about the link
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tantek and note that you're posting *notes* exclusively to your own site, but that you still post replies on Twitter.
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jonnybarnes sometimes ill bother to make a reply on my own site that gets copied across
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tantek jonnybarnes: it's still excellent progress
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tantek took me 3+ years to ownmyreplies
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tantek from just owningmynotes
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tantek ShaneHudson - you should add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata#IndieWeb_Examples as well, specifically per http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata#Per_Post_Type and "[[bookmarks]]" as the post type that you own
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ShaneHudson I need to start tagging my links, but I can never come up with reusable tag names haha
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tantek ShaneHudson: ^^^ -> http://indiewebcamp.com/User:ShaneHudson.net#Itches :)
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ShaneHudson If I add everything I want to do to my site to that page, I will have written another book! :P
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tantek on the contrary - capturing such other thoughts in a place like that helps clear your head to write a book!
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ShaneHudson The ISBN one is quite a big itch, do you know of any API that scans a barcode and returns a nice json of details?
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tantek just keep braindumping. that Edit link is fast :)
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ShaneHudson Haha okay, in a bit. Preparing a soup at moment :)
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tantek ShaneHudson: perhaps start a http://indiewebcamp.com/User:ShaneHudson.net#LazyWeb section with such requests?
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tantek checks his own user page
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tantek I have a similar section http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com#need_help_with
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ShaneHudson Do you "POSSE" of sorts your itch page?
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ShaneHudson Mine is at https://shanehudson.net/itch
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tantek yes that's pretty impressive
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ShaneHudson It felt a little silly saying "I want to do this to my site" on a different site haha
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tantek I would like to, yet doing so depends on me first implementing http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Indie_Wiki
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tantek and yes it feels silly however I don't mind at least contributing it to a /commons like indiewebcamp as opposed to a silo like PBworks
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ShaneHudson Yeah true
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ShaneHudson Is there plans for IWCUK'15 yet? If it is after May/June then I could probably help organise
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reedstrm ShaneHudson: http://xisbn.worldcat.org/xisbnadmin/doc/api.htm#getmetadata
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reedstrm That'll help w/ the second half - convert isb to useful metadata
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ShaneHudson reedstrm: Ah thanks :) Yeah there are a few ways to do that bit. Hopefully someone has done the whole lot, I don't see myself having time to implement a barcode scanner! (It would be fun though)
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jonnybarnes ShaneHudson: how come the object note type is crossed out on your itch page?
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ShaneHudson jonnybarnes: Because it is implemented, I could just remove from list but for some reason wanted to cross off. No real reason
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jonnybarnes ahh kk
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reedstrm ShaneHudson: WDYM barcode scanner? Physical piece of hardware? those I've seen show up as a keyboard equivalent, so text entry field in a web form. Heck even the scan app on my phone copies the code to the clipboard, so could paste into a form. Or are you wanting to scan from images?
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tantek snarfed++ on /ownyourdata ! Impressive !!
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Loqi snarfed has 58 karma
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reedstrm suddenly remembers that he's got a cuecat somewhere in a box ...
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sparverius cuecat raised $185 million
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jonnybarnes ShaneHudson: I just see random numbers on https://shanehudson.net/notes
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tantek jonnybarnes: look like sequential post IDs to me ;)
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jonnybarnes they look like times to me
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reedstrm sparverius: and that was back when a $100 million meant something :-)
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JHSheridan So I spent most of the evening researching indieweb stuff, and it seems like brid.gy is the way to go for me, but I want to make sure I fully understand how it works
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snarfed listens
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JHSheridan Brid.gy PULLS (Backfeeds?) info from social silos and sends them to my site via webmention
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tantek welcome JHSheridan !
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JHSheridan and it PUSHES by my site sending a webmention to Bridgy, theb bridgy uses the social APIs to send them to each silo
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JHSheridan Thanks Tantek. Big fan of your work and have watched some of your talks online!
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snarfed JHSheridan: you can also push (aka publish) interactively via the UI on your user page
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JHSheridan right
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JHSheridan but can also ping bridgy w/ a webmention too right?
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JHSheridan like I mentioned above?
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snarfed yes
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/about#publish , https://www.brid.gy/about#webmentions
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JHSheridan Is there a reason I shouldn't use brid.gy?
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snarfed well, if you want to learn and code against each silo's API yourself
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JHSheridan lol... no.
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JHSheridan definitely no.
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snarfed or if you're violently allergic to any third party service
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JHSheridan Only slightly allergic, but it's open source, so that mitigates most of my fears
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snarfed right
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snarfed the nice thing is, it's not a big decision you have to make up front
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JHSheridan And talk about support! Better than any commercial product!
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snarfed ol
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snarfed er lol
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JHSheridan Just talk to the maintainer directly
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snarfed no promises!
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JHSheridan haha... no doubt.
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JHSheridan ok... well there's todo #1 for me: Get JHSheridan.com sending/accepting webmentions
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snarfed gives JHSheridan a library, http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Libraries
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JHSheridan amazing... I'll probabaly use Ronkyuu or Webmention-tools
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JHSheridan for the python
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tantek delayed reply: jonnybarnes yes I agree they look like 24hr HHMM times
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jonnybarnes tantek: what I was mainly getting at (I want a less angry sounding word but cant think of one) was surely the url /notes should let me read the notes, not give me a load of links?
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Loqi gives jonnybarnes a less angry sounding word but cant think of one
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jonnybarnes which is Loqi?
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finchd what is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels https://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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tantek Loqi, you really should respond in the first person when someone asks what is Loqi.
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels https://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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KartikPrabhu JHSheridan: I would recommend ronkyuu. it gets more attention than webemention tools
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tantek jonnybarnes: indeed there are better ways to display a notes archive
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JHSheridan Great. Thanks KartikPrabhu!
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tantek but something is better than nothing
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jonnybarnes true dat tantek
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tantek I don't even have a page of just my notes
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KartikPrabhu JHSheridan: might I also suggest https://github.com/kartikprabhu/connection which is what I use. It binds together ronkyuu, mf2py and mf2util for webmention stuff
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jonnybarnes “Stream of Consciousness”
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JHSheridan awesome
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@sillygwailo Webmention in Drupal http://r13n.com/2014/webmention-in-drupal (twitter.com/_/status/542430492696395776)
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@drupalnation RT @sillygwailo: Webmention in Drupal http://r13n.com/2014/webmention-in-drupal (twitter.com/_/status/542431576752009217)
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ShaneHudson My notes archive is worse than my links haha https://shanehudson.net/notes
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bret an interesting alternative to email https://github.com/maxogden/messages
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KartikPrabhu so... you should know git to read email... hmmmm not a good UI
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snarfed it's https://github.com/aaronpk/self
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thedod Hi
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: fortunately you don't need to know git to file a GH issue. still, point taken, it's definitely silly
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: i was thinking particularly about the PGP encrypted issues
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snarfed oh god
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: see: https://github.com/maxogden/messages/issues/9
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snarfed refuses
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KartikPrabhu lol
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aaronpk course there's also this: https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/02/26/7/gpg
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colintedford "maxogden changed the title from Gnihihi to an encrypted message" What? Gnihihi's a way cooler title. Gnee-hee-hee!
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tantek is max talking about deploying that to his own site? or are these just another instance of silo private messages?
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bret silo PM
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tantek bret, well if you think it is "interesting" - feel free to add it as a "Silo example" in a new such named section here http://indiewebcamp.com/messaging
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bret grrr keep getting logged out of the wiki
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thedod I just forked WebmentionDressing at https://zzzen.com/420/ so that if you webmention and the TOD minutes are ~20, you get \o/ in the timestamp :)
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thedod 17-23 to be exact
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tantek I'm trying to figure out a solution to an auto-linking/embedding problem of sorts and am looking for suggestions
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@kevinmarks in #indiewebcamp @aaronpk was explaining that Kirby was short for Kerberos. Colin Tedford illustrated my confusion: http://colintedford.com/2014/12/08.2120-kirby-kerberos/ (twitter.com/_/status/542451956929662976)
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tantek because I'm still posting photos on Instagram, I sometimes link to them (and their .jpg) directly from my notes when I want to post about them
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tantek anyone know a good way to go from an IG permalink like http://instagram.com/p/wSZg-QA9XJ to its jpg like http://photos-e.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/10852837_606021952835284_2081190166_n.jpg ?
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aaronpk haha I use the chrome web inspector for that...
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aaronpk so... not "good"
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tantek well, right, for "crappy" there's grep <meta property="og:image" content="
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aaronpk oh good call, that's easier
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thedod tantek, og:image etc. (i.e. an opengraph lib) could help in this case
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thedod (and probably others)
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thedod ah
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tantek if we're talking browser UI, it's much easier. Firefox, control-click on the image, "View Background Image" :)
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thedod https://github.com/search?q=opengraph&type=Everything&repo=&langOverride=&start_value=1
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tantek meh - not going to wade through a search
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thedod what lang?
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thedod ok. py https://github.com/erikriver/opengraph
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tantek thedod - CASSIS :P
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tantek aaronpk - the other alternative I am exploring is implementing more of my Markdown replacement syntax
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tantek into my auto-linker/embedder
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tantek so I can say here is a link and here is the image to put inside
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tantek which can then be POSSEd as just here is a link
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tantek also - I don't want to have to do an HTTP get on the link just to figure out what image to use to preview it
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tantek and then munge for og: etc.
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tantek currently my /autolink and /autoembed functions are purely algorithmic - just string manipulation - zero network access. = performant and fast.
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tantek no way I'm going to saddle those with any network accesses
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thedod You could cheat and do it client side in JS, but something tells me you wouldn't :)
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KartikPrabhu nods
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KartikPrabhu errr... me nods with tantek not at JS
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tantek :)
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@kevinmarks @mala your blog is right there Danny. The #indieweb is chanting "one of us" (twitter.com/_/status/542455442442448896)
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@kevinmarks @mala I just know you could write your own #indieweb compliant posting interface to procrastinate from actually blogging (twitter.com/_/status/542458040088141828)
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jonnybarnes Yay, it works https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/4y
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Loqi woot
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GWG I have an issue I need to figure out
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tantek annoying. can't edit wiki pages on PBWorks without JS :(
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tantek what is pbworks?
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Loqi PBWorks is a wiki content-hosting silo that was originally called "PBWiki" https://indiewebcamp.com/PBWorks
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