#indiewebcamp 2014-12-12

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ben_thatmust I don't see that as so much of an issue, when you pull the mention to see if its a like or just mention, you can see if there is a u-tag-of your site
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KartikPrabhu tantek: i haven't seen any but wouldn't be hard to do. You use your JS code to pull in from webmention.io and then run marginalia.js after it. The trouble is I don't think that webmention.io does fragmentioned webmentions
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tantek ah - that's the issue to file then
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KartikPrabhu yeah. your webmention receiver has to recognise and save the fragmention for any of this to work
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KartikPrabhu then when you pull it in through JS embed add the data-fragmention bit and run marginalia
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KartikPrabhu maybe I should rewrite marginalia so that other JS codes can use some parts of it instead of running the whole thing
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KartikPrabhu that way one could put marginalia in place while it is being retrieved by some other JS code
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tantek that would be even better yes!
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tantek and there are two webmention proxies now right? webmention.io and that other run by ?
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bret voxpelli
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KartikPrabhu yeah that one :P
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tantek yeah
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bret https://webmention.herokuapp.com/
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KartikPrabhu any JS expert know the best way to make a function that other JS codes can call?
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bret KartikPrabhu: from the same page?
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KartikPrabhu yeah. but independent libraries so to speak
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bret browserify is pretty cool. it brings the var module = require('module') to front end
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KartikPrabhu like if you wrote a code that pulls webmntions from webmention.io and want to use marginalia to display it. How would I give you access to the 3 functions in marginalia?
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bret depends how you are getting the data off of webmention.io. my perpetually not working implementation gets data off via jsonp
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bret it would be better to use CORS and XMLHttpRequest();
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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bret and then var marginalia = require(
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bret 'marginalia');
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bret and then just bundle that up and load it with the page
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bret im not sure how marginalia.js works though I'll have to look
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bret KartikPrabhu: https://github.com/substack/browserify-handbook is a good resource if you want to get started doing modular front end JS
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KartikPrabhu will look. thanks
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bret RE: How would I give you access to the 3 functions in marginalia? you would just do exports.add_marginalia, exports.toggle_marginalia etc
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bret and when you var marginalia = require('marginalia') you would then have access to marginalia.toggle_marginalia, marginalia.add_marginalia etc
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kylewm bret: out of curiosity, why would CORS/XMLHttpRequest be better?
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bret error handling
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kylewm (second that browserify is great)
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bret jsonp has no error handling... easily
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bret and if you make a jsonp request for data of a url with no WMs, you get a 404 when loading the jsonp resource
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bret at least how webmention.io is written
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kylewm ah ha
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bret KartikPrabhu: i can try and take a pass at marginalia to see if I can make it an npm module
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bret or loadable like that... you can publish if you want
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KartikPrabhu bret: I have a few changes in mind, that i want to attempt. But you are free to fork it any time
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KartikPrabhu the thing is I want to keep it vanilla as possinble
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bret it would likely just be the addition of a couple export functions and a package.json
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KartikPrabhu true. but still why use Node for doing some simple JS stuff
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KartikPrabhu also I don't knwo what Node is/does
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bret its only tool written in node
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bret the idea is to write smaller single purpose modules with an actual module loading system (like in python or ruby) rather giant do everything libraries like jquery, that expose themselves as global window variables
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bret more on that: https://github.com/substack/browserify-handbook#module-philosophy and http://maxogden.com/node-packaged-modules.html
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bret npm is basically like pip for js
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bret browserify adds the export and require functionality to front end js modules
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bret (wheras node has them built in to the runtime)
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bret (i just happened to spend the last couple of weeks reading about it and am super excited about it ^_^)
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@technoclave Oh, right. this is an implementation of #indieweb http://atomickiva.net/2014/oh-right-this-is-an-implementation-of-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/543208437035724801)
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Loqi [mention] http://atomickiva.net/2014/exit linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Principles (webmention)
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simonv3 Yeah browserify is pretty great
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colintedford.com edited /Twitter (+0) "Moved TOC farther up." (view diff)
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colintedford Oh wow, I just noticed a bunch of links on my user page are wrong because I didn't realize capitalization mattered.
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colintedford I only noticed because I was trying out different themes (which I just learned I could do).
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colintedford The default theme doesn't distinguish links to nonexistent pages so I'd had no idea.
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colintedford (^ aaronpk I guess)
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+26) "/* Colin Tedford */ Fixed links, moved Webcomic mention to "Former"" (view diff)
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kylewm colintedford: that would be a good feature request for the wiki (differentiate links to not-yet-created pages) ... want to file it here https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues
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kylewm ?
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colintedford kylewm: Thanks, I forgot that was there. Now I just gotta sign up for github...
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colintedford Filed.
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+101) "/* Done */ Added rel="me" to current theme" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+34) "/* Wants */ static site generator candidates" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (-5) "/* Wants */ not sure how fragment links work in Mediawiki" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu dbs suck!
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KartikPrabhu one false move migrating them and all is stuck
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gRegor` colintedford: This page should have an option under Advanced to format broken links differently: http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Preferences
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gRegor` Bummer, KartikPrabhu :/ any data loss?
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: yeah sort of but it is not a live public site yet so...
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KartikPrabhu it is just so annoying
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gRegor` What happened?
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KartikPrabhu well I changed some fields and the db migration croaked. then I fixed it but the migration code does not know about the fix so now my dbs lost the original field and don't have the new one
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colintedford gRegor`: Huh, that setting is set correctly but seems not to work for me on the default IWC theme.
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gRegor` colintedford: I think when it's unchecked it puts a question mark after broken links. Does that work? It's possible the themes are just broken.
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: i think it is the themes. a broken link also shows up in blue in my expereince
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colintedford gRegor`: Yeah, I "jiggled the handle" (unchecked, saved; checked again, saved). Neither changes the link appearance.
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colintedford The Simple theme works, but IWC & Teahouse don't.
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gRegor` There's still several JS errors with the theme, so I'm guessing it's in there.
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colintedford IWC looks like it has formatting set but it doesn't get applied. Teahouse seems not to have separate formatting for broken links.
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colintedford Sorry to hear about the db, KartikPrabhu.
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KartikPrabhu colintedford: yeah horrible and frustrating. which is why I want to move my own site to a file-based storage ASAP. but that is going to take some dedicated coding
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KartikPrabhu maybe at some point in the future I can have a system that others can use. I did see your call for a file-based static site
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colintedford KartikPrabhu: I hear that.
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colintedford That would be pretty cool!
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KartikPrabhu as a non-expert dealing with DBs is so counter-productive
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colintedford Yeah, I got kind of excited about them for a bit, then bit off more than I could chew w/ my first project.
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KartikPrabhu yeah I am at the point of being overwhelmed by all the commad-line accuracy needed
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KartikPrabhu I just want to move folders around damnit
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colintedford Seriously!
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KartikPrabhu as a recent example I lost my local version of my site. I could retrieve all the code and even the git commits but not the DBs
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colintedford I feel like anything I do to a DB could break it
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KartikPrabhu yup
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colintedford Ugh, crappy
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Loqi lolz
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KartikPrabhu haha Loqi agrees
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KartikPrabhu Loqi++ :D
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Loqi Loqi has 322 karma
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colintedford Loqi's laughing with you
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Loqi :)
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colintedford Or maybe for you
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KartikPrabhu I'll take it as a "I know dude" laugh even though Loqi might use a DB for chat logs I dunno
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colintedford I'm definitely glad I don't have one built into me.
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tantek that TOC change on /Twitter screwed up the top of the page quite a bit
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tantek colintedford: I'm going to revert that change until we figure out a better way to move the TOC higher up
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+0) "Undo revision 15978 by [[Special:Contributions/Colintedford.com|Colintedford.com]] ([[User talk:Colintedford.com|talk]])" (view diff)
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colintedford tantek: OK.
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+0) "move TOC a bit up, just below first section of features" (view diff)
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tantek colintedford: how's that? http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter
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tantek KartikPrabhu: ugh - sorry to hear that about the local db dataloss :( if there's some way you can write up a warning about what you did, perhaps we can help prevent it from happening to others
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colintedford tantek: Looks decent to me.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes. I was planning to write it up when I get my file-based system up but that seems to be a long way in the future. Maybe a preemptive post about "why" I am swichting to file-system.... so much to write and no local site to test it
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tantek KartikPrabhu: braindumping a few notes on the wiki would be fine too - perhaps on the page related to the specific db you were using
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KartikPrabhu yes possibly. will get to it soon. too much stuff to do this week
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michielbdejong.com edited /JavaScript (+575) "/* Sites break without Javascript */ explain why this is relevant" (view diff)
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michielbdejong1 !tell tantek Hi! I expanded your edit about javascript breakage, let me know if you disagree with my edit
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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KartikPrabhu michielbdejong1: you missed an important situation: when your javascript fails e.e.g a misplaced smeicolon is enough to cause trouble
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michielbdejong1 KartikPrabhu: that's no different from a misplaced tag in your html?
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michielbdejong1 I don't think that's a valid criticism of javascript as such.
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KartikPrabhu it is. a misplaced tag still "evaluates" the rest of the HTML, but a javascript error just stopd the code cold
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michielbdejong1 But you would immediately see that, right?
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michielbdejong1 Also, that's assuming you're writing your own javascript, most people would typically use a CMS?
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KartikPrabhu the problem is exactly trusting others JS. I can trust the browser to render faulty HTML written by others (like templates) but not faulty JS because it just stops
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michielbdejong1 I guess you could say that a criticism of javascript could be that it's hard to write code that works (harder than writing html code that works)
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michielbdejong1 So if you feel that is a relevant criticism of javascript as a technology, then you should add that as a second criticism. I just edited the "Sites break without Javascript" point.
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KartikPrabhu yes. HTML has a safe fallback in case or errors, but JS does not ( which is good for programming ) but not good enough to rely on it
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michielbdejong1 do you know if anybody already wrote this criticism of javascript being hard to get right, somewhere?
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KartikPrabhu michielbdejong1: sure. I'll add that sometime. not to say your points are not valid :)
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michielbdejong1 i guess as a wiki, you should not add original research
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KartikPrabhu I am sure adactio has somewhere
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KartikPrabhu on his site
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michielbdejong1 if not, you can blog about on your own site
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KartikPrabhu and other progressive enhancement people
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michielbdejong1 then you can link to it from the wiki and it will not be original research :)
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KartikPrabhu yup
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KartikPrabhu again not disputing anything you wrote. I agree with those, but "no one has their JS turned off" and "Google now render JS" has been used as an argument against progressive enhancement before. Just on the indiewebcamp wiki
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colintedford "No original research" is a Wikipedia thing because they're an encyclopedia, not a general wiki thing.
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KartikPrabhu colintedford: still a good practice. and I can not disagree being a scientist
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colintedford Yeah, supporting evidence / citations are always good.
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KartikPrabhu are always important I would say. So michielbdejong1 was right to call me out on that
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KartikPrabhu just that I can't produce the citations right now :)
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colintedford Sure :)
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michielbdejong1 i found one, via https://indiewebcamp.com/antipatterns - see: http://htmlcssjavascript.com/web/youre-so-smart-you-turned-javascript-into-xhtml/
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michielbdejong1 also: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.de/2014/10/updating-our-technical-webmaster.html says my point about crawlers is not totally accurate, will update
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KartikPrabhu michielbdejong1: exactly the reference I would have cited :)
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KartikPrabhu michielbdejong1: yes Google now parses JS
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michielbdejong1 ok, i'll do the edit as i'm there now.
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KartikPrabhu but again one misplaced semicolon and the rest of your JS fails
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KartikPrabhu michielbdejong1: just to get this straight. we are not disagreeing just the degree of agreement :) you seem to be in a bteer timezone to find citations and also spell :P
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michielbdejong1 :) yes, I'll try to put the arguments there with their citations, in the right order.
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KartikPrabhu thanks michielbdejong1
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KartikPrabhu michielbdejong++ for being scientific and adding citations
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michielbdejong.com edited /JavaScript (+563) "/* Criticism */" (view diff)
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michielbdejong1 KartikPrabhu: hope I covered both points correctly there ^
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michielbdejong1 KartikPrabhu++ for bringing up the point about semicolon breakage
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KartikPrabhu michielbdejong1: the edits look fair enough nicely done
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michielbdejong1 i'll also add a 'praise' section
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michielbdejong1 saying unlike flash, javascript is an open technology
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KartikPrabhu yes a good point.
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michielbdejong1 and it allows for unhosted web apps, firefox os, etc.
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michielbdejong1 the web as a software platform
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KartikPrabhu also note that the error handling extends to dependencies. so if you have a JS that depends on JS that depends on JS, the some error in the last one might cause the whole chain to fail
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@xtof_fr @thierrymarianne : dimanche workshop #known #indiewebcamp á #openchateau si ça te dit ? http://www.indieweb.camp/2014/thierrymarianne-dimanche-workshop-known-indiewebcamp-openchateau-si-a-te-dit (twitter.com/_/status/543363848565436417)
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xtof Hi indieweb campers.
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xtof If you’re near Paris, currently searching help for an #indieweb workshop during our #OpenChateau gathering http://openchateau.org/
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elf-pavlik xtof ^ ?
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xtof elf : bonjour ^ : you’re joining openchateau isn’t it ?
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elf-pavlik hi xtof, yes i still look at a way to get there from paris
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xtof elf-pavlik: think I’ll join tomorrow morning by train from Montparnasse
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elf-pavlik do you know if people tend to check tickets often here? which doesn't matter that much since i can always hitchhike the rest of the trip if get kick out of the train :D
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xtof elf-pavlik: no problem. Let’s go together if you’re free tonite. Awating an opportunity of dinner tonite + co-voiturage tomorrow morning ?
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elf-pavlik sounds good! i have call with Lloyd from Social IG Vocabulary TF at 7PM to discuss describing *skills* in online profiles, maybe we could meet sometimes after 8PM?
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xtof elf-pavlik : great. could you come at home ? And we’ll improvise. I’m awating news from a friend hitchiking from Germany…
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Loqi [mention] http://www.indieweb.camp/2014/thierrymarianne-dimanche-workshop-known-indiewebcamp-openchateau-si-a-te-dit linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-14-openchateau (webmention)
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@thierrymarianne #IndieWeb Workshop at Millemont http://indieweb.camp/s/5bv1M via http:/// + https://www.facebook.com/events/745508735516877/ cc: @call_for_team @xtof_fr (twitter.com/_/status/543406100197163008)
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@xtof_fr #indieweb builders & creators : feel free to join us next sunday @openchateau ! > http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-14-openchateau#RSVP cc @thierrymarianne (twitter.com/_/status/543410104641413121)
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Loqi [mention] http://xtof.withknown.com/2014/indieweb-builders-creators-feel-free-to-join-us-next-sunday linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-14-openchateau#RSVP (webmention)
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@thierrymarianne RT @xtof_fr: #indieweb builders & creators : feel free to join us next sunday @openchateau ! > http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-14-openchateau#RSVP cc @thierrymarianne (twitter.com/_/status/543411221182283776)
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Loqi [mention] http://haverholm.com/2014/12/12/lets-see-if-i-broke-the-site-now/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/xtof_fr/543410104641413121/15123426 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-14-openchateau#RSVP (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/xtof_fr/543410104641413121/543411221182283776 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-14-openchateau#RSVP (webmention)
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@LeedsBeckettCLT Thanks to @benwerd from @withknown for coming to chat through some of his work on the #indieweb so many ideas & questions generated. (twitter.com/_/status/543425597637414912)
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GWG Anyone have a really good explanation of IPV6 addressing? I have always been confused by it. Thinking of adding it.
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, i had found one somewhere, hold on i'll see if i can dig it up
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ben_thatmustbeme its broke, I believe this was where i was reading on it... http://chrisgrundemann.com/index.php/2012/introducing-ipv6-understanding-ipv6-addresses/
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe it will be back soon
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GWG The wiki lacks a list of which indiewebcamp people use IPV6.
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GWG Hi, ben_thatmustbeme, by the way
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ben_thatmustbeme i think thats because no one really pays attention to the IP underneath, only URLs
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GWG We have a page for SSL though
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ben_thatmustbeme that effects presentation layer
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ben_thatmustbeme ipv4 or ipv6 does not
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ben_thatmustbeme s/presentation layer/presentation/
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ben_thatmustbeme not to confuse that with network stack
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GWG Point taken.
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ben_thatmustbeme it would be good to make sure tools out there support ipv6 though
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ben_thatmustbeme like bridgy and indieauth
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GWG I just would be interested in seeing what traffic would show up
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GWG If I had the site supporting IPV6, what would be in the logs?
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ben_thatmustbeme as to your question, IPV6 is just like IPV4 only you use sets of 4 hex values and you have 8 sets (i think)
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ben_thatmustbeme swap '.' for ':' and then remove any leading zeros from sets
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GWG I just, seem to have trouble conceptualizing it
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ben_thatmustbeme so F013:0012:0001 => F013:12:1
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ben_thatmustbeme and then if there are whole sets of 0000 together you can just skip the whole series with '::'
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ben_thatmustbeme but obviously you can only do that in one spot
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GWG I wonder if that would solve my SSL problem.
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ben_thatmustbeme so F013:0000:0001:0000:0000:0000:0000:00A3 => F013:0:1::A3
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GWG As an alternative to SNI
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ben_thatmustbeme i suppose it could, as that is a different IP address and you can make your site the default host for that IP
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GWG Does indieauth support it?
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ben_thatmustbeme i'd imagine the software does, just a question if the host does
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ben_thatmustbeme may be worth testing out
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gRegor` Happy Friday, indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme frappy hiday gRegor`
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@Pixatonic Officine Aurora! http://www.lastampa.it/2006/04/03/blogs/indieweb/carne-musica-cruda-per-officine-aurora-FfW7qluREFolmZ79vn8aNP/pagina.html (twitter.com/_/status/543442751803891712)
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@gasull "On the Net today we face a choice between freedom and captivity, independence and dependence." http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/how-can-we-get-business-care-about-freedom-openness-and-interoperability #indieweb #IoT (twitter.com/_/status/543466607914536960)
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@kevinmarks “Everything is recoverable, ‘provided only that we preserve a sufficient amount of text.’” http://aeon.co/magazine/culture/can-egyptology-teach-us-to-future-proof-our-culture/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/543466893793701888)
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GWG snarfed++
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kylewm.com edited /JavaScript (+187) "/* Sites break without Javascript */ make discussion a bit more direct, add a 3rd reason for graceful degradation without JS" (view diff)
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kylewm snarfed: hey what do you think about that out-of-date BeautifulSoup github mirror? i'm thinking we could 1) ask them to update it, 2) make our own mirror, 3) use the launchpad.net repository directly
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snarfed kylewm: hey, yeah, i was about to reply
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snarfed i don't have a strong opinion
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snarfed looking again
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snarfed i'm open to the bzr submodule
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snarfed not ideal since it's another hurdle for contributors to get set up, but it's an option
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kylewm i'm leaning toward creating our own mirror, so that only the mirrorer has to have bazaar installed
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snarfed hmm maybe
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snarfed is there definitely no canonical git mirror for the official repo?
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kylewm there may be
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snarfed or even non-canonical but more up to date?
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snarfed i might look for those first
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kylewm there's not one more up to date on github, as far as i could tell
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kylewm some people just check in the source and drop version history
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kylewm those are more up to date
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snarfed ok]
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snarfed ideally we'd find an official git mirror
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snarfed otherwise i'm open to whatever
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@willowdower RT @kevinmarks: “Everything is recoverable, ‘provided only that we preserve a sufficient amount of text.’” http://aeon.co/magazine/culture/can-egyptology-teach-us-to-future-proof-our-culture/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/543469394882736128)
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@nitot Support these people! "One person starting IndieWeb today equals one person leaving Facebook tomorrow." https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indiehosters (twitter.com/_/status/543471124257202176)
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@BillSeitz RT @kevinmarks: “Everything is recoverable, ‘provided only that we preserve a sufficient amount of text.’” http://aeon.co/magazine/culture/can-egyptology-teach-us-to-future-proof-our-culture/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/543492970876792832)
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tantek.com edited /JavaScript (+28) "/* Sites break without Javascript */ see also antipatterns" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /JavaScript (+505) "/* Criticism */ More Fragile Than HTML" (view diff)
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kylewm tantek: re single-page-antipattern, where do you fall on sites that do client-side rendering but have normal-looking permalinks (like ember.js apps)?
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kylewm does anybody else have the problem where clicking on wiki links (like above) takes you to a logged out session?
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kylewm if i change it manually to https, then I'm logged in again
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colintedford kylewm: I don't seem to have that problem.
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@TheRealDod Do #indiewebcamp and #fourtwenty intersect?ØŸ #webmention https://zzzen.com/420/ @ XX:17-XX:23 for a funky timestamp https://twitter.com/TheRealDod/status/543499670673031169/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/543499670673031169)
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snarfed kylewm: i see the same thing
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kylewm.com edited /antipatterns (+144) "note that Ember.js supports real permalinks in "single page apps"" (view diff)
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kylewm snarfed: is that likely to be a MediaWiki-IndieAuth bug, or by design can http sites not read https session cookies?
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kylewm filed one way or another, https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/17
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snarfed kylewm: thanks! no clue
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snarfed yeah, the wiki's cookies may be https only. some related info on http://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS , search for 'cookie'
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colintedford.com edited /User:Colintedford.com (+10) "/* Wants */ adjust link" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /database-antipattern (+34) "/* Does a dynamic site need a databases */ link "static hosting" to section on "web hosting"" (view diff)
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colintedford.com edited /database-antipattern (-5) "/* Database with export */ typo" (view diff)
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