#indiewebcamp 2014-12-16

2014-12-16 UTC
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aaronpk
!tell snarfed it occurs to me now that showing just the name of the person in the webmention.io notifications is not particularly useful. I kind of want to change it to show the person's URL instead.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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indie-visitor
hey guys
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indie-visitor
so
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franga
i was wondering
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franga
maybe one of you will know
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franga
i am looking for this indie band
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franga
it's 2 black guys
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franga
i think they are brothers
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aaronpk
franga: this channel is for http://indiewebcamp.com/ which is probably not what you are looking for
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franga
lol
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franga
fuck
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Loqi
hehe
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@t
Happy 11 Years of XFN! As predicted last year http://tantek.com/2013/349/b1/xfn-10th-anniversary #indieweb readers now here https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (ttk.me t4Ze2)
(twitter.com/_/status/544725910533206016)
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colintedford.com
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tantek
good catch colintedford!
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colintedford.com
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kylewm
hmm, interesting bridgy bug(?). i think it sent an webmention when someone was invited to an event, but didn't send another one when the person accepted or declined
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kylewm
filed an issue if anyone is curious https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/321
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KartikPrabhu
getting Error: Unauthorized HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized on bridgy publish! previous attempt was a 403!
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@voxpelli
RT @t: Happy 11 Years of XFN! As predicted last year http://tantek.com/2013/349/b1/xfn-10th-anniversary #indieweb readers now here https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (ttk.me t4Ze2)
(twitter.com/_/status/544755399581503488)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Pelle Wessman favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (https://twitter.com/t/status/544725910533206016)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: Happy 11 Years of XFN! As predicted last year http://tantek.com/2013/349/b1/xfn-10th-anniversary #indieweb readers now here https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (ttk.me t4Ze2)
(twitter.com/_/status/544757552211169281)
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@kartik_prabhu
launched “original-of” yesterday on site. Find original post from Twitter/G+ or any syndicated url using https://kartikprabhu.com/original-of/ #indieweb
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Loqi
[bridgy] Thomas Gideon favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (https://twitter.com/t/status/544725910533206016)
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GWG
!tell snarfed Yes, it does. It is all manual.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
huh huffduffer didn't pull in my rel=me links
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ben_thatmustbeme
wonder if it doesn't like the nofollow bit of them
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kylewm
!tell snarfed could you push your latest oauth_dropins to github? a-u is pointing to a missing rev. thanks!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed
kylewm: oops, sorry, done!
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Loqi
snarfed: aaronpk left you a message on 12/15 at 6:12pm: it occurs to me now that showing just the name of the person in the webmention.io notifications is not particularly useful. I kind of want to change it to show the person's URL instead.
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Loqi
snarfed: GWG left you a message 3 hours, 5 minutes ago: Yes, it does. It is all manual.
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Loqi
snarfed: kylewm left you a message 1 hour, 10 minutes ago: could you push your latest oauth_dropins to github? a-u is pointing to a missing rev. thanks!
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GWG
snarfed: Bridgy isn't in, but it is built for manual POSSE. A Brid.gy publish function is in the code, but not fully built.
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snarfed
GWG: thanks!
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snarfed
aaronpk: yeah, i get that…but the author's domain is already in the notif, in the link to the original post. maybe distinguish based on source? domain for native mentions, username for twitter, full name for FB, etc?
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GWG
snarfed: I'm expecting to see you filing issues with me instead of the other way round for once.
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snarfed
GWG: lol maybe!
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GWG
snarfed: I'm calling it... 'motivation'
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snarfed
especially if bridgy publish support gets finished
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GWG
Although I had to take a side detour into this
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davidjohnmead.com
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GWG
I'm kludging together a quick solution to my caching problem
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kylewm
snarfed: i started trying to figure out why KartikPrabhu was getting 401's from bridgy publish last night ... verified that he has read-write permissions, not sure what else to check :/
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snarfed
yeah, hmm. i don't think twitter has a "debug access token" tool like FB…? would be nice to check his token
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snarfed
!tell KartikPrabhu ugh, sorry for the trouble. try disabling and re-enabling your account on bridgy?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm
yeah I think the only way to check permissions is to actually issue an authed request and check the response headers
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@freshkiddi
Let your data be your guide! http://t.co/NWcjycGK8b… @MyPersona #MyPersona #OwnYourData"
(twitter.com/_/status/544894788831838209)
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gRegor`
And try not re-signing up for Bridgy every visit, like I was doing for a while :)
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snarfed
that part of bridgy's UX, where you don't actually log in, so it doesn't know who you are when you visit, has always been a wart
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snarfed
one i stubbornly refuse to fix :|
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gRegor`
Cause the best code to write is no code. Or however that goes. :)
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snarfed
heh. exactly!
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kylewm
snarfed: can you push webutil too? O:)
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snarfed
hah yes, sorry
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snarfed
this is where i give the lame excuse that git push --recurse-submodules=yes (and =on-demand) only go one level deep, and i don't know why
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kylewm
hehe, funny definition of recurse
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snarfed
kylewm: which one are you looking at?
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kylewm
snarfed: oh still poking at the outdated beautifulsoup issue ... where unicode characters in a short document caused an exception
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snarfed
thanks!!!
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snarfed
feel free to self-assign (in general) so we don't collide
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snarfed
i've been slacking on that too, but i'll try to now too
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kylewm
will do :)
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tantek
Reminder: tomorrow night's Homebrew Website Club is the last one of the year!
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tantek.com
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GWG
Tantek, my heart will be there, but my body won't
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tantek
GWG - and maybe your IRC presence?
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GWG
Alas, working.
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GWG
Might lurk through
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tantek
any year-end goals you'd like to share?
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GWG
I need to rewrite them.
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tantek
that's a good goal for today!
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GWG
Finish cache invalidation plugin so Bridgy will see my syndication links. But I should get thst fixed by Thursday.
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GWG
When I moved servers, I broke the old one.
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GWG
I went from CentOS 6.5 to 7.A few packages got a version bump.
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tantek
What is CentOS?
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GWG
Improving it was on my to do list anyway
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "CentOS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=CentOS
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GWG
I need to look at Peter Molnar's code.
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GWG
He writes a cache plugin.
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
GWG - I'm going to take a few days off in the last two weeks of the year to try to get Reposts and Likes working on my site - so I can post them there instead of in Twitter.
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GWG
Tantek... Go you.
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tantek
trying to reduce my dependence on Twitter's web UI even further
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tantek
Twitter's UI period
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GWG
Someday, I will join you in that, Tantek.
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benwerd
Good morning Pacific Timers
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message on 11/20 at 11:59am: can you put the Known meetup at Mozilla Paris on the /Events page? Thanks!
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message on 11/24 at 1:26pm: I'll be in PDX for 2014-12-03 HWC - are you available to host Homebrew Website Club SF 12/3? Pick a location and add to wiki? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-03-homebrew-website-club#Where Thanks!
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 2 weeks, 4 days ago: is there a black friday special on Known Pro? ;)
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benwerd
winces
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message on 12/15 at 10:55am: are there instructions somewhere on how to upgrade a Known install? nothing on the official docs. Perhaps you could add a brief "Upgrade" subsection in https://indiewebcamp.com/Known#How_to even if it's just a single command or two ? cc: realjxn1. Thanks!
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werd.io
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werd.io
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benwerd
davidmead: hi :)
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benwerd
Hello from Mozilla Paris.
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davidmead
nice. you finished the grand tour of the UK then
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benwerd
Not yet; headed back tomorrow night
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benwerd
I fly back out next Tuesday.
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benwerd
Although I'll be based in Oxford for the remainder - no more touring. (I'm staying for a friend's wedding.)
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aaronpk
snarfed: maybe yeah. mostly the cases it's bneen a problem is on twitter, where the name may have nothing to do with the twitter username, and is sometimes even a joke name
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snarfed
aaronpk: agreed. twitter specifically (and maybe instagram) should switch to usernames
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tantek
darn I missed benwerd
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tantek
!tell realjxn1 benwerd updated https://indiewebcamp.com/Known#Upgrade does that help?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
heads-up - W3C Social Web WG f2f is is in MIT, Cambridge, MA 2015-03-17..18
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@dissolve333
Happy Birthday To Me. Now back to fixing the screwed-up code of a former co-workers. I want to be doing indieweb… (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/12/16/2/)
(twitter.com/_/status/544927465156530176)
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: whoa hey happy birthday
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: would you be around for an IndieWebCamp Cambrdige in March either before or after W3C Social Web WG f2f is is in MIT, Cambridge, MA 2015-03-17..18 ?
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tantek
rascul: you too ^^^
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ben_thatmustbeme
I think i could certainly work that out
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tantek
do you have a preference? before or after?
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tantek
after works better for me
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snarfed
GWG: just fyi your webmention endpoint is 500ing, https://www.brid.gy/facebook/100002356503167#responses
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats a tuesday-wednesday
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ben_thatmustbeme
so you mean like that following weekend or like thursday-friday?
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tantek
ideally Thursday Friday
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ben_thatmustbeme
*puts in in his calendar*
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ben_thatmustbeme
as tentative
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tantek
anybody else for an IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015-03-19..20?
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ben_thatmustbeme
passes the word to other techies he has been trying to pull in to the group
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@loicmathaud
@withknown have a nice evening :) I'll be talking about the indieweb too on thursday (3h by train from Paris) and I'll tell about you
(twitter.com/_/status/544933108475523073)
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@thierrymarianne
@nitot talks about societal & personal risks related to silos, socnets, smartphones at @MozillaParis #decentralization #IndieWeb
(twitter.com/_/status/544933548093100032)
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tantek
realjxn are you the same as realjxn1?
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realjxn
I am indeed
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tantek
benwerd updated https://indiewebcamp.com/Known#Upgrade does that help?
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@thierrymarianne
@nitot talks about societal & personal risks related to silos, socnets, smartphones at @MozillaParis #decentralization #IndieWeb
(twitter.com/_/status/544933892575481857)
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realjxn
Thanks, tantek
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realjxn
I think there's a db portion missing
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tantek
I believe the implication is that the db schema has not changed yet
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tantek
that you can "just" update the source files in place
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realjxn
I upgraded by copying all the files over recursively, and also found a random sql file with a date on it that wasn't in the old repo, so I applied that
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realjxn
The schema did change from 4.3 -> 4.5 it seemed
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tantek
from what version were you upgrading?
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bear.im
created /jade (+123) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''<dfn>Jade</dfn>''' is a [http://jade-lang.com/ template engine for NodeJS]. == See Also == * [[stylus]] * . . .""
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realjxn
er, .43, I guess
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realjxn
0.6.3 -> 0.6.5
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Loqi
!calc 0.6.3 -> 0.6.5
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realjxn
sorry, I tried to do it from memory, and I deal with a lot of software versions over the course of a few days
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bear.im
created /stylus (+144) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''<dfn>Stylus</dfn>''' is a [https://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ CSS template language for NodeJS]. == See Also == * [[jade]] * . . .""
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tantek
realjxn: was the first version idno and the second Known?
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tantek
I thought Known had not changed schema - or was backward compat with old schema if any
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realjxn
I downloaded both tar files straight from the homepage of withknown.com
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realjxn
So, they were both known, AFAIK
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@loicmathaud
@withknown whenever you want, it will be a pleasure. you can reach me on #indiewebcamp IRC chan : loic_m
(twitter.com/_/status/544935649036754944)
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realjxn
In schemas/mysql, only the 0.6.5 has the file 2014100801.sql, so I applied that
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realjxn
kind of confusing, though. It'd seem to me that it'd be organized like this:
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realjxn
...
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realjxn
just so it's clear which release an update is associated with
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realjxn
FWIW, the schema change was the addition of a 'reader' table
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bear.im
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kylewm
'reader' table, foreshadow of things to come hopefully!
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tantek
hey that's exciting
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jxn.is
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@withknown
RT @thierrymarianne: @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis
(twitter.com/_/status/544941342439505920)
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tantek
realjxn: thanks for the update! go ahead and add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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ben_thatmustbeme
I may have one or two other people able to come to IWC Cambridge that date.
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tantek
cool!
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ben_thatmustbeme
would be new memebers too
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tantek.com
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@IndieHosters
RT @thierrymarianne: @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis
(twitter.com/_/status/544942594359578624)
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ben_thatmustbeme
ahhh, huffduffer is adactio's doing
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tantek
indeed
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tantek
what is huffduffer?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "huffduffer" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=huffduffer
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell adactio, any chance you can look in to why huffduffer isn't pulling in my "Elsewhere Links" from ben.thatmustbe.me
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
ugh, i did it again
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ben_thatmustbeme
i always put the comma
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@gelnior
RT @thierrymarianne: @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis
(twitter.com/_/status/544943359677444098)
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tantek
!tell aaronpk tell Loqi to forget messages to any
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
to any?
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 14 seconds ago: tell Loqi to forget messages to any
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tantek
yes - see above where ben_thatmustbeme left a message for adactio,any
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aaronpk
oh haha
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gRegor`
HWC tomorrow? Where has the last two weeks gone? Dang.
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tantek
FYI: the W3C Social Web WG f2f page and participation is up: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-17#Participation
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tantek
(for next year's March MIT meeting)
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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KartikPrabhu
playback Loqi
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: snarfed left you a message 4 hours, 15 minutes ago: ugh, sorry for the trouble. try disabling and re-enabling your account on bridgy?
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tantek
AKA did you try turning it off and on? lol
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aaronpk
bret: I wonder if there is some way you can use your youtube-dl thing along with huffduffer since they already did all the work of making the podcast feed and account thingy. maybe just a way to turn a youtube video into a web page that huffduffer can read and add?
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snarfed
aaronpk++ good idea
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Loqi
aaronpk has 630 karma
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rascul
tantek march sounds good to me
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tantek
great!
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tantek.com
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: you too!
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rascul.io
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snarfed
!tell bret looks like it might be half done already. e.g. https://charlesleifer.com/blog/a-flask-front-end-and-chrome-extension-for-youtube-dl/ among others
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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rascul.io
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rascul
got me one of them kimsufi boxes yesterday :) will be migrating stuff over as time permits
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@joelvim_
I wonder why I didn't hear about the #indieweb movement sooner. Really interesting principles. https://indiewebcamp.com
(twitter.com/_/status/544979035256664064)
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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AnnBassetti
yo, IndieWeb folks
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AnnBassetti
showing your IRC channel to a colleague
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gRegor`
Hi, AnnBassetti
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AnnBassetti
lots o' peeps here
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gRegor`
Yep. Quite a few idle, though.
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AnnBassetti
Tantek suggested this might be a good place to ask questions
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AnnBassetti
guess I'll go look at some logs to see what goes on
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gRegor`
Oh, it is definitely a good place to ask questions.
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@MyCozyCloud
RT @thierrymarianne: @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis
(twitter.com/_/status/544982049019293696)
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gRegor`
I just meant not everyone in the list is actively chatting.
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gRegor`
Did you have any questions, AnnBassetti?
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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gRegor`
snarfed KartikPrabhu: that suggestion reminded me of http://youtu.be/nn2FB1P_Mn8?t=11s
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KartikPrabhu
AnnBassetti: welcome! this is a good place to get started https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started also named appropriately!
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KartikPrabhu
gRegor`: lol... I will try that next time I use bridgy publish :P
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snarfed
actually KartikPrabhu it looks like your 40x errors may have been transient
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KartikPrabhu
oh... Twitter API hiccup?
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snarfed
there were a few in a window of just a couple minutes, but then maybe 30m after that one succeeded: https://www.brid.gy/twitter/kartik_prabhu#publishes
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snarfed
yeah likely
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AnnBassetti
thanks for that Getting Started ref
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KartikPrabhu
oh hmm weird! I totally forgot about that! too late in the night/early in the morning :P
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@Covata
@Covata Blog Post - Defending Against Online Password Guessing Attacks Without CAPTCHAS #datasecurity #ownyourdata https://www.covata.com/blog/defending-password-attacks-without-captchas/
(twitter.com/_/status/544990597153443840)
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@pierreozoux
RT @thierrymarianne: @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis
(twitter.com/_/status/544999626143977474)
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