#indiewebcamp 2014-12-16

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aaronpk !tell snarfed it occurs to me now that showing just the name of the person in the webmention.io notifications is not particularly useful. I kind of want to change it to show the person's URL instead.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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indie-visitor hey guys
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indie-visitor so
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franga i was wondering
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franga maybe one of you will know
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KevinMarks_ hi
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franga i am looking for this indie band
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franga it's 2 black guys
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franga i think they are brothers
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aaronpk franga: this channel is for http://indiewebcamp.com/ which is probably not what you are looking for
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franga lol
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franga fuck
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Loqi hehe
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@t Happy 11 Years of XFN! As predicted last year http://tantek.com/2013/349/b1/xfn-10th-anniversary #indieweb readers now here https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (ttk.me t4Ze2) (twitter.com/_/status/544725910533206016)
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tantek good catch colintedford!
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colintedford.com edited /file-storage (+5) "/* Flat file "CMS" systems in the wild */ fixed Grav link" (view diff)
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kylewm hmm, interesting bridgy bug(?). i think it sent an webmention when someone was invited to an event, but didn't send another one when the person accepted or declined
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kylewm e.g. https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/12802152/736605033092500/100000195497578
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Loqi [bridgy] Akshay Jagtiani RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club (https://facebook.com/736605033092500#100000016698667)
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kylewm filed an issue if anyone is curious https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/321
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KartikPrabhu getting Error: Unauthorized HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized on bridgy publish! previous attempt was a 403!
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@voxpelli RT @t: Happy 11 Years of XFN! As predicted last year http://tantek.com/2013/349/b1/xfn-10th-anniversary #indieweb readers now here https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (ttk.me t4Ze2) (twitter.com/_/status/544755399581503488)
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Loqi [bridgy] Pelle Wessman favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (https://twitter.com/t/status/544725910533206016)
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@kevinmarks RT @t: Happy 11 Years of XFN! As predicted last year http://tantek.com/2013/349/b1/xfn-10th-anniversary #indieweb readers now here https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (ttk.me t4Ze2) (twitter.com/_/status/544757552211169281)
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Loqi [bridgy] Pelle Wessman retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (https://twitter.com/voxpelli/status/544755399581503488)
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@kartik_prabhu launched “original-of” yesterday on site. Find original post from Twitter/G+ or any syndicated url using https://kartikprabhu.com/original-of/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/544759019244511232)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/544757552211169281)
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Loqi [bridgy] Thomas Gideon favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/reader (https://twitter.com/t/status/544725910533206016)
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GWG !tell snarfed Yes, it does. It is all manual.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme huh huffduffer didn't pull in my rel=me links
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ben_thatmustbeme wonder if it doesn't like the nofollow bit of them
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kylewm !tell snarfed could you push your latest oauth_dropins to github? a-u is pointing to a missing rev. thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed kylewm: oops, sorry, done!
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Loqi snarfed: aaronpk left you a message on 12/15 at 6:12pm: it occurs to me now that showing just the name of the person in the webmention.io notifications is not particularly useful. I kind of want to change it to show the person's URL instead.
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Loqi snarfed: GWG left you a message 3 hours, 5 minutes ago: Yes, it does. It is all manual.
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Loqi snarfed: kylewm left you a message 1 hour, 10 minutes ago: could you push your latest oauth_dropins to github? a-u is pointing to a missing rev. thanks!
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GWG snarfed: Bridgy isn't in, but it is built for manual POSSE. A Brid.gy publish function is in the code, but not fully built.
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snarfed GWG: thanks!
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snarfed aaronpk: yeah, i get that…but the author's domain is already in the notif, in the link to the original post. maybe distinguish based on source? domain for native mentions, username for twitter, full name for FB, etc?
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GWG snarfed: I'm expecting to see you filing issues with me instead of the other way round for once.
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snarfed GWG: lol maybe!
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Loqi [bridgy] Mitul Shrivastava RSVPed no to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club (https://facebook.com/736605033092500#1238370519)
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GWG snarfed: I'm calling it... 'motivation'
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snarfed especially if bridgy publish support gets finished
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GWG Although I had to take a side detour into this
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/nginx-cache-control
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davidjohnmead.com edited /Known (+43) "/* Transition from WordPress */" (view diff)
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GWG I'm kludging together a quick solution to my caching problem
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kylewm snarfed: i started trying to figure out why KartikPrabhu was getting 401's from bridgy publish last night ... verified that he has read-write permissions, not sure what else to check :/
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snarfed yeah, hmm. i don't think twitter has a "debug access token" tool like FB…? would be nice to check his token
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snarfed !tell KartikPrabhu ugh, sorry for the trouble. try disabling and re-enabling your account on bridgy?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm yeah I think the only way to check permissions is to actually issue an authed request and check the response headers
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@freshkiddi Let your data be your guide! http://t.co/NWcjycGK8b… @MyPersona #MyPersona #OwnYourData" (twitter.com/_/status/544894788831838209)
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gRegor` And try not re-signing up for Bridgy every visit, like I was doing for a while :)
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snarfed lol
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snarfed that part of bridgy's UX, where you don't actually log in, so it doesn't know who you are when you visit, has always been a wart
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snarfed one i stubbornly refuse to fix :|
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gRegor` Cause the best code to write is no code. Or however that goes. :)
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snarfed heh. exactly!
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kylewm snarfed: can you push webutil too? O:)
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snarfed hah yes, sorry
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snarfed done
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snarfed this is where i give the lame excuse that git push --recurse-submodules=yes (and =on-demand) only go one level deep, and i don't know why
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snarfed meh
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kylewm hehe, funny definition of recurse
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snarfed kylewm: which one are you looking at?
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kylewm snarfed: oh still poking at the outdated beautifulsoup issue ... where unicode characters in a short document caused an exception
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snarfed thanks!!!
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snarfed feel free to self-assign (in general) so we don't collide
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snarfed i've been slacking on that too, but i'll try to now too
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kylewm will do :)
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tantek Reminder: tomorrow night's Homebrew Website Club is the last one of the year!
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tantek RSVP: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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GWG Tantek, my heart will be there, but my body won't
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tantek GWG - and maybe your IRC presence?
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GWG Alas, working.
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GWG Might lurk through
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tantek any year-end goals you'd like to share?
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GWG I need to rewrite them.
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tantek that's a good goal for today!
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GWG Finish cache invalidation plugin so Bridgy will see my syndication links. But I should get thst fixed by Thursday.
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GWG When I moved servers, I broke the old one.
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tantek ouch
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GWG I went from CentOS 6.5 to 7.A few packages got a version bump.
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tantek What is CentOS?
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GWG Improving it was on my to do list anyway
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "CentOS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=CentOS
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GWG I need to look at Peter Molnar's code.
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GWG He writes a cache plugin.
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@grantpotter @bmann webmentions in effect http://known.networkeffects.ca/2014/wabkinew-and-biellacoleman-talk-hacker-hoaxer-whistleblower-spy-qblog20141216anonymous-gabriella-coleman#comments (twitter.com/_/status/544909714078056448)
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tantek GWG - I'm going to take a few days off in the last two weeks of the year to try to get Reposts and Likes working on my site - so I can post them there instead of in Twitter.
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GWG Tantek... Go you.
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tantek trying to reduce my dependence on Twitter's web UI even further
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tantek Twitter's UI period
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GWG Someday, I will join you in that, Tantek.
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benwerd Good morning Pacific Timers
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 11/20 at 11:59am: can you put the Known meetup at Mozilla Paris on the /Events page? Thanks!
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 11/24 at 1:26pm: I'll be in PDX for 2014-12-03 HWC - are you available to host Homebrew Website Club SF 12/3? Pick a location and add to wiki? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-12-03-homebrew-website-club#Where Thanks!
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 2 weeks, 4 days ago: is there a black friday special on Known Pro? ;)
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benwerd winces
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 12/15 at 10:55am: are there instructions somewhere on how to upgrade a Known install? nothing on the official docs. Perhaps you could add a brief "Upgrade" subsection in https://indiewebcamp.com/Known#How_to even if it's just a single command or two ? cc: realjxn1. Thanks!
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davidmead hi @benwerd :-)
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benwerd davidmead: hi :)
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benwerd Hello from Mozilla Paris.
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davidmead nice. you finished the grand tour of the UK then
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benwerd Not yet; headed back tomorrow night
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benwerd I fly back out next Tuesday.
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benwerd Although I'll be based in Oxford for the remainder - no more touring. (I'm staying for a friend's wedding.)
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aaronpk snarfed: maybe yeah. mostly the cases it's bneen a problem is on twitter, where the name may have nothing to do with the twitter username, and is sometimes even a joke name
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snarfed aaronpk: agreed. twitter specifically (and maybe instagram) should switch to usernames
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tantek darn I missed benwerd
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tantek !tell realjxn1 benwerd updated https://indiewebcamp.com/Known#Upgrade does that help?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek heads-up - W3C Social Web WG f2f is is in MIT, Cambridge, MA 2015-03-17..18
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@dissolve333 Happy Birthday To Me. Now back to fixing the screwed-up code of a former co-workers. I want to be doing indieweb… (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2014/12/16/2/) (twitter.com/_/status/544927465156530176)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: whoa hey happy birthday
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: would you be around for an IndieWebCamp Cambrdige in March either before or after W3C Social Web WG f2f is is in MIT, Cambridge, MA 2015-03-17..18 ?
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tantek rascul: you too ^^^
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ben_thatmustbeme I think i could certainly work that out
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tantek do you have a preference? before or after?
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ben_thatmustbeme either.
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tantek after works better for me
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snarfed GWG: just fyi your webmention endpoint is 500ing, https://www.brid.gy/facebook/100002356503167#responses
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ben_thatmustbeme thats a tuesday-wednesday
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ben_thatmustbeme so you mean like that following weekend or like thursday-friday?
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tantek ideally Thursday Friday
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ben_thatmustbeme *puts in in his calendar*
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ben_thatmustbeme as tentative
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tantek anybody else for an IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015-03-19..20?
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ben_thatmustbeme passes the word to other techies he has been trying to pull in to the group
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@loicmathaud @withknown have a nice evening :) I'll be talking about the indieweb too on thursday (3h by train from Paris) and I'll tell about you (twitter.com/_/status/544933108475523073)
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@thierrymarianne @nitot talks about societal & personal risks related to silos, socnets, smartphones at @MozillaParis #decentralization #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/544933548093100032)
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tantek realjxn are you the same as realjxn1?
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realjxn I am indeed
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tantek benwerd updated https://indiewebcamp.com/Known#Upgrade does that help?
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@loicmathaud @withknown It's a local meetup : http://webenvert.fr/ and we announced it on the indiewebcamp wiki (https://indiewebcamp.com/events) (twitter.com/_/status/544933858094120961)
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@thierrymarianne @nitot talks about societal & personal risks related to silos, socnets, smartphones at @MozillaParis #decentralization #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/544933892575481857)
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realjxn Thanks, tantek
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realjxn I think there's a db portion missing
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tantek I believe the implication is that the db schema has not changed yet
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tantek that you can "just" update the source files in place
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realjxn I upgraded by copying all the files over recursively, and also found a random sql file with a date on it that wasn't in the old repo, so I applied that
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tantek huh
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realjxn The schema did change from 4.3 -> 4.5 it seemed
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tantek from what version were you upgrading?
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bear.im created /jade (+123) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''<dfn>Jade</dfn>''' is a [http://jade-lang.com/ template engine for NodeJS]. == See Also == * [[stylus]] * . . ."" (view diff)
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realjxn er, .43, I guess
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realjxn 0.6.3 -> 0.6.5
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Loqi !calc 0.6.3 -> 0.6.5
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realjxn sorry, I tried to do it from memory, and I deal with a lot of software versions over the course of a few days
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bear.im created /stylus (+144) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''<dfn>Stylus</dfn>''' is a [https://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ CSS template language for NodeJS]. == See Also == * [[jade]] * . . ."" (view diff)
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tantek realjxn: was the first version idno and the second Known?
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tantek I thought Known had not changed schema - or was backward compat with old schema if any
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realjxn I downloaded both tar files straight from the homepage of withknown.com
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realjxn So, they were both known, AFAIK
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tantek hmm
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@loicmathaud @withknown whenever you want, it will be a pleasure. you can reach me on #indiewebcamp IRC chan : loic_m (twitter.com/_/status/544935649036754944)
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realjxn In schemas/mysql, only the 0.6.5 has the file 2014100801.sql, so I applied that
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realjxn kind of confusing, though. It'd seem to me that it'd be organized like this:
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realjxn /schemas/mysql/current.sql
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realjxn /schemas/mysql/0.6.3-to-0.6.4.sql
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realjxn /schemas/mysql/0.6.4-to-0.6.5.sql
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realjxn ...
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realjxn just so it's clear which release an update is associated with
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realjxn FWIW, the schema change was the addition of a 'reader' table
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kylewm 'reader' table, foreshadow of things to come hopefully!
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tantek hey that's exciting
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@thierrymarianne @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis https://twitter.com/thierrymarianne/status/544941163908968448/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/544941163908968448)
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@withknown RT @thierrymarianne: @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis … (twitter.com/_/status/544941342439505920)
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tantek realjxn: thanks for the update! go ahead and add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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ben_thatmustbeme I may have one or two other people able to come to IWC Cambridge that date.
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tantek cool!
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ben_thatmustbeme would be new memebers too
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@IndieHosters RT @thierrymarianne: @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis … (twitter.com/_/status/544942594359578624)
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ben_thatmustbeme ahhh, huffduffer is adactio's doing
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tantek indeed
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tantek what is huffduffer?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "huffduffer" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=huffduffer
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell adactio, any chance you can look in to why huffduffer isn't pulling in my "Elsewhere Links" from ben.thatmustbe.me
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme ugh, i did it again
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ben_thatmustbeme i always put the comma
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@gelnior RT @thierrymarianne: @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis … (twitter.com/_/status/544943359677444098)
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tantek !tell aaronpk tell Loqi to forget messages to any
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk to any?
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 14 seconds ago: tell Loqi to forget messages to any
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tantek yes - see above where ben_thatmustbeme left a message for adactio,any
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aaronpk oh haha
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry
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gRegor` HWC tomorrow? Where has the last two weeks gone? Dang.
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tantek FYI: the W3C Social Web WG f2f page and participation is up: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-17#Participation
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tantek (for next year's March MIT meeting)
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KartikPrabhu playback Loqi
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: snarfed left you a message 4 hours, 15 minutes ago: ugh, sorry for the trouble. try disabling and re-enabling your account on bridgy?
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KartikPrabhu hmm ok
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tantek AKA did you try turning it off and on? lol
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aaronpk bret: I wonder if there is some way you can use your youtube-dl thing along with huffduffer since they already did all the work of making the podcast feed and account thingy. maybe just a way to turn a youtube video into a web page that huffduffer can read and add?
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snarfed aaronpk++ good idea
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Loqi aaronpk has 630 karma
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rascul tantek march sounds good to me
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tantek great!
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tantek rascul - add yourself: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge#Interested
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: you too!
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-12-17-homebrew-website-club (+26) "-MSP" (view diff)
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snarfed !tell bret looks like it might be half done already. e.g. https://charlesleifer.com/blog/a-flask-front-end-and-chrome-extension-for-youtube-dl/ among others
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rascul got me one of them kimsufi boxes yesterday :) will be migrating stuff over as time permits
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@joelvim_ I wonder why I didn't hear about the #indieweb movement sooner. Really interesting principles. https://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/544979035256664064)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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AnnBassetti yo, IndieWeb folks
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AnnBassetti showing your IRC channel to a colleague
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gRegor` Hi, AnnBassetti
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AnnBassetti lots o' peeps here
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gRegor` Yep. Quite a few idle, though.
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AnnBassetti Tantek suggested this might be a good place to ask questions
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AnnBassetti guess I'll go look at some logs to see what goes on
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gRegor` Oh, it is definitely a good place to ask questions.
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@MyCozyCloud RT @thierrymarianne: @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis … (twitter.com/_/status/544982049019293696)
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gRegor` I just meant not everyone in the list is actively chatting.
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gRegor` Did you have any questions, AnnBassetti?
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KartikPrabhu w00t!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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gRegor` snarfed KartikPrabhu: that suggestion reminded me of http://youtu.be/nn2FB1P_Mn8?t=11s
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KartikPrabhu AnnBassetti: welcome! this is a good place to get started https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started also named appropriately!
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: lol... I will try that next time I use bridgy publish :P
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snarfed actually KartikPrabhu it looks like your 40x errors may have been transient
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KartikPrabhu oh... Twitter API hiccup?
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snarfed there were a few in a window of just a couple minutes, but then maybe 30m after that one succeeded: https://www.brid.gy/twitter/kartik_prabhu#publishes
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snarfed yeah likely
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AnnBassetti thanks for that Getting Started ref
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KartikPrabhu oh hmm weird! I totally forgot about that! too late in the night/early in the morning :P
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@jbpiacentino @benwerd at #mozilla paris "Known is the first startup that has emerged from #indieweb" http://povu.me/2014/benwerd-at-mozilla-paris-known-is-the-first-startup-that (twitter.com/_/status/544986736720216065)
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@Covata @Covata Blog Post - Defending Against Online Password Guessing Attacks Without CAPTCHAS #datasecurity #ownyourdata https://www.covata.com/blog/defending-password-attacks-without-captchas/ (twitter.com/_/status/544990597153443840)
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@NikkiJParker #Security predictions 2015: #Encryption increases in enterprises #ownyourdata @Covata http://www.itworldcanada.com/article/security-predictions-2015-encryption-increases-in-enterprises/100662 (twitter.com/_/status/544998224826605568)
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@pierreozoux RT @thierrymarianne: @benwerd talks abt @withknown used by students to own their contents & syndicate them out #IndieWeb via @MozillaParis … (twitter.com/_/status/544999626143977474)
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