#KartikPrabhutantek: on your homepage the like cluster with "likes Doc Searls's Linux Journal article “Hats Off to Mozilla”" has a permalink on the cluster date that goes to the wrong things
#tantekhowever, having separate page like that for all posts of a certain type on that day gives me the flexibility to style / design them nicer for that post type
#tantekafter wrestling with my u-syndication parsing/generation code flow, and rewriting a bunch of it to be smaller and more general purpose, I have an example of a like with a u-syndication link
#tantekso I'm doing this manually right now by checking my /allactivity on FB, scrolling to find the like post, hover over it to see a timestamp appear, right-click on the timestamp to get the permalink of the like post on FB
#tantekand I've now confirmed that all the Bridgy Publish POSSE likes of FB posts did show up in my /allactivity, and I've linked all of them from my original like posts
#tantekI had to add them manually to storage (editing an HTML file)
#tantekok I don't see a Bridgy Publish issue on this so I'll add one
#tantek.comedited /Falcon (+151) "/* auto Bridgy POSSE to FB */ note issue with getting permalinks from Bridgy for FB POSSE likes" (view diff)
#ben_thatmustif anyone else is interested in trying out the Micropub android app, i'll send you an apk. its REALLY rough though
#ben_thatmustif someone is set up for ios dev you can build it too
#LoqiKevinMarks_: voxpelli left you a message 12 hours, 25 minutes ago: I pushed a quick fix now for the duplicated text in the mentions on your site – it displays a sensible default now rather than the imported like/repost text
#tantekyeah! all the like permalinks had colons in them
#KevinMarks_looks good voxpelli - I should try the facepile too
#snarfed…reading closer, not really related though. th like links had small numbers after the colon, e.g. 6, and that issue has one with probably an id
#Loqikylewm meant to say: snarfed: it's not looking good for FB like permalinks ... i tried creating one and then bubbling back up to the liked photo, and nothing
#ben_thatmustKevinMarks_ while i have you. what you some things you might like from an android MP client?
#kylewmsnarfed: to double check, we'd need to turn on the publish switch for instagram so that users can authorize bridgy to publish on their behalf and then just implement the -> like api calls?
#kylewmi'm happy to take a look at that one... makes sense since i just did it locally
#snarfedkylewm: awesome, thanks! yeah, that's what i think. i expect there are at least a few more places that have [fb, tw] hard coded somehow that we'd need to update, e.g. in the ui, but manual testing should flush them out
#aaronpk"...when she’s not logged in, no one can post messages on her wall or send her messages privately or browse her content. But when she’s logged in, they can do all of that."
#tantekaaronpk ^^^ go for it - stub it with that article!
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#tantekthat second scenario - where the person is deleting content after they've processed it or after it's aged a certain amount - I wonder if simply archive it as "private" (visible only to her) would be sufficient. that way she could personally search/reference it while to everyone else it would look deleted.
#tantek.comedited /report_abuse (+185) "/* Instagram User */ expand This profile is pretending to be someone else, more incremental documentation" (view diff)
#tantek.comedited /deleted (+179) "why - numerous reasons, e.g. hoping others will delete from their servers eventually per kylewm" (view diff)
#tantekit seems to me that "super logoff" is basically a "do not disturb" hack
#tantekimagine if the "Do Not Disturb" crescent moon button in the iOS swipe-up overlay UI did exactly that with all your online profiles - disable *all* interactions with them.
#tantekI've thought about how a "Do Not Disturb" button would/should work with indie /comms - that is, being able to push a "Do Not Disturb" button/setting on your website, and have it disable all the interruptive methods of communication on your /contact page (perhaps only allowing non-interruptive / store & forward methods like email)
#david.shanske.comcreated /Ting (+991) "Created page with "<dfn>[https://ting.com Ting]</dfn> is a mobile virtual network provider(MVNO) owned by TUCOWS launched in February of 2012. Ting is characterized by a per-unit usage model where ..."" (view diff)
#tantekGWG, good start! If you're worried about advertising, I'd say drop the referral link, and instead add an IndieWeb Examples section and add yourself as a user - just note people can ping you in IRC if they want a referral link.
#tantekok. I'm going to drop the referral link because that's a common spam pattern and even though I know that is not your intent at all, it can appear that way to others who may find the page without context
#tantekwhich I'm trying to intuit whether it truly is just a /bookmark (with a quote as a reminder / summary of what the bookmark is about), or it is a /quotation that was deliberately extracted to share
#tantekI'm going to guess that the intent and primary content was the quotation more than the bookmark, which is just there as information about the quotation.
#LoqiA quotation is a type of post that is primarily a subset of the contents of another post, and often has a citation of that other post https://indiewebcamp.com/quotation
#KartikPrabhutantek: according to that defn it seems to fit ^
#tantekit does not because of the key word "primarily"
#LoqiA bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing or quoting from its contents https://indiewebcamp.com/bookmark
#tantekKartikPrabhu: appears to be multiple exposures of a cityscape at night, the lights from lamp posts appearing particularly bright, so much so as to nearly obscure anything else's details, all a bit blurry as if in a light fog.
#tantekThere should always be a way of describing something visual to someone over the phone. That's what language is for - describing things, visual, conceptual, etc.
#KartikPrabhutantek: appears to be yes. but all of those are wrong! ;)
#tantekKartikPrabhu: all the more reason you should describe what's *actually* going on in the photos!
#KartikPrabhuno! that is the point... if i actually descirbe the "method" the "point" of the photo is lost
#tantekAh, you're going all modern art on this, I see.
#KartikPrabhui can't say "ufo" because that is wrong, and I can't say "frying pan with water from a faucet turned upside down"
#KartikPrabhumore actual artists should be on this channel!
#tantekGrainy greyscale photographic image showing what appears to be the underside of something disc shaped with lines radiating from near the center where there is a bright white vertical cylindrical shape, slightly wider at the top, appearing to either support the disc or a flow of energy onto the underside of the disc which is then radially dispersed outward upon contact with the disc.
#KartikPrabhutantek: I am just thinking that some images don't have a good text representation by their very nature
#colintedfordalt="I'm sorry, I don't know how to describe this :("
#KartikPrabhucolintedford: lol that is the problem. alt-text is supposed to be useful for people who can't see the images. But very very hard to do with some images where the visuals are the whole point
#colintedfordKartikPrabhu: Yeah, I make comics (though usually not abstract) so I've had to spend more time than I'd like thinking about how to adequately represent visual stuff in text.
#colintedfordBut presumably not as much as being blind in a world of scanty alt text ;)
#tantekjust as not everyone can easily write HTML, CSS, and/or JS.
#tantekand like many things - practice helps improve the skills
#tantekKartikPrabhu: just try writing simple even if incomplete text equivalents. Something minor is better than nothing. And just that effort will make you better at it over time.
#colintedfordI still need to backfill a bunch of comic transcripts myself :/
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#KartikPrabhutantek: good luck convincing people of this text-first design... seems hard
#KartikPrabhuthough I really thing you should give it the old college try
#tantekKartikPrabhu: text first design, and notification first before that, will work because they are simpler, easier, nothing more.
#KartikPrabhuerrr "simpler" is a deceptive word as I think I might have established above. assumes you have a good writer :P a more serious obstacle than content-first i think
#KartikPrabhuand people are not yet convinced of content-first
#tantekI disagree - that trend is definitely taking over in design circles
#tantekKartikPrabhu: it is harder to go from something already complex down to a simpler form
#KartikPrabhupossibly. which might be the case with artist websites
#tanteke.g. a "notification first" design of your facets & visions could just be a brief textual summary
#KartikPrabhuwell my summary is "a collection of abstract photographs" which I should add in the h-entry
#tanteknotification: Kartik Prabhu posted five photographs in "Facets & Visions"
#KartikPrabhuyes I need some sort of "previously used tags" thing
#colintedfordLike that helps auto-fill? Or a list to choose from (based on frequency or some kind of magic analysis of your post)?
#KartikPrabhujust a reminder of tags I have used so I can repeat when apropos and not create unnecessary duplicates
#colintedfordFor apropos reminder you could just have a page of all your tags; not sure how to helpful that'd be if you have lots of tags, though, & not sure how to usefully winnow for relevancy.
#KartikPrabhucolintedford: I use my articles feed for that right now. lists all tags used at the bottome :)
#colintedfordWordPress auto-suggests as I type in the tags field, which helps prevent duplicates but runs kinda slow so isn't as useful as it could be.
#KartikPrabhuyeah javascript needs to be correctly written to be fast
#KartikPrabhureally don't understand why tantek 's favs appear when tilgovi 's follow disappear on twitter notifications
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#KartikPrabhuand i was hoping to use Twitter's notifications to build my own....
#pdurbinI'm kind of curious if lots of indieweb people develop RESTful APIs for themselves. So they can call into them from mobile apps, for example. You know, your own mobile app for your indieweb site. :)
#tantekthose sounds like separate questions pdurbin :)
#tantekso far no one develops a strictly RESTful API - but rather have a common handler (or a few) instead of having every URL accept GET/POST/PUT/DELETE
#tantekthere's a lot of stuff mislabeled as RESTful in the realm of APIs
#tanteklots of people support /micropub however, both end points on their sites, and clients they can use from the (mobile) web, or sometimes as native (mobile) apps.
#pdurbinnot from my perspective. I'm starting to get into mobile development and while on one hand I'm making games with my kids about their cats, on the other hand I'm making an app that calls into RESTful APIs for an app I work on for my day job. Just on the side... I can't afford to dedicate much time to this.
#pdurbinGWG: android. the webapp at work is written in java
#tantekpdurbin: do you use GET/POST/PUT/DELETE in your API?
#tantek.comedited /quotation (+255) "/* Instead use */ re-order by expected instead of frequency / ease of confusion, clarify reply a bit more" (view diff)
#pdurbintantek: the API supports all those but so far I'm only using GET from the android side. no auth either
#pdurbintantek: I sort of want a way to rate (and optionally review, briefly) podcast episodes as I listen to them. Since I listen from my Android phone, I'd probably want to do it from there.
#tantek!tell GWG do you feel you've built what you wanted for 2015-01-01? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-12-18#t1418962576242 i.e. improved reply-context including author icon and author name and kinds post/plugin? Did you post about these improvements?
#GWGpdurbin: I suggested it because there is room for an Android version and it is scoped out
#snarfedpdurbin: active is an overstatement. i use youtube-dl way more than huffduffer; most one-offs i find are flash embeds, not mp3 dls
#LoqiGWG: tantek left you a message 4 minutes ago: do you feel you've built what you wanted for 2015-01-01? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-12-18#t1418962576242 i.e. improved reply-context including author icon and author name and kinds post/plugin? Did you post about these improvements?
#GWGsnarfed: You doing that as pages in WordPress?
#snarfedGWG: yup. i have lots of pages. basically everything i want to post but not show on the front page
#GWGtantek: Why do you think I suddenly went back to a themeless theme?
#tantekGWG - perhaps write that up in a short post - you got your ship commitment done, but broke some stuff, so now you've gone back to a themeless theme
#GWGtantek: My theme is rendering oddly because I made a hack to incorporate changes. So, I decided to build again.
#GWGWell, I'm still on the partially broken theme.
#tantek!tell aaronpk I finished going through all your examples of quotation-like posts that you added to the wiki, and adding analysis accordingly to the "Why" and "Instead of" sections on /quotation. In addition, in discussion with KartikPrabhu, I improved /bookmark accordingly as well. HTH for your posts!
#tantek(I've been incorporating people's progress as subpoints under the *first mention of them* on that page - some folks are mentioned multiple times e.g. from IRC and then their own post in the dated posts section at the end)
#Loqiaaronpk: tantek left you a message 30 minutes ago: I finished going through all your examples of quotation-like posts that you added to the wiki, and adding analysis accordingly to the "Why" and "Instead of" sections on /quotation. In addition, in discussion with KartikPrabhu, I improved /bookmark accordingly as well. HTH for your posts!
#Loqiaaronpk: GWG left you a message 20 minutes ago: You no longer use WordPress for bookmarks, right?
#kylewmaaronpk: unrelated, how do you decide what date to cut off a "page" at in your stream. e.g. looking at notes, the second page starts at ?before=2014-12-08-1
#rascul[17:05] <FreezingCold> rascul: I wish sites started creating a curl friendly site.
#rasculguess what i'll be doing next for my site? ;)
#aaronpki thought you could cache just as well with both based on the cache headers
#snarfedright, just takes a bit more thought and work
#kylewmpwcc: to you as well! trying to figure out what tz you are in that it could be morning though :) hawaii?
#snarfed(kylewm: it's a hack, but if you subscribe to the indienews feed, i generally syndicate indieweb posts there)
#tantekkylewm: from a URL design perspective, it's better to both use URL segments (query params give the appearance of user-specific / tracking info), and for pagination in particular, to use date ranges so the meaning of such URLs stays the same over time.
#kylewm(I ask because I tried to compare mf2py to lxml by itself, and it was several of orders of magnitude slower)
#kylewmbut i'm not totally sure i was exercising the xml parser fully... maybe it was doing some stuff lazily, etc.
#aaronpkno i have no idea. I'm also not super concerned with parsing speed because it's super unlikely it's at all significant compared to making the outgoing HTTP request to fetch the page
#kylewmit seems significant if you wanted to store data in mf2 formatted html
#colintedfordHm, I see. An /article is a /post, which I think from the way "post" is contrasted with /page (no wiki page for that) is maybe meant to mean "part of a blog" (in the sense of series of timestamped posts).
#pwccWho imported previous silo content when converting to indie? I have 17,000 rows of data I'm not sure what to do with :)
#colintedfordBut it's not explicit about it, so it maybe fits the letter if not spirit.