#indiewebcamp 2015-01-12

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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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dougmckown I have a few indieweb question about worpress.
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GWG dougmckown: At your service
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dougmckown Tnanks.
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GWG Ask away. Not everyone here is a WordPress user, but I am.
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dougmckown I have these WP plugins installed: Indieweb, Indieweb Custom Taxonomy, Indieweb Press This, Semantic-Linkbacks, Web Actions, Webmention, and Webmention for comments...
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dougmckown How many of those are duplicytes of others?
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dougmckown None have settings, so can I assume that I don't have to do anythong else to make them do their jobs?
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indie-visitor Oops. I'm back.
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GWG Hi
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GWG dougmckown: About Custom Taxonomy, can I make a suggestion?
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dougmckown Lost connect.
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dougmckown yes, please.
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GWG Switch to the replacement
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GWG dougmckown: Indieweb Custom Taxonomy was replaced with Indieweb Post Kinds
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds
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GWG Download and install this and disable the other
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dougmckown Thanks.
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GWG I renamed it
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GWG Semantic Linkbacks and Webmentions for Comments do not actually have a settings screen
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GWG Press This uses the Press This functionality of WordPress to allow for bookmarklets. No configuration there
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GWG Webmention has no settings at the moment
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GWG A lot of them don't need options
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dougmckown Crap! Fatal error: Cannot redeclare kindstyle_load() (previously declared in /home4/dougmcko/public_html/wp-content/plugins/indieweb-taxonomy-master/indieweb-taxonomy.php:31) in /home4/dougmcko/public_html/wp-content/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds-master/indieweb-post-kinds.php on line 34
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GWG dougmckown: Disable Custom Taxonomy. They are the 'same' plugin.
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tantek GWG is that worth an FAQ or Troubleshooting entry on /WordPress ?
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dougmckown Will posts still appear the same (based on Post Format), or will the choice made in Kinds change the appearance?
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GWG tantek: I'm hoping pfefferle will solve it first
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GWG dougmckown: Not unless you reprogram your theme.
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tantek GWG - if people are having problems right now, better to document right now, than wait for someone to solve it.
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GWG dougmckown: The two can coexist if you want them to. But I suggest using one over the other
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@dougmckown @pfefferle Haben Sie einen Beitrag über Ihr indieweb Plugins für Wordpress? Wie funktionieren sie? Ich nicht Deutsch sprechen. (twitter.com/_/status/554438006741159936)
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GWG tantek: I didn't realize he'd be away for so long. It's the Indieweb plugin. It recommends Custom Taxonomy.
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GWG tantek: Either way, will add to the wiki
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GWG Time flies when you decide to rename your plugin
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dougmckown Is there a master list of WP plugins and what they do?
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david.shanske.com edited /WordPress (-25) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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GWG dougmckown: The wiki
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GWG But as tantek just pointed out, I should edit
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david.shanske.com edited /WordPress (-1) "/* More building blocks */" (view diff)
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GWG dougmckown: Why don't we step back a second
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GWG dougmckown: What do you want to do?
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GWG Webmentions enables webmention support for WordPress. That's plumbing.
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dougmckown Okay. Thanks.
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dougmckown How about web actions
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tantek.com edited /comment (+84) "emojicon 💬" (view diff)
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dougmckown I wish there was a super indieweb plugin that did everything.
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tantek.com edited /note (+0) "tweak emojicon to indicate the output - a note - instead of the process - writing" (view diff)
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GWG dougmckown: That was what the plugin that installed other plugin was.
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dougmckown Which one? Webmentions or Indieweb?
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tantek.com edited /create (+97) "emojicon 📝" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /📝 (+2) "redirect to more appropriate page" (view diff)
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GWG dougmckown: The IndieWeb one
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dougmckown Thanks.
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GWG dougmckown: Bear in mind, the developer of Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks also did the Indieweb plugin
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GWG dougmckown: I did Indieweb Custom Taxonomy, and its sucessor Indieweb Post Kinds, as well as some other Indieweb plugins, Semantic Comments, Syndication Links.
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GWG dougmckown: The WordPress Syndication Plugin was Jihaisse.
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GWG dougmckown: If they were all together, we couldn't develop them independently.
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dougmckown GWG, of course. I didn't think of that.
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GWG dougmckown: Also, my Syndication Links plugin, and Jihaisse's WordPress Syndication do the same thing, in different ways
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GWG Mine allows for manual entry, his requires a third party plugin to pull the data from, such as SNAP or Social.
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GWG dougmckown: Basically, if you install Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks, you'll be able to send webmentions to supporting sites, and get rich comments back
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GWG dougmckown: If you add in Bridgy, which is a service, you'll be able to get rich comments back from Facebook, Twitter, G+, etc
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GWG dougmckown: If you add in WordPress Syndication or Syndication Links, you can add a link to your post on that service so Bridgy knows what the syndicated version is to send back the links.
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dougmckown Do you have links for the syndication plugins you mentioned. When I search for syndication plugins in WP, I get dozens.
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tantek dougmckown - can you easily find it here? indiewebcamp.com/WordPress ?
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GWG dougmckown: A lot of them aren't in the WordPress repository.
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GWG I should put some of mine in.
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dougmckown I assumed that the WP repository had them all.
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GWG tantek: I'll have to work on that page a bit later
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Loqi +1
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tantek dougmckown - the indiewebcamp.com/WordPress page should make it very clear which plugins to install. If it doesn't, please ask questions about whatever parts of that page are unclear!
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tantek (as in we're looking for feedback about any problems/issues with that page or any suggestions for improvement!)
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GWG dougmckown: This is my Syndication Links plugin - https://github.com/dshanske/syndication-links
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GWG dougmckown: This is the alternative one - https://github.com/jihaisse/wordpress-syndication
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GWG Both have advantages
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GWG If we didn't approach it differently, I would have just contributed to his
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dougmckown BTW, thank you for answering all of my newbie questions!
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GWG dougmckown: We're always happy to help
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GWG Besides, now I have homework
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GWG I need to add to that wiki page
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dougmckown Those two are to display links to syndiucated copies, but what about the best plugins to do the syndication?
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GWG dougmckown: In the repository, the two most popular are Social by MAilchimp and SNAP
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GWG You can also POSSE manually, which people do
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dougmckown Is it possible to push WP tags to Twitter hashtags?
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GWG Yes
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dougmckown It appears that Social (by MailChimp) does what Bridgy does. Is that correct?
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dougmckown GWG, how?
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GWG dougmckown: There are settings in both plugins
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GWG dougmckown: Yes, but not as well.
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tantek.com edited /article (+96) "emojicon 📖 (best of several options)" (view diff)
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dougmckown Is p3k available to anyone? That seems like the best answer.
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tantek.com created /📖 (+21) "r" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu woah!: https://twitter.com/unicomplex/status/554374313558962176
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@unicomplex unable to read https://blog.vrypan.net/2013/09/27/crafting-my-blog/ due to #cloudflare blocking #tor users , no chance of helping test the #webmentions then. (twitter.com/_/status/554374313558962176)
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dougmckown WordPress seems like overkill. I want a bare bones solution to own my content and easily clone/push to Twitter.
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Loqi gives dougmckown a bare bones solution to own my content and easily clone
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KartikPrabhu what is RedWind?
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Loqi Red Wind (source code) is Kyle Mahan's IndieWeb-ready blog software written in Python and running on Flask https://indiewebcamp.com/redwind
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KartikPrabhu dougmckown: try that ^ ?
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dougmckown IRC question: what does " Loqi gives dougmckown a bare bones solution to own my content and easily clone" mean?
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Loqi woot!
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dougmckown Or was the answer to my question Redwind?
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dougmckown Is Flask a framewok that most web hosts offer?
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GWG dougmckown: Ask aaronpk, it is his baby
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dougmckown Okay.
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KartikPrabhu dougmckown: If you type "I want something" then Loqi tries to be nice and gives you something
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tantek are there really only four people here that post bookmarks? https://indiewebcamp.com/bookmark#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek KartikPrabhu, GWG , kylewm, snarfed, ben_thatmust do any of you post bookmarks?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: not yet. I am not sure if I want bookmarks to be a type of Note or a separate thing
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tantek KartikPrabhu: indeed - here's some thinking on that: https://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#bookmark
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I also want bookmarks to include things I would "highlight" (e-book terminology) while reading. Those seem to get very muddled with quotations
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kylewm tantek: I post bookmarks but I don't do anything interesting with them
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Loqi kylewm: ben_thatmust left you a message 6 hours, 31 minutes ago: latest build has gallery button working
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kylewm dougmckown: redwind is my thing. most shared hosting doesn't support python/flask if that was your question
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tantek kylewm: when did you start posting bookmarks? URL to your first one?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I think highlights are quotations per https://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#Emphasis_exception
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kylewm tantek: https://kylewm.com/2014/07/meet-the-man-building-an-ai-that-mimics-our-neocortex-and-could-kill
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kylewm 2014-07-08
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Loqi !calc 2014-07-08
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dougmckown kylewm: which host do you use for your redwind site?
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kylewm dougmckown: digital ocean
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dougmckown Okay thanks. Do thay a one-click installer (like for WP)?
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dougmckown ...they have a...
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kylewm hehe, no
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dougmckown crap
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Loqi lolz
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KartikPrabhu dougmckown: if one-click installers are what you are looking for then you are largely stuck with WP
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tantek dougmckown: you may want to try Known
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tantek installs / updates of that are fairly straightforward (download, expand in place)
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dougmckown But I can FTP to Digital Ocean, correct?
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kylewm it's an experimental/custom application i'm developing ... it's possible for other people to install it (one person even has) but not easy
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tantek indiewebcamp.com/Known
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tantek.com edited /posts (+81) "/* Kinds of Posts */ emojicons for a few more post kinds, re-order and cluster by apparent indieweb examples, note two only or one only" (view diff)
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dougmckown I've been tinkering with Known some.
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dougmckown Known doesn't have a way of making pages.
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GWG tantek: I did post bookmarks until I came on my existential crisis
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GWG Like, Favorite, Bookmark, Reply
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GWG Since I commented on all the bookmarks, I reclassified as a reply
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GWG Still on the fence about that
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kylewm dougmckown: DigitalCOean does virtual private servers, so you get shell access to a linux box
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dougmckown Thanks.
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KartikPrabhu dougmckown: I use webfaction.com to host my python code. They also give you shell access
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tantek.com edited /bookmark (+454) "add kylewm with specific date, others dates unconfirmed, or note PESOS" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, indeed if you're commenting on links (rather than just summarizing or adding a reminder for yourself), then those are replies, not bookmarks.
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dougmckown Thanks everybody for answering my newbie questions!
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tantek similar to how most tweets that have a link are actually *comments* on those links
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tantek dougmckown: no problem! what's your primary site?
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dougmckown dougmckown.com
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GWG dougmckown: I hope I didn't confuse you more
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /bookmark (+219) "Adding myself to bookmark examples" (view diff)
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GWG dougmckown: If you decide to stay with WordPress, happy to help...happy either way to help
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ben_thatmust tantek, yes, though i only have one sample post
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ben_thatmust haven't ended up using it yet
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tantek ben_thatmust: similarly I only have one /comics post.
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ben_thatmust ever since i added your suggestion of /<posttype>/ it makes it easier for me
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ben_thatmust i probably have other types i haven't added myself to yet
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ben_thatmust will have to go through that
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tantek at the root?!? I don't think I would have suggested that
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dougmckown GWG: a link for SNAP? I don't see in repository.
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tantek per /URL_design
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tantek what is SNAP?
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Loqi SNAP is a POSSE plugin for WordPress and stands for Social Network Auto Poster https://indiewebcamp.com/SNAP
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ben_thatmust no suggested, but asked why i didn't
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tantek dougmckown: if you can't find something, ask "what is ..."
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ben_thatmust you trimmed down the URL and asked why i didn't
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GWG https://wordpress.org/plugins/social-networks-auto-poster-facebook-twitter-g/
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GWG What is SNAP?
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Loqi SNAP is a POSSE plugin for WordPress and stands for Social Network Auto Poster https://indiewebcamp.com/SNAP
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ben_thatmust with /photos i believe
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ben_thatmust err /audio
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tantek ben_thatmust: maybe checkins?
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ben_thatmust ahh yeah
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ben_thatmust that was it
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tantek oh right - consistent with your existing URL scheme - hackable URLs as it were
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dougmckown GWG: thanks
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ben_thatmust i liked the idea, so i do it for every post type of mine now
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tantek though I'm still a strong proponent of http://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design#Dates
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ben_thatmust okay, off to watch a movie with the misses
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tantek you can still keep type-specific aggregations at the root
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tantek however I think permalinks out to be date first
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GWG dougmckown: I love and hate SNAP
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tantek s/out/ought
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Loqi tantek meant to say: however I think permalinks ought to be date first
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ben_thatmust i think we've gone over this before
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ben_thatmust but i prefer it this way, i think it makes more sense for me
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dougmckown GWG: I'll give it a try. I've tried IFTTT but didn't like their use of their URL shortener, and have used Social too, but it was a while ago.
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tantek ben_thatmust: we'll have to wait for aaronpk's full write-up of why he's switching/switched from type-first to date-first permalinks.
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dougmckown What I want is to have my posts under 140 characters cloned to Twitter and those over 140 cloned with a link. And have PW tags become Twitter hashtags.
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GWG dougmckown: I have issues with all of them, but I'm not in a position to write one of my own right now
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kylewm GWG: is there not a wordpress plugin that "integrates" with bridgy publish?
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GWG dougmckown: I also can never get Twitter right.
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GWG kylewm: It's on my list.
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GWG kylewm: I wrote some of the code, but haven't tested it.
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GWG kylewm: My issue was I wanted to integrate previews in.
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GWG I've been meaning to ask snarfed if there was a way for me to get a preview in a pop up
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GWG kylewm: You would know. You know the code as well as he does
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dougmckown GWG: are you dshanske on github?
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kylewm GWG: I don't think there is, I'll take a quick look at the code though
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dougmckown what's the best IRC client for the Mac?
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GWG dougmckown: affirmative
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dougmckown sorry if that was nosy, just wnated to be able to see all of your github stuff
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kylewm GWG: actually.... you can POST to https://www.brid.gy/publish/preview with a query string (which is a little strange) and get back the preview
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kylewm GWG: a first version that just has checkboxes for twitter and facebook and sends a webmention after publishing, seems like it woudl go a long way?
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GWG kylewm: What is the query string?
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GWG kylewm: Agreed...I've just been putting it off.
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kylewm GWG here's an example https://gist.github.com/kylewm/fd3e6536c947af7399f8
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kylewm it's unofficial API, obviously subject to change
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kylewm and actually if you really wanted to use that for a plugin, I think snarfed or I would clean up the API and make it official
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GWG kylewm: If the post hasn't been published yet...
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GWG There is no URL yet. But I suppose I could make it publish then refresh.
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kylewm lol, good point
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GWG Anyway....I will try to accelerate
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kylewm no pressure from me :)
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GWG kylewm: I've been putting it off. I disabled SNAP, but didn't replace it. I should.
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GWG kylewm: You aren't pressuring, but I could occasionally use a good kick in the pants
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GWG !tell dougmckown Not a problem
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG kylewm: Although clearly I need to rewrite the WordPress wiki page a bit
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GWG So you want to be an indiewebber...
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kylewm I feel like I've spent most of today downloading Android SDKs
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GWG kylewm: To do what with?
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kylewm I'm trying to make a notification app
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kylewm pretty close to giving up
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kylewm XML files everywhere, it's unpleasantly reminiscent of java web app development
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GWG kylewm: For what?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: I thought Android dev was Java based
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kylewm everything... library dependencies, UI layouts, triggers -> actions relationships
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KartikPrabhu UI layouts in XML! sheesh
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GWG kylewm: No. What do you want to notify?
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kylewm oh
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tantek kylewm: like a generic indieweb notifications app where all you do is sign-in with indieauth and it does the rest?
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pdurbin kylewm: is iOS development better?
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GWG tantek: We still have a proposal on the books for that
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GWG http://indiewebcamp.com/mention-app
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kylewm GWG: I want to get a notification when someone mentions me or replies to me. and then it has a Reply button that opens my /new/reply URL
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GWG kylewm: Can I suggest a stopgap measure?
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GWG kylewm: https://docs.pushbullet.com/
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kylewm pdurbin: I have not done iOS either
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tantek kylewm: I believe benwerd has hacked this up with his site sending him emails for webmentions
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tantek and then he just gets notifications of those emails via whatever mobile email client he is using
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tantek that's another "stopgap" measure
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kylewm gasps at tantek suggesting email
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tantek another would be XMPP - have all your notifications show up in a single XMPP IM conversation
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GWG tantek: Difference is Pushover and Pushbullet are both integrated into iOS and Android
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pdurbin kylewm: this video helped me get started with Android development: http://www.newthinktank.com/2014/10/make-android-apps-14/
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GWG It's a service if you don't want to write your own
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tantek GWG - Google Hangouts is good enough for XMPP + notifications
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tantek GWG - Google Hangouts is also an iOS and Android app
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kylewm you can still send XMPP to google hangouts?
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GWG tantek: I'll agree, but both Google and Facebook seem to be deprecating XMPP support
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tantek kylewm: yes
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GWG kylewm: Yes, you can, but for how long....
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kylewm pdurbin: thanks! i'll watch that
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tantek GWG what do you mean by "integrated"?
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tantek that sounds like there is still client work to do
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tantek whereas with Google Hangouts it's two steps: 1. install Google Hangouts (for iOS or Android), 2. setup Google Hangouts with your XMPP login info
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pdurbin kylewm: cool. I'd be interested in know what you think of that video. For me it was just enough. And I've been going back and watching earlier videos by the same guy for more of the fundamentals.
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GWG And with mine, it is two steps...
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GWG Install app if not installed
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tantek which app?
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GWG Use curl to send
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GWG Pushbullet or Pushover. Same idea, different implementation
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tantek what is Pushbullet?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Pushbullet" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Pushbullet
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GWG Pushover is pad, Pushbullet is free
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tantek what is Pushover?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Pushover" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Pushover
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tantek GWG, alrighty, please add some stubs with download URLs (and commentary like "is bad" or "is free" ^^^
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GWG http://indiewebcamp.com/mention-app
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GWG I'll write is shortly.
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tantek thanks much!
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GWG Also need to rewrite the WordPress page and make a tuna sandwich
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kylewm /mention-app is where i found pushbullet, fwiw
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GWG kylewm: I put it there.
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kylewm I suppose if google hangouts ever totally removes XMPP, you can use a different services
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kylewm service8
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kylewm bah
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kylewm anyway I like that suggestion
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GWG Pushover is older, but Pushbullet is iterating faster. But it is a free service, and I haven't seen how Pushbullet will monetize
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tantek GWG ^^^ type that into the wiki edit text area ;)
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GWG tantek: Along with, "I paid the $5 for Pushover because I want something to be here ."
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GWG I worry about free services that have no visible revenue stream.
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tantek sure - worth putting that on the page too
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GWG tantek: Isn't that how you get site deaths?
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tantek if you think there's that risk - add it
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tantek just click the edit URLs that Loqi gave you, type {{stub}} and copy / paste your statements from above.
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tantek GWG, kylewm, KartikPrabhu, and anyone else - I know you all have been posting /article posts for some time - do you know when your earliest article post was? Add to https://indiewebcamp.com/article#IndieWeb_Examples !
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KartikPrabhu tantek: do articles on older blogger blogs count?
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tantek gRegor`: you too per https://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata#gRegor_Morrill ;)
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tantek was it your own domain or the blogger.com silo?
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tantek what we're trying to document here is indieweb posting of these post types
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KartikPrabhu silo so I guess no
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tantek hence *indieweb* examples
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KartikPrabhu even thought I have moved them to my domain
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tantek you should still mention that you've imported back posts from a silos since yyyy-mm-dd
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Loqi +1
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tantek but just sort yourself by your *first* actual indieweb article post
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tantek Loqi that doesn't even make sense
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Loqi :)
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tantek gives Loqi a -1 to cancel out the random +1.
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Loqi grabs the -1 to cancel out the random +1.
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tantek :)
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tantek bear: you too per https://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata#Bear, add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/article#IndieWeb_Examples :)
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tantek and benwerd and snarfed too
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kartikprabhu.com edited /article (+7) "/* Tantek */ fix name" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /article (+168) "/* gRegor Morrill */ note on 'untitled'" (view diff)
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gRegor` "you were there, and you, and you!"
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gRegor` I don't understand the distinction of "explicitly posting articles"
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KartikPrabhu <shrug>
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gRegor` I'm experimenting with updating comments display on my articles. Anyone want to give some feedback? http://gregorlove.com/responses-mockup.html vs live version: http://gregorlove.com/2014/09/1186/#comments
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GWG gRegor`: Give me a moment...
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gRegor` Not sure I like the icon placement. I took inspiration for that from tumblr notes, which is usually one line in the format: "[avatar] [username] liked this" with the appropriate icon on the right.
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gRegor` I think it looks good in tumblr lists of notes, since every one has an icon. On this mockup it looks a little odd
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gRegor` I like the bit of color, but I don't want it to appear like it's an action the reader can take/has taken on the comment.
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: maybe use a fallback avatar for people with no-avatars?
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tantek gRegor`: "explicitly" as a modifier on "posting on your own site", rather than a modifier on "articles"
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tantek gRegor`: tighten-up your current display's vertical spacing so that it matches the prototype
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gRegor` They'll be cached eventually, but that's not what I'm working on at the moment.
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: then which icon did you mean?
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KartikPrabhu sorry I confused icon and avatar
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gRegor` The retweet and favorite icons on the right.
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KartikPrabhu oh why not have them next to the word "retweeted"
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tantek indeed
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: something like this: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/like-nofilter-flying
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gRegor` I may just remove them. Not sure I like them anywhere I've tried them. :)
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tantek right, if they're not adding something specifically, drop them
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tantek when in doubt in a visual design, throw it out
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KartikPrabhu also it is stupid that Twitter API does not give dates for retweets and likes
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gRegor` I'm currently publishing the time the webmention is published
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KartikPrabhu that is a fair approach
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gRegor` But on this mockup I'm approaching everything fresh. I don't think they necessarily need a date
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tantek it's interesting from the point of view of seeing clusterings by datetime, or order, e.g. when one person likes/reposts something which then appears to "cause" a bunch of others to do so
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gRegor` True. And they'll still be sorted by datetime in my display, so ... let me try something.
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KartikPrabhu is not a fan of interleaving comments and "lesser" responses like repost and like
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KartikPrabhu is also thinking of changing response displays particularly "mentions" and getting rid of "likes" altogether
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gRegor` Ok, refresh http://gregorlove.com/responses-mockup.html - dropped the icons, added the datetime for repost/favorites. Needed a permalink for those anyway.
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: You mean not displaying likes of your posts?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: there's always adactio's approach - of putting each (likes, reposts, comments) in their own section
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tantek but still keeping order / datetimes
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: yeah not displaying likes at all
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I do that now. But I feel likes don't add anything
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gRegor` I think I'm liking this mockup a lot now.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: hence I think facepiles are better, with perhaps that datetime stamp in a tooltip
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KartikPrabhu I don't know. "likes" are very positively biased. There is no "dislike"
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gRegor` Unless you implement it. :)
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gRegor` "If you build it, they will com-- dislike it."
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gRegor` What is dislike?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dislike" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=dislike
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KartikPrabhu yup exactly! there is no mechanism to dislike anywhere, so why should there be a mechanism to only "like" it
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gRegor` narcissism? :)
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tantek unlike ;)
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KartikPrabhu possibly.
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KartikPrabhu unlike means to reverse a former like.
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tantek right
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gRegor` It used to be - maybe still is - a common refrain on facebook "why is there no dislike button?"
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: yeah I have heard
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tantek Digg would let you thumb-up or thumb-down something
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gRegor` And reddit has +/- karma
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tantek pretty sure slashdot had +/- karma before reddit
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gRegor` Likely. Sounds right.
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KartikPrabhu dislikes this whole "everything sunny all the time, good day" attitude on "social media"
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gRegor` Guessing you haven't poked around some corners of social media. ;)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yeah - the "highlights reel" effect
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gRegor` Well, at least Twitter.
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: those are explicit comments, not clicking a button
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gRegor` Hm?
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tantek and those that do share the sad/tragic things are "rewarded" with year-in-review summaries that remind them of it all :(
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KartikPrabhu clicking a button if you "like" something is supposed to be ok, but to "dislike" you have to write an actual response
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gRegor` Guess I misunderstood your comment about the attitude on social media
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it's a deliberate design decision to attempt a more positive emotional design
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes. which seems to me to be very disingenuous.
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tantek since by default, if you make +/- similarly possible, you get a negative dominated community like digg or reddit etc.
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tantek no it's a deliberate design to avoid known negative community patterns
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KartikPrabhu and so we go to the other extreme where everyone likes everything but no one dislikes anything
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gRegor` I was thinking of topics covered. I see a lot of not-sunny topics on Twitter. Facebook definitely seems to be more of a 'sunny' place.
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tantek no they simply ignore it
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gRegor` Ferguson was all over Twitter, but a lot less on Facebook, for example.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: however what has happened in places like Twitter is the negative emotionally impactful posts get more favorites / retweets - amplification
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes. so if you dislike something you are supposed to ignore. but that does not tell me the poster anything
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tantek KartikPrabhu: there may be an opportunity for "mute" as a reaction to a post - as in - don't show me this post again (even if reposted)
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KartikPrabhu I am looking for some version of actual comments/critique. One-click "likes" don't mean anything
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tantek they mean something. perhaps minimal / superficial but they do mean something.
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tantek sometimes many different things - as KevinMarks pointed out
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes, then why not "dislikes" to mean 'something minimal' ?
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@dougmckown @kevinmarks I'm trying to go #indieweb. What do you do with your tweets? Do they get cloned to your site? How? (twitter.com/_/status/554504586070085632)
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GWG gRegor`: What are those icons around the person's name?
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gRegor` Unicode from their Twitter display name
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gRegor` Looks like they're crowns
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GWG What is Pushbullet?
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Loqi Pushbullet is a free service that sends rich notifications to your Android or iOS device, as well as various web browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/Pushbullet
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tantek GWG++ thanks!
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GWG tantek: I also rewrote the WordPress pages a bit.
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david.shanske.com created /Pushover (+938) "Created page with "<dfn>[https://pushover.net Pushover]</dfn> makes it easy to get real-time notifications on Android, iOS, and desktop systems. Pushover offers a simple [https://pushover.net/api..."" (view diff)
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GWG What is Pushover?
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Loqi Pushover makes it easy to get real-time notifications on Android, iOS, and desktop systems https://indiewebcamp.com/Pushover
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GWG I need to change that
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GWG Need to think on the description.
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kylewm turns out it is really hard to send messages to google hangouts :(
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GWG kylewm: Coming around to my suggestion?
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kylewm GWG: those services do look nice
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GWG kylewm: And I was able to add notification support in five minutes.
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kylewm and I tend to agree with your feeling that pushbullet seems fishy
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GWG It isn't fishy. They have no business model. They just want to build the service and figure out money later.
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GWG I'd rather give $5 and know it will be there
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kylewm that's all I mean by fishy. i've had enough of those kind of services.
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kylewm like are they going to start sending ads every once in a while?
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GWG I use Pushover over Pushbullet. I use it to send notices from IRC to my phone, also from my server to my phone.
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kylewm how do you send notices from iRC?
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GWG I have ZNC running. There is a module
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GWG Then I log in if I need to
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@ken_bauer We see as @cogdog guides me through the Hoth asteroid field #CCourses #indieWeb @TecdeMty @jimgroom @bennettscience @brlamb (twitter.com/_/status/554515412377817090)
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kylewm GWG++ thank you for the advice :)
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GWG kylewm: I look forward to see what you come up with.
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tantek here's a high profile example of a WordPress blog with spam getting through in the comments, Lessig: http://www.lessig.org/2013/07/on-the-emptiness-in-the-concept-of-neutrality/
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tantek I wanted to cite it, but now I don't because of the spam
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tantek aside: it's also an example of reposting from a Tumblr
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tantek PESOSed as it were
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tantek original post: http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/56888930628/on-the-emptiness-in-the-concept-of-neutrality
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kylewm tantek, the spam comments you are seeing are on Disqus, right?
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tantek no - I have JS disabled. no disqus
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tantek kylewm: view source on http://www.lessig.org/2013/07/on-the-emptiness-in-the-concept-of-neutrality/ and you can find them - thought it's odd that the markup says "dsq" - some sort of serverside disqus plugin?
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@dougmckown Does anyone know how to clone tweets to a @WordPress site without using IFTTT? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/554529837826973696)
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tantek doesn't he mean vice versa - from WordPress to tweets?
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@kopfzeiler gebloggt: #Indieweb und Erhabenheit http://www.kopfzeiler.org/?p=2656 (twitter.com/_/status/554537844354867201)
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@krautsource RT @kopfzeiler: gebloggt: #Indieweb und Erhabenheit http://www.kopfzeiler.org/?p=2656 (twitter.com/_/status/554544770312577024)
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@GlobalRevLive may want to check out #indieweb movement, build decentralized publishing. https://withknown.com/ 1 option w social @CurvyBelle01 @lenubienne (twitter.com/_/status/554554827100135424)
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@superbranch RT @GlobalRevLive: may want to check out #indieweb movement, build decentralized publishing. https://withknown.com/ 1 option w social @Curv… (twitter.com/_/status/554557725493850112)
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voxpelli Regarding Pushover / Pushbullet – exposing an RSS-feed and having IFTTT trigger notifications on new items in that feed would work as well
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voxpelli So using a h-entry to RSS converter for a mentions page would be enough for IFTTT to work
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voxpelli (but there's probably no Pubsubhubbub-enabled such converters right now so not full realtime)
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@banditelli RT @GlobalRevLive: may want to check out #indieweb movement, build decentralized publishing. https://withknown.com/ 1 option w social @Curv… (twitter.com/_/status/554574422913212416)
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Loqi [mention] http://conceptbakery.de/blog/2015/01/11/new-clues-deutsche-uebersetzung-die-neuen-thesen-von-den-verfassern-des-cluetrain-manifest/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Principles (pingback)
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pwcc !tell GWG: Sorry, didn't get a chance to look at your theme over the weekend. I am epileptic and had a fit instead. Boo!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@checkdisout I agree @evgenymorozov &there are more&more initiatives tackling this issue incl. @indie @withknown @indiewebcamp @smarimc via @KlausTrainer (twitter.com/_/status/554609350682374144)
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GWG !tell pwcc Fully understand. Take care of yourself
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Loqi GWG: pwcc left you a message 1 hour, 55 minutes ago: Sorry, didn't get a chance to look at your theme over the weekend. I am epileptic and had a fit instead. Boo!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar in case we have anyone skilled in graphics: could the webmention logo be included in one of the icon fonts, like font awesome?
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KartikPrabhu webmention has a logo!?
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petermolnar http://indiewebcamp.com/File:webmention-logo.svg
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KartikPrabhu also including a glyph in a font is more upto the font author and not us
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ben_thatmustbeme goodmorning
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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ella Hello, there. I have installed known on my server—thanks to the easy install package—and am working to adapt it for my needs. I'd like a plugin that could upload multiple images for a Project content type, but since I hardly know what I'm doing I'm going to duplicate the Text plugin and just create a gallery of images under the 'code' tab of the toolbar. I hope that later I'll learn how to make a image set or gallery plugin bu
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ella I was wondering if anyone could tell me if that's a good way to go about it or if I'm setting myself up for future trouble.
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ella (or if there is a better place for me to ask these questions). Thanks!
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KartikPrabhu ella: maybe try asking the Known people directly at https://twitter.com/withknown ?
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ella That's probably a good idea. I've looked through the documentation and I wasn't able to find (or I missed) a user/support forum and it didn't seem appropriate for the issue log. I'll get in touch with them directly.
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KartikPrabhu ella: there is this dev group too: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/known-dev but I generally dislike Google Groups
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ella Ah! Thanks.
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ben_thatmustbeme finally moved my app off of the purchased icon set i was using onto some simple SVG ones that were public domain
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kylewm !tell petermolnar pfefferle already has! http://pfefferle.github.io/openwebicons/icons/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme cool
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, did gallery button work for you?
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petermolnar kylewm wow, thanks :)
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Loqi petermolnar: kylewm left you a message 3 minutes ago: pfefferle already has! http://pfefferle.github.io/openwebicons/icons/
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: haven't tried it yet
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, ok
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ben_thatmustbeme just added bookmark and like support this morning
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ben_thatmustbeme and moved to free icons that i can redistribute
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kylewm voxpelli: atom feed + push + ifttt is what I did originally, but it was really unreliable. notifications were similar always delayed. probably something I was doing wrong
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kylewm cm
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voxpelli kylewm: I see, I guess that's what a new app eventually should do – parse updates from a PuSH enabled source – I guess Superfeedr has pretty much everything needed for that
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ben_thatmustbeme i plan to work on a push enabled app soon. never done it before
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ben_thatmustbeme but i would love to get that working
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: Try checkin with Julien of Superfeedr then! Unless you want to build everything yourself :)
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ben_thatmustbeme ideally, i would like ot
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ben_thatmustbeme to*
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@benwerd Interesting point from the federated social web list: encouraging people to have their own domain is encouraging them to self-dox. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/554679670101114880)
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@benwerd This isn't to say that people shouldn't own their own domains - they should - but a lot about the reg process needs to be fixed. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/554680877435740160)
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ben_thatmustbeme quiet day thus far
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kylewm i'm confused about this https://twitter.com/mapkyca/status/554681559388012545
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@mapkyca @benwerd .co.uk tld, + a few others support anonymous reg. Very few others do. (twitter.com/_/status/554681559388012545)
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kylewm can't you get whois privacy for many TLDs?
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aaronpk yes. is he saying that you can actually not provide your address to register a .co.uk tho?
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aaronpk "anonymous registration" sounds different from whois privacy. but I was not aware that any registrars allowed anonymous registration
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kylewm purchases whois privacy for kylewm.com
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aaronpk has too many domains to bother with whois privacy :(
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kylewm aaronpk: it looks like you have private registration on aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk that's a start at least
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aaronpk ah yeah dreamhost provides whois privacy for free http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Domain_WHOIS_Privacy_Service
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kylewm what is a protection racket?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "protection racket" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=protection+racket
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aaronpk that's a pretty good advantage of registering with dreamhost
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aaronpk i've seen registrars offer whois privacy for free the first year, then charge $2/year after that which is kind of sneaky
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kylewm name.com is $3.99 / year ...
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aaronpk ouch
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kylewm now fairly angry about this
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@benwerd TIL that CSP headers on sites like GitHub mean that bookmarklets don't work, forcing you to build browser extensions. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/554707741516648448)
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aaronpk kylewm: have you just been paying the $4/year this whole time?
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gRegor` domainmonster.com has free domain name privacy
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metatropolis I like dreamhost's approach, but there is a minimal administrative overhead for the ISP involved in maintaining whois privacy, right?
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aaronpk that dreamhost wiki page has a great description of how they handle it
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kylewm aaronpk: i just bought it like 10 minutes ago
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aaronpk oh gotcha
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gRegor` what is domain privacy
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Loqi Domain privacy refers to privacy concerns around the contact information that is publicly available with each domain name registration https://indiewebcamp.com/domain_privacy
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tantek sigh, very few "points" from an email list are "interesting" about the web. including this one.
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tantek it's called a POBOX.
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gRegor` 2FA is another important consideration with registrars. https://konklone.com/post/protect-your-domain-name-with-two-factor-authentication
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kylewm this is reaffirming that registering a domain name is way to hard
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kylewm as aaronpk said here https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/01/12/1/
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gRegor` Agreed. Making domain name registration simple (changing ICANN?) sounds . . . not easy.
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kylewm too*
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tantek gRegornobactick++ for that 2FA DNR link!
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kylewm laughs at gRegor`s various nicknames gathering karma
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gRegor` What is gregors karma alias?
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Loqi Loqi does not like the backtick in gRegor Morrill's screen name gRegor`, so you can give karma to username gregornobacktick in the meantime . . https://indiewebcamp.com/gregors_karma_alias
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gRegor` It is pretty funny
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tallpaul its perhaps worth considering that all domains are sub-domains
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tallpaul the advantage of top level domains (apart form recognisabilty etc) is that they come with the lega lfraework around ICANN
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tallpaul you don't have to be ICANN to provide a framwwork though
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tantek gRegornobacktick++
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tantek there we go
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tantek all the "barriers to owning a domain" arguments are missing the point
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tantek the barrier is irrelevant - it's already lower than buying a cellphone/cell#
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tantek it's the usefulness
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aaronpk buying a phone number is super easy though. Just go to twilio.com ;)
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tantek and on the otherhand, we *want* some barrier as compared to say Twitter, because it means fewer sockpuppet / spam / attacker accounts
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tallpaul also you can but a prepaid phone with cash
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tallpaul I'm not sure you can do that with a top-level domain
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tallpaul this was an actual barrier with me for a long time
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tantek tallpaul - it's non-trivial to buy a prepaid phone with cash - so much so that I'd say citation needed.
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tallpaul since I didn't have a credit card
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tantek I have heard some domain registrars take bitcoin now (don't have a citation offhand, hearsay)
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tallpaul Maybe in the US, you can go into any number of places in the UK and but a pre-paid sim card/phone
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kylewm "burners" right?
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tantek tallpaul - yeah, likely a UK feature
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tallpaul at least you could when I still lived there
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tantek but in the US, good luck
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aaronpk i've seen phones on the shelves at like target, but haven't tried buying/activating one
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aaronpk would be an interesting experiment
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tallpaul I don't know if I actually paid cash(I think my wife brought it for me) but thats how I got my first phone in the US
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aaronpk now I want to try that. maybe i'll go do that at lunch today
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gRegor` Namecheap accepts bitcoin
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gRegor` That really doesn't affect the /domain_privacy issue though
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tallpaul though I think I've pointed this out before, tumblr will give you a domain for free, aonoymously
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tantek subdomain
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tallpaul all domains are subdomains of .
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tallpaul there is just typically a limit to what you can do with them
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tallpaul if you trust me I to resolve disputes I will give you one for free with very little limits on what you can do with it
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tantek tallpaul: no. in typical conversation TLDs are distinguished from subdomains of TLDs.
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tallpaul I know, but I don't think the indiewebcase needs to distinguish
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tantek I think it does, because it's a matter of ownership, which is a matter of independence.
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tantek you don't own subdomains of tumblr or blogger. they do, and they've given them away before too.
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aaronpk i guess the point is you don't really have ownership of any domain, which is made obvious by cases like vb.ly
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tallpaul sure, but you don't own tld;s really either
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tantek aaronpk - see previous debunking of such absolutist arguments.
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aaronpk but in most practical circumstances you can treat 2lds as being owned
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tantek same with you tallpaul.
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tantek you have far more control over a TLD than any silo subdomain
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aaronpk absolutest thinking is never a good idea
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kylewm aaronpk++
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tallpaul I don't dispute that, but a TLD is not an absolute requirement. its easy enough to imagine a non-profit that exists to give way free sub domains and act as a regulator for them
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tantek as stated previously: https://twitter.com/t/status/542814233919234049
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@t Absolute comparison arguments are of little utility. E.g. * two sides to … * either … or * fair & balanced #spectrums (ttk.me t4Z_1) (twitter.com/_/status/542814233919234049)
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tantek tallpaul - and we can dismiss such imaginations as hypothetical until there is some evidence of something real world worth considering.
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kylewm why doesn't such a non-profit TLD exist?
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tantek until then, a TLD is more independent than any subdomain.
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aaronpk because it costs a ton to get a TLD
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tantek substantially more
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tantek that cost, however minimal is a good barrier
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tantek for the reasons already stated
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tallpaul there are non=profit tlds, I think .coop
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tallpaul \
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kylewm oh but tantek were you saying a non-profit TLD or a non-profit that just gives out subdomains of their regular domain name?
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tallpaul a non profit needn't be a tld though
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tantek tallpaul: meh, more handwaving
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tallpaul sure, but you still haven't countered the real life exapmle of people woh can gat a phone number but don't have a credit card i.e. me unitl quite recently
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kylewm there's also https://github.com/jden/dotbutts
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kylewm (which is silly)
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tantek tallpaul - see above, you can use bitcoin to get a domain. not the same as cash, but certainly satsfies "don't have a credit card"
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tallpaul how do I get the bitcoin?
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tantek I feel like that's a bitcoin FAQ - just google it.
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KartikPrabhu reading back I am confused. what is the main question/issue?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: you're not confused, it's mostly useless discussion.
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KartikPrabhu there seems to be some talk about buying things, but that is not the point of indieweb at all
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tantek what is the point of indieweb?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "point of indieweb" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=point+of+indieweb
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KartikPrabhu ha!
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tantek there you go
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KartikPrabhu yup this "We should be the holders of our own data."
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KartikPrabhu more layers you put between yourself and your data the more you lose control. So on that spectrum TLDs are much better than subdomains
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tallpaul I don't think anyones disputing that
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KartikPrabhu ok so what was the dispute/discussion?
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tantek the absolutist arguments were attempting to trivialize it
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tantek KartikPrabhu: good question
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KartikPrabhu tantek: hence I said spectrum :)
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KartikPrabhu seems everyone agrees!
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tantek KartikPrabhu: the point is there is pretty big step function between silo subdomain and TLD
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes, particularly with most subdomains given out by silos
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KartikPrabhu known subdomains smooth it a bit IMO
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KartikPrabhu s/known/withknown
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: withknown subdomains smooth it a bit IMO
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tantek KartikPrabhu: is that because of our trust of the Known team, or because there is a stated transition policy from Known subdomains to your own TLD (presumably with Known installed) ?
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tantek I'd expect to see at least a permalink redirect commitment as part of that - which I don't know if exists or not.
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KartikPrabhu good point
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tantek Nor do I know of any other silo that has such a commitment. Export is only one (small) piece of the puzzle.
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aaronpk hey that's a great thing for /friendly
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tantek aaronpk, good point
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KevinMarks .uk doesn't offer privacy afaik - they require a Uk address, and make it visible
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KevinMarks that was my experience
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KevinMarks (using hover, who offer free domain privacy by default)
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kylewm KevinMarks: yeah conflicting information about .co.uk from mapkyca and ShaneHudson in that thread
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aaronpk .co.uk != .uk
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KevinMarks this was .me.uk - also tried to get the .uk but the prexisting .co.uk has precedence
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tantek aaronpk, looks like we already had "Provide HTTP redirects if users want to change their domain name" - cleaning up /friendly now
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KevinMarks Marco said that tumblr was designed to make it harder to dox users on purpose: http://www.marco.org/2015/01/09/a-teenagers-view-on-social-media
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aaronpk oh good
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tallpaul The linked article also specifically calls out anononymity and disposable identity are features of tumblr
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@kevinmarks “I’d hate to ever have a world in which traditional social networks are the only option…” @marcoarment http://www.marco.org/2015/01/09/a-teenagers-view-on-social-media #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/554735177805475840)
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tantek aaronpk, per your poke, I rewrote a bunch of http://indiewebcamp.com/friendly - please review!
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aaronpk oo
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Loqi [mention] http://thecryptosphere.com/2015/01/12/cluetrain-2-0-the-new-cluetrain-manifesto/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Principles (pingback)
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tantek !tell benwerd I updated http://indiewebcamp.com/friendly a bunch - would appreciate your review from the perspective of withknown.com - are these requests reasonable? how well does withknown support them?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed I'm late to the game... but re paying for things and credit cards, in case anyone's interested, here's some practical research: https://snarfed.org/privacy_through_prepaid_credit_cards
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kylewm snarfed: and yet https://snarfed.org/2014-11-25_11746
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snarfed kylewm: yes! lol. it's a personal hobby; i don't try to impose it on the family
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snarfed (more in https://snarfed.org/2011-08-03_why_im_weird_about_privacy )
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kylewm I did not know you went to such lengths, very interesting article
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benwerd_ I love this.
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snarfed i definitely don't recommend it
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Loqi benwerd_: tantek left you a message 45 minutes ago: I updated http://indiewebcamp.com/friendly a bunch - would appreciate your review from the perspective of withknown.com - are these requests reasonable? how well does withknown support them?
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snarfed but hey, hard to choose your passions
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benwerd_ Makes me wonder if there's a market for privacy-orientated payment cards, and if so, exactly how quickly such a service would get shut down
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snarfed thanks benwerd!
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snarfed benwerd: the patriot act has mostly already fought it... and then bitcoin arrived
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benwerd_ tantek: Very reasonable, and I think we support all of them (except for rel=canonical, but we'll fix that when we release Known-to-Known syndication more publicly)
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benwerd_ It's a good nudge because we're looking at releasing some "friendly" services ourselves (which obviously will be _very_ friendly)
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aaronpk iiinteresting? what does that mean?
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benwerd_ We've learned that there are some serious shortcomings to shared hosts. So we're thinking about layering services so that people get to use some cool web stuff that wouldn't otherwise be possible (while still owning all their content etc).
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aaronpk ah cool. along the links of webmention.io or indieauth.com? (non-identity-providing services)
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benwerd_ and bridgy, come to that. yeah, stuff that you wouldn't be able to do normally without a queue server, or a websockets server, or ... etc.
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benwerd_ otherwise everyone is restricted by whatever you can run on dreamhost, which isn't a great situation for anyone.
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aaronpk cool, looking forward to seeing what you come up with :)
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benwerd_ :)
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ben_thatmustbeme hey
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ben_thatmustbeme benwerd_ by the way, i had found some plugins for cordova that will supposedly encode to some compressed format rather than wav when recording on iOS
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benwerd_ nice.
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benwerd_ In my copious spare time, I want to start playing with that.
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benwerd_ Thanks!
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ben_thatmustbeme my phone seems to do both in mp4, i don't know if thats cordova doing it or just a coincidence (apparently all android phones do different things)
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@andkjaer Social Media Jobs: Glow, Boxfish, ‘Consumer Reports’ >> http://allfacebook.com/?p=137217&utm_content=buffer09f9e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Nadine Cheung. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/554757976943493122)
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KartikPrabhu irrelevant ^
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tantek checks the logs
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barryf GWG thanks for helping me discover Pushover (from yesterday's logs). I've set it up to send push notifications for new webmentions.
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tantek what is Glow?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Glow" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Glow
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tantek wow that really has nothing to do with indieauth or indieauthor
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tantek but @andkjaer seems like a real person and only a few hundred tweets despite having been on Twitter for four years.
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tantek hmm though he does seem to be spamming the IndieAuthor hashtag a lot which seems to have nothing to do with it
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tantek aaronpk - want to reply to him from @indie_auth asking him why he is hashtagging so many non-indie things as indieauth or indieauthor?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: indieauthor also mean "independent authors" i.e. people who self-publish on the web
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tantek sure - yet none of those tweets with that hashtag have links to independent publishing
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@GlobalRevLive VIDEO #indieweb an important idea for networked self publishing see @withknown what @benwerd & @erinjo up to http://vimeo.com/116348410 #Media (twitter.com/_/status/554763414837665792)
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tantek see now that's more like it
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KartikPrabhu :)
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tantek hmm found an actual interesting article from that guy's twitter
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tantek http://allfacebook.com/janrain-social-logins-4q-2014_b137199
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tantek short version: G+ login stats appear to be approaching FB login. (40 vs. 43%)
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tantek this image is particularly telling: http://allfacebook.com/files/2015/01/Janrain4Q2014SocialLoginTrends.jpg
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aaronpk wow
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snarfed tantek: i'd be curious to see absolute numbers. if we're talking MMs of people, than maybe that's representative…but i have no idea what market share janrain's libs have
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aaronpk maybe some day "IndieAuth" will be on there
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tantek snarfed - indeed, questioning the methodology is reasonable
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snarfed also, minor nit: if we're talking UX, those users are probably logging into "Google," not "Google+"…but minor point
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snarfed (only difference is the user mental model, but still)
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tantek somehow I thought that was all consolidated
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snarfed plumbing yes. i'm just saying the button probably says "Log in with Google," not "Google+"
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snarfed again though, very minor point
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snarfed interesting regardless!
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benwerd_ Anecdotally, I've definitely seen an uptick in "log in with your Google account" sites.
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tantek aaronpk - rather than having "IndieAuth" as part of the chart - an IndieAuth *chart* (i.e. how are people logging into indieauth) would be far more interesting!
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KartikPrabhu the proliferation of Gmail helps that
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tantek nevermind Janrain libs, here's IndieAuth!
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aaronpk I could certainly generate a chart of stats from indieauth.com
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tantek you could report stats on a monthly/quarterly basis and make a big social media spalsh ;)
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tantek s/spalsh/splash
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Loqi tantek meant to say: you could report stats on a monthly/quarterly basis and make a big social media splash ;)
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tantek especially if your chart disagrees with JanRain
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KevinMarks_ I wonder how much of that is due to android making it easy to log in with Google
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Forgot if I asked: are you on for HWC Wednesday?
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tantek hooray Matthew Levine is using the wiki again!
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: yes on
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gRegor` woo!