#indiewebcamp 2015-01-14

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@RikMende RT @aaronpk: Owning My Data in 2014 #indieweb http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2015/01/04/1/owning-my-data-in-2014 (twitter.com/_/status/555154410108911616)
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@RikMende RT @aaronpk: I am now publishing favorites on my website! https://aaronparecki.com/likes If your site supports Micropub... #indieweb (http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/555154443545903106)
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GWG pwcc: Can I pick your brain while you are around?
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pwcc GWG, fire away.
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@alohastone Webmentions and Wordpress | lights, camera, hike http://jml.is/2014/09/webmentions-and-wordpress/ (twitter.com/_/status/555157867574345729)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@alohastone notizBlog #webmentions #wordpress http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/ via @pfefferle (twitter.com/_/status/555158276758061056)
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GWG pwcc: I'm having trouble with some code in the Indieweb Post Kinds plugin, would you be able to help?
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GWG pwcc: I've tried other venues, but so far, no one has been able to figure it out
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Loqi [bridgy] Rick Mendes favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Indie_Term_Re-use (https://twitter.com/t/status/555115245405229056)
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pwcc GWG: Can take a quick look, sure.
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Acidnerd probably sure it's already being thought about, i was thinking about this tonight multiprofile indieweb android app but http://blog.rmendes.net/2015/we-need-a-multi-profile-indiewebindieauth-android-app-indieweb
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GWG pwcc: I'm trying to get a default taxonomy term set if no term is selected in the box. But the code isn't defaulting
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GWG Also, if you want to try the plugin in general, feedback is always appreciated on any of my projects. I want to make them better
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pwcc GWG: are you wanting to do it https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-taxonomy/blob/master/kind-postmeta.php#L34 or on in the function beginning on line 58 of the same file?
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GWG pwcc: I was trying to do it by adding the following the function beginning on L58
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GWG $terms = wp_get_post_terms( $post->id, 'kind');
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GWG if ( empty( $terms ) )
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GWG { wp_set_post_terms( $post_id, 'note', 'kind', true ); }
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@alohastone Das war ja vielleicht ein Akt. Aber es läuft endlich, und will nur noch durchgestyled werden. #webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/555162041401741312)
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@kevinmarks RT @aaronpk: I am now publishing favorites on my website! https://aaronparecki.com/likes If your site supports Micropub... #indieweb (http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/555162459787784192)
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@mahemoff RT @aaronpk: I am now publishing favorites on my website! https://aaronparecki.com/likes If your site supports Micropub... #indieweb (http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/555162778197958656)
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pwcc GWG: in the wp_get_post_terms line $post->id should probably be $post_id
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GWG pwcc: I tried it both ways
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GWG pwcc: I'm stumped
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pwcc GWG: nothing else is jumping out, sorry.
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pwcc GWG: maybe try wp_set_object_terms
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pwcc GWG: but really clutching at straws. I think it's pretty much an alias.
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GWG pwcc: It is. the post version just limits to the 'post' post type.
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GWG pwcc: Oh well
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pwcc GWG: if count( $terms ) === 0 maybe
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pwcc GWG: sorry i'm not been much use, at work so limited to ideas rather than testing.
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pwcc GWG: although empty should get that.
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@veganstraightedge Again, to be clear ind.ie has nothing to do with @indiewebcamp or the #indieweb. http://aaronparecki.com/collections/2015/01/13/1/indie (twitter.com/_/status/555167308386029569)
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GWG pwcc: I tried it without the conditional entirely. It didn't work
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kylewm Acidnerd: actually not much work has been done around multiple identities. several people have said they consider more than one site to be their "primary personal site"
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kylewm Acidnerd: the indieauth solution is generally to use e.g. Indieauth+Github to authorize one site and Indieauth+ Twitter to auth the other
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pwcc GWG: Have you tried with the save_post & publish_post running at the default (10, I think) rather than at 5?
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aaronpk kylewm: I use GPG to sign in to things as indiewebcat.com
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pwcc GWG: The post id may not be known - although I think that would be silly
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kylewm aaronpk: destroying the illusion man
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GWG pwcc: Did that too
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GWG pwcc: And it is known, because in the previous line, I'm using it to update post_meta
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aaronpk er, I mean,
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aaronpk Dora has her own GPG collar
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kylewm :D
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GWG aaronpk: I have to laugh....I'm sorry.
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pwcc don't spoil the magic.
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pwcc GWG: I'm out of ideas, sorry.
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aaronpk she does actually have her own Misfit shine
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aaronpk http://indiec.at/n4Zu2
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pwcc GWG: I'll have a tinker and see if I can figure something out.
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pdurbin kylewm: how's the android development going?
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KartikPrabhu Acidnerd: kylewm: if one wants to use 2 websites then one can. You'll have to have indieauth setup on both. I don't see the problem? Profile switching in an "app" is to be handled by the app. Don't see the multiple-website issue
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aaronpk yeah, it's not really a "problem," you just do it
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KartikPrabhu just like there are "apps" that hold both your Twitter and G+ or whatever
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GWG pwcc: Thank you. I'm just stumped.
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GWG pwcc: I realized when we had a WordPress newbie here that I want to accelerate making it easier.
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GWG I think making WordPress Indieweb capable should be as easy as click and install
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KevinMarks__ https://quip.com/rcLXASq4IbIj note the penultimate one
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KevinMarks__ Gwg++
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aaronpk ha! now we have both indie and homebrew VCs!
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@amblin RT @t: Despite names, ind.ie&indie.vc are NOT #indieweb @indiewebcamp http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Indie_Term_Re-use @iainspad @sashtown @thomatronic (ttk.me t4_81) (twitter.com/_/status/555182654979833856)
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KartikPrabhu err what?
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aaronpk http://indie.vc http://homebrew.co
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KartikPrabhu is homebrew for beer?
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KartikPrabhu bleh! monospace text block!
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Loqi [bridgy] Matthew Gregg retweeted a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Indie_Term_Re-use (https://twitter.com/amblin/status/555182654979833856)
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GWG KevinMarks__: Can you explain the Eventbrite thing?
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Loqi [bridgy] Brett Slatkin favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Indie_Term_Re-use (https://twitter.com/t/status/555115245405229056)
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pwcc GWG++ yeah, simple indieweb is a really nice idea, a great goal.
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GWG pwcc: So what is missing?
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GWG We have webmentions, semantic linkbacks, response/interactions in Indieweb Post Kinds...
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GWG Rel-syndication in Syndication Links or WordPress Syndication
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GWG A full theme in SemPress, and a starter theme I'm working on called mf2_s.
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pwcc GWG: micropub endpoint, indieauth maybe
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GWG pwcc: There is an indieauth plugin. What do you mean?
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pwcc GWG: drukn.
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pwcc GWG: I had somehow missed that last time I went searching.
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Loqi [bridgy] Ben Michel favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Indie_Term_Re-use (https://twitter.com/t/status/555115245405229056)
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@phae RT @t: Despite names, ind.ie&indie.vc are NOT #indieweb @indiewebcamp http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Indie_Term_Re-use @iainspad @sashtown @thomatronic (ttk.me t4_81) (twitter.com/_/status/555207075022635008)
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Loqi [bridgy] Frances Berriman retweeted a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Indie_Term_Re-use (https://twitter.com/phae/status/555207075022635008)
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snarfed pwcc++ for noting that we're still missing micropub for wordpress
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Loqi pwcc has 3 karma
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snarfed it's been on my todo list for during paternity leave, and i still might, but i'm really the wrong person to do it
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aaronpk I am also sadly the wrong person to do it
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aaronpk As much as I want it to exist
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GWG snarfed, aaronpk: I was thinking that the JSON REST API in WordPress 4.1 would get me half the way there
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snarfed GWG: really? why?
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GWG snarfed: I thought extending it would be easier than starting from scratch.
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snarfed GWG: hmm, maybe. the APIs don't overlap though, right?
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snarfed regardless, sure, could help
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tantek benwerd++ for fixing the errant p-photo markup in Known!
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Loqi tantek: benwerd left you a message 4 hours, 52 minutes ago: Thanks for the photo prods - haven't updated my own site yet. Making so many changes that I'm waiting until the end of the day.
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GWG snarfed: It is possible without it. But there would be a lot of pieces.
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snarfed GWG: hmm, maybe.
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snarfed the other catch is, afaik the REST API requires oauth for every request, right?
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snarfed and micropub has its own different auth
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GWG snarfed: That is correct.
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kylewm there's some non-zero chance that you could use massage wordpress's oauth to work with micropub auth
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GWG kylewm: Has anyone written micropub in php?
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kylewm of course!
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gRegor` Launched my simplified comment display. I'm liking it better. http://gregorlove.com/2014/02/1180/
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gRegor` http://gregorlove.com/2014/02/1180/#comments
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: why do some missing avatars have alt text and other don't?
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kylewm I like it gRegor`
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gRegor` I think you mean the local blog comments, which don't have an avatar.
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gRegor` First two are local comments.
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gRegor` Joel's is a bridgy wm
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KartikPrabhu aah I see. gotcha
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gRegor` Still going back and forth about "likes this" "favorited this" and "retweeted this"
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gRegor` Interesting. webvatar falls back to google chart api to show the domain name as an image, e.g. http://webvatar.com/tylerfontaine.me
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gRegor` Unfortunately that won't look good at 50px
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GWG snarfed: If anyone wanted me to work on it with them, I'd try.
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snarfed GWG: great!
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pwcc Disappear for 60minutes and great plans are afoot.
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GWG pwcc: You want in?
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pwcc GWG: might sit it out, not sure I have enough time at the moment.
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pwcc GWG: happy to look at a shared repo & submit the occasional pull request though./
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GWG I don't think I'm up to being the leader on tht.
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pwcc GWG: we can't _all_ have imposter syndrome.
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pwcc GWG: TBH, I'm time poor at the moment so can't commit to doing anything big.
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GWG pwcc: I'm working on a lot of other things.
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GWG I'm not sure if it is imposter syndrome if I'm really not that good.
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pwcc GWG: Y, I think we all think that :D
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GWG I think I'm getting better. But I'm nowhere near where I'd like to be."
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pwcc GWG: I will look at Ben's form & think about WP data
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GWG pwcc: Well, part of the problem is that WordPress doesn't have replies...unless you add my plugin. Which means you have dependencies.
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pwcc GWG: Correct. Outside of http://codex.wordpress.org/Geodata there's not rules around how data shoukd be stored either.
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GWG pwcc: I use geodata in a plugin in that format.
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pwcc Is there an iOS micropub client in the works.
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tantek huh, I just created 58 like posts in a row
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tantek and am about to mass publish them, but because I "only" show most recent 42 posts on my home page, they won't all show up there
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tantek this whole posting likes on my own site is drastically affecting my posting behavior
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tantek and making me rethink how many "recent posts" I should put on my site
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tantek from 20 to 32 to 42 to now … 64 ?
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GWG Maybe you want a different display for them? Outside the normal flow?
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tantek that's the thing, no problem with display since I cluster adjacent likes!
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tantek also - "outside normal flow" was already studied by Facebook and found to be *LESS* user-effiicient / user-friendly
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tantek now let's see what happens with Falcon when I update with +58 posts at once!
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tantek well nothing broke
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tantek however - wow - that's one long cluster of likes: http://tantek.com/
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tantek now for some bridgy action
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KartikPrabhu response to ind.ie fiasco from earlier: https://twitter.com/lukew/status/555246011078029312 ?
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@lukew Being focused doesn't mean only doing one thing. It means all the things you do support a clear, well-defined purpose. (twitter.com/_/status/555246011078029312)
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pwcc tantek is it possible for each cluster to count as one post in Falcon?
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pwcc In terms of pagination that is, tantek?
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KartikPrabhu was going to make same suggestion ^
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KartikPrabhu also a better display of clustered likes would be good. In the current format, it is hard to distinguish the diff. likes immediately. Maybe a more list-like like display?
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tantek pwcc - will consider different pagination approaches
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tantek KartikPrabhu: except that a list of tweets would still take up too much vertical space
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tantek the goal is the opposite - to cluster / compress even more
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tantek so that you don't have to scroll as much
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KartikPrabhu hmmm but then it is sort of hard to read
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tantek GWG - I "liked" this post https://david.shanske.com/2014/12/27/indieweb-2014-end-year-summary/ but don't see any display of likes or comments on your post
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tantek did that get dropped? or never implemented?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yeah I get the readability challenge - hence I need to keep iterating on clusterd likes presentation
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KartikPrabhu nods
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GWG tantek: Moderated.
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tantek but heck - I'm experimenting with it in public :)
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tantek GWG - drat, even likes?!?
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GWG tantek: No choice there
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GWG WordPress sees likes as comments
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GWG It's on my list somewhere.
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GWG I approved it
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GWG I wanted to implement some auto-approvals.
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tantek darn, the timeouts on pingbacks setting in WordPress means I can't webmention "like" Dan Gillmor's article http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/
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GWG tantek: You mean, close after X days?
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tantek yes - I'm getting a 403 trying to do a webmention
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tantek with some message like that
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GWG Not uncommon to set it up for older documents.
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tantek aaronpk - I just got rejected by your webmention endpoint
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tantek used your form
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tantek http://tantek.com/2015/013/f19 -> http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2015/01/04/1/owning-my-data-in-2014
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tantek "The webmention finished processing but there was an error."
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tantek "Error: no_mention_found \ \ No link was found from source to target"
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tantek also sent a webmention like to http://wordius.com/jekyll-and-the-indieweb/ but appears I'm in moderation there too :/
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KartikPrabhu tantek: should have sent a vouch ;)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tantek Çelik favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://twitter.com/julien51/status/553275513691967488)
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tantek !tell ben_thatmust looks like your post https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/1/11/1/ is claiming to 202 a webmention attempt, but it never shows up: http://tantek.com/2015/013/f40
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [bridgy] Tantek Çelik favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (https://twitter.com/adactio/status/553600401757704192)
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almereyda wow
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tantek alright, took me far too long to manually webmention with forms and/or Bridgy to POSSE to Twitter 58 likes in a row
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tantek clearly that's an itch that needs to be scratched
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tantek but not tonight
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almereyda tantek: may http://wiki.transformap.co/wiki/TransforLab be a case to help you out?
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tantek almereyda: doubtful - nothing to do with webmention or POSSE in top of that page
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tantek lots of jargon though!
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almereyda Thanks for the reminder. Has to be rewritten until April 2015, so there's time to calibrate.
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tantek almereyda: I don't understand the purpose of that page / URL / site - but that's ok, don't need to. Is that a personal site? is it yours?
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tantek on the bright side
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tantek I think 60 posts on my own site in a day is a new personal record: http://tantek.com/2015/013/
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almereyda Text is seeded and Infrastructure maintained by me. TransforMap is the initial cause.
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tantek well cool then and welcome
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almereyda We just want to scale up with some help from the European Comission.
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tantek almereyda: add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people !
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almereyda yeah, #indieweb almost felt cold.
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tantek that's why I autojoin that too - just in case someone pops up there accidentally
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tantek (i.e. there are no links to that channel anywhere on the web - so only "guessing" folks find it)
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tantek if you start at indiewebcamp.com - you find the right things
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almereyda It's already autojoined, but inscription will be postponed until I feel myself more "A list of IRC regulars"
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tantek anyway - no matter
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tantek go ahead and add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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tantek it's a good exercise :)
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almereyda mäh. *feedingmydogsownfoot* or something. But this will certainly be the last thing tonight. This morning. Whatever.
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almereyda tantek: Okay, I'm decided. My tast for #IndieWeb in a #TransforLab context is the gender/queer issue.
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almereyda -t+k
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Loqi [bridgy] Natalie Downe favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review#Indie_Term_Re-use (https://twitter.com/t/status/555115245405229056)
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@t On the positive side, posted a record 60+ posts on my own #indieweb site today. Mostly with #ownyourlikes, ... http://tantek.com/2015/013/t3/positive-record-posts-indieweb-ownyourlikes (twitter.com/_/status/555264344410566656)
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@ayirpelle RT @t: On the positive side, posted a record 60+ posts on my own #indieweb site today. Mostly with #ownyourlikes, ... http://tantek.com/2015/013/t3/positive-record-posts-indieweb-ownyourlikes (twitter.com/_/status/555264513365528576)
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@7lsmet RT @t: On the positive side, posted a record 60+ posts on my own #indieweb site today. Mostly with #ownyourlikes, ... http://tantek.com/2015/013/t3/positive-record-posts-indieweb-ownyourlikes (twitter.com/_/status/555264888625713153)
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tantek I just bumped my home page to showing most recent 100 posts, now that I'm posting so many likes
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tantek could folks try going to tantek.com and tell me if takes more than a second to load and display?
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tantek (I'm seeing load/display times of under a second, just wanted confirmation - my home network is not that fast either)
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KevinMarks_ Seems fast to me
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tantek KevinMarks: in under 64k bytes :)
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tantek I'll say that again, 100 posts, <64k bytes.
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KevinMarks_ We can test it tomorrow if you do your usual like carpet bombing of my hwc tweets
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KartikPrabhu tantek: 0.99s for full load including most images
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tantek KartikPrabhu: boom :)
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bear 634ms load - 23 requests for 131KB
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tantek yeah - that # of requests is nothing to be proud of
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KartikPrabhu bear: what the hell kind of moster connection are you on?
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KartikPrabhu s/moster/monster
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: bear: what the hell kind of monster connection are you on?
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bear a comcast network in an area with older folks who don't do the internet :)
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tantek however - flat file FTW
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KartikPrabhu bear: :D
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KevinMarks_ That's more posts than I have on my site.
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tantek KevinMarks: and the page is built dynamically from flat file storage *on every load*
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KartikPrabhu hopes to get such performance on his file-storage
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almereyda s/tast/task
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KevinMarks_ Though presumably your flat files are cached by the file system
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tantek KevinMarks: better than that - I'm doing only *three* file read operations to build those 100 posts.
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tantek two bim storage files and one index.html template to fill in
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tantek oh I suppose two more reads for falcon.php and cassis.js
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KartikPrabhu whaaaa! neat. so you put all posts in one big file?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I've told you that before. one file per bim
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KartikPrabhu oh hmm yeah i recall now
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Storage_format
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KartikPrabhu hmm I am putting each post in its own file... might have to look into performance
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KevinMarks_ Each post to my site is a Heroku deploy, which is not fast enough for that posting rate
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tantek KartikPrabhu: indeed - one file per post is too much I/O overhead
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almereyda tantek: good night says 08:45 . I'm going to swim in my self-fed http://socio.federated.wiki/t/thought-soup/21 ...
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Loqi ciao
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tantek KevinMarks: each post to my site is an scp ;)
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almereyda Loqi: Ciao you too.
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Loqi grins profusely
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almereyda thinks no one ever uses /me in IRC > Disguised.
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KevinMarks_ Tantek, did you see https://quip.com/rcLXASq4IbIj
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KevinMarks_ Homebrew VCs want your contact page as a startup
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tantek KevinMarks_: meh - VCs wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it
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tantek they'd just screw it up with their meddling
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tantek get paid to compromise a non-user-centric design and fail slowly
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KevinMarks_ Why can't I communicate with a friend or colleague on any service without knowing the right “name” if I know  them in real life or on another service? Shouldn't I be able to control who can call me after 7pm or on weekends or set a preference for always accepting calls from my wife, partner of company CEOs? Someone please create a universal addressing system, a human DNS of sorts. - SP 
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tantek KevinMarks_: that sounds like they'd pay for that service
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KevinMarks_ That last sentence is great
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tantek maybe I should launch a premium execs-only version of about-me
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tantek 1k/yr sub
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tantek KevinMarks: https://twitter.com/t/status/555270750551429120 :)
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@t new home page * 100 posts via flat bim files * <64KB HTML * <1s page load no DB XHR ∞scroll needed beat that, silos :) (ttk.me t4_84) (twitter.com/_/status/555270750551429120)
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KevinMarks_ Only for .ceo domains
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tantek also - this is a bit of challenge for the DB crowd (especially WP)
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tantek can you generate / display your home page with 100 most recent posts in <64kb in <1s ?
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KevinMarks_ Blogger can meet it I think
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tantek KevinMarks_: ooh - yeah, Blogger might.
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tantek since it's old enough!
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tantek (to be efficient)
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tantek (and isn't all janked up with tons of crazy JS)
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KevinMarks_ And Google optimise response time well
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tantek KevinMarks_: hah no
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KevinMarks_ Or did in that era
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tantek vast majority of Google sites / queries take >1s to load
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tantek Google's web sites / apps are kind of a joke now perf wise
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KevinMarks_ Talking of jokes: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/555256929900331008?s=09
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@kevinmarks I'll think about timezones later #FiveWordsToRuinADate #FiveWordsToRuinADateTimeStamp (twitter.com/_/status/555256929900331008)
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KartikPrabhu "Firefox support is in an early stage. Chrome is recommended for best results." oh really! tell me how that works?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: KevinMarks_ the new Blogger "themes" are all JS so there goes that
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KevinMarks_ That was a big derp
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KartikPrabhu here is my test "blog" for those: http://exptdesign.blogspot.com/ 4 posts, 1.2MB, 22 requests 3.18s !
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KartikPrabhu err 5 posts
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tantek KartikPrabhu: hahaha nothing loads with NoScript on that blogger blog http://exptdesign.blogspot.com/
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KartikPrabhu tantek: of course it doesn't! :P
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tantek KevinMarks I take it back, Blogger is dead to the web
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tantek (new Blogger at least)
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KevinMarks_ My blog with the old templates is pretty fast
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ true. also you can still use older templates instead of the new "dynamic views" nonsense
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aaronpk tantek: I'm confused as well about why my site rejected your webmention
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aaronpk the only thing I can think of is that you originally had linked to the http URL but sent the https URL as the target
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tantek aaronpk - I think it was my error - I linked to the http not https version at first
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tantek fixed now
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tantek but I think your site is supposed to accept that
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tantek per following redirects
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tantek as spec in /webmention
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aaronpk I dunno I'm getting 250ms output of the HTML of my home page (10 posts) and I have one file per post. I'll have to time it with a page that has more than 10 files to read
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aaronpk 223ms for the giant collections post which has to read all the individual tweets from their own files
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aaronpk premium 1k/yr "about.me" pages is totally possible. i've gotta dig up this link
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aaronpk tantek: I don't redirect http->https yet because I haven't solved mixed-content warnings.
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aaronpk should I be accepting webmentions when the source URL doesn't match the linked URL anyway?
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tantek if you're not redirecting then nm
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tantek I thought you were
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tantek or if you serve from both http and https then you should be accept webmentions on both
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aaronpk even if the scheme doesn't match?
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tantek hmm - only if a redirect fixes such a mismatch
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aaronpk if a redirect *would have* fixed the mismatch if the redirect had been in place even if it isn't?
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tantek strictly speaking. though better practices may be possible.
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aaronpk I'm inclined to say yes
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KevinMarks I got an https error from Tantek's site
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aaronpk i don't think tantek's site is served via https
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KevinMarks Ok
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tantek KevinMarks: I have a self-signed cert I use for my admin UI
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tantek per https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security
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aaronpk tantek: any reason you aren't upgrading that to a free startssl cert?
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aaronpk it's about as difficult as a self-signed cert
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tantek too much to read in the instructions on /https ?
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aaronpk hmm... how to fix that...
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aaronpk most of that page doesn't apply if you aren't running your own web server
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aaronpk in other words, most of that is handled by the web host
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tantek so not obvious to the casual reader
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aaronpk maybe that page should be split into two sections: 1) getting an SSL cert and 2) using/installing the SSL cert
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tantek I'm tempted to send this to jaffathecake privately: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=from%3A%40aral%20fuck%20off&src=typd
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tantek social media pro-tip: avoid telling people to "f*** off" - it doesn't really get you advocates.
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tantek aaronpk - any ideas / suggestions for simplifying the /https page are greatly appreciated.
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KartikPrabhu oh man! aral is so damn pissed off at the slightest criticism!
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@glennjones Decided to try some new places and web events this year, just got tickets for @btconf and @indiewebcamp in Dusseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/555293132267737088)
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@btconf @glennjones @indiewebcamp heya. Welcome on board. I hope you are going to like it. (twitter.com/_/status/555309421673603072)
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@IndieHosters RT @dickolsson: I really love the concept behind @IndieHosters. Maybe I should become one myself?... #IndieWeb #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/555310512171679744)
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@atomsoffice RT dickolsson: I really love the concept behind IndieHosters. Maybe I should become one myself?... #IndieWeb #privacy Protect Americans' ... (twitter.com/_/status/555311725973897216)
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@atomsoffice RT dickolsson: I really love the concept behind IndieHosters. Maybe I should become one myself?... #IndieWeb #privacy Protect Americans' ... (twitter.com/_/status/555311915044704256)
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@eris_ltd RT @dickolsson: I really love the concept behind @IndieHosters. Maybe I should become one myself?... #IndieWeb #privacy (twitter.com/_/status/555314841402212352)
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@atomsoffice RT dickolsson: I really love the concept behind IndieHosters. Maybe I should become one myself?... #IndieWeb #privacy Protect Americans' ... (twitter.com/_/status/555315855647846401)
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@atomsoffice RT dickolsson: I really love the concept behind IndieHosters. Maybe I should become one myself?... #IndieWeb #privacy Protect Americans' ... (twitter.com/_/status/555316534336577536)
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Loqi [bridgy] Aral Balkan replied '@aaronpk Disappointed to see this reaction from you, Aaron. A fun collection indeed. +@iainspad' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ind.ie#not-indieweb (https://twitter.com/aral/status/555320875348934656)
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Loqi [bridgy] petermolnar favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ind.ie#not-indieweb (https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/555111508385234945)
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Loqi [bridgy] Matthias Pfefferle favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ind.ie#not-indieweb (https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/555111508385234945)
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petermolnar pfefferle I merged your wp-ffpc request
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petermolnar the reason for the error messages is that everything that is considered to be important not just additional information/debug is sent with warning level and those nearly always get through
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@alohastone Guck, Mama, ich hab Tweets als Kommentare in meinem Blog! Wie geil ist das? #nerdlife #wordpress #webmentions http://www.alohastone.com/2015/01/13/warum-ich-auf-manche-freiheiten-gerne-verzichte/#comments (twitter.com/_/status/555357549634265089)
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GWG pfefferle: Hoping to see more of you in future. Glad to have you back.
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@danlyke Too many choices for this evening: Hack Sonoma, or IndieWebCamp/Homebrew Website Club? (twitter.com/_/status/555373183311028224)
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@DebbieKennett RT @salisburymw: I hope my #BRCA testing saga helps to shed light on the problems facing genetic testing. #ownyourdata @techonomy http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/555391558661734400)
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Loqi [mention] David Mead commented 'What's with the #365daysofme photos? 1 min read I wanted to do something, a day at a time....' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/pesos (http://blog.davidjohnmead.com/2015/whats-with-the-365daysofme-photos)
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@kevinmarks “We need a data system that is radically decentralised & secure…you should own [your data]” http://evgenymorozov.tumblr.com/post/107976715275/my-oped-in-ft @evgenymorozov #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/555397555769442304)
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Loqi [bridgy] Aaron Parecki replied '@aral I'm sorry, fun was not the right word. I was just disappointed to see your reaction to the fallout from the announcement' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ind.ie#not-indieweb (https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/555397128898363392)
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Loqi [bridgy] Aaron Parecki replied '@aral I will go update my post to say disappointing rather than fun, which I can do because my replies are on my own website.' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/ind.ie#not-indieweb (https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/555397458239307777)
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aaronpk oh wow bridgy just found my replies feed and is catching up
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pfefferle GWG++ :)
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Loqi GWG has 49 karma
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Loqi [mention] Rick Mendes commented 'Ind.ie might be more radical on his theoretical approach but it remains to be seen where it actually goes. let's say it's another thing to k...' on a post https://indiewebcamp.com/ind.ie#not-indieweb (http://blog.rmendes.net/2015/indie-might-be-more-radical-on-his-theoretical-approach-but)
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Loqi [mention] Rick Mendes posted 'principles - IndieWebCamp The IndieWeb Community is largely based on principles (AKA tenets) such as own your data, scratc...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/principles (http://blog.rmendes.net/2015/principles)
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@BRCAresponder RT @salisburymw: I hope my #BRCA testing saga helps to shed light on the problems facing genetic testing. #ownyourdata @techonomy http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/555405707668103168)
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Loqi [mention] Rick Mendes commented 'Why #Indieweb 2015 ?' on a post https://indiewebcamp.com/why (http://blog.rmendes.net/2015/why-indieweb-2015-)
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Loqi [mention] Rick Mendes posted 'projects - IndieWebCamp Bookmarking stuff on my blog is fine, perhaps i can replace previous bookmarks third party service...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/projects (http://blog.rmendes.net/2015/projects)
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Acidnerd benward______, does OwnyourGram.com works out of the box with Known ?
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Acidnerd cc aaronpk
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kylewm Acidnerd: it should work if you have the IndiePub plugin enabled and are using a theme that works with indieauth
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kylewm also benwerd and benw-a-rd are different people, unfortunately :)
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ben_thatmustbeme it just uses micropub, so it should with that
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ben_thatmustbeme the benwerd/benward thing confuses everyone
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Acidnerd ahh lol sorry
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp
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tantek any good news overnight?
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tantek hmm - aaronpk, maybe you already discussed this, but this tweet seems to have a trailing URL that looks like an "original" post permalink but is not :/ https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/555111508385234945
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@aaronpk @iainspad indie web is not the same as ind.ie: https://indiewebcamp.com/ind.ie#not-indieweb I also have a fun collection of other tweets: http://aaronparecki.com/collections/2015/01/13/1/indie (twitter.com/_/status/555111508385234945)
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aaronpk yeah, that should be sorted out now
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tantek I believe according to original-post-discovery - that will cause a false positive :/
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@JockelLohkamp SUBMIT YOUR IDEA FOR OUISHARE FEST 15 http://magazine.ouishare.net/2014/12/call-for-proposals-now-open-submit-your-idea-for-ouishare-fest-15/ … @LivingBridgesP #socap #crypto #GETDcent @OuiShare @agoracollective #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/555416618160111616)
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aaronpk it did
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aaronpk the fix was to add a rel-feed link to my replies feed so that bridgy finds the original post that way
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tantek do you collection posts show reactions / comments anyway?
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tantek s/you/your
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Loqi tantek meant to say: do your collection posts show reactions / comments anyway?
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aaronpk they don't, but they probably should. must have just been an oversight when I made them
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tantek I must admit when I didn't see any place where a like would show up, I was like meh, I can like it later :P
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aaronpk tehe
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kylewm I could use a little advice. this python imageproxy thing is not working correctly... it's supposed to handle up to 50 concurrent requests but it's definitely not doing that https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/imageproxy-blocking.png
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bear @kylewm do you have a source code link for it?
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kylewm bear: this is the bit that's supposed to fetch images from other servers https://github.com/agschwender/pilbox/blob/master/pilbox/app.py#L180
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tantek aaronpk, do your collection posts bring in images from tweets?
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kylewm I think that the actual image resizing *is* blocking, but i wouldn't expect it to block for 20 seconds
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@kevinmarks @anildash all that's been shipped as #indieweb told, except we use html instead of json because web. Try it. (twitter.com/_/status/555418088456605696)
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aaronpk yes, the twitter-mf2-shim library finds images in tweets and adds them to the "photo" property
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aaronpk so any h-entry that has a photo will have that photo rendered in my collection posts
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kylewm bear: I'm thinking maybe I should ditch it and handle resizing/caching myself?
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bear yea, I'm looking at that code and I don't see any reason why it should block for the concurrent clients
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bear but it does seem like overkill - queue them up and have a worker handle it IMO
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tantek aaronpk - that's awesome - assuming you're caching the photos too?
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aaronpk hm let me check, not actually sure
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tantek you know we haven't had a db argument in a while - I'm just going to leave this here https://twitter.com/abritinthebay/status/555273975303917569 ;)
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@abritinthebay @t file io always wins vs db io :) (twitter.com/_/status/555273975303917569)
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kylewm bear: ok thank you for looking!
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bear @kylewm np - the problem could be deep in the async code or in how the resizing call is being handled, lots of edge cases
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aaronpk tantek: no it looks like right now i'm just hotlinking to whatever URL is in the photo property
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tantek thus if the tweet is deleted the text is saved but not the photo?
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aaronpk if twitter deletes the photo, yes
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aaronpk I want to use the same mechanism that I'll use to store profile photos though
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tantek I would assume so since they delete profile photos
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aaronpk something like kylewm's imageproxy
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tantek yeah
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tantek what is an imageproxy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "imageproxy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=imageproxy
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tantek kylewm ^^^ stub?
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kylewm aaronpk: don't use kylewm's image proxy as a model...it is sucking
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aaronpk hehe
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tantek.com moved /wordpress.com to /WordPress.com "canonical caps"
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tantek tommorris: I think we need something more balanced than that
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tantek criticizing approaches rationally / factually should be encouraged
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tantek as that's how we improve
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tantek criticizing *people* OTOH is not helpful
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tantek nor is ad hominem attacks
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aaronpk i'm testing out deleting a tweet with an image and seeing if the image goes away
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tantek nor is telling people to f-off
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aaronpk so far the photo is still there, a minute after the tweet is gone
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tantek tommorris: that is, there are some cases where "attack mode on other approaches" can be reasonable / rational / helpful
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tommorris tantek: there's a difference between talking to established technical people and talking to non-technical and/or newbies.
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tommorris like if you are talking to a non-technical newbie and they say they use Tumblr or Facebook, going on about the evils of silos won't get people excited in the same way as "hey, you know that we've been working on Tumblr-like products but without some of the limitations of Tumblr and some new cool stuff"
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tantek I'm trying to figure out how to reword it saying factual feedback and constructive criticism is encouraged in the community, but perhaps engage non-regulars with questions instead of critcism
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tantek s/critcism/criticism
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Loqi tantek meant to say: I'm trying to figure out how to reword it saying factual feedback and constructive criticism is encouraged in the community, but perhaps engage non-regulars with questions instead of criticism
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aaronpk hmm who here is displaying "updated at" on their posts?
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aaronpk what is updated?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "updated" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=updated
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aaronpk so one of my photos yesterday was reposted by another account on instagram
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aaronpk and it got 1700 likes
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aaronpk if it were twitter, all the likes would have actually counted towards my tweet
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aaronpk but since instagram doesn't have a native repost feature, that didn't happen here
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tantek aaronpk wow what? which photo? URLs?
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aaronpk oh now it's at 1800, dang
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aaronpk mine: http://aaron.pk/n4_82 instagram repost: http://instagram.com/p/x13KMIzfgo/
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tantek it's a great photo!
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tantek at least they gave you photo by cred in the caption
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tantek any new followers as a result?
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aaronpk thanks! yeah, that's how I found the photo.
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aaronpk oh yeah that explains the new random followers i've been getting this morning
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@kevinmarks @polotek anil said "Why has no-one implemented my plumbing wishlist for blogging tools?" I said that it has been in #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/555426428289044480)
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tantek kevinmarks keep up the pressure
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tantek keep calling out the unnecessity of JSON
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tantek !tell benwerd perhaps you should respond to Anil Dash, letting him know you've built a tool that works. https://twitter.com/anildash/status/555408559450906624 and ask for your millions of dollars ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks @polotek sorry, I should write a post explaining this. I'm using shorthand because anil has ignored indieweb efforts for a while now. (twitter.com/_/status/555428040243941376)
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aaronpk i think i found my next photo itch
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tantek !tell benwerd nevermind I see you took care of it 20+ minutes ago :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk and it's not creating a complete replacement for flickr
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tantek dang I need to go like a bunch of tweets again ;)
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aaronpk i think the next step is to be able to publish sets/albums/galleries/collections/whatevertheyrecalled
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tantek wow now Google has completely dropped ALL of my notes referencing @anildash from their index.
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tantek googlesearch--
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Loqi googlesearch has -1 karma
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tantek e.g. http://tantek.com/2013/149/t4/successes-start-scratching-personal-itches
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tantek and http://tantek.com/2013/149/t3/one-project-just-monoculture
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tantek KevinMarks ^^^ more fodder for you - 1.5+ years old at that
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tantek KevinMarks - he did respond to this: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/458716852684718080 and apparently supported fragmentions
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@kevinmarks @anildash you and @ginatrapani should come to Indiewebcamp NYC this weekend if you can http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/NYC/Guest_List (twitter.com/_/status/458716852684718080)
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tantek well, asked for others to support it, so promoted it
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tantek this is good: https://twitter.com/anildash/status/555422773921972224
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@anildash @benwerd yep, you're closest to these features in almost every regard. (twitter.com/_/status/555422773921972224)
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aaronpk do I need to make another collection post from this thread?
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tantek likely
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tantek tommorris++ for advocacy updates
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Loqi tommorris has 72 karma
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tantek is blogging software a tool or an app?
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kylewm tantek: you know what can't keep up with your new post volume is http://tantek.com/updates.atom :P
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tantek yeah, it's too bad that polling XML is so much less efficient than HTML.
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tommorris tantek: I'm not sure what an app is anymore.
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tommorris software used to be so much simpler before people started mixing together behaviour and content so egregiously. :)
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tantek kylewm: you're not depending on updates.atom right? that's for legacy readers only.
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kylewm yep I subscribe to it in feedbin
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@t @dougmckown my self-built personal publishing software @Falcon (uses OSS @cassisjs @tmhOAuth) https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon (ttk.me t4_91) (twitter.com/_/status/555433973074395136)
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tantek what is feedbin?
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Loqi Feedbin is a traditional feed reader similar to Google Reader, but offers a much improved and simplified interface compared to Reader https://indiewebcamp.com/feedbin
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Acidnerd it's a nice replacement to g reader indeed
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tantek ah, open source, time to file an issue
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tantek do we think http://microformats.org/wiki/h-feed has enough experience to no longer be an experiment?
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aaronpk maybe? how many consumers are there though?
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tantek the next phase is "draft" which is about consensus more than # of consumers
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aaronpk ah ok, then yes
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tantek if we have actual interop across multiple publishers and subscribers we can advance further!
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kylewm I can only think of two consumers? shrewdness and emmak's site
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kylewm i guess bridgy is technically a consumer for posse-post-discovery
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Acidnerd along my experience to implement indieweb i want to form a little node of activist using #indieweb and then have a indie feed reader of our own, where all our info feeds land, is this already doable ?
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aaronpk hmm I have three coupons for a year of hosting on bluehost.com, but adding them to the wiki seems like not a good idea
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tantek aaronpk - instead add a note that people can contact you if interested
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tantek e.g. here in the channel
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tantek what is bluehost?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bluehost" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=bluehost
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tantek ^^^ stub that and go from there
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tantek kylewm: feedbin issue filed: https://github.com/feedbin/feedbin/issues/132
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kylewm Acidnerd: that sounds like a cool plan, there isn't any software that does that yet, but it would not be terribly difficult to write
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tantek please feel free to help improve it!
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kylewm very cool tantek, hope they are into it!
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tantek host host?
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aaronpk dammit
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tantek lol
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aaronpk i dont even
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tantek kylewm - perhaps add your own commentary to the issue? since you're an actual user your words may carry more weight
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Acidnerd kylewm, isn't that a feed reader ? http://news.indiewebcamp.com/ ?
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kylewm acidnerd: no not really. people submit news items to that site themselves
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Acidnerd is it a manual process, or is there some kind of protocol that push a list of sites into the reader ?
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KevinMarks__ http://www.civichall.org/a-new-home-for-civic-technology/ for NY folks
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Acidnerd my idea was to have a bunch of approved indieweb sites that when they publish with for exemple a specific #hashtag it would directly push the content to the reader, but i'm sure you guys have this better said, haha
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KevinMarks__ They have an unconference on Tuesday 20th Jan
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kylewm acidnerd: http://news.indiewebcamp.com/submit
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KevinMarks__ https://www.facebook.com/events/755380761212930/
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Acidnerd kylewm, yes just saw it
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Acidnerd not sure my known site is ready for
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Acidnerd by reading this http://news.indiewebcamp.com/how-to-submit-a-post i'm not sure i can sublit
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Acidnerd submit, not that i want to right now, but want to make sure it's ready
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tantek aaronpk http://news.indiewebcamp.com/how-to-submit-a-post could use that simple adactio webmention sending web form.
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tantek could anyone else publishing h-feed on their home page add themselves to http://microformats.org/wiki/h-feed#Examples_in_the_wild ? Thanks!
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KevinMarks__ Today in silos http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/15/us/roswell-new-mexico-missile-silo-for-sale.html
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cweiske wow. reminds me of "castle in the sand".
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aaronpk tantek: right now indienews requires crafting a URL to indienews before sending the webmention, so a webmention form only helps with half of that
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tantek half help is better than nothing!
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aaronpk guess that's true
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tantek I found those forms quite useful yesterday when manually sending webmentions
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tantek only one thing to copy paste
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tantek my permalink
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aaronpk especially my forms cause my webmention URLs are so long
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tantek instead of THREE (source, target, endpoint) into a curl command line, then copy paste that (four) into a command line
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tantek so it actually helps with more like 75% in my experience :)
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk I want to find a better way to submit things to indienews though
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aaronpk the other problem right now is you can essentially only submit posts on your own domain
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aaronpk like I couldn't do what kevinmarks does with adding #indieweb to tweets to have URLs to things show up here
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aaronpk that's the kind of stuff I want on indienews
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Acidnerd what if the title of the post + a defined hashtag for the community could help structuring what get posted and not ?
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Acidnerd + having all the correct meta
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Acidnerd so you could also structure information on the reader at the source
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aaronpk oh hey, well one way people could submit not-their content and still own the submission is by submitting bookmark posts
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Acidnerd and have something like folders or tags or topics
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aaronpk and indienews could use the "bookmark" property for the post rather than the submitter's URL
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Acidnerd that would be nice, but then visitors on indienews would first be sent to the bookmark and then visit the source ?
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aaronpk no, it would just link to the thing that is bookmarked
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Acidnerd sounds nicer
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aaronpk and could say in small text "submitted by ____" with a link to their bookmark post
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Acidnerd wonderful
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Acidnerd so how would one be admitted to post on indienews ? what makes a approved source of bookmarks ?
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aaronpk that solves the problem of getting more domains on there, but doesn't solve the problem of needing to craft the URL to use as the webmention target
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Acidnerd domains then ok
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Acidnerd wouldn't be possible to make one site indienews ready ?
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Acidnerd like by adding a permanent necessary format
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aaronpk I guess another way of submitting may be to log in and add a URL to a feed of posts you want to submit
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cweiske cool. autospamming.
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aaronpk so I could say "hey indienews, grab posts from this URL that are tagged #indieweb"
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Acidnerd aaronpk, that was my first belief
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aaronpk like Planet style
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Acidnerd do you see indienews more as a "reddit' or more as a feed reader ?
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cweiske planets are curated
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aaronpk curated? not the ones I've seen
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aaronpk I'm on Planet Linode, they just post all my articles from my articles atom feed
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aaronpk what is a planet?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/planet
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aaronpk Acidnerd: originally I saw it more as a reddit (which is why the front page ranks by upvotes) but that has turned out to be less useful because we just don't have the volume of submissions of reddit/hackernews
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aaronpk so I want to turn it more into a feed reader format
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Acidnerd that would be even better, because would make it all reusable in different context
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Acidnerd like yours could be focused #indieweb
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Acidnerd but i could open a new instance gather people around me and define what makes them able to push content to my reader
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aaronpk true
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aaronpk I kinda like that idea
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aaronpk huh apparently we had planned on making planet.indiewebcamp.com 2 years ago
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=planet&oldid=1761
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Acidnerd i was thinking yesterday night, how this whole idea #indieweb could be the start of something really different on the way data is being structured for consumers : because the content creator can/could adopt structure (hashtags or other rules) at the source and these would then be structured at the beginning of the process of dissemination, so you create, then it get POSSED with correct hashtags to silo's, or sent to specific topic or niche readers t
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Acidnerd hat gather communities
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Acidnerd not sure i'm making myself readable
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Acidnerd but for me it makes all the difference into how one could be aware of new content, if it was structured at the beginning of it's journey
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tantek Acidnerd - sounds like the makings of a blog post you should post!
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Acidnerd it's like tweeting without a tag, you're only speaking to followers, the moment you tag, then you're structuring information for those that monitor it at least
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tantek even such short musing posts are good to quickly publish
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Acidnerd sounds like it :)
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aaronpk totally! those are some of my favorite posts of mine, I never regret having done that when I go back and look at it later
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Acidnerd this stuff i just sent, is my main problem with the info/news projects i run
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Acidnerd it's hard to avoid the noise of the web, when information isn't structured
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Acidnerd wow, chrome just crashed, but Known seems to save locally posts ?
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GWG After all this time mentioning it, I have two people on the Pushover bandwagon
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Acidnerd there you go : a little bit cleaned : http://blog.rmendes.net/2015/just-a-few-indieweb-thoughts-
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Acidnerd seems really nice GWG
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Acidnerd any Knwon plugin ?
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GWG Not sure. But I like the idea of how Easy it is to get phone notifications
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Acidnerd going to try that with my wordpress sites & other services that have plugins avail
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barryf GWG I'm still in the Pushover trial period. I think it's worth paying the $4.99 for. Thanks for sharing.
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barryf GWG++
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KevinMarks__ Hashtag for routing has precedent - the #fb on tweets you want copied to facebook from some twitter apps
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Acidnerd indeed
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KevinMarks__ And the way I use #indieweb to throw here and end up in my pinboard
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Acidnerd or #hashtag to trigger actions: RT or whatelse
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KevinMarks__ http://pinboard.in/search/u:kevinmarks/?query=%23indieweb
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GWG KevinMarks__: what is your Pinboard username?
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GWG Never mind
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Loqi [bridgy] Brient Hess favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ind.ie#not-indieweb (https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/555111508385234945)
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: It seems I'll have to skip the HWC tonight
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Acidnerd anyone can tell me the purpose of the wordpress plugin for Known ?
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Acidnerd https://github.com/idno/WordPress
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Acidnerd is it to push Known to wp ?
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aaronpk looks liek it
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Acidnerd that's a weird idea
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Acidnerd but ok
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Acidnerd it's really nice, with Webhooks i can push posts to a mailchimp email list, but i'm wondering what it can do more
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Acidnerd aaronpk, you know what would be nice ? ability to queue POSSE content & deliver it to Silo's based on a schedule/timer
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Acidnerd kind of buffer-like
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aaronpk that sounds like buffer
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aaronpk like, just use that
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Acidnerd never liked it
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Acidnerd i use twibble.io to manage a few accounts like my EU info news bot @euwatchers
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aaronpk well add it to your "itches" list if you're interested in it!
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Loqi [bridgy] Doug McKown favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon (https://twitter.com/t/status/555433973074395136)
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aaronpk oh nice, here's an image proxy already built! https://github.com/atmos/camo
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kylewm already linked on http://indiewebcamp.com/image%20proxy !
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aaronpk kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 100 karma
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kylewm balloons!!
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kylewm http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Balloons-Falling-Colbert-Report.gif
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aaronpk wait wtf how is camo half ruby and half node?
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aaronpk huh I think the tests are written in ruby but the server is node
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kylewm oh yeah i think you're right
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kylewm and they are using Rake to build stuff...
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aaronpk the custom services thing of feedbin is a good idea
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kylewm where you can plug in web action handlers?
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aaronpk yeah!
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kylewm definitely my favorite thing about it
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@RikMende OK this time it needs to work ! This is just a test from my #indieweb blog to #twitter #POSSE http://blog.rmendes.net/2015/ok-this-time-it-needs-to-work-this-is-just (twitter.com/_/status/555479433776496640)
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barryf aaronpk kylewm Nice. Set up camo in a few minutes. Proxying through Heroku as recommended in the README
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KevinMarks node on heroku is pretty cheap to run
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kylewm that's surprising, i didn't think anything was cheap on heroku
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KevinMarks I haven't paid anything for my node stuff there
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barryf Seems to work under the free tier.
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KevinMarks kevinmarks.com noterlive.com etc
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kylewm oh oh, right :)
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KevinMarks if youstart filling up DBs it'll cost more
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KevinMarks so is marking up inlined tweets with h-cite like aaronpk the way to go?
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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dariusdunlap About 4pm or 4:30pm I will be heading to SF for Homebrew Website Club. I’m coming from Half Moon Bay, so if anyone needs a ride, just call.
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KevinMarks check with TIna Gillmor, she said she's coming and might welcome a ride
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KevinMarks as it's carpool time
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dariusdunlap Yeah, I can go via Pacifica as easily as vie San Mateo.
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pwcc Hi all, enjoy HWC tonight san franciscans
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tantek good afternoon #indiewebcamp!
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snarfed afternoon tantek!
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KevinMarks is there an existing markup style for fisking?
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snarfed what is fisking?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fisking" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=fisking
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tantek KevinMarks: fisking is merely a series of quote / response pairs
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tantek KevinMarks therefore - <blockquote>
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KevinMarks http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/fisking.html
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tantek and if you really want to get fancy, you can put a fragmention to each quotation in the "cite" attribute of each blockquote
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KevinMarks with h-cite on the blockquotes?
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tantek KevinMarks: are you writing this on your mobile device?
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KevinMarks not at the moment
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snarfed oh man, ok. sounds usenet-inspired. whee
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KevinMarks it's a blogging thing
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tantek snarfed - yes - that's the era of that resource in general
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KevinMarks the "translation" version is a later refinement
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snarfed (any mention of usenet or inline quoting culture gets an automatic http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BuildingCommunitieswithSo.html reference from me)
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Loqi [mention] gRegor Morrill posted 'Chicago Homebrew Website Club has been cancelled tonight. Sorry for the last-minute notice. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-14-homebr...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-14-homebrew-website-club (/notes/2015/01/14/5/)
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tantek snarfed: re that post "Building Communities with Software" - I don't see any evidence of community at that URL
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@ERamosSD RT @salisburymw: I hope my #BRCA testing saga helps to shed light on the problems facing genetic testing. #ownyourdata @techonomy http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/555504080869531648)
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snarfed tantek: blogs don't have to be communities
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@gRegorLove Chicago Homebrew Website Club has been cancelled tonight. Sorry for the last-minute notice. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-14-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/555504122359586818)
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tantek snarfed true! I don't even see any links to any communities either.
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gRegor` On the plus side, I don't have to go out in the cold for HWC tonight.
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snarfed tantek: he's obviously built a few. stack exchange, the joel on software forums, etc
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gRegor` Chicago HWC: Home edition.
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snarfed point taken, of course - that blog post's design doesn't necessarily prioritize indieweb ideals - but the *content* is still good
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tantek meh - the content is old print-style. not hypertext. not "blog" worthy.
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snarfed like i said. the *content* is good.
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tantek lacking citations (hyperlinks) I'm no longer willing to give it much credibility. he might as well have posted plain text to a usenet forum.
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tantek plain text like that is for novels, no longer for science
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tantek s/plain/unlinked
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Loqi tantek meant to say: unlinked text like that is for novels, no longer for science
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snarfed i understand where you're coming from. it's a bit harsh, though. there's lots of good writing out there that's not structured in strict citation-based, referential, scientific argument, style
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KartikPrabhu well real scientists use latex :P
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snarfed it's not really about science, anyway, it's about culture
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snarfed also - not an excuse - but worth noting that it was published in 2003 :P
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tantek in as much as he's attempting reasoning to make points (hypotheses), it's about science
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tantek cultural fluff pieces are for grocery store checkout rags
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kylewm I'm enjoying reading the article but man, I hate this "If you eliminate the checkbox, people are left with no choice but to check back every once in a while."
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snarfed sure. i'm with you, links and more explicit structure would be nice; everything can be improved. still, there's good stuff in there
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kylewm context -- the checkbox to "email me if someone replies"
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tantek kylewm - yes, that's not user-centric design at all
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snarfed tantek: you yourself argue against absolutist thinking, right? so it's not ideal, but it still has some merit
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tantek fair
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tantek the level of merit it has at this point is so low that I've abandoned mailing lists of equivalent level
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tantek I've already spent those years
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: eh I sort of understand his point. The same could be said about "why don't you have comment boxes"
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pwcc GWG: you around?
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: tantek: of course it need not be true that everyone finds merits in everything :P
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tantek snarfed - what perhaps I'm reacting to is the semi-arrogant know-it-all tone of the article - without any citations to back any of it up
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snarfed tantek: sure, understood. he's (in)famous for that tone
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Loqi [bridgy] OH YES BEER favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-14-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/555504122359586818)
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tantek snarfed, yes, and others mentioned here recently too
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tantek bridgy, wat? ^^^
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gRegor` haha. beer account favoriting HWC tweet. ^
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gRegor` "Homebrew"
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tantek oh my goodness I just had another friend ping me about beer festival tickets because she was like hey you're always organizing those homebrew events right?
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gRegor` Tyler (tfontaine in here) still jokes with me about that, though he knows what HWC really is.
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tantek plenty of folks in my running group deliberately joke about it that way too
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pwcc An easier confusion to deal with than the one you've been handling for the last few days.
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tantek straightfaced - so that others of course get the literal misimpression
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tantek pwcc++
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Loqi pwcc has 4 karma
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: about the email checkbox thing, it really bummed me out when facebook took away that option to try and drive more hits to their site. of course if you are building a small community site, it makes more sense
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tantek what is the expression for that? sticky eyeballs? or something like that?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "expression for that? sticky eyeballs? or something like that" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=expression+for+that%3F+sticky+eyeballs%3F+or+something+like+that
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tantek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_content
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kylewm interesting, i've only ever heard that term for posts that stay at the top of a thread
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tantek what is pinned?
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Loqi pin or pinning is a feature that allows the author to choose a post to put at the top of their profile (or homepage) which is then called a pinned or sticky post https://indiewebcamp.com/pinned
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gRegor` I was also followed by @IndieCade.
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tantek what is IndieCade?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieCade" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IndieCade
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gRegor` Just another account searching terms and following, sans context.
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gRegor` indiewe-- FOLLOWED.
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Loqi indiewe has -1 karma
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gRegor` Dangit
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gRegor` indiewe++
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tantek what is karma?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "karma" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=karma
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tantek the email checkbox thing appears to have gone the complete other direction - that is - notifications for all the things!
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tantek and email notification is just *one* possible form you can now receive them
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tantek thus appearing to refute Joel's advice
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tantek e.g. Twitter keeps adding MORE email notification checkboxes!
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kylewm github has the thing (that FB used to have) where you can reply to an email notification
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tantek http://tantek.com/2014/283/t3/twitter-email-notifications-22-checkboxes
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tantek making replying to email work seems hard
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snarfed speaking from experience, it is
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snarfed often worthwhile, but hard
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tantek I feel it will be something we'll end up solving again due to the transient personal serve / store-and-forward use-cases.
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snarfed the common alternative is to style email notifications to look like "cards," instead of normal emails, so that users naturally click on links to reply instead of replying by email
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tantek s/serve/server
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Loqi tantek meant to say: I feel it will be something we'll end up solving again due to the transient personal server / store-and-forward use-cases.