#indiewebcamp 2015-01-16

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@skry RT @benwerd: IndieWebCamp Edinburgh is emerging - paging all of my wonderful geek friends there. https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (twitter.com/_/status/555875174105366528)
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@HomesteadingIO RT @veganstraightedge: Things in progress. @homesteadingio #indieweb http://instagram.com/p/x5AncDsnsU/ (twitter.com/_/status/555869582607388672)
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@aaronpk As much as I enjoy the benefits of running my own server, I really don't like running my own server. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/555884233181257728)
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@Johannes_Ernst @aaronpk Clearly you need UBOS :-) http://ubos.net/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/555886849520963585)
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aaronpk ping
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Loqi pong
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KartikPrabhu hi Loqi!
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aaronpk welcome back loqi!
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Loqi grins profusely
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@aaronpk @Johannes_Ernst Interesting. Can I run it on a Linode or on AWS? Can I tweak Nginx settings if I need to? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/555888115005403137)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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RichShumaker I had a question about h-entry and where it is required to be in the code
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RichShumaker and h-cards too
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kylewm hi RichShumaker, what's your question?
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RichShumaker where in the code do they go?
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kylewm they are HTML classes
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RichShumaker I use TiddlyWiki which is a JavaScript based self contained Wiki
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kylewm http://indiewebify.me/ may be helpful
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RichShumaker I want to create a Tiddler which is a single entry in the Wiki for my identity
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RichShumaker Thanks I think that will help a lot
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kylewm so one potential concern is, a lot of this stuff depends on being able to curl a website and get html back ... if the page is rendered in javascript, that will cause some problems
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kylewm (rendered by client-side javascript that is)
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KartikPrabhu1 kylewm: RichShumaker: the problem being no content to parse
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RichShumaker gotcha
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RichShumaker I am not a coder and new to indieweb so it may take me a bit to wrap my head around it all
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kylewm RichShumaker: definitely, you're in good company. a good step is to try to add rel=me links to your page
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RichShumaker So I will need some server side code to work with other sites as the javascript becomes static
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RichShumaker okay so rel=me to my tiddlywiki pages
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RichShumaker I need to create a cross reference from my different accounts back to my personal TW
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kylewm really just one of those accounts
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RichShumaker yes like my twitter to my personal site which are both richshumaker
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kylewm yep that'd work great
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RichShumaker the question is if I use a sub location on my site will that be an issue so I don't put it at the root level but under a directory
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RichShumaker I need to watch the introduction videos and read up some more and see how I make out.
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kylewm that should be fine, here's an example of someone running at a subdirectory https://dubiousdod.org/indie/
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RichShumaker I very cool and thanks
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RichShumaker looks like rel=me needs to be in the head of the code, is that true?
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kylewm nope, it can be anywhere in the head or body, as long as it's on a <link> or <a> element
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KartikPrabhu RichShumaker: usually <link> elements are in the head but they can be anywhere you'd like. In fact if you display other profile links on the homepage already ( using <a> ) then just add rel-me to those
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RichShumaker very cool
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RichShumaker I am off again - thanks for the help - I will read up and try out and see where I can get from here
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tantek aaronpk :(
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aaronpk yeah I don't know what happened, but I rebooted and everything is fine now
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tantek weird. classic tech support did you try turning it off and on again.
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aaronpk yeah :(
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kylewm aaronpk: maybe a computer problem not a DDOS?
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tantek another reason not to upgrade to OSX 10.10 Yosemite http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/01/why-dns-in-os-x-10-10-is-broken-and-what-you-can-do-to-fix-it/
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tantek what is DNS?
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Loqi DNS is an abbreviation for Domain Name Server and often used to refer to the configuring thereof https://indiewebcamp.com/DNS
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creation.net edited /site-deaths-ko (+0) "/* 더 바세히 보기 */" (view diff)
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tantek huh
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KartikPrabhu looks like a spelling correction to "See Also"
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tantek yes
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tantek.com edited /DNS (+1450) "issues, hierarchical vulnerability, unreliability. FAQ needs fixing" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2015/Cambridge (+400) "start TODO section" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ response post to anil at http://www.kevinmarks.com/toolsandproducts.html - I need to add some links - any other corrections?
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tantek KevinMarks: " This is a fair point, and so here is a post going into more detail. " <-- nice
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tantek I'd encourage EMPHASIS or **emphasis** in Anil's quotes
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tantek e.g.
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tantek *like to see **one** emerge as a leading platform*
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tantek (that's two levels of emphasis :) )
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tantek that's the key piece that's calling (perhaps unintentionally) for a monoculture
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tantek if he'd said "*at least one*" that would have been better.
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tantek while now it reads more like "*only one*" [to rule them all]
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tantek this is a bit harsh (too negatively presumptive) "This is understandable, given his history with Six Apart, which built several products in that way. "
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creation.net created /POSSE-ko (+23334) "/* [ko] Add the first translation */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ hm. that will only show for you and the non-js users as I'm using benward's tweet decorator
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KevinMarks_ hm, how do I rephrase that.
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tantek huh? that quote is from his blog post, not a twitter
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tantek not a tweet
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KevinMarks_ oh
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tantek how are you using benward's tweet decorator on blockquotes from his blog post?
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tantek I'm confused.
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KevinMarks_ hm, no wiki page for microformats hah
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KevinMarks_ sorry, I misunderstood
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tantek wat
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KevinMarks_ what is microformats
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tantek Loqi?
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Loqi woot!
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Loqi microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indiewebcamp.com/microformats
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tantek :D
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KevinMarks_ oh, capital M
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KevinMarks_ my bug
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tantek.com created /Microformats (+26) "r" (view diff)
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tantek fixed
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KevinMarks_ heh
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tantek KevinMarks: back to your text
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tantek I don't like this: "This is understandable, given his history with Six Apart, which built several products in that way. "
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tantek perhaps rephrase as
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tantek "Interestingly, Anil's past employer, Six Apart, built several several products that way, each attempting to emerge as leading, but without interoperating - e.g. you couldn't use MovableType to send a comment to LiveJournal post."
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tantek to *a* LiveJournal post.
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KevinMarks_ that's almost more trollish
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tantek there - that's less presumptive, more factual, and places the "blame" on Six Apart, not Anil.
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tantek better to blame a company than an individual
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tantek it's the culture we're criticizing here, not Anil
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KevinMarks_ what is itches?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "itches" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=itches
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KevinMarks_ hm
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tantek the specifics (MT and LJ) are better than the vague offhand slap of "Six Apart, which built several products in that way"
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tantek heh
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tantek I'll scratch that one ;)
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KevinMarks_ hm, though they did help brad ship OpenID which did allow cross-blog commenting
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KevinMarks_ http://www.livejournal.com/openid/about.bml
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KevinMarks_ so your argument is false
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KartikPrabhu Anil seems to be oddly fixated on JSON and Bootstrap. Bootstrap! really...
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KevinMarks_ this is 2 years ago, he was dropping buzzwords
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KartikPrabhu oh ok
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tantek KevinMarks - no, I didn't say *leave* a comment
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tantek I was very precise
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KevinMarks_ hm
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KevinMarks_ I think he would cite pingback.
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tantek you couldn't use MovableType to *send* a comment directly from your webiste to someone else's LiveJournal post.
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KevinMarks_ in fact he does further down
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KevinMarks_ I don't want to get into that kind of nuance
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tantek except pingback was not a comment, and you can call that out
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tantek oh and nevermind that LiveJournal never displayed pingbacks
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tantek so yes, I chose my example carefully :)
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tantek and wording at that
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KevinMarks_ heh
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tantek that's part of the point, LiveJournal didn't even support the crappy interop of the day
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KevinMarks_ that isn't far from Six Apart - six platforms that keep apart
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tantek ouch
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KevinMarks_ No, LJ pioneered OpenID, and Brad personally went round all the other blog co's to evangelise it
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KevinMarks_ and 6A supported that after acquiring LJ
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KevinMarks_ I could just link to site-deaths
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tantek OpenID had no way of sending a comment
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tantek it has nothing to do with the scenario I gave
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tantek that's key
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KevinMarks_ it was a way to verify that the commenter owned the url they put in the form
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tantek SSO is not peer to peer commenting
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tantek.com created /itches (+1296) "stub with dfn, see also, indieweb examples" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /itches (+49) "motivations" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /itches (+23) "unescape fragmention" (view diff)
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tantek KevinMarks, continuing on
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tantek this is awkward wording: "their focus on user experience may be more significant for their widespread adoption."
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KevinMarks_ he has silo envy
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tantek everyone does :P
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tantek better: "their widespread adoption coming from focusing on innovating and improving user experience rather than interoperability with others"
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tantek and typo later: s/tool kit/toolkit
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tantek "whereas with JSON you will get a parse error and lose the whole page"
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tantek add XML
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tantek e.g. "whereas with JSON you will get a parse error and lose the whole page, just like XML"
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tantek and link "just like XML" to http://htmlcssjavascript.com/web/youre-so-smart-you-turned-javascript-into-xhtml/
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tantek ASIDE: hey is anyone going to the Matter VC meetup/talk where Ben & Erin are talking about Known?
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KevinMarks_ yes, as soon as I leave thsi pub
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KevinMarks_ whats the best mf2 to json to link to
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tantek hmm - perhaps we should continue this conversation in person at Matter
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tantek btw - a better title for your post:
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tantek instead of "Tools and Products", how about:
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tantek We Like IndieWeb Software
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tantek - a response to Anil Dash's "I Like Blogging Software"
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KevinMarks_ aha
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KevinMarks_ I want to link to a mf2-parsed into JSON version fo the post
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KevinMarks_ bets tool for that?
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tantek probably aaronpk's pin13
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KevinMarks_ that makes the point
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timmmmyboy Evening #indiewebcamp!
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KevinMarks_ hi timmmmyboy
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timmmmyboy Ben’s tweet has me inspired to give installing Sandstorm a try so I’m running that and figured why not jump in the channel for the first time in, oh, forever.
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KevinMarks_ OK, heading to matter
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timmmmyboy Ah, enjoy!
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@kevinmarks My notes from last night's Homebrew Website Cub, on my own site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-01-14.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/555922440488906753)
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tantek heading to Matter as well
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: IndieWebCamp Edinburgh is emerging - paging all of my wonderful geek friends there. https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (twitter.com/_/status/555928202132987904)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/555928202132987904)
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/hashtag/hackshackers?src=hash for tonights talks
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tantek aaronpk what the heck is this? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-01-15/line/1421379020977
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aaronpk Whoa regex fail
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tantek wow benwerd is killing it
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tantek with examples of silo misbehaviors
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tantek faster than I can type!
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KartikPrabhu waaa where can we read?
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timmmmyboy Got Sandstorm installed, not too bad, pretty decent script installer. Now to learn how to build apps for it (funny enough I was just peaking at some Meteor stuff yesterday and then find this today)
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timmmmyboy If anyone wants to play I’ll invite (I guess that’s how it works). https://sandstorm.reclaimhosting.com I have no idea what I’m doing
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tantek KartikPrabhu: a couple of posts
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tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/555934151623573504
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@t #hackshackers @benwerd talk @mattervc Silos censor: @instagram censored gay kiss photo @facebook censors ... http://tantek.com/2015/015/t1/hackshackers-silo-censorship-examples (twitter.com/_/status/555934151623573504)
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tantek (totally awesome auto-placement of ellipsis :) )
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tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/555934876416081920
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@t #hackshackers @benwerd: “‘The cloud’ sounds nice and fluffy, but really just means someone else’s hard drive.” (ttk.me t4_A2) (twitter.com/_/status/555934876416081920)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yeah pretty cool shortening + ellipsis + link. nice
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@kevinmarks my #hackshackers SF notes on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hackshackers2015-01.html #BeYourOwnPlatform #indieweb @erinjo @benwerd @netaustin @rsingel @maxslavkin (twitter.com/_/status/555940897179709440)
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@steveivy RT @aaronpk: As much as I enjoy the benefits of running my own server, I really don't like running my own server. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/555955766457556992)
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@coreyford RT @kevinmarks: my #hackshackers SF notes on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hackshackers2015-01.html #BeYourOwnPlatform #indieweb @erinjo @benwerd @netaustin @rsin… (twitter.com/_/status/555966096314867712)
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@rsingel RT @kevinmarks: my #hackshackers SF notes on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hackshackers2015-01.html #BeYourOwnPlatform #indieweb @erinjo @benwerd @netaustin @rsin… (twitter.com/_/status/555974220249694208)
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: my #hackshackers SF notes on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hackshackers2015-01.html #BeYourOwnPlatform #indieweb @erinjo @benwerd @netaustin @rsin… (twitter.com/_/status/555975722703925248)
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@erinjo RT @kevinmarks: my #hackshackers SF notes on my site: http://www.kevinmarks.com/hackshackers2015-01.html #BeYourOwnPlatform #indieweb @erinjo @benwerd @netaustin @rsin… (twitter.com/_/status/555975858226470912)
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KevinMarks Can loqi add #beyourownplatform? I think erinjo is onto something there
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Loqi :)
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KevinMarks_ evening/morning
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KevinMarks_ any more comments on http://www.kevinmarks.com/toolsandproducts.html before I POSSE it?
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tantek change the URL?
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tantek and the title? as suggested
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tantek "We Like IndieWeb Software"
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KevinMarks_ I'll change the title; the slug is more fiddly
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tantek really? can't rename and leave a redirect?
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tantek isn't it just a static page?
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tantek er, file?
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KevinMarks_ yes, but making a slug that redirects involves code rather than just static files
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tantek oh you mean like cut and paste this into a static file? <!doctype html><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html">
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tantek :P
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tantek Save As… "toolsandproducts.html"
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KevinMarks_ o_O
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tantek tommorris, bear, ben_thatmust - if you like, add links to your "Itches" sections on your User pages here: http://indiewebcamp.com/itches#IndieWeb_Examples (we need more! )
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tantek KevinMarks: I refreshed your page and am reading
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tantek before "Here Anil is"
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tantek put **Emphasis added**
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tantek to make it clear you bolded the "one"
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tantek also s/tool kit/toolkit
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tantek break this into its own paragraph, capitalize and de-link micropub and indieauth:
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tantek "On the indieweb, this is handled by two protocols: Micropub and IndieAuth."
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tantek then start the next paragraph with "IndieAuth" **bolded** and hyperlinked
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KevinMarks_ why de-link?
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tantek and then start the next pargraph after that with "Micropub" **bolded** and hyperlinked
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tantek because it's better to link the more prominent use at the start of a paragraph
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tantek and making the first-word bold like that will further draw attention to it
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tantek also "Microformat" should instead include the "2" afterwards and link to the page on microformats.org
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KevinMarks_ I do that on the next mention - swap those?
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tantek hmm - didn't notice that
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tantek only the first linked instance
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KevinMarks_ OK
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KevinMarks_ right I need to go get on the train or I'll be on your couch
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tantek oh dear go get on the train!
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tantek I fixed http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2
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tantek please link to that instead of https://indiewebcamp.com/microformats
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tantek going to bed - ok if we finish iterating on this tomorrow morning? got a bunch more editorial and better expression suggestions.
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KevinMarks_ OK
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KevinMarks_ as long as we get it up in NY morning
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tantek ok I'll be up
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tantek by NY lunchtime should be ok
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tantek good lunchtime grist
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petermolnar good morning indieweb
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@ThatEmil What should a HEAD request to a Webmention endpoint return?Anything at all? Or something like a 405? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/556014183612182529)
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@BarnabyWalters @thatemil AFAIK there’s currently no defined behaviour for HEAD requests to a webmention endpoint, … https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4_BAzK/ (twitter.com/_/status/556043025101881345)
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@btconf Reminder. If you want to be part of the #indiwebcamp Germany during #btconf, here is all the information you need: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany (twitter.com/_/status/556043486517268480)
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@followthisisart RT @TheClassicAlice: #WackyWednesday ends in just two hours! Have you jumped in?! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/classic-alice-books-8-beyond #indiegogo #indieweb #webserieschat (twitter.com/_/status/556109623133216768)
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@kylewm2 I added search to my #indieweb site. Pretty cool (and surprisingly easy) but it doesn’t search tags yet, which is… weird. (twitter.com/_/status/556132282897940480)
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kylewm.com edited /search (+271) "/* Kyle Mahan */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ morning
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aaronpk morgning
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aaronpk erm, good morning
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aaronpk need coffee
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danlyke aaronpk: Don't know if you saw it yesterday, but your feedback about separate streams for webmention vs comments is well taken, I'm trying to figure out the best way to integrate those.
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@anomalily @BikePortland @__P__J Honestly, if we could use #indieweb technology to post on the shift cal and syndicate to FB this year, we should. (twitter.com/_/status/556153333254074370)
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@anomalily @BikePortland @__P__J I may have just accidentally committed myself to getting POSSE for the Shift calendar before @pedalpalooza #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/556153524765986817)
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KevinMarks Any more edits to http://www.kevinmarks.com/toolsandproducts.html before I POSSE it
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kylewm KevinMarks: I didn't udnerstand why you couldn't change the slug?
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KevinMarks I can that's just laziness
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KevinMarks I'm more concerned about the main text though - have I missed good examples?
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kylewm KevinMarks: I think it's a good response, factual and polite. (I thought it was going to be snarkier)
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tantek KevinMarks - definitely fix the slug - demonstrate good URL design :)
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tantek use the mini meta document I posted last night if you have to ;)
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aaronpk htmlredirects++
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Loqi htmlredirects has 1 karma
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KevinMarks_ fine.
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KevinMarks_ hm, I think I need to add a link to Known Pro and to HWC at the bottom
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benwerd Neat. Again, I think sandstorm.io is really promising for indieweb purposes: http://zpnf0s7807w1sufks5zy.sandstorm.reclaimhosting.com/a-better-sandbox/
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 1/15 at 1:43pm: do you have an indie event posted somewhere for https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/555806169306890241 ?
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benwerd tantek: I did not, and I apologize.
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kylewm benwerd: I'm enthusiastic about it, but it seems like so. much. work. to port applications to sandstorm
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kylewm i can't imaine anyone doing it
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KevinMarks_ OK, now 2 call's to action: http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html
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KevinMarks_ are we done?
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benwerd kylewm: I'm going to try it ;)
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kylewm benwerd: i will forward you my $25 indiegogo credit when Known is on the sandstorm marketplace ;)
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KevinMarks_ i thought there was a tool to auto port it
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benwerd ;)
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erinjorichey.com edited /site-deaths (+149) "/* Upcoming */" (view diff)
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benwerd Fare thee well, Trovebox.
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benwerd KevinMarks_: Is it safe to link to that post?
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KevinMarks Tantek said he had more edits, but I think it's mostly done
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Loqi [bridgy] Lloyd Dewolf liked a post http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (https://facebook.com/500905437/posts/10155043818625438)
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KevinMarks Let me POSSE it first, then link
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aaronpk hmm why didn't bridgy set the in-reply-to on that properly? He did include the "original" link at the end of the FB post
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benwerd KevinMarks: Groovy. I'll hold off.
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KevinMarks (it would be good to have some webmentions show up, given that I discuss them being there)
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tantek speaking of site-deaths - there are a bunch of past "Upcoming" ones that could use some help checking
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Upcoming
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tantek e.g. anybody have any news about Svpply, TwitPic, Orkut, Yahoo Directory?
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tantek also - Loom, and myOpenID as listed here need updates: https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Any_Day_Now
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Loqi [bridgy] Karim Ratib liked a post http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (https://facebook.com/500905437/posts/10155043818625438)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jon Husband liked a post http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (https://facebook.com/500905437/posts/10155043818625438)
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Loqi [bridgy] Mack Hardy liked a post http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (https://facebook.com/500905437/posts/10155043818625438)
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tantek I click on those fb permalinks and see nothing
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tantek how is Bridgy curling that and seeing anything?!?
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KevinMarks Bridgy uses the API
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ you has a webmention now! :)
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@kevinmarks "We Like Indieweb Software" - a response to @anildash's "I Like Blogging Software" http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/556180665998131200)
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KevinMarks_ hm, "yesterday" is actually day before yesterday now
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KevinMarks_ oh well
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KevinMarks_ OK benwerd, have at it
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tantek KevinMarks - fix it - it's your site. s/Yesterday/Recently
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tantek KevinMarks: quick fix near the end
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tantek change this text "next Homebrew Website Club"
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tantek to link to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/next-hwc
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tantek which will auto-update in the future to the next one
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tantek so no matter when someone reads your post, if they click that call to action, it will show them the next soonest meeting
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@benwerd "We Like #IndieWeb Software": @kevinmarks goes deep on the rationale behind the indie web. Awesome. http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/556181565571469312)
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KevinMarks_ OK, how do I submit to indienews?
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tantek what is submit to indienews
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "submit to indienews" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=submit+to+indienews
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tantek what is indienews
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Loqi IndieNews is an indieweb version of Hacker News where in order to: https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieNews
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tantek.com created /submit_to_indienews (+50) "stub with link" (view diff)
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tantek KevinMarks, you link to Fargo.io - yet it is completely broken/useless without javascript
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@ken_bauer RT @benwerd: "We Like #IndieWeb Software": @kevinmarks goes deep on the rationale behind the indie web. Awesome. http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/556182088374710273)
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tantek thus I can't tell that Fargo "does" anything, for outliners or anything else
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KevinMarks_ Anil linked to it, not me
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KevinMarks_ I just quoted the link
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kylewm yeah and anil's call to action is VERY similar to fargo
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kylewm put json in dropbox, etc.
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@KatiMichel RT @kevinmarks: "We Like Indieweb Software" - a response to @anildash's "I Like Blogging Software" http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/556182581419704321)
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benwerd Comment from the Known mailing list: "where should I start reading if I do not have the web knowledge to understand indiewebcamp?"
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tantek indiewebcamp.com
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tantek and if they don't understand something, ask!
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tantek the point of the March 2014 rewrite of the top of that page by Scott Jenson et al was to provide an introduction that does not require "web knowledge"
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tantek and increasingly we are trying to make every page more readable to more people in both the dfn/summary at top, and the initial "Why" section.
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@kevinmarks @polotek well, it took a while, but I wrote a longer response to Anil than twitter allows: http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/556183238272503808)
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@kylewm2 RT @kevinmarks: "We Like Indieweb Software" - a response to @anildash's "I Like Blogging Software" http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/556183529684357120)
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@timweston RT @benwerd: "We Like #IndieWeb Software": @kevinmarks goes deep on the rationale behind the indie web. Awesome. http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/556184880405807106)
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KevinMarks_ hm, is there a 'send webmentions for every link in the page' tool?
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aaronpk i think indiewebify.me has that
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KevinMarks_ though that will spam the wiki
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GWG Has someone been doing something to Bridgy?
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aaronpk GWG: I just got a storm of bridgy mentions
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Loqi [mention] https://twitter.com/anildash/status/555408559450906624 posted 'Recently on Twitter Anil Dash and I had a bit of a back and forth: Hi, it's been two years, will somebody go build this set of tools and ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture
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Loqi [mention] https://twitter.com/anildash/status/555408559450906624 posted 'Recently on Twitter Anil Dash and I had a bit of a back and forth: Hi, it's been two years, will somebody go build this set of tools and ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Vox+shut
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Loqi [mention] https://twitter.com/anildash/status/555408559450906624 posted 'Recently on Twitter Anil Dash and I had a bit of a back and forth: Hi, it's been two years, will somebody go build this set of tools and ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Pownce.com
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Loqi [mention] https://twitter.com/anildash/status/555408559450906624 posted 'Recently on Twitter Anil Dash and I had a bit of a back and forth: Hi, it's been two years, will somebody go build this set of tools and ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/silos
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Loqi [mention] https://twitter.com/anildash/status/555408559450906624 posted 'Recently on Twitter Anil Dash and I had a bit of a back and forth: Hi, it's been two years, will somebody go build this set of tools and ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/itches
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Loqi [mention] https://twitter.com/anildash/status/555408559450906624 posted 'Recently on Twitter Anil Dash and I had a bit of a back and forth: Hi, it's been two years, will somebody go build this set of tools and ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/Markdown
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Loqi [mention] https://twitter.com/anildash/status/555408559450906624 posted 'Recently on Twitter Anil Dash and I had a bit of a back and forth: Hi, it's been two years, will somebody go build this set of tools and ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/JSON
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Loqi [mention] https://twitter.com/anildash/status/555408559450906624 posted 'Recently on Twitter Anil Dash and I had a bit of a back and forth: Hi, it's been two years, will somebody go build this set of tools and ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/microformats2
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kylewm GWG: yeah snarfed just changed the facebook to use the v2.2 API, are you getting a thundering herd of facebook mentions?
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KevinMarks_ hm
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GWG aaronpk: Me too. And I hooked mentions into my phone
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aaronpk haha
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KevinMarks_ why did loqi think they were from the tweet?
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Loqi is done
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aaronpk yeah mine go to IRC which sends push notificatinos to my phone
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GWG kylewm: What are the benefits of the new API?
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GWG I've seen the downside
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kylewm old API is going away
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kylewm what is the downside?
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: did you just send webmentions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "downside" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=downside
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KevinMarks_ I used indiewebify.me
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KevinMarks_ and I got the indiewnes post format wrong
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aaronpk indienews is hard right now :(
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KevinMarks_ well, the browser not showing the http when I copy and me missing it int he paste was the probelm
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aaronpk oh yeah that
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tantek why is Bridgy claiming that Anil's tweet links to indiewebcamp?
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aaronpk that's not a bridgy notifcation
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tantek or is that Loqi's misinterpretation of Bridgy?
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aaronpk that's a prblem with webmention.io, probably because of a bug in the ruby parser
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tantek heh
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KevinMarks_ that's loqi getting confused by my embed?
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tantek at least the ruby parser is getting good exercising
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tantek KevinMarks indeed - that tweet's u-url in your embed is the first u-url in the page, or inside the h-entry, and it appears the ruby parser doesn't know that that u-url belongs to the h-cite, not the h-entry
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tantek definitely looks like a ruby parser bug with handling even one nested microformat
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GWG kylewm: I'm getting flooded with messages.
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aaronpk yeah the ruby one doesn't handle nested things well
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tantek seems like at all
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aaronpk https://github.com/G5/microformats2/issues/31
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aaronpk although I did a workaround for webmention.io which I'm surprised didn't work
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tantek KevinMarks - as a work around you could add this after the <h2>
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aaronpk oh the workaround was not for the author property
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kylewm GWG: I don't know what that means
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tantek this has nothing to do with author
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tantek this is u-url that the ruby parser is screwing up
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aaronpk what do you mean?
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tantek it's grabbing the u-url from *inside* the h-cite
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tantek and claiming it's part of the h-entry
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tantek hence [mention] Twitter URL "posted" ...
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aaronpk oh you're right: https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/blob/master/helpers/webmention_processor.rb#L139
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tantek KevinMarks, right after the <h2>, and before the <div class="e-content"> put this:
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tantek <div>Permalink: <kbd class="u-url">http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html</kbd></div>
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tantek or if you prefer
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aaronpk it uses the u-url if there is no author found
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tantek <dl><dt>Permalink</dt><dd class="u-url">http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html</dd></dl>
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aaronpk GWG: on the plus side, now you get to test out de-duping of webmention notifications
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tantek and it's getting the u-url wrong
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aaronpk is anyone running the ruby parser online anywhere like pin13.net/mf2?
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tantek wow - there is no "author" in that page at all!
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tantek KevinMarks: and just before that permalink div, put this:
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aaronpk ah yeah here's what the ruby parser sees: https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/6a2b8e48091f1b87f80f
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aaronpk that's really bad
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tantek <div>by: <a class="p-author h-card" href="http://www.kevinmarks.com/">Kevin Marks</a></div>
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kylewm the ruby parser hurt us with the feedbin guy too by the way. he had bad luck trying out mf2 with it.
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tantek what is the ruby parser?
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aaronpk there's two issues with the ruby parser
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ruby parser" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ruby+parser
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tantek kylewm - could you stub that page with specific issues that have bitten us now with real world examples?
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Loqi [bridgy] Kristy Golubiewski-Davis liked a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/checkins (https://facebook.com/14305603/posts/10101271675723594)
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tantek I feel like we need to get the ruby folks focused on fixing what's actually causing problems
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aaronpk one is that it made some ruby-ish decisions about how to access the mf2 data using native methods, things like a method "content" returning the first element in the "content" array and "contents" which returns the array, which then makes things really weird when the property is "published" because you have to use "publisheds"
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aaronpk if you don't like those design decisions you can just use the raw data structure by doing parsed.to_hash
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aaronpk but that isn't well documented
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aaronpk the other problem is it's just not parsing nested values which has now caused actual issues
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GWG aaronpk: Not really. I have 75 webmention to moderate. The WordPress webmention plugin throws the original webmention into moderation in the event of an update.
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tantek I'm tempted to start a CASSIS microformats parser and see how fast I can get it more functional than the ruby one.
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tantek moderationqueue--
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Loqi [bridgy] https://facebook.com/1579270045652472#10152677263201794 was invited to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-14-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi moderationqueue has -1 karma
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GWG aaronpk: It doesn't classify it as a dupe, fortunately.
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aaronpk these bridgy storms are making me need to handle webmentions better too
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aaronpk right now each one results in a git commit which spams my git history like crazy
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aaronpk I should really be clustering the commits a little better
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Loqi definitely
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tantek gives Loqi a bunch of yesses.
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GWG aaronpk: Isn't this an update issue, not a dedupe?
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Loqi eats the bunch of yesses.
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aaronpk GWG: i'm not really sure actually
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tantek is not surprised.
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aaronpk but if it's updates, that's easier
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kylewm bridgy is re-sending old webmentions to you?
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GWG kylewm: Yes
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aaronpk kylewm: i'm not sure but it's sending me tons
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GWG They are all old ones
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kylewm only facebook?
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aaronpk they are all ones i've gotten before but i don't know if the source URL or contents have changed
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aaronpk and yes only facbeook
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aaronpk going back as far as halloween too
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kylewm interesting :(
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kylewm i bet the contents has changed with the new API and it thinks they are updates
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aaronpk thinks he should add something to his log that indicates whether the webmention was an update of an existing one
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GWG aaronpk: I have going back earlier than Halloween.
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KevinMarks_ I link to it
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@xtof_fr "We like #indieweb software" > http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html /via @benwerd Un match conversationnel á suivre ce .. http://xtof.withknown.com/2015/we-like-indieweb-software-we-like-indieweb-softwarehtml-via-benwerd-un-match-conversationnel (twitter.com/_/status/556191593921650688)
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GWG kylewm: That was what I was asking earlier. Any new capabilities possible for Bridgy with the new API?
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KevinMarks_ what's kbd?
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kylewm GWG: I'm not sure but usually new API versions go the other way, taking away features :P
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@Johannes_Ernst RT @kevinmarks: "We Like Indieweb Software" - a response to @anildash's "I Like Blogging Software" http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/556191978531352576)
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kylewm https://developers.facebook.com/docs/apps/changelog/
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GWG kylewm: I'm hoping for something good
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tantek KevinMarks, kbd is an HTML tag indicating the semantic of "here's something you might type in (e.g. into a keyboard)"
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tantek and it's counterpart is <samp> which indicates the semantic of "Here is sample output you might see."</samp>
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KevinMarks_ not sure I like that, I'll just link the H1
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tantek don't know why I closed the samp.
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aaronpk habit
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tantek linking a page to itself is bad for accessibility
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tantek person clicks the link and nothing appears to happen
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tantek so no, don't link the page to itself
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aaronpk hmm interesting point. all my pages link to themselves on the date permalink
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KevinMarks_ i think that ship has sailed
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tantek that's daft as you might say
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tantek just because others use crappy markup - never justifies you doing so
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tantek if you want something minimal / invisible / unlikely to break
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tantek you can use <a href="" class="u-url"></a>
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kylewm s/daft/bobbins
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tantek assuming you don't have a <base> that points somewhere other than the page
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KevinMarks_ so the "more determinstic" part is a bit of an exaggeration
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KevinMarks_ OK, is thta better? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kevinmarks.com%2Fwe-like-indieweb-software.html
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aaronpk hey the ruby parser at least has the correct URL as the first one in the list now
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KevinMarks_ seems like a major webmention bug that it accepts a u-url redirect from a page
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aaronpk that's the basis of how bridgy works tho
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tantek KevinMarks not at all - same as if the page was saying rel=canonical
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tantek to some other page
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tantek completely by design
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KevinMarks_ so I can link to you and send a webmentions saying an arbitrary URL links to you instead and you accept it?
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aaronpk that is what bridgy does
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tantek the test is whether the *source* links to the *target*.
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tantek not whether some other page linked from the source links to the target
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KevinMarks_ right, but if you embed a webmention saying Anil linked to you it is a bit odd
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tantek what do you mean by "embed a webmention"
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tantek did you mean to say "embed a comment"?
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KevinMarks_ yes, embed a comment
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tantek let's not calling things by the plumbing transport
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KevinMarks_ sorry
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KevinMarks_ OK, I'm on gillmor gang now
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tantek KevinMarks - there are indeed things we can improve in /comments-presentation
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KevinMarks_ hm, I think i killed indiewebify.me
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tantek loads for me
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KevinMarks_ maybe it won't resend the mentions
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tantek KevinMarks, would you consider changing this heading then? <h2>webmentions</h2>
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tantek e.g. perhaps to <h2>reactions</h2>
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tantek er
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KevinMarks_ I just posted to indienews. that was way too hard
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tantek <h2>Responses</h2>
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tantek is better than <h2>webmentions</h2>
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tantek can you fix that too?
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KevinMarks_ on air now
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tantek (I myself prefer "Interactions", but more folks here prefer "Responses" so that's the current cultural norm as much as we have one) http://indiewebcamp.com/interactions#Responses
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benwerd did bridgy just spring into life?
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benwerd I'm told Known just sent someone like 60 notification emails
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benwerd (which we should protect against)
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kylewm tantek: please double check^
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kylewm ohh, my turn for a webmention storm
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tantek.com edited /reaction (+314) "subheads, advice to use response instead, FAQ, see also" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: looks good, added a bit more prose
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tantek one thing that would help a lot - if each issue had a visible link to the github issue for it
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: webmention.io won't send the notification here for updates
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KevinMarks_ ah
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KevinMarks_ I need to do some templating for my site, this manual construction is fiddly
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tantek heh
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Loqi [mention] http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/next-hwc (webmention)
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KevinMarks_ hm, I webmentioned myself lol
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aaronpk I do that sometimes
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aaronpk makes my comments appear below my posts which is cool
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KevinMarks_ tantek self-link point taken
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KevinMarks_ http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html#responses
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aaronpk oh lol
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KevinMarks_ no, as I made the post link to itself...
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KevinMarks_ derp
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aaronpk that is not ideal, heh
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KevinMarks_ hm does webmention.herokuapp.com have a delete?
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aaronpk webmention.io certainly doesn't, oops
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millette KevinMarks, your link to anil's post has an extra 's' on html - should be http://dashes.com/anil/2013/04/i-like-blogging-software.html
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millette (at the very top)
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KevinMarks_ thanks
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millette I like purple ;-)
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aaronpk sad his comments section is a facebook thingy
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KevinMarks_ !tell voxpelli is there a way to delete unwanted webmentions with webmention.herokuapp.com
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks_ well he does say that
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: Not yet, will make one as part of Vouch-support
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Loqi voxpelli: KevinMarks_ left you a message 43 seconds ago: is there a way to delete unwanted webmentions with webmention.herokuapp.com
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KevinMarks_ I ended up webmentioning myself by accident
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: I guess I can remove that from the database manually
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voxpelli What page accidentally mentioned which?
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KevinMarks_ http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html linked to it self and I auto-sent webmentions to all links
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KevinMarks_ http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html#responses
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voxpelli ah, a page mentioning itself – I wonder if that should even be allowed?
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aaronpk probably not worth storing
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aaronpk i can't imagine when that would be useful to see
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cweiske like two mirrors looking at each other
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aaronpk makes a note to update webmention.io to not log those
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cweiske what about anchor links?
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aaronpk ?
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cweiske page.htm links to page.htm#foo
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aaronpk that might be useful to store
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aaronpk basically if source==target I'm just gonna ignore it
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voxpelli I think I will do the same, will make a note as well
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: The self-mention has been removed :)
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aaronpk hmm my bookmarks don't have an author
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tantek good afternoon #indiewebcamp!
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KevinMarks_ OK, Gillmor Gnag done
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tantek just missed it :(
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voxpelli aaronpk: just noticed you bookmarked KevinMarks_ page, I guess I should parse that as a bookmark and add it to the facepile
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KevinMarks_ so I need to add bookmark markup
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tantek what is IndieWebCampGermany?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWebCampGermany" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IndieWebCampGermany
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voxpelli I added support for all http://indiewebcamp.com/interactions to my endpoint, but I guess that I missed bookmarks + RSVP as they aren't mentioned there
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KevinMarks_ so if I comment on anil's post using FB will bridgy see it as a POSSE?
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snarfed hi all! sorry for the bridgy storm(s)
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: likely won't add bookmarks right now, have some other fixes in the pipe right now
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snarfed kylewm's right, probably the fb api upgrade
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snarfed hopefully they were all resends, ie the source URL and uid props matched the original ones
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snarfed i got a bunch too, and the wordpress indieweb plugin(s) successfully de-duped them all, so i'm guessing so
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snarfed KevinMarks_: if you link to anil's post in your FB post, and people comment/like that, bridgy will try to send those comments/likes to anil's site
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tantek Is anyone interested in participating in an IndieWebCampDC or an IndieWebCampProvidence?
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snarfed (so yes)
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KevinMarks_ no, i meant if I use the comment form here: http://dashes.com/anil/2013/04/i-like-blogging-software.html
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KevinMarks_ though the button doesn't seem to work
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snarfed KevinMarks_: ah i see. no, bridgy just looks at your posts, not your comments on other people's posts
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KevinMarks_ looks like his FB comments are broken
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tantek KevinMarks - per what evidence?
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KevinMarks_ 'cos when I try to submit one nothing happens
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tantek do you have NoScript?
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KevinMarks_ I bet they moved the endpoint or something
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KevinMarks_ nope
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tantek and which browser?
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KevinMarks_ I have adblock
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KevinMarks_ chrome
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tantek maybe try FF to verify that it's not a browser issue?
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KevinMarks_ worked in safari
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KevinMarks_ hm
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KevinMarks_ http://dashes.com/anil/2013/04/i-like-blogging-software.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_355631364557782_681101138677468_681101138677468#f1b7ea4ca
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KevinMarks_ so the "also post to facebook" doesn't do anything?
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tantek am I really the first like? ;) (on KevinMarks's post)
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aaronpk i bookmarked it instead cause I wanted to tag it indieweb
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snarfed tantek: indie likers are still a pretty small club
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snarfed maybe single digits?
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tantek snarfed - according to /like#IndieWeb_Examples - yes
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KevinMarks_ heh, it says 8 hours ago
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snarfed heh, i'm sure that undercounts, but still, yes
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tantek KevinMarks, worse, the link is broken
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tantek the link to the like permalink
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KevinMarks_ wow
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tantek yep
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tantek which parser are you using?
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KevinMarks_ webmention.herokuapp.com
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snarfed benwerd: apologies if the bridgy storm annoyed known users. if you saw dupes in the wild that had different source urls and uid properties, definitely let me know. happy to help debug
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KevinMarks_ {"source":"http://tantek.com/2015/016/f1","target":"http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html","data":{"url":"http://tantek.com/2015/016/f1","name":null,"published":1421419320000,"summary":"likes Kevin Marks’s “We Like IndieWeb Software”.","author":{"name":"Tantek Çelik","photo":"http://tantek.com/logo.jpg","url":"http://tantek.com/2015/"},"interactionType":"like","interactions":["http://www.kevinmarks
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KevinMarks_ is what it parsed
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aaronpk oh it's linking to the author home page?
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benwerd snarfed: no worries - I was just worried we'd done something at our end that I hadn't realized! I'm not seeing dupes with different source URLs - will do some work to prevent duplicate notifications
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snarfed benwerd: great, ok. (also, low priority, but consider using the uid prop for de-duping too!)
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benwerd snarfed++
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benwerd will do
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Loqi snarfed has 75 karma
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KevinMarks_ your author ref is ../ but it is 2 levels down
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KevinMarks_ so it gets /2015
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KevinMarks_ http://tantek.com/2015/016/f1
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@kid_OYO RT @benwerd: "We Like #IndieWeb Software": @kevinmarks goes deep on the rationale behind the indie web. Awesome. http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/556222039120691200)
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KevinMarks_ <a href="../" class="p-author h-card author-icon" rel="author" title="Tantek Çelik"><img src="../logo.jpg" alt="Tantek Çelik" /></a>
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tantek KevinMarks - nope - you have to obey <base>
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voxpelli Yep, seems like a bug by me :P
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tantek or should I say, works fine with phpmf2 http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://tantek.com/2015/016/f1
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KevinMarks_ it's all about the base
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tantek voxpelli++ for webmention.herokuapp.com
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Loqi voxpelli has 18 karma
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voxpelli the photo works with node-microformat: http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2015%2F016%2Ff1&filters=&callback=
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voxpelli and I think the URL issue should be solved now as well:
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KevinMarks_ voxpelli++
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Loqi voxpelli has 19 karma
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tantek now let me see if I can help with the CSS
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KevinMarks_ node-microformat hasn't expanded the URL there, it's still ../ but it has no base
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tantek voxpelli: I suggest:
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voxpelli KevinMarks_: yes, I think Glenn hasn't updated the demo site after I sent him a PR for that
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tantek .webmention-facepile :link,.webmention-facepile :visited { text-decoration:none; }
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tantek to get rid of the underlines under the heart and recycle icons
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voxpelli tantek: the CSS is actually hosted by KevinMarks_ – I haven't been brave enough to bundle the embed HTML with CSS yet
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KevinMarks_ right
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tantek ah - then either KevinMarks can fix that
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KevinMarks_ they looks very funny without it
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tantek or if you want to fix it by default
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KevinMarks_ is that a FF thing? I don't have a css reset
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tantek <a style="text-decoration:none" href="… etc.
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tantek KevinMarks - it is a subtle detail of text-decoration implementation with nested elements that I believe Firefox (Gecko) is doing correctly but Safari (Webkit) is not.
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hober could you file a bug?
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tantek hey hey hey I seem to have pinged one of hober's keywords :)
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hober :)
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tantek if the it's still there in Sydney, happy to work with you to file a bug. it's likely *very subtle* so I'll need help saying the right things
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tantek or my version of Safari (Webkit) is old :/
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KevinMarks_ or I could swap them out for images
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tantek KevinMarks: you have a broken fragment link
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hober i won't be in sydney, but dino will be there. you can bug him with it :)
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tantek could you <h2>responses</h2> to <h2 id="responses">responses</h2>
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tantek hober, sounds good :) except sorry to miss you in Sydney :(
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hober yeah; it's hard to justify sending anyone from california when we can easily send someone from canberra :)
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KevinMarks_ it's a fragmention
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KevinMarks_ so your noscript is hosing it
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tantek I though single-# fragmentions needed to be 2+ words
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tantek :P
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KevinMarks_ not in my latest thinking
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KevinMarks_ if there isn't an id or name that matches, fall back to text
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tantek is that documented in /fragmention#Brainstorming ?
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KevinMarks_ I'll look
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KevinMarks_ css fixed
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tantek nice
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tantek KevinMarks_, voxpelli is the "Unknown" due to aaronpk bookmarking your post?
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tantek https://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/01/16/1/indieweb
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KevinMarks_ yes, no author as aaronpk said
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voxpelli yeah, will be hard to present the bookmark in a good way without any author-info
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tantek hmmm - let me try
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tantek classic "will be hard" engineer trolling to "challenge accepted" ;)
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tantek wait wat - aaronpk - now *this* is trolling: <meta name="author" content="Aaron Parecki"> SERIOUSLY?
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tantek aaronpk, can you move your class name of h-entry from that div to body?
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tantek change <body> to <body class="h-entry">
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tantek and <div class="container-fluid container-narrow h-entry"> to <div class="container-fluid container-narrow">
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tantek AND change <a href="/">Aaron Parecki</a> to <a class="p-author h-card" href="/">Aaron Parecki</a>
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tantek that ought to do it
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tantek moving one class name, and adding two more. no extra content, no extra tags.
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tantek and if you really want to provide more compat
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tantek change <a href="/">Aaron Parecki</a> to <a class="p-author h-card" href="/" rel="author">Aaron Parecki</a>
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tantek BTW hober, while you're here, you should add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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hober i would if i could sign in
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hober I successfully do the indieauth dance but when i land back on the wiki i'm not signed in
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tantek aaronpk ^^^
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tantek which provider are you using?
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hober indieauth.com
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danlyke hober, I was having this kind of problem yesterday and I think it came from trying to log in from a URL with a "#" in it (ie a name ref).
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danlyke Trim the URL from the # and try again.
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tantek curious to see if that works
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hober there's no #
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tantek hober what button did you click on indieauth.com ?
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hober twitter.com/hober
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tantek hmm
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kylewm snarfed: seeing some weird duplicate mentions with different urls
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snarfed kylewm: hmm ok. example links?
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kylewm https://kylewm.com/2014/11/you-should-probably-vote-today-and-you-should-probably
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snarfed also, do the uid properties match?
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kylewm the links are all duplicates, with different bridgy urls and different permalink urls
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snarfed :( sigh
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kylewm if you refresh, i added the source and u-url
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kylewm (i don't check uid...probably should)
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snarfed ahhhhh looks like the 2.x facebook api now uses different/obfuscated user ids
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snarfed ugh
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kylewm i'm very confused how the author URL seems to be different
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snarfed whee
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kylewm oh that would explain it
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edward.oconnor.cx edited /IRC_People (+61) "/* Nicknames */ added self" (view diff)
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tantek hober what fixed it?