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# 00:08 tantek voxpelli: do you want a bug for <base> support or do you already have one filed?
# 00:09 snarfed kylewm: you mean the first id in that path, not the third?
# 00:09 snarfed probably because you signed up for bridgy before the migration to 2.x api
# 00:10 GWG snarfed: I'm seeing some duplication as well.
# 00:10 GWG Tell me if there is anything I can do to help in testing
# 00:10 snarfed nah problem is already clear, described in the gh issue i linked
# 00:10 GWG snarfed: I already forgave you for the 75 push notifications to my phone
# 00:12 GWG Now I should decide if I should keep the new mentions you sent or the old ones
# 00:12 tantek it's good, we're learning how to handle spamming/throttling, indirectly ;)
# 00:15 GWG By the way, I've taken on another project
# 00:16 GWG With pfefferle's blessing, I'm going to work on the Indieweb WordPress plugin, after all the comments I got this week by confused people
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# 00:17 GWG I want to make it easier for people who have WordPress sites to know what to do to indiewebify them
# 00:21 GWG But many people just install the plugin and let it recommend things.
# 00:21 GWG It bills itself as JetPack for the Indieweb.
# 00:22 GWG It needs a better presentation to do that. JetPack has a page where it really explains each module.
# 00:23 kylewm I realized that Jetpack seems pretty similar to the realization benwerd is coming to about the limitations of shared hosting
# 00:23 kylewm in that jetpack seems to provide lots of features as services rather than plugins
# 00:24 GWG kylewm: It does both, which is my objection to it.
# 00:24 benwerd kylewm: definitely - and Jetpack is definitely a progressive enhancement rather than something that silos you, which is great
# 00:53 GWG I do need a better description though than the one the plugin has now...
# 00:53 GWG "IndieWeb version of WordPress' Jetpack plugin" sounds misleading
# 00:53 GWG It is inspired by the idea of Jetpack, but it isn't a version of it
# 00:57 GWG It acts like a directory and installer of Indieweb Plugins
# 00:57 GWG It used to bundle them, but doesn't anymore
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# 01:06 kylewm could stick with the jetpack theme, indieweb hoverboard :)
# 01:09 GWG The reason Jetpack was mentioned was for what it is...but it makes it sound like its a clone, not something with a similar purpose
# 01:09 kylewm I like it as a metaphor for like "turboboost your wordpress site"
# 01:10 kylewm something that similarly implied turbo-boost your indiewebness" might work?
# 01:12 GWG I always gathered Jetpack was originally designed to add the features of Wordpress.com to a self-hosted WordPress install.
# 01:12 GWG But, the result is you need a wordpress.com account to use Jetpack
# 01:14 GWG tantek: Well, to get the ball, you need the chain
# 01:14 GWG A lot of the features would require a service, thus an account, but many don't.
# 01:22 GWG Requiring a login to use code that has no need of a third-party seems wrong.
# 01:25 kylewm still brainstorming, stop me if this is not helpful... IndieWeb Docent/Guide/Tourguide/Handbook
# 01:25 GWG I use something called Slim Jetpack. It takes the code and removes the account requirement. But, either way...
# 01:26 GWG So, it's a directory of Indieweb plugins in that regard.
# 01:26 GWG But directory seems like something else
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# 01:27 kylewm yeah directory is a little non-specific/boring
# 01:30 GWG But it doesn't bundle. It gets each plugin from its repository.
# 01:32 snarfed GWG: oh, you're talkjing about "plugin installer," not the indieweb plugin? ok
# 01:34 GWG snarfed: It's the same thing. The Indieweb plugin is a plugin installer now. It no longer bundles Semantic Linkbacks and WordPress webmentions, it installs them
# 01:40 KevinMarks_ "it enhances your wordpress site by connecting it to the indieweb"
# 01:40 GWG KevinMarks_: It doesn't. All it does is let you install other plugins
# 01:40 GWG So, it helps you enhance your WordPress site.
# 01:41 KevinMarks_ on wednesday I sat with Jean as she tried to use ti, and we were confused
# 01:41 kylewm like, would a non-techy person care whether it installs stuff or bundles stuff?
# 01:42 GWG kylewm: A non-techy person knows about WordPress plugins
# 01:42 snarfed more importantly, we've probably spent too much time debating the language
# 01:43 snarfed language is important, but also diminishing returns here
# 01:43 KevinMarks_ the way the copy is written it confused us wheher it would install things or we had to do it manually
# 01:43 snarfed go build out the functionality, and if it's good, people won't care (much) how you describe it
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# 01:44 GWG KevinMarks_: I now have commit authority, with pfefferle's permission, to fix the copy.
# 01:46 GWG There are two things I'm going to add.
# 01:46 GWG One is the 1-liner description. The other is the longer one. The longer one is easier
# 01:47 KevinMarks_ changing jean's twitter profile to link to her site as the URL was part fo the brid.gy process too
# 01:48 kylewm would be amused if Wordpress beats Known to using the bridgy backdoor auth
# 01:50 kylewm KevinMarks_: actually that bridgy auth thing can help there too... one of Ben's requests was a way to specify the user's site to bridgy directly, and that overrides the silo profile URL settings
# 01:51 KevinMarks_ though changing the twitter URL to the personal URL is useful for making indiewauth work
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# 02:39 KevinMarks_ one thing that writing that post made clear was that joining the indieweb is a lot of things
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# 03:42 tantek benwerd: hmm - your post doesn't seem to be getting my reply
# 03:44 tantek Pretty sure I've commented successfully on werd.io before - thus I'm curious what may be going wrong
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# 03:48 tantek aside, I'm finding it quite enjoyable to post likes and webmention them from my own site
# 03:49 tantek definitely motivating to like more indie posts
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# 03:51 tantek snarfed, kylewm what does "{ "error": "Error: 'bool' object has no attribute 'lower'" }
" mean as a return from Bridgy Publish of a Facebook "like"?
# 03:51 snarfed heh, sorry, tantek, it means i'm fixing fb api upgrade bugs
# 03:52 tantek hmm - the like apparently did go through though
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# 05:00 kylewm tantek: Known doesn't like h-cites right now. I have the same problem
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# 07:55 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# 07:58 tantek !tell snarfed,kylewm just got a "{ "error": "Error: Forbidden HTTP Error 403: Forbidden" }
" response from submitting http://tantek.com/2015/016/f13 to Bridgy Publish for Twitter, but the favoriting of the tweet worked.
# 07:58 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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# 08:26 tantek !tell snarfed,kylewm n.m. re: f13 - it was a duplicate post on my end and the 403 may have been from trying to favorite a tweet twice.
# 08:26 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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# 12:01 snarfed !tell tantek bridgy publish doesn't (yet) support liking comments
# 12:01 Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 5 minutes ago: does Bridgy Publish have challenges with liking a comment (reply) on a comment on a photo post? e.g. http://tantek.com/2015/016/f9
# 12:01 snarfed looks like the failure mode isn't great though, i'll fix that
# 12:01 Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 3 minutes ago: just got a "{ "error": "Error: Forbidden HTTP Error 403: Forbidden" }
" response from submitting http://tantek.com/2015/016/f13 to Bridgy Publish for Twitter, but the favoriting of the tweet worked.
# 12:01 Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 35 minutes ago: n.m. re: f13 - it was a duplicate post on my end and the 403 may have been from trying to favorite a tweet twice.
# 12:02 Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 35 minutes ago: n.m. re: f13 - it was a duplicate post on my end and the 403 may have been from trying to favorite a tweet twice.
# 12:02 Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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# 17:00 GWG !tell pfefferle Pushed a bunch of changes into the WordPress Indieweb Repository. Wanted your opinion so far
# 17:00 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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# 17:17 kylewm tommorris: I sent mf2py a PR for the newly clarified "value" parsing spec
# 17:17 Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 21 minutes ago: does Bridgy Publish have challenges with liking a comment (reply) on a comment on a photo post? e.g. http://tantek.com/2015/016/f9
# 17:17 Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 19 minutes ago: just got a "{ "error": "Error: Forbidden HTTP Error 403: Forbidden" }
" response from submitting http://tantek.com/2015/016/f13 to Bridgy Publish for Twitter, but the favoriting of the tweet worked.
# 17:17 Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 51 minutes ago: n.m. re: f13 - it was a duplicate post on my end and the 403 may have been from trying to favorite a tweet twice.
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# 17:35 Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message 5 hours, 33 minutes ago: bridgy publish doesn't (yet) support liking comments
# 17:43 tantek I suppose I should file an issue then, since I now have a real world example :)
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# 20:23 Jeena snarfed, hm I'll have to look into it, perhaps I should let it send me a mail when it is 500ing
# 20:26 Jeena ok: This installation of RMagick was configured with ImageMagick 6.8.8 but ImageMagick 6.9.0-3 is in use.
# 20:31 kylewm does anybody know if there is a procedure for moving Known from a subdomain to the main domain? known.mydomain.com to mydomain.com?
# 20:32 kylewm most things seem to still work after moving, but there are references to known.mydomain.com in the DB still
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# 21:04 snarfed KevinMarks_: interesting. the key point i can't tell from the post is whether he ran his tests this on the same datasets as in the literature
# 21:05 snarfed he says "billions of edges" and "GB of data," but not whether they were the same
# 21:06 snarfed totally agree with the conclusion that for small to medium data - which most data is! - less is more
# 21:06 KevinMarks_ also the amount of RAM in an off the shelf machine has gone up a lot since pagerank was written
# 21:17 KevinMarks_ part of the point of mapreduce vs db's is 'touch each piece of data once'
# 21:18 snarfed esp considering disk io (specifically seeks) dominates lots of those workloads
# 21:19 snarfed ssds have changed that somewhat, but not entirely
# 21:21 KevinMarks_ you're not doing index read/data read but just straight data read?
# 21:22 snarfed fair. they halfway avoid them, and halfway trade them off for network RPCs, since you still have to logically seek during shuffle
# 21:22 snarfed but that happens in way bigger batches, so it was a win
# 21:23 KevinMarks_ and at shuffle stage you have everything in RAM across the cluster
# 21:26 snarfed depending on config. you could opt to not keep everything pinned in ram, if you had a lot of data and not a lot of machine budget
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# 21:59 Phyks is there any way to post files through micropub ? (to link images to a post for instance)
# 21:59 Phyks I read the wiki page but it does not seem to be included
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# 23:54 tantek hey at least Bridgy doesn't support Medium yet. :P ;)