#indiewebcamp 2015-01-20

2015-01-20 UTC
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tantek.com edited /like (+911) "-(), FB used thumb til 2013 rede, Friendfeed introduced like button 2007 with a link, see also Wikipedia article on like button" (view diff)
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tantek apparently Friendfeed introduced (invented?) the like button, now documented: http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Friendfeed
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tantek however certainly Flickr introduced favorites before then, and maybe Twitter too
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tantek though I can't seem to dig up when Twitter introduced favoriting of tweets
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GWG Evening
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+197) "/* UI 2014-04 */ note that image might not show up on first load" (view diff)
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@MicropubInfo kylewm/flask-micropub: flask-micropub - Flask extension to support IndieAuth and Micropub clients. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://github.com/kylewm/flask-micropub/&ct=ga&cd=CAIyHDNlNjg4ODQzODIxNzA0ZmU6Y28udWs6ZW46R0I&usg=AFQjCNEgK_WGz1jkJZR5dXg7c8kWa_3sug&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/557344127994433537)
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tantek Evening, GWG (delayed response)
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GWG Hi, tantek
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pwcc tantek, reference to twitter introducing them from @ev https://blog.twitter.com/2006/six-more-twitter-updates
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pwcc BTW, G'day all.
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GWG pwcc: G'day
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tantek pwcc - whoa - good find!
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tantek pwcc++
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Loqi pwcc has 5 karma
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pwcc hey GWG
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pwcc Have noticed you've been doing a bunch of coding recentlt
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GWG How are Indieweb things?
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GWG pwcc: Oh?
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pwcc GWG: Writing rather & compiling notes.
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tantek.com edited /favorite (+522) "/* Twitter */ note when favorites feature introduced by Twitter, thanks to pwcc for the citation!" (view diff)
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pwcc GWG: I have some notes, need to put them into bullet points.
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GWG Ok
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pwcc GWG: in many respect, they boil down to gettiung something like https://ben.thatmustbe.me/new running for WP.
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GWG Micropub
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pwcc GWG: Y. Even if faux micropub form initially - to define meta data - then move on to full implementaiton./
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pwcc GWG: again, got to find time to write.
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GWG Ok
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+32) "/* Early User Interface */ narrow down possible date of screenshot to before favorites were introduced" (view diff)
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GWG pwcc: I've been working on my starter theme
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pwcc GWG: thought I'd seen something -was my github feed.
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GWG I have more to do.
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GWG I keep iterating
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GWG And backporting from _s.
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GWG And SemPress
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tantek.com edited /favorite (+350) "/* Silo Examples */ Flickr may have been first to do "favorite" button, "favorites" collection. Note Twitter history of UI screenshots." (view diff)
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GWG pwcc: I just figured out how to eliminate a bunch of redundant code
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pwcc GWG: It is looking good. How are you finding kinds v formats?
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GWG There are overlaps.
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GWG But for the most part, kinds are a whole different sets of style.
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GWG The only overlap is...
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GWG Bookmark <- Link
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GWG Photo <- Image
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GWG Note <- Aside or Status
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pwcc Standard <- article ??
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GWG Article <- Standard
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GWG Standard is also false
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GWG But, I keep refining, trying to make it easier.
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pwcc GWG: it is looking nice, will you try to get it in the w.org repo?
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GWG It's a starter theme, I will build a theme off it
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GWG Although, it is sort of styled to the point it could be usable
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pwcc There's > 1 starter theme in there already.
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GWG Have you seen the theme in use?
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GWG I have it up on a test site
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pwcc Not as yet, no. I'm going to grab a late lunch - are you able to post a link
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pwcc surname at my domain if you want to keep it off the archives.
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us
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GWG I don't mind
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GWG Anyone can comment
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GWG It's a bunch of random test data, and some pull in from my site
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GWG I develop in public.
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GWG Also I've added in a project that does CSS modals.
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pwcc GWG: ta - i'm the same, many eyes are good.
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GWG Your opinion is welcome
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KevinMarks_ note that now-dead twtter URL from ev's post: https://twitter.com/favourings/top10
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tantek it was Biz's post ;)
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tantek KevinMarks - even more interesting, note the absence of the word "Tweet" from the text of that blog post
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tantek e.g. the link text of that URL is "Top 10 Favorite Twitters"
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tantek and in the first bullet: "When you come across a **Twitter update** that […]"
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tantek thus back in 2006-11-14 they were calling tweets both "Twitter updates", and just plain "Twitters".
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tantek what is a tweet?
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Loqi A tweet is a note (or reply) posted on Twitter https://indiewebcamp.com/tweet
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tantek.com edited /tweet (+828) "document some evidence of before / after use of the term tweet" (view diff)
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tantek apparently I joined twitter just 8 days before they added those features
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pwcc I'm such a n00b, 2008.
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pwcc tantek, when did your mentions become useless?
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tantek pwcc I don't understand the question
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pwcc tantek, when did you start getting so many mentions from typos it became hard to manage
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tantek pwcc - ah you mean @-mentions!
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tantek I thought here in the context of #indiewebcamp you meant webmentions :)
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tantek I believe ~2008-2009 IIRC.
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+304) "note that some features were added in 2006-11-14, not available at launch, like delete & favorite!" (view diff)
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tantek pwcc - here are some of my 2009-era frustrations with Twitter that I documented: https://indiewebcamp.com/2010-199-tantek-fsws-talk#user_interface_frustrations
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snarfed hey kylewm, do you often redo your twitter posses?
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snarfed i've seen posts like https://kylewm.com/2015/01/noob-python-question-is-there-any-reason-to-upload a few times with multiple twitter synd links, and only the last works
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tantek oh neat! kylewm did you implement POSSE CRUD?
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tantek e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#Update
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pwcc tantek, good read. A lot of it still stands, too.
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kylewm snarfed: yes I do often delete and repost, and sometimes too lazy to go back and remove the original syndication link
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kylewm did you notice that because of bridgy? or just observant?
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snarfed kylewm: eh just observed
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tantek kylewm how often do you do POSSE updates?
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tantek and what's the longest you allow between a POSSE tweet and update?
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tantek (delete and repost)
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kylewm tantek: i probably do that like 10% of the time, and rarely more than a minute between delete and update
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iamshane.com edited /tweet (+50) "/* 2007 */ a history of 'tweet'" (view diff)
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@t Continued iteration on #indieweb likes: further clustering adjacent likes of same source by not repeating their name. (ttk.me t4_F1) (twitter.com/_/status/557464347711406080)
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tantek.com edited /like (+30) "noted what level of adjacent like clustering is working in /Falcon so far" (view diff)
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cweiske tantek, do you have an example post for that?
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tantek cweiske - not *an example* post no, because it is only when likes are *adjacent* posts. you can see it on my home page now where it starts with "likes @Eliservescent’s tweet "
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tantek on tantek.com
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tantek note that there are 3 tweets of @Eliservescent in a row, yet it now only says "@Eliservescent’s" once
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cweiske yep
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cweiske ok
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tantek whereas it used to say "likes @Eliservescent’s tweet, @Eliservescent’s tweet, @Eliservescent’s tweet " etc.
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tantek small design improvements
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cweiske I'd like to be able to directly view the tweets you liked
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cweiske currently I have to click on all the links
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tantek as in the text of tweets? or more?
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cweiske text, yes
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tantek I'm thinking about extracting just the text and putting it into a tooltip as an incremental improvement
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tantek rather than full tweet display
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cweiske that'd help
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tantek similarly thumbnails for photos I've liked
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cweiske ascii art in tooltips?
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tantek but yes - some form of discoverable inline display that doens't require the reader to click on all the links
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tantek for photo thumbnails I'd have to do explicit :hover effects beyond just "title" attribute tooltips
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tantek but I'm also thinking about how to do something simple like that for touch and/or mobile interfaces.
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tantek where tooltips / hover don't work well
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KevinMarks_ Eliservescent is a good live tweter
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tantek indeed.
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tantek good night for now.
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Loqi goodnight!
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michielbdejong.com edited /site-deaths (+273) "/* Upcoming */ mention Trovebox being open source and available from IndieHosters" (view diff)
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tjkoury morning all
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KartikPrabhu morning!
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@inmediaref “We Like IndieWeb Software” by @kevinmarks https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/we-like-indieweb-software-d31870bfd852?source=tw-e3e2bc9db32b-1421764186514 (twitter.com/_/status/557545548816072704)
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Loqi [mention] Marcus Povey posted 'If 2014 can be remembered for anything, it’ll be, in tech circles at least, the year of the Internet Troll. Online abuse, particularly abuse...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/Vouch (https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2015/01/20/tackling-online-abuse/)
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GWG Morning
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petermolnar morning
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jonnybarnes so how does licensing work with webmentions? i.e. if I license my content CC0 and some one comments and the license on their site is CC-by-sa 4.0 or whatever, does it become CC0 when being served and displayed on my site?
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voxpelli jonnybarnes: You only quote the mentions, right?
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jonnybarnes yeah
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jonnybarnes i think so
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cweiske this depends on the author's country's quotation laws
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cweiske in germany, you may only quote a part of the original text to still count as quotation
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cweiske if you're copying more than that, you're violating his copyright
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cweiske so theoretically, you have to check the response's
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voxpelli +1, I wonder if one should perhaps also respect robots.txt and such and not quote any sites that the site has told you not to fetch
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cweiske license and decide if you display it, or only link to it
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jonnybarnes an example of a non-twitter-bridgy webmention: https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes/2q
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KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: why not check rel-license on the permalink page and decide from there on? I have been thinking about this for "likes" / "favs" of photos. I am sure this can be automated if the re-license is appropriately markdup but not sure how
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jonnybarnes KartikPrabhu: and indeed mr. waterpigs does have a rel-license on his page
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KartikPrabhu mr.waterpigs being barnabywalters here :)
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gRegor` rel-license would definitely be better than robots.txt
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KartikPrabhu yes. robots.txt is pretty much useless
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KartikPrabhu also "conventional file name" antipattern thingie ( i forget exact terminology for this)
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gRegor` Yep. And visible vs. invisible content
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cweiske well-known
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KartikPrabhu what is antipattern?
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Loqi For reference: WS-Deathstar [1][2][3][4][5], e.g.: https://indiewebcamp.com/antipattern
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cweiske so you say that the search engines should fetch all your html pages, only to see in the meta tags that they should not index them?
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jonnybarnes what?
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cweiske greate
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jonnybarnes WS-Deathstar?
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cweiske robots.txt is the better approach for that
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: errr no. I was talking about the use-case
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: while robots.txt is fine for search engines, it isn't suitable for determining copyright and whether you a human can embed it as a reply/response-context on your own site
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cweiske your comment sounded very generic
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cweiske but ok
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KartikPrabhu again I am no expert so...
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gRegor` What is WS-Deathstar?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WS-Deathstar" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=WS-Deathstar
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gRegor` Web Service specifications basically, like WSDL and SOAP
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cweiske err. WSDL is a machine-readable description of a SOAP webservice
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cweiske those two are not distinct
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cweiske REST would fall into your category, too
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gregorlove.com created /robots.txt (+152) "stub" (view diff)
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gRegor` Hah. Found a wiki bug.
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gRegor` wiki name collision: http://indiewebcamp.com/robots.txt
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cweiske no
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cweiske that's the rewrite rule that's active on the server
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cweiske normally, all urls are below wiki/ in mediawiki
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cweiske config issue that is
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gRegor` yeah
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gRegor` !tell aaronpk Not sure there's any way around it, but I created /robots.txt wiki page and the rewrite displays the actual IWC robots.txt
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegor` looks like it works with a capital R
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ben_thatmustbeme /Robots.txt gets wiki page
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gregorlove.com created /Robots.txt (+152) "stub, workaround for rewrite rule on robots.txt" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /robots.txt (-128) "r" (view diff)
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gRegor` what is robots.txt/
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gRegor` what is robots.txt?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/robots.txt
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gRegor` what is Robots.txt?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/robots.txt
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, weird
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gregorlove.com edited /Robots.txt (+0) (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Robots.txt (+0) (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+1) "/* Any Day Now */ HTML typo" (view diff)
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voxpelli I don't think lawyers and stuff really care about whether a pattern is a good one or an anti-pattern – they mostly care about established pattern and if eg. robots.txt tells that a URL shouldn't be scraped then that could likely carry some significance in court – I have a slight memory of hearing about court cases where that was true a few years back
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voxpelli and unless you're just looking for the intent of the author but rather looking at whether you have the right to embed something then such parameters probably matter
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gRegor` Hopefully people who don't want their content embedded don't send a webmention
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gRegor` Especially if they're using mf2 markup with an in-reply-to
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message on 1/19 at 10:35am: are you able to host PDX for https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-28-homebrew-website-club ?
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Loqi aaronpk: gRegor` left you a message 1 hour, 14 minutes ago: Not sure there's any way around it, but I created /robots.txt wiki page and the rewrite displays the actual IWC robots.txt
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aaronpk hmm yes that is tricky
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aaronpk gRegor`: oh hey http://indiewebcamp.com/Robots.txt
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aaronpk that works fine
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gRegor` Yeah, I set that up :)
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme suggested it.
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aaronpk ah cool
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gRegor` Loqi doesn't pull in the summary correctly, but no biggie
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gRegor` what is Robots.txt?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/robots.txt
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aaronpk i bet the search is not case sensitive
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voxpelli gRegor`: you don't know the sender of a WebMention though ;)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/Germany/Guest_List (+2) "webmention, not pingback" (view diff)
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@pearldragon5 RT @datacosmos: #dataecosystems #indiewebcamp Mycelial networks of autonomous nodes will replace the skyscraper models of today. (twitter.com/_/status/557619142124404737)
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/557619286114451456
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@kevinmarks No @google, JSON-LD isn't HTML - that it is in <script> tags should be a clue. https://developers.google.com/webmasters/structured-data/events/venues##Add+HTML+Event+Markup+Directly https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/557619286114451456/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/557619286114451456)
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tantek lol
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KevinMarks_ see also: https://twitter.com/Livelyivy/status/554151596285001728
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@Livelyivy Developing software has made it a lot more clear why our DNA is full of unused junk sequences (twitter.com/_/status/554151596285001728)
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tantek ^^^ intelligent design apologist
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tantek KevinMarks - remember Microsoft's XML Data Islands? JSON-LD in <script> in <head> is just Data Islands 2.0.
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tantek (or 3.0 - I lose track of how many times this was tried)
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KevinMarks_ hm, what bret said the other day made me nervous too
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tantek nah - don't worry about the folks that render JSON to HTML clientside - history (AKA archive.org) won't remember anything they had to say.
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bret KevinMarks_: different bret?
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tantek bret - yes - @haxor AKA onebigfluke
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bret ah
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KevinMarks_ brett - haxor: https://twitter.com/haxor/status/557073524561432576
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bret ah*
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@haxor @voxpelli @aaronpk It makes crawling non-trivial, yes. But tools like @PhantomJS are excellent and can get you very far. (twitter.com/_/status/557073524561432576)
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegor`, voxpelli i don't think you need anything to specifically say not to embed this text, if they wanted that they could make the whole site an image, or use JS. people could just copy paste normal text anyway
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tantek big difference between "can" and "do"
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tantek also, guess what? all that content only in RSS? (was there any) is also dead to history (archive.org)
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tantek goes back to working on his own code for a bit
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tantek As I like different kinds of things on the web, I find more cases to special case
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bret sites like http://substack.net use html+js streaming to improve rendering performance, but it behaves like a site other than that
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KevinMarks_ so google's latest thing is an obvious DRY violation; @haxor's client JSON -> HTML less so
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bret like an html server rendered site*
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tantek sure - they're different in that regard
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KevinMarks_ if you declare the data as they do (in an anonymous JS object) is it even accessible to js in the browser?
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KevinMarks_ <script type="application/ld+json"> { "@context": "http://schema.org",
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KevinMarks_ etc?
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voxpelli would love to find a JS-enabled indie-crawler that accidentaly occupies itself crawling an endless path down the tree of a js-based bitcoin miner
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tantek that's a very clever idea
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tantek what is the maximum amount of JS you can trick a crawler into processing before it gives up?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "maximum amount of JS you can trick a crawler into processing before it gives up" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=maximum+amount+of+JS+you+can+trick+a+crawler+into+processing+before+it+gives+up
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tantek presumably at the end of processing the JS, you get the crawler to attempt to retrieve/spider a "success_uniqueID.html" page for when it finds a bitcoin, or "fail_uniqueID.html" page when it doesn't.
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tantek then all your server does is kick back, present JSON math problems to solve, and let the crawlers pick success/fail for you instead of doing the math yourself
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tantek or heck - why aren't people already doing this and letting browser JS load success page as iframe vs. failure page as iframe to communicate the result back to the server?
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voxpelli yeah, I'm not sure how to really avoid that unless you ensure to never crawl a URL created by the JS
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tantek voxpelli: precisely >:)
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tantek yet another reason to browse with NoScript
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voxpelli There seems to even be WordPress plugins so that you can easily add the miners to your blog :P
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voxpelli Yeah I'm not going to make any of my crawlers parse any javascript I think
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tantek yup. if you can't curl it, ignore it.
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KevinMarks_ http://www.onebigfluke.com/2015/01/experimentally-verified-why-client-side.html made me think about this a bit differently
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tantek KevinMarks really? it ignores the history problem completely
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_: tantek: also see: https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/01/18/3/indieweb
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tantek anyway - back to actual indieweb discussions - does Bridgy Publish not support liking FB pages?
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tantek e.g. http://tantek.com/2015/020/f1
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tantek a-ha no: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/41
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KevinMarks_ I meant in terms of DRY violation.
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KevinMarks_ concretely, do our parsers ignore html inside <template> ?
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tantek likely depends on if they're following HTML5 parser algorithm or some approximation thereof.
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tantek not worried about it until someone shows up with a real world example
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tantek or you're welcome to bring it up at the #microformats dev meetup tonight :)
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tantek BTW all the "fake all the nav and links and stuff in JS" stuff is *constantly* unreliable for me in FB
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tantek 90% of the clicks to nav to something via the globe / activity menu "do nothing"
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tantek (except change the URL in the URL bar)
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tantek and thus I ascribe that failure to the flakey FB SSL problems
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tantek yeah, JS-only app = fragile app
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tantek which is another thing Brett Slatkin's test doesn't consider at all
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tantek "assume error-free JS and HTTPs responses" is basically the web equivalent of the physicist's assume a spherical cow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow
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bret wow trovebox is shutting down?
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kylewm.com created /PDX (+152) "Created page with "{{stub}} <dfn>PDX</dfn> is the airport code for Portland International Airport, and a metonymy for the city of [[Portland|Portland, Oregon]] as a whole."" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /PDX (+58) "specific relation to IndieWebCamp" (view diff)
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snarfed voxpelli: infinite loops etc aren't unique to code
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snarfed pure html crawlers need to handle them too
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snarfed e.g. http://antispam.byteplant.com/products/cleanmail/spambot-trap.html
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tantek snarfed - infinite loops are far to clumsy an exploit
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snarfed tantek: sorry, i don't follow
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tantek we're talking about using crawler's JS support as free compute time :)
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snarfed voxpelli seemed to be talking about how to avoid them if you want to run JS in your crawler
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snarfed that's what i responded to :P
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tantek now that compute time is monetizable per bitcoin mining, I can't wait for sites to use JS embeds to do so with everyone's browsers "for free", thus forcing people down the path of NoScript like solutions, thus forcing webdev back to progressive enhancement for anything to work at all
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kylewm.com created /Portland (+209) "Created page with "{{stub}} <dfn>Portland</dfn> (sometimes [[PDX]]) is a city in the US state of Oregon and the site of the [[2011|inaugural IndieWebCamp]]. There is a Portland [[Homebrew Website C..."" (view diff)
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tantek what is IWC Cambridge?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IWC Cambridge" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IWC+Cambridge
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tantek.com created /IWC_Cambridge (+28) "r" (view diff)
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tantek !karma elf-pavlik
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Loqi elf-pavlik has 3 karma
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tantek elf-pavlik++ :)
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Loqi elf-pavlik has 4 karma
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tantek kylewm: looks like the new larger embedded image in your event worked to get FB to use it instead of someone's avatar! https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik/posts/10101469715280593
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kylewm tantek: oh, that's great!
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gRegor` Re: /block and notifying the user they're blocked, I think it's not a bad idea. Presuming it's an authenticated service like Twitter, they're going to figure it out whether you tell them explicitly, or they just suddenly cannot see your tweets.
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gRegor` A /mute shouldn't notify the user of course
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gRegor` block on twitter also forces them to unfollow you, so that's a part that doesn't carry over to indieweb, really
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aaronpk if i'm going to block someone, I would want to basically silently disappear
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aaronpk the "you are blocked" message that you see when viewing someone's twitter profile who has blocked you seems oddly aggressive
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gRegor` The forced unfollow would be an indicator, though most wouldn't realize it for a while I'm sure.
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voxpelli agree, perhaps it works better for people with private accounts? (because those still exists at Twitter, right? Or am I imagining things?)
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gRegor` Plus people have reported Twitter randomly unfollowing people
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@ShewithLynch RT @salisburymw: I hope my #BRCA testing saga helps to shed light on the problems facing genetic testing. #ownyourdata @techonomy http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/557651090444144641)
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gRegor` Yeah, Twitter has private accounts
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aaronpk yes for private accounts it makes sense
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voxpelli blocking makes little sense with public accounts, muting would be the more sensible option
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gRegor` I think if a private account blocks you, since it forces the unfollow, you'd only see "this account is private" instead of "you have been blocked"
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aaronpk right
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aaronpk that seems reasonable
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gRegor` Blocking makes plenty of sense if you're getting abuse from someone you never intend to unmute.
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tantek looks forward to this brainstorming making it to /block#Brainstorming
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sparverius ive always thought that hellbanning was a shitty thing to doa
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sparverius although effective in demoralizing trolls :/
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aaronpk what is hellbanning?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hellbanning" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=hellbanning
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@sil @voxpelli hey, is your heroku webmentions thing down? POSTs to the API are getting 503 unavailable. (twitter.com/_/status/557658996518428672)
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voxpelli !tell tantek Launched the base fix on my WebMention endpoint now – and also launched the possibility to update mentions – so go ahead and re-ping KevinMarks and it should hopefully all work! (In realtime!)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieWebCamps (+193) "add FAQ section" (view diff)
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@xtof_fr Gaïté demain : "Le design calme : Zen face á la déferlante numérique" > https://gaite-lyrique.net/rendez-vous/le-design-calme #indieweb cc .. http://xtof.withknown.com/2015/gat-demain-le-design-calme-zen-face-la-dferlante-numrique (twitter.com/_/status/557661275371872256)
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@voxpelli Launched a new exciting version of my WebMention endpoint – mentions are now updated and removed on subsequent pings https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/557662244159623168)
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GWG Day
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gRegor` Night
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GWG gRegor`: Any news?
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gRegor` Personally? Not really. Haven't worked on my site much lately.
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gRegor` Did make two blog posts this month, so that's progress.
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GWG I need some advice on my project.
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GWG Other than stops
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GWG Taking on so many projects at once
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gRegor` stops?
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Tantek__ Aaronpk that IS the generic why question we always get
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GWG Stop. Typo
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Tantek__ Nothing new there
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Loqi Tantek__: voxpelli left you a message 27 minutes ago: Launched the base fix on my WebMention endpoint now – and also launched the possibility to update mentions – so go ahead and re-ping KevinMarks and it should hopefully all work! (In realtime!)
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aaronpk i coudln't figure out how to turn the other one into a question
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aaronpk it's also not documented there anyway, so figured that'd be good
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Tantek__ It's a high barrier because we have high respect for creators's time.
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gRegor` GWG: Saying 'no' to things can be an important step.
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GWG Hi, I'm GWG and I am sn Indiewebaholic
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GWG It started out as just a hobby, but before long, I was hanging out in strange chat rooms, writing PHP code and arguing about semantics.
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GWG http://updates.pushover.net/post/108648717687
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@loicmathaud RT @xtof_fr: Gaïté demain : "Le design calme : Zen face á la déferlante numérique" > https://gaite-lyrique.net/rendez-vous/le-design-calme #indieweb cc .. http://t.co/qE… (twitter.com/_/status/557670750690500608)
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GWG What does everyone think of this subscription thing from Pushover? I think they copied a similar feature on Pushbullet
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kylewm seems like a useful feature for big sites. would be unnecessary overhead for one of us thorough
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kylewm though*
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GWG Interesting though
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Loqi [mention] Phyks posted 'Why I am quitting Diaspora? 10 min read I tried Diaspora for the last six months or so. I wa...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://known.phyks.me/2015/why-i-am-quitting-diaspora)
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Loqi [mention] Phyks posted 'Why I am quitting Diaspora? 10 min read I tried Diaspora for the last six months or so. I wa...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://known.phyks.me/2015/why-i-am-quitting-diaspora)
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tantek aaronpk so there's this: https://indiewebcamp.com/FAQ#Who_is_the_audience_for_IndieWebCamp_events
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tantek though now I want to write a more point by point take down of the question / complaint