#indiewebcamp 2015-01-27
2015-01-27 UTC
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KartikPrabhu loqi playback?
# KartikPrabhu gRegor`: yup
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GWG tantek: The plugin you were referring to is https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-spamshield/
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KevinMarks_ hm, this newbase60 in python is missing a decode method: http://faruk.akgul.org/blog/tantek-celiks-newbase60-in-python-and-java/
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tantek !tell kylewm, snarfed got a strange error from Bridgy Publish for an RSVP to a FB event: "
{ "error": "Error: {u'url': u'https://graph.facebook.com/v2.2/387249418101711/attending', u'id': u'784494321642849'}" }"# 
Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 40 seconds ago: got a strange error from Bridgy Publish for an RSVP to a FB event: "
{ "error": "Error: {u'url': u'https://graph.facebook.com/v2.2/387249418101711/attending', u'id': u'784494321642849'}" }"# 
snarfed (looking at the log linked from https://www.brid.gy/facebook/214611#publishes)
# KevinMarks_ that's in Java, no Python one
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# KevinMarks_ I think I'll put it on github and ask forgiveness :D
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# Loqi [bridgy] Justin David Kruger RSVPed yes to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-28-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/387249418101711#10154011264405352)
# Loqi [bridgy] Faruk AteÅŸ RSVPed yes to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-28-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/387249418101711#10155124201665055)
# Loqi [bridgy] Lauren Buchman RSVPed yes to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-28-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/387249418101711#10152952206735090)
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# GWG snarfed: All bridgy links come from https://brid-gy.appspot.com/?
# snarfed GWG: yup https://www.brid.gy/about#ssl
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# Loqi [mention] http://thecommandline.net/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@HongPong it is time to channel the mysterious powers of Atari Teenage Riot to promote #indieweb design principles and kill facebook! @ALEC_EMPIRE (twitter.com/_/status/559970070307569664)
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@ALEC_EMPIRE RT @HongPong: it is time to channel the mysterious powers of Atari Teenage Riot to promote #indieweb design principles and kill facebook! @… (twitter.com/_/status/559972694624858112)
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@bigbuksworld RT @HongPong: it is time to channel the mysterious powers of Atari Teenage Riot to promote #indieweb design principles and kill facebook! @… (twitter.com/_/status/559975411149320194)
# KevinMarks Site near death experiences? http://mashable.com/2015/01/27/facebook-tinder-instagram-issues/
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@xtof_fr Coup de la panne ce matin sur #Tinder et d'autres #silos ? http://www.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/hightech/0204111467465-facebook-et-instagram-victimes-dune-panne-1087281.php #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/559986149444186112)
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@elfpavlik experimental #WebID support for #IndieAuth by @fkooman https://github.com/fkooman/php-relmeauth-service/blob/master/docs/ClientCertificateAuthentication.md @bblfish @aaronpk #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/560027753173774336)
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@fkooman RT @elfpavlik: experimental #WebID support for #IndieAuth by @fkooman https://github.com/fkooman/php-relmeauth-service/blob/master/docs/ClientCertificateAuthentication.md @bblfish @aaronpk #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/560028924261199872)
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# KevinMarks_ !tell tantek there we go, NewBase60 in Python https://github.com/kevinmarks/newBase60py
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# wwelves.org perpetual-tripper edited /collection (+66) "/* See Also */ xfn-hcard-supporting-friends-lists" (view diff)
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# interactivist pfefferle: hello, thanks for merging the PR for wp-indieweb access caps
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# interactivist pfefferle: yes, this is me under my IRC handle
# interactivist pfefferle: I'd be happy to contribute further… just wondered what your priorities are
# interactivist blushes
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# interactivist pfefferle: oh, okay… then would you be happy with some TLC applied?
# interactivist pfefferle: I meant, which of the WP plugins is most in need of attention
# interactivist pfefferle: there are a few little tweaks that could be done to wordpress-indieweb
# interactivist pfefferle: translation methods, a small readme.txt fix that would credit dshanske in the WP directory, etc etc
# interactivist pfefferle: you need a comma spearator between wp usernames in readme.txt :)
# interactivist pfefferle: am happy to submit a few useful PRs, just wanted to touch base forst
# interactivist GWG: all the text content still needs wrapping in i18n functions (hello btw_
# interactivist pfefferle: no text-domain is specified or registered as yet, and though you are using 'indieweb' throughout, it won't have any effect
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# interactivist GWG: pfefferle: I'll send a couple of PRs through then
# interactivist GWG: the best place to start http://ottopress.com/2012/internationalization-youre-probably-doing-it-wrong/
# interactivist GWG: it's less preachy than the title sounds!
# interactivist I'm on IndieWeb via http://haystack.co.uk/
# interactivist though the site's *cough* a bit out of date
# interactivist GWG: if you want to browse my code, it's all at https://github.com/christianwach?tab=repositories
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# interactivist I'd recommend putting almost all of Getting Started in the description of readme.txt - people rarely read further on the WP directory
# interactivist GWG: I'd prefer to see the Getting Started page as a sub-page of the plugin's main installer page.
# interactivist GWG: hmm, okay, that's useful info
# interactivist GWG: I'm not recommending moving it - just that the Getting Started page can hang off that
# interactivist GWG: everything in one place :)
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# interactivist GWG: just getting started on the bridgy thing… want to integrate this with BuddyPress ultimately
# interactivist GWG: IMO it's not just individuals that need this, but communities too - keeps the conversation local & global at the same time
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# interactivist GWG: I work with http://commonsinabox.org/ which curates BP-related plugins, much the way that wp-indieweb curates the ones you've selected
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# interactivist GWG: amongst other things
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# interactivist is "IndieWeb" camelcase usually?
# interactivist k, ta
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# interactivist pfefferle: Apart from prettifying the code a little, that completes my list of housekeeping jobs.
# interactivist pfefferle: I reckon well indented, well documented code could encourage others to contribute :)
# interactivist GWG: the post types plugin?
# interactivist pfefferle: yeah, tabs
# interactivist pfefferle: there'll be less moaning from WP devs with tabs :)
# interactivist pfefferle: GWG do you have makepot? it'll need running each time you publish to the WP repo at minimum
# interactivist pfefferle: it's only indieweb.php and getting_started.php though?
# interactivist ok
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "makepot" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=makepot
# gRegor` Morning, indieweb
# interactivist It's at http://i18n.svn.wordpress.org/tools/trunk/
# interactivist GWG: http://codex.wordpress.org/I18n_for_WordPress_Developers
# interactivist pfefferle: makepot's sweet in that you just issue it in your git repo root and it auto-creates the new pot file for you
# interactivist pfefferle: do you really need "Pre-2.6 compatibility"?
# interactivist pfefferle: I'll leave it for now...
# interactivist pfefferle: oh, okay, that's cool
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pfefferle interactivist http://poedit.net/wordpress
# interactivist pfefferle: vry nice
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# millette in fact, there are a few for wordpress http://yeoman.io/generators/
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# tantek KevinMarks++ for https://github.com/kevinmarks/newBase60py !
# Loqi tantek: KevinMarks_ left you a message 4 hours, 30 minutes ago: there we go, NewBase60 in Python https://github.com/kevinmarks/newBase60py
# gRegor` what is SASS?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SASS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SASS
# gRegor` What is grunt?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "grunt" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=grunt
# gRegor` what is gulp?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gulp" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=gulp
# gRegor` What is LESS?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LESS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=LESS
# gRegor` I don't.
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# gRegor` tantek: I was beginning work on a style guide for my site, in part to clean up my CSS. I was weighing the option of using some lightweight reset. I have heard of plenty, but not done much research on them so wanted opinions/experience.
# gRegor` Do you use one, tantek?
# gRegor` I got a couple +1s for normalize.css. We've used Bootstrap a fair bit at work and I understand it uses normalize.css in part (and much more, of course).
# gRegor` If I experiment with normalize.css or something else, I will document it.
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JonathanNeal gRegor`: woot
# gRegor` I'm leaning towards something minimal that I write myself, though.
# JonathanNeal Using asterick?
# gRegor` Me? Not sure what that is.
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@DickyR_Sawati RT @HongPong: it is time to channel the mysterious powers of Atari Teenage Riot to promote #indieweb design principles and kill facebook! @… (twitter.com/_/status/560107671874203649)
# gRegor` Heh, I just read you co-created normalize, JonathanNeal :)
# gRegor` I was sure you had some (hi)story on it, tantek :)
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# tantek gRegor`: this is where they started: http://tantek.com/log/2004/09.html#d06t2354
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# JonathanNeal IMHO, some of the box-sizing: border-box css bases are really nice to work with.
# JonathanNeal Maybe someone should make a new one called reasonable.css
# JonathanNeal For IE8+, and it sets a bunch of useful baseline defaults without getting too up in layouts business.
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# JonathanNeal tantek: normalize.css set styles to whatever the most-compatible most-prevelent default was.
# JonathanNeal reasonable.css would set styles to whatever the most-compatible developer-preffered default is.
# JonathanNeal tantek, they were pretty ugly, but frankly you want a list to look like a list most of the time.
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# JonathanNeal most developers default to sans-serif for unstyled type.
# JonathanNeal tantek: well, i can’t speak for modern normalize.css, it was stirring toward “whatever the spec says, otherwise what is common”
# JonathanNeal tantek: agreed that fashions change
# gRegor` Started /CSS#CSS_Resets and included tantek's link. Feel free to expand
# JonathanNeal Back in the day, I was aiming for consistency. I can’t speak to normalize.css today. I haven’t contributed in years.
# JonathanNeal Yea. That’s why I’m putting the blame on myself and making sure it doesn’t reflect normalize.css. No idea what its current goals are.
# JonathanNeal But consistency and minimalism were its original goals.
# JonathanNeal consistency with the spec and with other browsers, minimal in markup as to easily allow change.
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# JonathanNeal tantek: “it leads to design by rear view mirror of the lowest common denominator” - I remember hearing things like that when it first came out, too. Necolas was already writing the same thing himself, and he understood something about it that kinda made it into an empire. So, tantek, are you suggesting that normalize.css is bad for developers, or as a
# JonathanNeal project goal, or what?
# JonathanNeal it’s not really about design, but about creating a baseline to build upon.
# JonathanNeal idk, isn’t there some proof in the pudding when you consider bootstrap and foundation and all of the developers who have found value in the project?
# JonathanNeal Was it all just marketing? Why did developers adopt it to begin with? Why do they continue to adopt it?
# gRegor` What is technical debt?
# JonathanNeal yea, i don’t care for the trendy
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "technical debt" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=technical+debt
# gRegor` Or is it technology debt?
# JonathanNeal but the baseline was useful for developers, i stand by that.
# JonathanNeal knowing that you don’t need to mess with user agent differences is a real gain.
# JonathanNeal don’t throw baby out with the bathwater, normalize has technical benefits, which include reduced time to ship and reduced maintainence.
# JonathanNeal normalizing them seems like the right name for what the project did
# JonathanNeal undoing is inspecific, as anything touching a default style could be undoing.
# JonathanNeal undoing also sounds like taking something away entirely rather than changing it or setting it somewhere specific. reset seems more undo than normalize.
# JonathanNeal And remembeer that normalize came out during a time of Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and IE6-9, so why should ua stylesheets be a barrier of entry? Especially for indiewebbers, who don’t need to become css experts.
# JonathanNeal They can, but by nature of indieweb, you don’t need to. That’s why I love all the specs and frameworks folks are making here, because that would be a huge barrier of entry for me.
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# JonathanNeal tantek: In CSS, margins and padding are a barrier of entry. I am still searching for the words: but “width” seems like a explicit request, so when padding changes width, it requires extra calculation, and that’s a barrier.
# JonathanNeal So, my cheering on something like reasonable.css would be that, to make a baseline that lessened the common stresses in developing with css.
# JonathanNeal vertical margin collapsing, horizontal not margin collapsing - it makes me use margin sparingly.
# gRegor` You killed it, snarfed ;)
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# KevinMarks Andi's event where the Foundation and Bootstrap authors talked about their goals was interesting
# KevinMarks They were about imposing a style guide
# KevinMarks And grids
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# KevinMarks_ twitter launches group messaging. puzzled faces from oldschool twitter users who remember when that was he whole point
# KevinMarks_ s/he/the/
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@kevinmarks Facebook reports that the hack that brought them down came from Hacker Way. A source said "Someone was moving fast and broke things." (twitter.com/_/status/560000531062460416)
# KevinMarks They were down globally for an hour or so last night
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# Loqi [bridgy] Daniel Kim RSVPed yes to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-28-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/387249418101711#792713619716)
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# snarfed hey GWG, are the visible warnings on http://megaphone.geeb.us/ something you could help with?
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@jgarber @aaronpk Have you ever heard of authenticating to https://indieauth.com/ timing out on an iOS device? Works great on my MacBook Air. (twitter.com/_/status/560187516205428736)
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# @jgarber @aaronpk Ah, never mind. The iOS part was a red herring. Accessing my local app via IP and POSTing to https://indieauth.com/ is timing out. (twitter.com/_/status/560189195009163265)
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# @jgarber @aaronpk https://indieauth.com/ returns a 504 Gateway Time-out when POSTing from my app’s IP address, but works from localhost:3000. Weird. (twitter.com/_/status/560189484055400449)
# gRegor` snarfed: I started experimenting with posting my reading progress: http://gregorlove.com/notes/2015/01/27/1/
# gRegor` Yep
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# gRegor` I'm still thinking about the 'start' and 'finish' status
# gRegor` Without having too much invisible data, that is
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "book" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=book
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "books" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=books
# gRegor` I put it on /media_checkin
# Loqi To read or reading is the act of viewing and interpreting posts https://indiewebcamp.com/reading
# gRegor` It is pretty... something. Geeky
# gRegor` Hah, true
# gRegor` readling
# gRegor` GetGlue became TvTag became dead recently.
# gRegor` I'm sure there's other checkin sites, but GetGlue was the big one
# gRegor` What is logging?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "logging" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=logging
# gRegor` Book logging: blogging. I'm so smrt!
# gRegor` snarfed: Like lists you've read, to-read, etc?
# Loqi [mention] Aaron Parecki commented '@jgarber hop in to IRC and we might be able to troubleshoot better. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today?beta' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today?beta (https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/01/27/5/)
# snarfed gRegor`: yup. https://snarfed.org/books , https://snarfed.org/beer , etc
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# gRegor` Nice. Yeah, I want that too. I figured this would be a simpler start
# gRegor` What are lists?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lists" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=lists
# gRegor` Hm, snarfed?
# gRegor` I have it. You mean on my notes pages, like include the note content?
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jgarber aaronpk: It appears so, yeah. Filling in my log in form with my URL and submitting to https://indieauth.com/auth spins and spins until I get an nginx time out from indieauth.com
# gRegor` Aha
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# gRegor` Right, I remember seeing that, now that you mention it.
# gRegor` I'll add it to my list.
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aaronpk issue filed! thanks https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/79
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ben_thatmust busy day, i have a lot of logs to go through
# ben_thatmust many times, i don't
# ben_thatmust when work gets busy
# ben_thatmust the weekly email helps quite a bit
# @jgarber High fives to the #indiewebcamp community and @aaronpk in particular for helping me through some IndieAuth issues! 🙌 (twitter.com/_/status/560194765632077824)
# Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWebCamp community https://indiewebcamp.com/this-week
# ben_thatmust haha aaronpk++
# ben_thatmust aaronpk++
# ben_thatmust there we go
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2015/Cambridge (+2338) "sandro confirmed venue, this is happening" (view diff)
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# ben.thatmustbe.me created /2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (+5537) "copy from 2014 guest list" (view diff)
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Jeopardy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Jeopardy
# Loqi Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indiewebcamp.com/tanteking
# ben.thatmustbe.me created /2015/Cambridge/Planning (+618) "start to move planning to this page" (view diff)
# Loqi Ben Roberts Is a sysadmin and developer at a small company in Boston, MA who dreams of world domination https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Ben.thatmustbe.me
# Loqi Aaron Parecki is the co-founder of IndieWebCamp, currently the CTO of Esri R&D Center, Portland https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Aaronparecki.com
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# Loqi David Shanske is an Indieweb enthusiast from New York, working on Indieweb WordPress plugin development https://indiewebcamp.com/User:David.shanske.com
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@bendreyfuss @caseyjohnston javascript:var c = document.querySelector("link[rel=canonical]"); if(c)
{ history.replaceState({},document.title, c.href); } (twitter.com/_/status/560201374814990337)# ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2015/Cambridge (-467) "moved Interested section to official guest list" (view diff)
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# KevinMarks Makes sense in that if they're using utm cruft they need rel canonical to get the right url indexed by Google
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# tfontaine Is everyone all patched up? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2015-0235
# gRegor` I don't really know Oauth, but are you talking about redirecting a POST to a GET? Isn't that HTTP 303?
# gRegor` Oh
# gRegor` tfontaine: I think bear mentioned that in #indiechat, but not in here yet. Fun times.
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# KevinMarks_ re scrobbled etc - we used 'play' in activity streams because it covered audio, video and games
# KevinMarks_ though not really books
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# GWG tantek: When you mentioned it yesterday, were you referring to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Asynchronous_status_notification
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# aaronpk oh but then the conclusion was 200 for moderated comments http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-01/line/1396392503000
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# KevinMarks_ there is antispam lore that says not to return different results for "posted" and "queued" as spammers use it as an oracle to test the boundaries of your filter
# KevinMarks_ but as we aren't assuming content based filtering that may not be an issue
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@taylorswift13 Cause the hackers gonna hack, hack, hack, hack, hack... (twitter.com/_/status/560151939296817152)
# KevinMarks_ 202 seems legit for any kind of queuing
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