#indiewebcamp 2015-01-28

2015-01-28 UTC
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@asamuzakjp RDFa + rel="me" (IndieAuth) from ☮ elf Pavlik ☮ on 2014-10-01 (public-rdfa@w3.org from October 2014) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa/2014Oct/0000.html (twitter.com/_/status/560244789321269248)
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bret just noticed this https://www.dropbox.com/s/0wz738h0xde443d/Screenshot%202015-01-27%2019.09.30.png?dl=0
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bret "Default for calls:"
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bret.io edited /database-antipattern (+97) "/* Articles */ Added article: My Favorite Database is the Network" (view diff)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/387249418101711#523759551124 was invited to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-28-homebrew-website-club
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kylewm snarfed: on one hand, I like requiring the backlink in all cases, just for simplicity and consistency. on the other, honestly I think it would make me less likely to use Bridgy Publish long term because I don't want invisible links littering my posts. The ideal solution for me would let me run the oauth authorization, and then give me a bridgy access token that I can copy/paste and use to make publish requests in the future
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 1 day, 3 hours ago: got a strange error from Bridgy Publish for an RSVP to a FB event: "{ "error": "Error: {u'url': u'https://graph.facebook.com/v2.2/387249418101711/attending', u'id': u'784494321642849'}" }"
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KevinMarks_ my experiment of the week: http://svgur.com/s/E
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KevinMarks_ wow, twitter sign-up form is making it impossible to type an email in
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tantek screenshot?
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KevinMarks_ hm, not sure how to take a gif screenshot
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KevinMarks_ it's hypersebsitive js input validation
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KevinMarks_ that manages to change the slection while you are typing so you erase what you typed
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pfefferle good morning indieweb
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KevinMarks_ morning
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@svgur_com yes, indiewebcamp is SVG too http://svgur.com/s/1J (twitter.com/_/status/560386766880784384)
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KevinMarks_ who is http://indieweb.co ? anyone we know?
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GWG Good morning, all
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GWG pfefferle: I have a few questions for you if you have a few minutes.
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pfefferle GWG sure
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ben_thatmust god morning
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ben_thatmust s/god/good
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Loqi ben_thatmust meant to say: good morning
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GWG pfefferle: That idea I was floating yesterday about auto-approving webmentions using the fields in Semantic Linkbacks. Would it make sense to merge that into Linkbacks, or do it separately? I'm trying to consider that before I add yet another plugin to my stable.
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GWG So it's, new plugin vs pull request
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pfefferle I don’t think it is a good idea to auto-approve comments
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GWG ben_thatmust: Blessed be your morning as well.
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pfefferle in general
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GWG pfefferle: Based on any criteria?
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@Wedge #IndieWeb ][ Own your own content ][ #POSSE Post Own Site, Syndicate Everywhere ][ or Share Everywhere (twitter.com/_/status/560454032125206528)
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GWG pfefferle: I don't think it is a good idea to auto-approve all comments. I wanted to whitelist domains as an option
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pfefferle GWG but then we should implement a whitelist directly into the plugin
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pfefferle and then we don’t need a filter
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GWG pfefferle: That is what I was asking
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GWG pfefferle: I'll implement the whitelist. I just wanted to know if you thought it belonged in the plugin before I did, or if you thought I should do it separately.
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GWG pfefferle: Will send a Pull Request when ready
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@rockECHSprin Conferencing w/S about the work! #griffinpride #ownyourdata @lajRCSCAO @EThompson_22 https://twitter.com/rockECHSprin/status/560470612674887681/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/560470612674887681)
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sandro looking at doing SWAT0 with LDP. A few questions come up, looking at SWAT0 from 2015.... In particular, is it assumed that Dave and Tantek and Evan are friends/follow-each-other...? I mean otherwise, steps 2 and 6 could be spam.
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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gRegor` What is SWAT0?
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Loqi SWAT0 is an abbreviation for The Social Web Acid Test level 0 and is an user-feature interoperability test for social web functionality defined in 2010 https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0
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GWG What is gRegor`?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gRegor`" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=gRegor%60
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GWG gRegor`: Loqi doesn't know you.
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Loqi grins profusely
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GWG What is gRegor?
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GWG WOnder if it does without the '
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gRegor" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=gRegor
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gRegor` Who is gRegor`
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pfefferle GWG sorry is was at a meeting
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Loqi gRegor Morrill is a software engineer living in Chicago, Illinois https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com
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gRegor` Whoa. 2014-10-22 listed on the homepage?
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme: I think you used an old version of /Main_Page in your updates yesterday
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gRegor` http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=17046&oldid=16699
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GWG pfefferle: I understand. Been there. So...pull request is fine?
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GWG gRegor`: I thought you were moving to Bellingham?
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tantek gRegor`: can you revert it?
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gregorlove.com edited /Main_Page () "(-993) Undo revision 17046 by [[Special:Contributions/Ben.thatmustbe.me|Ben.thatmustbe.me]] ([[User talk:Ben.thatmustbe.me|talk]])" (view diff)
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gRegor` Done.
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gRegor` !tell ben_thatmustbeme I tried to skim through your updates yesterday to keep the IWC 2015 parts, but had a hard time following the diff. I chose to revert instead. Can you take a look and put back the changes you intended? Be sure the next HWC section is correct.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor` !tell ben_thatmustbeme I'm referring to /Main_Page
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor` GWG: I am, in April.
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gRegor` tantek: Done.
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pfefferle GWG sure!
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@dkreuz #IndieWeb is a great idea. I’ll follow it in the future. But why do they treat GitHub not as a silo too? (twitter.com/_/status/560493888948174850)
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@lajRCSCAO “@rockECHSprin: Conferencing w/S about the work! #griffinpride #ownyourdata @lajRCSCAO @EThompson_22 http://t.co/7sYGLq9i8M” LOVE!! (twitter.com/_/status/560495160573038594)
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@dkreuz #IndieWeb is a great idea. I’ll follow it in the future. But why don't they treat GitHub as a silo too? (twitter.com/_/status/560496393660678144)
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GWG What is Github?
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Loqi GitHub is a specialized content hosting silo for code, issues, comments, and static content that has some aspects of a commons, and through free domain mapping, a content hosting service as well https://indiewebcamp.com/Github
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GWG See...we call it a silo.
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@kevinmarks @dkreuz github is a silo, but it does enable hosting at your own url, and you have a copy of your code https://indiewebcamp.com/Github (twitter.com/_/status/560496804249100288)
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GWG There's always Gitlab
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KevinMarks_ publishing to github is almost always POSSE
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KevinMarks_ kind of - at least you start with the master copy locally
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aaronpk github also isn't really attempting to be an online identity provider
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KevinMarks_ well, it is a de facto one
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gRegor` I think cweiske hosts his own git repos and syndicates them to Github.
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gRegor` What is Gitlab?
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aaronpk i wonder what dkreuz was referring to
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Loqi GitLab offers git repository management, code reviews, issue tracking, activity feeds and wikis https://indiewebcamp.com/GitLab
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gRegor` What is Git?
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Loqi Git is a popular distributed source control management system that can be used to host and share code from independent sites https://indiewebcamp.com/git
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aaronpk liek.. who is "they" that he was talking about, and what does he mean "they" don't treat it as a silo
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gRegor` I suspect it's a superficial observation that "Oh indieweb sounds cool... but all these links to code not hosted on their own site?"
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KevinMarks_ this week in my indieweb experiments: http://svgur.com/s/1J
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KevinMarks_ (css is in the to-do)
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Loqi [bridgy] Detlef Kreuz replied '@kevinmarks Thank you for the link! I must have overseen this page.' to a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/Github (https://twitter.com/dkreuz/status/560497132638330880)
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Loqi [bridgy] Detlef Kreuz retweeted a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/Github (https://twitter.com/dkreuz/status/560497021132767232)
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KevinMarks_ odd, twitter didn't send me a notification for that reply from dkreuz - loqi beats twitter again
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KevinMarks_ hm, converting svg into png is interesting - easy clientside, hard serverside
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: imagemagick can do that easily server side
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ben_thatmust yeah, i actually have the command to do that handy
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ben_thatmust do convert +antialias -background none -density 200 <svg file> <png file>
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KevinMarks_ though as my server is appengine that is a bit more bothersoms
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ben_thatmust have to play with the density, to scale up or down but there ya go
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KevinMarks_ I may need to have a separate instance on heroku to do it
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ben_thatmust remove the 'do'
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aaronpk looks like appengine doesn'thave imagemagick but does have GD
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KevinMarks_ they have an image service which doesn't do svg: https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/python/images/
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aaronpk bah ever since implementing likes on my site, I've been avoiding reading anything on mobile apps cause I don't have a good way to like them from there
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aaronpk Making a reader a much higher priority
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snarfed i know the feeling
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gregorlove.com edited /Ello (+94) "/* Criticism */ === Applied for patents ===" (view diff)
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@sirmlivesey The most depressing webpage on the internet. http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/560522855080013824)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015 (+34) "/* Candidate Dates */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015 (+16) "/* Candidate Cities */" (view diff)
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Guest2614 kylewm: The webvatar in your template is broken. Not sure if the domain changed or just temporarily down.
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kylewm.com edited /Template:kylewm (+8) "change back to static profile image URL. webvatar seems to be down." (view diff)
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kylewm gregornobacktick++ thanks for the heads up
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Loqi gregornobacktick has 34 karma
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gRegor` webvatar.com works
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kylewm can't tell if sarcastic https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/560513238467502080
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@benwerd I will say this: Facebook's review process for apps has been helpful, transparent and well-documented, just like their API. Nicely done. (twitter.com/_/status/560513238467502080)
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aaronpk lol
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snarfed he's probably being honest. they just also reject people a lot. :(
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kylewm bridgy got rejected for manage_pages with "Due to one or more of the following reasons, your app cannot be listed in the App Center at this time: low functionality, poor user experience, features promoting spammy behavior, and/or low quality."
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aaronpk so specific
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snarfed actually, that was for showing on "canvas," ie within facebook as an iframe (or whatever), not for manage_pages specifically
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snarfed it sounded like they just skipped looking at manage_pages after canvas failed
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snarfed i need canvas for some minor specific thing, but forgot what. maybe for the notification when your access token expires
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@kevinmarks RT @sirmlivesey: The most depressing webpage on the internet. http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/560526307205730305)
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kylewm it got my hackles up when *Facebook* said we had bad UX
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snarfed heh
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@jerrymichalski RT @sirmlivesey: The most depressing webpage on the internet. http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/560526501712363520)
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kylewm unrelated: you cannot $.post directly to a remote micropub endpoint right?
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aaronpk from JS?
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aaronpk I think it depends on the CORS headers that the endpoint sets
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gRegor` Whatt is CORS?
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gRegor` What is CORS?
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Loqi CORS is an acronym for "cross-origin resource sharing," a mechanism for allowing browsers to make JavaScript requests to fetch resources from other domains https://indiewebcamp.com/CORS
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aaronpk I know it's possible to support post requests from JS
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@fdevillamil RT @sirmlivesey: The most depressing webpage on the internet. http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/560527741809086465)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: what is the use-case for using JS to post rather than a form?
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@Wncer0 RT @sirmlivesey: The most depressing webpage on the internet. http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/560527871467220992)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: one-click like from an indiereader, without redirecting to the "like" permalink page
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aaronpk kylewm: oh I did that on mine
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aaronpk i have a browser bookmarklet that injects a script tag to whatever page you're on, then makes a post request to quill
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@oissaly RT @sirmlivesey: The most depressing webpage on the internet. http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/560528668594671617)
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KartikPrabhu hmm coiuld that not be done by a form element too?
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KartikPrabhu oh no-redirect ok sure
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KevinMarks_ ouch, that's a bit harsh: http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/22/remember-ello-no-i-dont-either/
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kylewm aaronpk: does it use an iframe?
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aaronpk i don't remember lol
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kylewm i'll take a look at your bookmarklet
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kylewm thanks for the pointer :)
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aaronpk i think it's int he quill source
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/blob/master/views/partials/favorite-bookmarklet.php
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aaronpk no it uses xmlhttprequest directly https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/blob/master/public/js/fav.js
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KevinMarks_ so you setup CORS to accept all?
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aaronpk oh wait my bad, that fav.js file is old
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aaronpk it's the act of retrieving the favorite.js file that triggers the micropub post
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kylewm is more confused than before
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aaronpk yeah, it's a bit convoluted
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aaronpk i wouldn't recommend that way for what you're doing
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aaronpk but if you're making a reader, your fav button could always post to the reader which could then make the micropub requests
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kylewm yeah that's what i was planning
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@kevinmarks “Journalism is a thin thread in a vast new global tapestry of conversation and information.” @emilybell http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/28/emily-bells-2015-hugh-cudlipp-lecture-full-text #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/560530678891417602)
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kylewm this is what i'm working on btw https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind
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@proactivepaul via @sirmlivesey @fdevillamil bits of the web which ain't there anymore http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/560530726865887233)
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kylewm get it because they're "reed" instruments :P
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aaronpk tehe
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@sirmlivesey Really worth watching. Annoying that I'm rubbish at coding. - Tantek Çelik - The once and future #IndieWeb: https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/560531348545609729)
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KevinMarks_ did loqi break the video link?
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aaronpk loqi has trouble with youtube URLs, i can't figure out why
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aaronpk something with following the redirect
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@VampirSexKttns These Are the Hottest New Open Source Projects Right… http://www.wired.com/2015/01/black-duck-rookies/ #Docker #Enterprise #indieweb #Containers #technology #music (twitter.com/_/status/560546885048348673)
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KevinMarks Site deaths: https://twitter.com/michfreeman/status/560121425315786754?s=09
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@michfreeman I thought other things were the worst. But no, this is the worst. https://twitter.com/michfreeman/status/560121425315786754/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/560121425315786754)
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aaronpk there is a .rip?!
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aaronpk gah what is with this trend of 20mb video files playing as the background of a website when you open it
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GWG What is it with video playing automatically in general?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "it with video playing automatically in general" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=it+with+video+playing+automatically+in+general
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GWG It's annoying
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sparverius i dont mind that as long as it's done efficiently
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sparverius it's terrible when it falls back to flash or something
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aaronpk but making me download a 20mb file to load your home page is irresponsible
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aaronpk if i'm traveling and have a 100mb prepaid internet connection that's awful expensive
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sparverius aaronpk: i disagree. if you're targeted at a market that has unmetered bandwidth and you respect the most common metered bandwidth use cases (mobile), i dont see the issue
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aaronpk but... here's a great example. I host on AirBnB, I live in Portland, I typically have unmetered bandwidth here, so it's fine. But when I am in europe traveling I don't have unmetered bandwidth, and I still need to access AirBnB nearly daily to respond to requests.
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aaronpk and i'm not talking about visiting the site on a phone. i'm talking about prepaid internet or tethering my computer through my phone
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sparverius right, then that's a failing in airbnb
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sparverius and you should contact them
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aaronpk that's what i'm saying. it's a bad trend
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sparverius but for most people, it's fine, and the benefits that they think it offers seem to outweigh the few disadvantages
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sparverius (for them)
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aaronpk ...to assume that people can afford to download 20mb to visit your home page is kind of arrogant
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sparverius i disagree. it's 2015. in the us, that's hardly arrogant at all.
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sparverius usually, things like that have bad UX for other reasons
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aaronpk it's *not* just in the us
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sparverius then dont use those services? im just saying i dont think it's arrogant or evil
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sparverius i think it's annoying too, i usually dont mind, but i really hate it when it is at the expense of using the rest of the site efficiently
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sparverius now if we're talking 100MB
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tantek I think 20mb autoloads are arrogant yes
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tantek and disrespectful of the user's bandwidth and time
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tantek aaronpk - maybe there's an adblock rule for this
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tantek aaronpk, interestingly enough, with NoScript installed - I don't seem to see the video
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aaronpk that's good. how about on http://rightside.co/ ?
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tantek I see a static background on airbnb
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tantek not sure why because I do see the <video> tag in the source
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sparverius oh my god, that's terrible. videos with light backgrounds, ui elements in white
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sparverius that's supergeil
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tantek on "rightside" I get a big white screen
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sparverius because all the text is in white.
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sparverius they didnt implement even basic fallback :(
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tantek sparverius: not even that
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tantek select all copy / paste gives me only the following text:
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tantek Rightside .reviews .social .ninja .democrat .lawyer .dance .futbol
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tantek and that's it
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tantek lol
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tantek what is rightside?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rightside" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=rightside
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tantek alright, off for now - SF folks - see you at HWC tonight @MozSF! And everyone else - hope to see you in the channel!
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finchd the video doesn't appear until I allow scripts from zencdn.net
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tantek excellent. easy to block then.
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@kevinmarks @BuzzFeedBen @mat have you considered posting it on your own site? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/560556325394849792)
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sparverius oh jeez, they totally desgined that shit for ipads huh
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gRegor` Looking forward to HWC tonight. Haven't had much time to sit down and work on my site lately.
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GWG I wish I could hear what is going on in places with people other than me during HWC
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GWG What time is HWC again?
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tantek HWC is at 18:30 local time
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tantek and optionally per location, 17:30 local time Quiet Writing Hour
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GWG Okay, so quiet time starts in 10, I have 1.5 hours till PDX and SFO.
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GWG I can go eat dinner
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aaronpk it's 4pm PST right now
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aaronpk well, 5 minutes until
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GWG So, 5:30 is 1.5 hours away.
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aaronpk yes
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GWG So, enough time to eat
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GWG I want to be around for any more WordPress people you all recruit