#indiewebcamp 2015-01-29

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@bookprescom How are Journalists Using Social Media? [INFOGRAPHIC] >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=612903&utm_content=buffer1a5f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Shea Bennett. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/560588337124503552)
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JonathanNeal Is there a service that supports indieauth as well as other social media auths?
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aaronpk JonathanNeal: closest i can think of is the omniauth gem, but it's not a service
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tantek more references for the single page app/site anti-pattern: "The One Pager 1.0.12"
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tantek maybe "WooFramework 5.5.5"
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tantek found on dandelionchocolate.com - which shows no text when scripts disabld
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tantek so instead of using their site, I use Google Image search for "dandelion chocolate menu" - much more usable than a bunch of junk one-off single-page-app JS
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tantek essentially, use of single-page-app/site coding techniques are marking sites less useful / usable than just googling their contents, and using google image search as a proxy for their site.
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tantek of course, not sure how google is indexing the images.
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tantek ah - from other sites.
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tantek so the lesson is, either make your site content easily curlable/indexable, or other sites will determine what shows up in your search results.
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tantek that is a concrete reason why SPA approaches are an anti-pattern, you relinquish search results to the rest of the web.
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tantek (in practice that is, I don't care how many blog posts people cite about supposed search engine support for parsing JS etc. - in practice that approach is too crap to depend on)
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tantek (e.g. Brett Slatkin's recent post about client vs. serverside "rendering" where he offhandedly mentions/links to a post about search spiders crawling JS)
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tantek on another subject
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tantek I just discovered that FB allows you to "location tag" *others'* photos!
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tantek like person-tagging but with (linked)names of venues instead of people!
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tantek ah - *only* if you're tagged in the photo (are you prompted with the optoin to location-tag it)
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tantek and the text description syntax is something like
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tantek "With " (list of profile-linked person-tags) " at " (linked location tag)
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tantek and if you did the location tagging on someone else's photo, after the linked location tag it says in gray text: "(requested tag)" to indicate to you the (moderation) status
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tantek what is moderation status?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "moderation status" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=moderation+status
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/387249418101711#10153548430884554 was invited to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-01-28-homebrew-website-club
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tantek GWG, I believe that (moderation status) is the problem we're running into with WordPress comments not giving any feedback about whether your comment made it to the server etc.
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tantek heck
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tantek what is moderation?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "moderation" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=moderation
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tantek GWG, want to take a crack at that ^^^ since WordPress probably has the most deliberately designed and well understood moderation system?
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tantek documenting these basics will help us better understand some of the broader interaction problems and develop solutions
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aaronpk wtf I just got the weirdest webmention
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/webmention/aoQbQ3o4
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aaronpk tantek: want to do video tonight?
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tantek we can try!
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GWG Video?
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GWG If you do it, I'll put it up too, if I'm welcome
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tantek hey SF is on Vidyo now
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tantek aaronpk can you try to connect
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aaronpk send me a link?
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tantek same link as before
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KevinMarks paging snarfed, kylew
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aaronpk tantek: found you
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aaronpk there were like 6 vidyo links in my logs
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tantek whoa - and they were different?!?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek for the "IndieWeb" room?
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aaronpk they all just had different key=XXXXX, no names
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tantek are you tapping in PDX?
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tantek are you sending video as well as audio?
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KevinMarks back with jean and i cna curl --head www.jeanmrussell.com/testing-brid-gy/ OK
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KevinMarks so why would brid.gy be blocked?
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KevinMarks robots.txt?
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tantek GWG? ^^^
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GWG Yes?
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KevinMarks any ideas on why bridgy might get a 403 when my curl gets a 200
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KevinMarks from curl --head www.jeanmrussell.com/testing-brid-gy/
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GWG Sounds like it might be a host issue, not a WordPress issue, unless there is a plugin filtering hosts
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GWG Early on, my settings were restricting some curls.
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KevinMarks bridgy is appengine right? so presumably using google fetch
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tantek aaronpk - we can see and hear you
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tantek can you see or hear us?
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aaronpk tantek: great we can't hear you but can see you
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tantek yes we can hear and see you
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GWG The user agent is python-requests
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GWG Some servers do block that
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KevinMarks o_O
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KevinMarks the robots.txt seems ok
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tantek we are talking
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tantek are you sure you don't have your volume turned down on us or something?
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GWG Who is the hosting provider?
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aaronpk we got it now
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aaronpk it was complicated
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KevinMarks site5
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KevinMarks is the host
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KevinMarks if I do curl -A "python-requests" --head www.jeanmrussell.com/testing-brid-gy/
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KevinMarks i still get a 200
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KevinMarks yet bridgy gets a 403
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GWG Odd.
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GWG Something is rejecting it.
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tantek SF: KevinMarks is on.
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tantek has been working on some SVG stuf
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tantek you can upload an SVG
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tantek and then it gives you a URL for them like imgur
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tantek working on a convert to PNG also
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tantek it supports webmentions via webmention heroku app
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tantek PDX: emmak
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tantek notenoughneon.com
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tantek thinking about rewriting it in Node.js
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tantek if anyone has node experience
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tantek node for various reasons
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tantek PDX: aaronpk
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tantek couple of weeks ago - wrote a post about
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tantek recap of what he did in 2014
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2015/01/04/1/owning-my-data-in-2014
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aaronpk http://indiewebcat.com/
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aaronpk http://indiec.at/n4_P1
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review
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@NurtureGirl At homebrew, the meeting for #indiewebcamp where work on our own websites. I come b/c @kevinmarks. https://twitter.com/NurtureGirl/status/560630984031227904/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/560630984031227904)
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tantek SF: @jf
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tantek wrote code to go from Kindle notes to static web pages
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tantek 3 different versions of Kindle files
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tantek had to handle all three
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tantek to static web pages
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tantek URL coming
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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joel http://joel.franusic.com/2015/01/01/highlights-of-and-notes-on-what-technology-wants/
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tantek SF: andi
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joel This is the static page I made of my notes on "What Technology Wants"
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tantek has been blogging
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tantek writing a medium post about how to fix something is less inspiring than writing a post about a song
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Guest33444 And here is the code that I wrote to parse my crazy Kindle Highlights file: https://github.com/jpf/gannet
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aaronpk andi can you hold the mic closer?
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tantek trying to figure out a balance between displaying herself as an expert in the field, vs. just being herself
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tantek how can we share without worrying about career stuff
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jjuran Josh Juran: jjuran.com, metamage.com and others, @joshuajuran on Twitter
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tantek SF: Josh Juran
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tantek Andi: iamajukebox.com
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tantek Josh: have not done any blogging lately, but a lot of development
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tantek portable distributed programming system
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tantek SF: Daniel
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jjuran Fornaxis ^
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tantek trying to redesign his website
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tantek wanting to start getting some inspiration and start coding again
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tantek SF: Jean Russell
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tantek 2 weeks ago KevinMarks and Jean were working on getting Bridgy working on her Wordpress blog
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tantek jeanmrussell.com
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tantek but getting a 403 error
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tantek Bridgy is making a request of her site and is receiving a 403
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tantek from her site
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GWG Still unsure why. Wish there was a log file to check
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tantek SF: Arye
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tantek came about a month ago
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tantek and motivation to redo his personal site
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tantek and did it! very proud of that
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indie-visitor https://aribadernatal.com
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tantek personal site is ..
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tantek ^^^
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tantek PDX: @reidab
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tantek reidbeel.com
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aaronpk http://reidbeels.com/
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tantek working on a mostly static site driven
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tantek rework of it
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tantek trying to duck back in here to figure out what the current state is
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tantek have various other projects
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tantek one of which is Calagator
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tantek which we were talking about how RSVPs could work
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tantek PDX: Emma
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aaronpk emmak: notenoughneon.com
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tantek (aaronpk can you take notes we're having trouble hearing)
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aaronpk has been using her reader in her site for a while a
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aaronpk and is noticing that she wants to add realtime functionality to it
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aaronpk like how twitter shows interactions as they happen without refreshing
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2014-review
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments#Additional_2015-01_launches
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tantek Andi: how do you change the name of the input type=file button
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tantek from "Choose File" to something else
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tantek SF Tantek: asked for last call for contributions to /2014-review and /2015-01-01-commitments
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tantek SF / PDX closed the Vidyo connection
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tantek time for peer to peer small group discussions
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indie-visitor https://aribadernatal.com/ (How to do RSS feeds like in sidebar)
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david.shanske.com created /moderation (+446) "Created page with "<dfn>Moderation</dfn> is the process of holding [[comments]] for review by a human. == Moderation Status == Under the current [[webmention]] specification there is no indicati..."" (view diff)
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GWG Got to start somewhere
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tantek GWG++ exactly
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Loqi GWG has 61 karma
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@LearnwithERG RT @rockECHSprin: Conferencing w/S about the work! #griffinpride #ownyourdata @lajRCSCAO @EThompson_22 https://twitter.com/rockECHSprin/status/560470612674887681/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/560635597346594816)
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GWG tantek: I still have to point out that the webmention spec needs to be expanded.
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tantek GWG - could you rephrase that request as set of questions about webmention?
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GWG tantek: You suggested that my site should return notice about moderation. What form are you suggesting that take?
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tantek yes I was suggesting moderation status as a part of the UX of any site that has moderation
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tantek first step of any such design question is to gather and document examples
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tantek see logs today where I mentioned Facebook for example and (requested tag)
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-01-28#t1422492871721
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tantek what is analytics?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/analytics
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Guest33444 Does anybody have a suggestion for a self hosted thing like "Google Analytics"?
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Guest33444 oooo, thanks @Loqi
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tantek.com edited /website-analytics (+105) "needs a definition" (view diff)
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Loqi you're welcome
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tantek what is analytics?
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Loqi analytics needs a definition by someone who understands what it is and cares about it https://indiewebcamp.com/analytics
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tantek who is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Loqi.me
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GWG tantek: I thught you were referring to a response code earlier. So, more than that.
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tantek aaronpk - what is analytics?
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Loqi analytics needs a definition by someone who understands what it is and cares about it https://indiewebcamp.com/analytics
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aaronpk hahaha
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snarfed KevinMarks: jean: hey! sorry you're (she's) still having trouble getting bridgy to talk to her site
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snarfed full log from bridgy side is linked from her user page, https://www.brid.gy/twitter/NurtureGirl - click on the "Polled X…minutes ago" link, but you probably already knew that
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snarfed i've seen this a couple times before with both wp and non-wp sites. i'd ugess some plugin or config that tries to defend against bots/scrapers
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snarfed er, sorry, the bridgy logs that matter here are the individual response links. the "X… ago" links under "Recent responses"
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snarfed aha. i can reproduce it in a local python shell with just:
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snarfed import requests; requests.get('http://www.jeanmrussell.com/testing-brid-gy/')
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GWG snarfed: That was what I was thinking. I had one I had to reconfigure.
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tantek goodnight from SF!
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Loqi ciao
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: starred woodwind! might use it on site and contribute once I get back to more indieweb stuffs
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GWG Woodwind?
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KartikPrabhu python based reader by kylewm: https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind
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KartikPrabhu what is woodwind?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "woodwind" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=woodwind
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: ^ you got tantek-ed
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gRegor` Ran into a little security issue at Chicago HWC tonight.
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gRegor` Namely, the door was really secure . . . and the lock did not like the key.
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gRegor` So we ended up getting noodles instead.
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gRegor` I really wish I had taken a picture now, KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu lol :)
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: about Kindle notes that we discussed at the "stand outside in cold" HWC http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-01-28#t1422499969158
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gRegor` I saw that, hadn't clicked through yet
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gRegor` You're not using Kindle, though, correct?
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KartikPrabhu nope
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@kevinmarks @Eric_Brisco there is @withknown. I'm sure a syntax highlighting plugin is doable #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/560692640878837761)
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KevinMarks Twitter has retweet permalinks? https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/560692244529700864
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@kevinmarks RT @neilhimself: @NekoCase we are boingy rabbits. We are the tea drinking boingy rabbits of love. (twitter.com/_/status/560692244529700864)
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tantek KevinMarks: oh yes they do and have had for a while
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tantek in fact they keep track of the entire retweet chain, so that if you reply to something by A rewteeted by B then C (which is how you saw it), then when you reply it puts all three in the default reply text as @-mentions preceding tyour text content.
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KevinMarks Hm, interesting
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@kevinmarks @jensimmons @Paul_Kinlan you might find http://indiewebcamp.com/https#How_to helpful (twitter.com/_/status/560696840723496961)
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@bmann @davidascher to be clear, @jimgroom is attempting to light the path for edtech http://bavatuesdays.com/how-automobiles-super-highways-and-containerization-helped-me-understand-the-future-of-the-web/ - also decentralization, indieweb etc. (twitter.com/_/status/560712056202985472)
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@andkjaer How are Journalists Using Social Media? [INFOGRAPHIC] >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=612903&utm_content=bufferbd0d4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Shea Bennett. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/560770126640070657)
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kylewm !tell jhsheridan excited you are going to try out red wind! there are likely some rough edges in the installation right now but nothing huge. and also the pilbox dependency is going away eventually
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I've discovered that you shouldn't send pull requests at 2AM
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@robotbrook 2015/Brighton - IndieWebCamp https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton (twitter.com/_/status/560829742505422848)
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@robotbrook POSSE - IndieWebCamp https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/560829745198153728)
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Loqi [mention] https://piratenpartij.nl/nieuwe-set-aanwijzingen-internetgebruik/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Principles (pingback)
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GWG !tell tantek I've submitted a PR for issue #9 of the Semantic Linkbacks plugin. After checks, I need to find someone with legitimate pingbacks to try and convert. Any ideas?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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gregorlove.com created /imgur (+104) "stub" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /imgur (+12) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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GWG I need a WordPress user with legitimate non spam pingbacks. That seems like a tall order
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aaronpk GWG: i've received legitimate non-spam pingbacks but not to my wordperss site
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GWG Aaronpk, I have sn extension under development for converting okf pingbacks in Wordpress.
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GWG Old
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aaronpk ah
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gRegor` Converting them to what, GWG?
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GWG gRegor`: Richer content. The current plugin doesn't convert old pingbacks, only new ones.
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tantek GWG, some of the Mozilla blogs have some pingbacks that are legitimate non-spam
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Loqi tantek: GWG left you a message 46 minutes ago: I've submitted a PR for issue #9 of the Semantic Linkbacks plugin. After checks, I need to find someone with legitimate pingbacks to try and convert. Any ideas?
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tantek I've seen them in the past - you'll have to search for Mozilla blogs to find one in particular.
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GWG Okay. Need to fix the code first. Goy some feedback on my first try from Pfefferle.
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GWG I hate phone keyboards, by the way
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@sr_rolando @textundblog Sehr interessant in diesem Zusammenhang finde ich übrigens die Bestrebungen rund um Webmention. http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/560882055845015552)
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aaronpk tantek: I just booked flights to Boston for w3c f2f!
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tantek aaronpk++ woot!
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Loqi aaronpk has 675 karma
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aaronpk managed to do it for $150 to buy some delta miles, and $140 return flight
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GWG When is w3c?
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aaronpk https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-17
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GWG Worth going to? I can get to Boston easily?
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GWG And I'm always looking for new things to do
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aaronpk you're planning on going to IWC right?
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge
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GWG aaronpk: It doesn't conflict this year, so I might come up for it
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aaronpk cool
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GWG I'd love to, either way
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tantek GWG, if you want to attend the W3C Social WG f2f, you MUST apply ASAP to be an invited expert per: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#How_to_participate see the "Invited Experts" section there.
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KevinMarks_ i have some non-spam pingbacks on tummelvision.tv
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tantek GWG, let me know if you have *any* difficulty with the invited expert process.
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KevinMarks_ let's hope they have improved their baroque passwords system
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@nobantu Countdown 2theEnd of EarlyBirdTickets 4the 20th #IIW XX: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xx-20-2015a-tickets-14097972415 #identity #privacy #VRM #CRM #IoT #UMA #openID #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/560892856194195457)
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tantek KevinMarks_: unlikely - I think it is optimized for a *new* person joining and following all instructions very closely.
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tantek any straying from the instructions, or dealing with previous accounts appears to be randomly problematic
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GWG Am I correct that Cambridge is Thu/Fri this year?
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tantek yes
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GWG Okay
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tantek.com edited /2015/Cambridge (-46) "dfn, better h-event markup, explicitly note Thursday Friday, lots of de-duping" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /indiewebcampcambridge (+28) "r" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ hm http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/fashion/this-has-people-clamoring-for-an-invite.html?smid=fb-share
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@GATaylor3 Might you seek a tale of witches which provokes fanned whisker twitches? Return To Brude #MG #BYNR #SPShow #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.co.uk/Return-To-Brude-G-Taylor-ebook/dp/B00MARLHW6/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_9 (twitter.com/_/status/560911295227363328)
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aaronpk dangit why are people shortening #indieauthors to #indieauth now?
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aaronpk that wasn't even one of the twitter-truncated #indieauth... ones
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tantek aaronpk maybe you need to post more about #indieauth ;)
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk I do have quite a backlog of things to process https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues
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aaronpk apparently haven't closed any issues since november
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tantek and you have the @indieauth account also right?
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aaronpk @indie_auth ... @indieauth was taken
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tantek hmm - is it in use?
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk no tweets even
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tantek then perhaps file a Twitter support request to get the account, and let them know the "current" account you have that you'd like renamed to @indieauth, is @indie_auth
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tantek usually if there are no tweets, you can get such accounts quickly
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tantek pretty sure that's how Aral got @indie for example
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tantek especially point out that you have indieauth.com
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aaronpk oh really? I thought they weren't doing that anymore
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aaronpk although indieauth.com might help
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tantek exactly - you're already paying for that identity - that gives you cred
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tantek in other news - who wants to help with iterating on http://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0 and filling in the previously MISSING and UNDEFINED bits with things we've figured out since that page was last edited?
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@Indie_Auth RT @kevinbeynon: Implemented #IndieAuth on my site. Next step is creating Notes and POSSE them to Twitter. #AllInspiredAndShit - http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/560915565678579712)
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aaronpk it boggles my mind how many emails twitter sends out
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tantek "how many emails twitter sends out" = "growth hacking"
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ben_thatmustbeme still haven't found a co-organizer for cambridge
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: gRegor` left you a message 1 day, 4 hours ago: I tried to skim through your updates yesterday to keep the IWC 2015 parts, but had a hard time following the diff. I chose to revert instead. Can you take a look and put back the changes you intended? Be sure the next HWC section is correct.
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: gRegor` left you a message 1 day, 4 hours ago: I'm referring to /Main_Page
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /2015/ (+2) "dates confirmed for IWCCambridge" (view diff)
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aaronpk i don't even know where to go to send a support request to twitter
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aaronpk i thought there was some sort of trademark violation thing
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tantek help/support link in footer?
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aaronpk it takes me to a navigation maze
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aaronpk even the "contact support" link isn't really a contact page
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tantek http://www.ehow.com/how_8510836_request-inactive-twitter-account.html
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aaronpk don't have a trademark registration number for IndieAuth tho
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tantek http://www.twitip.com/how-to-secure-unused-twitter-accounts/
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aaronpk the closest thing i can find is to report it as a brand impersonation
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ben_thatmustbeme looking at SWAT0 we have pretty much figured out how to do all those, just haven't really done them yet
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ben_thatmustbeme i had planned to implement them, just got side-tracked with MobilePub
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aaronpk submitted a report. we'll see what happens.
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aaronpk "Please note: this form is only for reporting accounts that violate our impersonation policy. At this time, we are unable to accommodate individual requests for inactive or suspended @usernames." autoresponse
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tantek damn
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk they've been saying they're going to create an inactive account policy for years now
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /User:Ben.thatmustbe.me (-32) "/* MobilePub */ update with things i've completed, download link" (view diff)
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tantek those of you involved with W3C Social Web WG, you may be interested in this (re)tweetable summary of the original SWAT0 (Social Web Acid Test v0) https://twitter.com/t/status/560921112767242241
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@t SWAT0 A posts+tags mobile photo of B B photo notified C(follows A) sees it; replies A&B comment notified Prev: http://tantek.com/2015/029/t1/swat0-posts-tags-mobile-photo-comment (twitter.com/_/status/560921112767242241)
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tantek (works better with line-breaks)
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I'm going to try to come up.
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tantek GWG, great!
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GWG tantek: I need to get a Thursday off.
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GWG Friday is normally my day off
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tantek you should apply as a Social Web WG invited expert regardless!
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GWG Then hotels and such
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GWG tantek: When is Social Web?
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GWG Just before?
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Loqi +1
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tantek yes
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GWG Did someone answer the Social Web thing and I missed it in the scroll?
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-17
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GWG tantek: What makes me qualified to be an expert?
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GWG In your opinion as I don't know what the qualifications are?
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tantek GWG: here is both my opinion of the qualifications, and the other chairs also: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Invited_Expert_Approval
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GWG tantek: So, your qualifications are you have to be active on publishing social content on your site. But you seem to be outvoted
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GWG I think maybe I'll just come for Thursday
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tantek GWG, there is no outvoted - each chair has their own opinion, and any chair can potentially veto an invited expert (there has to be consensus to accept them)
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tantek just apply
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tantek you're obviously an implementer, you've got shipping WP plugins
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GWG I'll see how my work feels about time off. They owe me some
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GWG tantek: I'm a neophyte implementer. I'd like to think I'm getting better
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tantek GWG, you're a *shipping* implementer who's actively *selfdogfooding* on their own site
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tantek that puts you way above 90% of implementers
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GWG I need to dogfood more though.
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GWG But most of what I'm working on is trying to get to making it easier.
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GWG Sometimes, I think about posting, and remember all the steps
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tantek there's always room for improvement, that's not a negative
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GWG Then some guy comments he has to wait for me to moderate a favorite, so I stop for a bit and write a whitelist for Semantic Linkbacks.
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GWG I do so at 2AM, and don't know what I was thinking, because after I woke up, I wondered why I thought it would work the way I did it
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GWG So I rewrote it, and while I was in the code, wrote a bulk old pingback script to run on activation and sent some more pull requests.
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GWG And fortunately, Pfefferle is very good at keeping my sleep deprived enthusiasm under control, so I need to do another rewrite.
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GWG I'm mentioning this, because I'm building the tools I want to use.
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GWG I just feel I need to use them more
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tantek don't we all :)
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KevinMarks_ yes indeed
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KevinMarks_ wonders if noterlive could become a tweetstorm tool
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aaronpk isn't it already?
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KevinMarks_ not quite - it is for reported speech
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aaronpk ah. seems like not a far stretch!
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KevinMarks_ it'd need to number the tweets and make them reply to each other
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tantek maybe just a mode switch for that? those are often quite annoying
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aaronpk that sounds like a description of how to POSSE a blog post to Twitter!
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tantek that too!
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tantek (or at least a short blog post)
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aaronpk preferably a post with tweet-length sentences ;)
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KevinMarks_ right, the art is actually making the tweets break into standlone points
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KevinMarks_ ones that ellipsis over multiple tweets aren't quite right
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KevinMarks_ that reminds me: https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/560861776481234945
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@tomcoates In my head are some ideas about selecting text and easily quoting them as a new tweet, making twitter bizarrely rich annotated doc store (twitter.com/_/status/560861776481234945)
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tantek KevinMarks_: why not reply to @tomcoates pointing out we already do that, but using our own sites: http://indiewebcamp.com/quotation
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tantek (which can then *optionally* POSSE to Twitter, thus supersetting his idea)
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tantek without giving up data ownership/control
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aaronpk i believe i may even have a video of me doing that
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KevinMarks_ workflow: highlight text; click bookmarklet - it creates a quotation post that you can comment on (with fragmention) then POSSEs it to twitter with an image of the quoted text
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tantek aaronpk - even better - reply with, "already thought of it, and implemented: (video) "
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aaronpk indeed: http://aaron.pk/n4Y01
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tantek and then encourage him if he's interested in these topics to join the rest of us on the cutting of edge at indiewebcamp
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@kevinmarks @tomcoates @aaronpk has got this working on his site: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/09/07/1/indieweb-bookmarks - would love to get you to an #indiewebcamp some time (twitter.com/_/status/560941290871738369)
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gRegor` Re: invited experts, I applied and added myself to the wiki page, but was later removed. https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=Socialwg&diff=77734&oldid=77730 I don't particularly mind since I probably would not have had time to participate anyway.
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GWG So I've written a domain whitelist for moderation on my site...not yet live. What other moderation tools can I build?
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GWG gRegor`: You were going to come to Boston?
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tantek gRegor - that likely means you were accepted
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tantek did you not get email about it and automatically get signed up for the mailing list?
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gRegor` The whole process has confused me honestly.
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tantek gRegor`: it is confusing. feel free to email harry as instructed here: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#How_to_participate
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KevinMarks_ wow styling a file input button is pretty nasty
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KevinMarks_ :(
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tantek yeah - don't bother :(
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aaronpk isn't there a trick of making some other button and triggering it via JS?
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KevinMarks_ I was just reading http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/inputfile.html
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aaronpk yeah http://jsfiddle.net/edelman/sSSNj/
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aaronpk should probably add that css via JS so it falls back to a regular button with noscript
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tantek exactly
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@aaronpk @tomcoates You mean like this? http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/09/07/1/indieweb-bookmarks It's been super useful for me! (twitter.com/_/status/560941344646905856)
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KevinMarks_ there is a huge tension between designers wanting consistent buttons and browsers implementing native ones
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