#indiewebcamp 2015-02-02

2015-02-02 UTC
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ben_thatmust
GWG, how do you mean? share a hotel room?
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GWG
ben_thatmust: I can get a great deal with my employee benefits
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GWG
They'll give me a studio with a kitchenette, two breakfasts, and free net
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ben_thatmust
so what do you need from me?
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GWG
ben_thatmust: It comes with a sofabed
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GWG
If I can find someone to sleep on the sofabed, they and I can save money
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GWG
I'm asking you to keep a lookout for a sofabed sleeper as you organize
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snarfed
hey GWG, sorry for the bridgy publish 400s. if you shift refresh your user page, it should work then
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message on 1/31 at 10:05pm: oddly got a 403 while trying to like this post on FB http://tantek.com/2015/031/f2
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GWG
snarfed: I POSSEd manually. I was going to report
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Loqi
[mention] http://indiewebcamp.com posted 'Sign in with your domain What is the IndieWeb? The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’. Your...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/File:iwc-cambridge-sway.gif
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Loqi
[mention] http://indiewebcamp.com posted 'Sign in with your domain What is the IndieWeb? The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’. Your...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k
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tantek
KevinMarks: any particular new TLDs you're partial to? I might be willing to consider case-by-case exceptions.
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GWG
There are too many of them
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GWG
tantek: For only $15, I can get tantek.ninja
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tantek
there are too many that you're partial to?
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tantek
!tell kylewm,snarfed I tried to like this FB photo http://tantek.com/2015/032/f1but got the error message: "Sorry, the Facebook API doesn't support liking pages."
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
tantek: Too many new ones. It confuses me
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GWG
I have some .com and a few .us . But very few other ones
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tantek
GWG I agree "Too many new ones. It confuses me" and will add, it annoys me.
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tantek
all they've done is worse the paradox of choice situation with TLDs
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tantek
s/worse/worsen
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: all they've done is worsen the paradox of choice situation with TLDs
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@ricksmithbooks
Learn how to publish your PAPERBACK with CreateSpace on Amazon. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RPP01H0
(twtr.io/vmSgB30QY0)
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tantek
and I found a bug in my like implementation with handling URLs with ampersands :(
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KartikPrabhu
I don't think publishing with Amazon counts as indieauth or any kind
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tantek
hah yeah
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GWG
But everyone assumes .com
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GWG
Few people assume the others.
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tantek
KartikPrabhu, can't wait for aaronpk the get the @indieauth account so he can @-reply to such tweets with such commentary.
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tantek
GWG, pretty much. the others only really useful for shorteners
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tantek
or neutral "org" branding. maybe "edu" and "gov" as well.
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tantek
obv ccTLDs make sense
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tantek
but the rest, they can get off my lawn
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GWG
My problem is, I'm not a company.
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GWG
But I own a .com
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aaronpk
nah publishing on amazon is totally indie
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GWG
As do most of us
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GWG
.com doesn't mean anything anymore.
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tantek
it means more legit than other fly-by-night domains
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aaronpk
the point of indie publishing is to not go through a publisher
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tantek
like .info or .name
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aaronpk
you can just make a book and start selling it on amazon without needing to get a contract with a publisher
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tantek
aaronpk - publishing on Amazon is not indie when they require *exclusive* distribution
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aaronpk
i don't think they require exclusive distribution
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aaronpk
https://www.createspace.com/diy "Keep control. Maintain complete creative control and own your copyright with our non-exclusive agreement."
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tantek
not yet
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tantek
yeah - I expect all the silos to put more and more exclusive pressure in the future
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tantek
like YouTube with videos
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GWG
I think I likened it to The Cask of Amontillado.
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aaronpk
ah, well createspace is really just a printing service
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aaronpk
you can also just get things printed using createspace, you don't have to sell them on amazon
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GWG
aaronpk: You track location, food, etc. Do you track weather?
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aaronpk
GWG: yeah right now i use a weather api and query it based on my current location, so I get the weather wherever I am
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GWG
aaronpk: You store it?
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GWG
aaronpk: Or just for your own information?
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aaronpk
yeah it's stored in a DB every 15 minutes
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aaronpk
what I want to do is add a little line next to all my posts with the location and the weather
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GWG
I'm looking into monitoring the temperature myself and storing it.
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aaronpk
i have a netatmo at home but i'm not archiving that myself right now
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GWG
aaronpk: How is that? I saw reviews saying it was surprisingly not waterproof for an outdoor object
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aaronpk
i haven't had it sitting in a super wet environment
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GWG
I'm not sure I'm going to do it, but I was thinking of sending weather info to my sie.
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GWG
site
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GWG
That was along the lines of what I was thinking.
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GWG
Is there mf2 for weather?
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aaronpk
good question!
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GWG
I try.
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GWG
The next question is weather a kind of post in itself in addition to being data on a post.
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aaronpk
sure it could be
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aaronpk
a weather station would generate weather posts
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GWG
What is weather?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "weather" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=weather
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GWG
Guess I better get on that
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tantek
aaronpk "it could be", but it's not really interesting until someone finds a reason to make it so.
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tantek
AFAIK there are no current implementations / UIs for "weather posts", silo or not
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aaronpk
yeah there haven't really been many exmaples of non-people with indieweb accounts.
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aaronpk
the closest is indiewebcat.com but she's arguably a person ;)
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tantek
oh you mean "weather" as an entity
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aaronpk
I *have* been secretly planning on making a p3k instance for my house...
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tantek
I thought you mean "weather posts" like "scrobble posts" or "reading posts"
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tantek
something you passively experience
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GWG
aaronpk: I'm waiting for things to have sites, or subsites
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aaronpk
nah, I know I wouldn't publish posts like that on my site
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tantek
I suppose you could go back to shipman's logs for that kind of "post"
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tantek
since they logged the weather and such
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tantek
haven't seen it on the web yet though
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aaronpk
facebook does it for events
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aaronpk
okay there's the start of the /weather page, heh
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tantek
well, as an *attribute* of an event right?
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GWG
How about those accounts on silos such as someone's scale or such?
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tantek
like "location"
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aaronpk
yeah an attribute of posts
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tantek
similarly, Nike+ adds weather as an attribute of each "run" post
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tantek
right, so there's three interpretation
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tantek
weather as an attribute of a post, like location
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tantek
weather as a passive experienced post, like a scrobble
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aaronpk
can you add a screenshot of Nike+?
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tantek
weather as an independent entity that "does" things
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tantek
what is Nike+?
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Loqi
Nike+ is an exercise activity hosting silo operated by Nike https://indiewebcamp.com/Nike%2B
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GWG
tantek: That makes it two questions
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tantek
no I said three
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tantek
1. attribute. 2. passive experience. 3. entity
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GWG
I'm confused about 2 and 3
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aaronpk
what about a post from an inanimate object like a house or a weather station? that's not quite a passive experience but may be close
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GWG
Attribute I get
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aaronpk
hmm facebook seems to remove the weather attribute for past events
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aaronpk
now it's not showing me weather on new events either. oh well, can't get a screenshot right now then.
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GWG
tantek: Can you elaborate on weather as an entity and passive experience?
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GWG
I'm trying to wrap my mind around it
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aaronpk
passive experience would be similar to things like music you listen to
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GWG
Do we have that in the wiki?
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GWG
What is music?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "music" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=music
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GWG
Okay. More worm cans opened
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aaronparecki.com
created /music (+21) "for now"
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GWG
This raises more questions
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kylewm
tantek: did you delete the like post that gave you an error?
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Loqi
kylewm: tantek left you a message 53 minutes ago: I tried to like this FB photo http://tantek.com/2015/032/f1but got the error message: "Sorry, the Facebook API doesn't support liking pages."
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GWG
What is a passive post?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "passive post" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=passive+post
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tantek
kylewm: yeah
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tantek
what is scrobbling?
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Loqi
A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track) that you have listened to https://indiewebcamp.com/scrobbling
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tantek
GWG, logging a passive experience, e.g. scrobble, or abovementioned historical case of shipmen recording the weather in their log book
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tantek
GWG, weather as an entity, see @karlthefog
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kylewm
thanks
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tantek
GWG, aaronpk's example of a weather station is perhaps another example of a (machine) entity, that is passively experiencing the weather
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tantek
is not going to worry about the cloud-seeding case until someone here starts doing that.
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tantek
kylewm np. turned out something in my like post aggregation code to generate my home page is heisenbroken and I don't have the mental accuity to debug it tonight
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tantek
heisenbug - a bug that disappears when you turn debugging on
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tantek
heisenbroken - when a feature is only broken in non-debug mode/build.
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aaronpk
oh i forgot about @karlthefog!
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tantek
aaronpk - I was waiting for someone to connect "entity" and Karl. Then I got impatient ;)
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aaronpk
side note: wow lame url shortener practices... budurl.com/raininterview
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aaronpk
bad paste sorry
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aaronpk
http://budurl.com/raininterview redirects to http://budurl.com/?expired/raininterview with a message "To re-enable this link, please reactivate your account by choosing an active plan."
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tantek
what that's pretty messed up
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bret.io
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tantek
what is budurl?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "budurl" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=budurl
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bret.io
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aaronpk
bah i gotta stop talking here unless i have time to edit wiki pages ;)
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bret.io
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bret
aaronpk: or you could make a Loqi command to stub a page with a quick sentence
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Loqi
is done
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tantek
aaronpk - or mentor an apprentice into creating / editing wiki pages following your lead
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aaronpk
lol I like the two different approaches
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tantek
aaronpk - wondering if some minor "this week" metrics would gamify some wiki page editing / creating.
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tantek
e.g. "top 10 new page creators" (not just redirects), "top 10 page editors" - though I suppose we should ask tommorris if WP has any experience with such metrics / gamifying.
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aaronpk
ooh I do like that idea
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tantek
(just wondering about potential backfiring of such leaderboards)
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tantek
the fact that it would change every week might make it ok
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david.shanske.com
created /weather (+513) "Created page with "<dfn>Weather</dfn> is the state of the atmosphere at a place and time as regards heat, dryness, sunshine, wind, rain, etc. Weather can be an attribute of a [[post]], a log of a ...""
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GWG
There
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tantek
indeed
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tantek
back when we didn't have as stringnt real world criteria :/
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tantek
feel free to edit and improve!
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GWG
The MF2 wiki, or the Indieweb one?
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@johnnyhockin
The #indieweb is using technology to disrupt the corporate-controlled web: http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/
(twtr.io/vmdhUivYuQ)
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tantek
GWG - both - the raw microformats research is probably better on the microformats wiki
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GWG
I'm not sure where to start on that.
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GWG
New to suggesting formats
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tantek
where to start: concrete real world use-cases on indiewebcamp
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GWG
Ok. Will start there
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KevinMarks__
Hm, new tlds I have bought: .media .house .club
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@ricksmithbooks
Publish your printed book on Amazon with this step-by-step guide. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RPP01H0
(twtr.io/vmok7_rHFk)
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KevinMarks__
Also .link and .international
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KevinMarks__
And .actor
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GWG
kevinmarks.actor?
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KevinMarks__
No, nyt.actor with the idea of subdomains for national youth theatre alumni
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KevinMarks__
Similarly mixes.house for djs
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KartikPrabhu
oh no! lat one is wrong channle :P
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hmans
I'm having a hard time finding more specific information about u-uid in h-entry.
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hmans
I've been assuming that u-uid is supposed to remain the same even if the post itself changes (including changes to its URL), but I only see people using it alongside u-url.
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hmans
(context: deduplication of incoming webmentions)
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KartikPrabhu
hmans: u-uid might not be what you need for dedup of webmention especially is th URL changes. If the URL changes it might be better to resend a webmention from old URL which does a 403 redirect from to the new one
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hmans
KartikPrabhu, noted
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KartikPrabhu
hmans: also i think u-uid is expected to the a unique-id for the h-entry in a particular domain possibly. So I would be nice if authors respected that (like a canonica URL), but who knows!
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hmans
KartikPrabhu, ideally it would be a fully functional URL that never changes through the lifetime of a post and always redirects to the post's current canonical (in a human-readable, or SEO sense) URL.
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hmans
This would make deduplication trivial
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KartikPrabhu
but i have no data on how most author use it
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hmans
eg. if you receive a webmention, and the source URL has a u-uid that you already know, you can HEAD the known UID to verify that the new source URL is indeed the current canonical URL of the post.
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hmans
A lot of people simply don't use it at all, it appears
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KartikPrabhu
right. it depends on how authors use u-uid and how webmention de dup is implemented
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KevinMarks_
u-uid was originally for hcard, not posts
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waterpigs.co.uk
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tantek
good morning #Indiewebcamp! here briefly until flight attendants tell us to put devices away.
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tantek
hmans - you have to do much more than URL equivalency for de-duping
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tantek
in fact, that's probably the least important
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tantek
more important: de-duping with POSSE copies
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tantek
hmans - see what is deduplication
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Loqi
Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/deduplication
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tantek
KevinMarks: meh, seems like another apologism article for both legacy email login, and NASCAR. not an interesting blog post.
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tantek
KevinMarks: .media you bought for your son right?
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tantek
and you seriously got "mixes.house"? wow
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tantek
what about club link and international? what did you get with those?
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tantek
ok off for now!
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Loqi
[bridgy] KyleWm replied '@pierreozoux it's a small feed reader I'm working on github.com/kylewm/woodwind' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Search?search=woodwind&fulltext=Search (https://twitter.com/kylewm2/status/562273273170239488)
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kylewm
python's package index stats are really wonky. how i wish 800 people had downloaded Flask-Micropub this month, but I just don't buy it
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aaronpk
probably lots of bots crawling the package library
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aaronpk
i've seen a bunch of twitter bots tweet out new packages
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@dkreuz
#WSGI the functional way is just fun. Implemented a simple #webmention endpoint. #python #indieweb
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gregorlove.com
edited /Main_Page (-31) "/* Homebrew Website Club */ next"
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@sethgoldstein
@kevinmarks i have a podcast called The Interview Show on @Phillytech_org. I'd love to interview you about the IndieWeb and what you're up 2
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tantek
KevinMarks - awesome: http://www.xkcd.com/1481
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tantek
that needs to be added to /microformats
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gRegor`
Haha
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gRegor`
"ACCESS LIMITS: Clients may maintain connections to the server for no more than 86,400 seconds per day. If you need additional time, you may contact IERS to file a request for up to one additional second."
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millette
speaking of interviews, http://redecentralize.org/interviews/ would be nice
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millette
gRegor`, that extra second can come in handy once every few years, don't underestimate it!
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tantek
When is the next hwc?
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gRegor`
February 11th ;)
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tantek
^^^ aaronpk, Loqi-task: "when is" = same page finding algorithm as "what is", then look for "dt-start" and "p-name" inside the first "h-event" on the page, and if found (optional also look for "p-location") return "p-name is dt-start at p-location. URL-following-wiki-redirects"
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aaronpk
hah nice
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tantek
then people could ask things like:
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millette
allô renoir :-)
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gregorlove.com
edited /Loqi (+175) "/* Ideas */ when is the next HWC"
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tantek
when is the next indiewebcamp?
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gregorlove.com
edited /Loqi (+38) "/* Ideas */ X"
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tantek
aaronpk, and related Loqi-task: "where is" = "when is" except "p-location" required not optional, and text returned slightly different to reflect different focus: "p-name is at p-location, dt-start. page-URL-following-wiki-redirects"
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Loqi
grins profusely
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tantek
^^^ he wants the new capabilities.
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renoirb_
sorry, re-configuring stuff
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tantek.com
edited /microformats (+246) "xkcd 1481"
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tantek
KevinMarks, amazing: http://imgur.com/eWjDz re: images vs. HTML text in posts on silos
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KevinMarks
You hadn't seen that before? Christopher made it from my post
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@raretrack
Another step towards controlling my own data on the #indieweb ; re-licenced my photos on #Flickr to be #AllRightsReserved #ownyourdata
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KevinMarks
He said "good point but the people who you need to reach look at images"
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raretrack
Didn't realise my tagged tweets turned up here automatically. Cool!
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aaronpk
heh yeah that was part of that discussion ;)
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sandro
Is the a de-facto standard for what image from a page is used to grab attention when just a link-to-html is provided? If that were well known, and carefully managed, that could help.
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millette
sandro, facebook's opengraph <meta property="og:image" content="..." />
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aaronpk
the first u-image in the h-entry
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aaronpk
u-photo*
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sandro
Have we seen a nice tool to make that image be a nice graphic of the key bit of the page, eg for a blog post? That seems not-too-hard.
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kylewm
aaronpk: sandro: u-featured has also been proposed http://indiewebcamp.com/link-preview#u-featured
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aaronpk
ah yeah
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aaronpk
if thet author wants to make it explicit
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kylewm
waht's a good place on the wiki to collect suggestions like "hey you should do an interview with redecentralize.org or XYZ podcast?"
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gRegor`
'you' being any indieweb person?
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gRegor`
/interview_requests maybe, but that's pretty specific.
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gRegor`
/media_requests? Sounds pretty formal
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kylewm
\/outreach?
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gRegor`
That sounds good
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tantek
welcome sandro!
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sandro
waves to tantek from meeting
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sandro
hopes tantek saw email from evan and can join socweb prep meeting before wg meeting tomorrow
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tantek
oh no I didn't - thanks for the heads-up
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tantek
chairs call at 9 then?
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sandro
9 pacific time, yes
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tantek
sandro - aside: not sure you saw but I posted SWAT0 in lossless retweetable tweet summary form, POSSE copy even, including permalinkcitation: https://twitter.com/t/status/560921112767242241
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@t
SWAT0 A posts+tags mobile photo of B B photo notified C(follows A) sees it; replies A&B comment notified Prev: http://tantek.com/2015/029/t1/swat0-posts-tags-mobile-photo-comment
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tantek
(originally looks better than IRC summary, since it includes key line-breaks :) )
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tantek
wonders when Social Web WG comms will be posted on the social web.
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millette
we should take that up with the co-chairs
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Loqi
definitely
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tantek.com
created /email-list (+24) "r"
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tantek
millette - so true. Here's my contribution so far: http://indiewebcamp.com/email_list#POSSE_to_an_email_list
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aaronpk
what is the social web?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "social web" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=social+web
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tantek
touché
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tantek
oh wait I have a citation for that
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millette
"URL you can curl" - does that exclude client js sites?
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kylewm.com
created /outreach (+581) "stub a page with redecentralize suggestion"
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bret
yes... unless the single page application builds in a way to deliver the data in a way that curl can handle
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bret
(but mostly unreliable)
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kylewm
speaking of "After twenty years of service I'm pleased to announce a complete rewrite of wiki as a single page application with a distributed database which will last us for at least 20 years, maybe 200. " http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiWikiSystemNotice
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millette
kylewm, thanks for the edit
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millette
single page app = client js, unfortunately
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aaronpk
wait what... ward is moving the whole c2.com wiki to fedwiki?
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kylewm
"The best parts will migrate into the federated wiki and the rest frozen or discarded."
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kylewm
c2.fed.wiki.org/view/migrating-wiki
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kylewm
bonkers right?
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millette
aaronpk, accoring the front page, yes http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FrontPage "Please read WikiWikiSystemNotice for the latest information regarding the operation of this site."
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tantek
millette you can pretty much treat client js sites as if they don't exist, they're typically gone/broken in < 1 yr.
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millette
shattering :-(
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tantek
and when client js sites disappear - they're gone gone gone - no meaningful archive.org presence, because there's no server for all that eager / lazy XHR to go get anything from, no database to query, etc.
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tantek
"We've recently endured abuse that has moved our conversion date forward" <-- WTF? what was the abuse? anyone know?
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bret
tantek: not sure, but maybe the hacker news comments?
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bret
made it to front page recently
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tantek.com
created /social_web (+706) "stub with dfn, related dfn, see also"
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tantek.com
edited /Federated_Social_Web (+17) "/* See Also */ social web"
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tantek
what is the social web?
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Loqi
The social web refers to the subset of the web that has social content, that is, content, like posts, which has obvious visible authorship (even if pseudonymous), and mentions other people or other social web content, via URL reference, not just name https://indiewebcamp.com/social_web
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tantek
bret, ouch: " The panels popping up seemingly infinitely into the right side of the screen (every click makes a new panel) is unfamiliar and doesn't seem to provide a compelling value over giving the content a valuable piece of center page real estate. It feels like it is too proud of its cleverness, and that detracts from its value."
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aaronpk
heh "Javascript pages are the 'Flash site' of the 2010s and I can't wait until it's similarly consigned to its rightful place in the dustbin of history."
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tantek
(kinda have to agree)
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tantek
aaronpk wow that's a great quote
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tantek
and this is the I told you so: "The new wiki is doomed by design, because content can not be found by Google or any other search engine. And a wiki where the content can not be found is for the trashcan."
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millette
returns to his dhtml app
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kylewm
millette++
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Loqi
millette has 3 karma
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millette
I split my website in two: admin is full javascript (and a wiki), but publishing is plain html (sits in couchdb)
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aaronpk
admin stuff as a js app is totally fine, cause it's actually an app...
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aaronpk
and it doesn't need permalinks, etc
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millette
aaronpk, exactly my thought
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@dkreuz
@srhnsn GitHub is a silo. I will publish it on my site. Maybe I will #POSSE it to GitHub later ;) #yoyod #indieweb
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gRegor`
What is DHTML?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "DHTML" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=DHTML
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aaronpk
I remember debating whether I should learn DHTML
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tantek
lolol
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tantek
" Holy SEO Fail Batman... Google only returning ~ 19 pages ( site:c2.fed.wiki.org * ) vs. 80K from c2.com" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8984485
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gRegor`
Related: http://dhtmlconf.com/
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aaronpk
omg that thread is getting ridiculously long
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gRegor`
jennschiffer++
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Loqi
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gregorlove.com
created /DHTML (+68) "stub"
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gRegor`
what is DHTML?
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Loqi
DHTML is just JavaScript and HTML https://indiewebcamp.com/DHTML
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gRegor`
:)
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tantek
and the DOM
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aaronpk
welcome pdxleif!
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aaronpk
what are comments?
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Loqi
A comment is a kind of post that is in reply to some other post, that makes little or no sense without reading or at least knowing the context of the source post https://indiewebcamp.com/comments
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tantek.com
edited /DHTML (+147) "expand dfn"
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bigbluehat
millette++ for using CouchDB ^_^
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Loqi
millette has 4 karma
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aaronpk
well that's an odd +1
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aaronpk
that post is 2 years old
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fiatjaf
millette, do you use CouchDB for what?
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millette
because someone has to!
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bigbluehat
awecomone! ;)
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millette
I use it to build/host websites mostly,
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bigbluehat
it's good for other stuff to...like data
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millette
and recently starting using pouchdb too to make offline stuff.
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bigbluehat
couple it with pouchdb.com and you might just change how you build apps
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bigbluehat
there yah go :)
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millette
bigbluehat, exactly, http://robin.millette.info/ is my public site (plain html) and http://admin.robin.millette.info/ is backed by pouchdb, mostly js client stuff, and it works offline too.
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bigbluehat
super nice!
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bigbluehat
I'm working on a PouchDB + CouchDB-based CMS (rewrite) at http://github.com/bigbluehat/blueink
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bigbluehat
if you're bored ;)
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millette
I haven't put much indieweb stuff into it yet, but that's my first priority now.
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millette
oh, and releasing my sources, too.
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bigbluehat
cool stuff!
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millette
bigbluehat++ for blueink - great ideas in there :-)
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Loqi
bigbluehat has 2 karma
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bigbluehat
tnx! ^_^
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bigbluehat
lots more en route
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bigbluehat
mostly around editing and page management
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bigbluehat
if you want to see what I'm porting, check out http://demo.blueinkcms.com/
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millette
we should take this to #indiechat (offtopic)
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bigbluehat
works for me
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millette
unless blueink is indiewebbified ;-)
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Loqi
agreed.
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kylewm
on topic, IMO
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fiatjaf
that is awesome.
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GWG
I'm thinking of creating post type for snow
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GWG
There will be many snow type posts
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tantek
aaronpk, in addition to "created" and "edited" wiki pages metrics (top 10 per week), perhaps consider the "prompted"
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tantek
as in, when someone asks "what is …" which is then followed within 24hrs by the creation of that wiki page
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tantek
that someone should get credit for "prompting"
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tantek
top 10 prompters per week would be hilarious
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tantek
if you self-prompt, you only get credit for the creating, not the prompting
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aaronpk
i'm gonna have to parse irc logs to figure that out huh
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tantek
hmm does referer help?
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aaronpk
i don't get referer in the wiki edit history
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tantek
what is stringly typed?
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aaronpk
luckily the entire IRC log for the week can be parsed with only 7 http requests
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "stringly typed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=stringly+typed
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tantek
It looks like we don't have a page for "stringly typed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=stringly+typed&utm_prompter=tantek
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tantek
>:D utm_prompter
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aaronpk
oh jeez
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aaronpk
so if people don't cheat and don't remove the summary it would show up in the wiki edit
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tantek
could even include a permalink to the "what is" in the logs
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aaronpk
oh crap except Loqi doesn't know what the permalink is at that point
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aaronpk
maybe he does... let me check
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tantek
prompted+by+tantek[indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-02#…]
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tantek
permalink of the "what is.." statement
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tantek
not Loqi's prompting (It looks like)
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Loqi
who, me?
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aaronpk
oh hey he does know the permalink because it's based off of the timestamp
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aaronpk
what is stringly typed?
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kylewm
what is tanteking?
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Loqi
Tantek-ing is a method of encouraging people to contribute to the wiki by indirectly prompting the person who first mentioned the term to create a short wiki dfn page for it https://indiewebcamp.com/tanteking
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aaronpk
well at the very least now new wiki pages from IRC prompts will link back to the IRC convo!
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tantek
as long as the trailing ")" is not autolinked, or indiewebcamp's IRC logs know to ignore a trailing paren and redirect
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aaronpk
well the whole thing is url encoded in the irc logs
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aaronpk
it's the wiki that has to know not to autolink the )
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aaronpk
in recentchanges
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kylewm
do the logs use cassis to autolink?
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aaronpk
i dont' remember
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@adamprocter
Can anyone join gophers slack?making inline comment thing on a #golang #markdown static blog possibly with mysql/webmentions… looking 4 help
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KevinMarks_
GWG++ for snowclone joke
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Loqi
GWG has 62 karma