#indiewebcamp 2015-02-03

2015-02-03 UTC
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GWG It is seriously miserable out there
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aaronpk nice and sunny in pdx :)
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KevinMarks_ there are precedents for weather reporting posst - usually by hashtag
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KevinMarks_ eg #uksnow
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KevinMarks_ collated at http://uksnowmap.com/
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GWG KevinMarks_: As I mentioned yesterday, no microformat for it
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KevinMarks_ well, first gather evidence
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GWG http://indiewebcamp.com/weather
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GWG I'm working on it
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GWG I'm new at that.
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KevinMarks_ I was about to say wunderground...
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GWG But my internet connected thermometer will arrive in 2-13 days
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GWG And it supports upload to wunderground, among other things
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GWG But that is a weather silo of sorts
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GWG Admittedly, you derive value in the sense that they add forecast and crowd source, but that could also be indiewebbed
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kevinmarks.com edited /weather (+423) "/* Brainstorming */ add #uksnow" (view diff)
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GWG Be right back. Must shovel
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GWG If I'm not back soon, send out a search party
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KevinMarks_ note that even the Uk met office uses #uksnow: https://twitter.com/metoffice
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tallpaul weather data collection is kinda big in the ham radio/packet scene
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tallpaul and it gets gated to the internet from there
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KevinMarks_ got examples of publishing it?
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tallpaul not off the top of my head
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kevinmarks.com edited /weather (+115) "/* silo examples */" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com edited /weather (-268) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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GWG Okay.
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GWG More to come
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benwerd Is anyone proposing any IndieWeb sessions at OSCON this year?
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GWG I need a push.
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KevinMarks_ seems liek a good idea
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KevinMarks_ why is making a grid of images still such a pain?
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GWG I don't know. What are you trying to do?
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KevinMarks_ http://svgur.com/ homepage I want a grid of recent uploads
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GWG Ok
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Loqi gives KevinMarks_ a grid of recent uploads
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KevinMarks_ that uses square grid, fits images within, and varies the # of grid rows depending on screen size
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KevinMarks_ currently cheating with 15em image width
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KevinMarks_ I think I'm going to have to do responsive breaks to make them actually subdivisions of screen width
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GWG I don't quite get responsive design
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benwerd KevinMarks_: percentage widths with media queries that change the percentage based on window resolution? (Maybe?)
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benwerd But then you can't guarantee square
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KevinMarks_ I can have breakpoints for 1 - n images
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KevinMarks_ hm,I need to upload some very tall svg's don't
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millette KevinMarks_, perhaps http://salvattore.com/
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kylewm KevinMarks_: does svgur convert to png?
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millette I tend to do everything with bootstrap nowadays, http://getbootstrap.com/components/#thumbnails works quite well.
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GWG I am trying to do without bootstrap
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KevinMarks_ not quite yet kylewm
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KevinMarks_ thats aprt of the plan, and I have some client-side ways to do it
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KevinMarks_ ah, yes, that EMpire sate image broke my grid: http://svgur.com/
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kylewm would someone with micropub support try logging into reader.kylewm.com?
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kylewm when I try it with my withknown account, I get an empty response from the token endpoint :(
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GWG Anyone have advice, speaking of KevinMarks_ problem, on a good responsive methodology that isn't bootstrap?
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kylewm GWG: you just mean a grid that isn't bootstrap?
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kylewm I like this one personally http://www.responsivegridsystem.com/
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GWG Basically yes
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GWG Trying to learn about my options
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millette GWG, http://foundation.zurb.com/ is popular, yahoo's got http://purecss.io/grids/ and I learned with http://susy.oddbird.net/
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millette next I want to give http://salvattore.com/ a spin
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kylewm Foundation is basically just as big as Bootstrap right?
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millette kylewm, I think, so called frameworks
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GWG I'm looking for small
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kylewm getskeleton.com is sort of in between
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kylewm grid + basic styling
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GWG I don't want any styling
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millette susy and salvattore
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GWG The Responsive Grid looks simple enough
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tantek GWG, now there's an interesting challenge for the indieweb-set - a small / minimal style "framework" or at least starter style shet..
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aaronpk kylewm: I got this logging in too: "Warning: bad response from token endpoint:"
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tantek s/shet/sheet
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Loqi tantek meant to say: GWG, now there's an interesting challenge for the indieweb-set - a small / minimal style "framework" or at least starter style sheet..
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GWG tantek: What that might include is a good question.
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tantek GWG, I'll let you know when I've built something I think deserves to be put forth for that challenge.
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GWG tantek: You know I am a follower of your work.
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kylewm aaronpk, I got from tokens.indieauth.com -- Message: Undefined index: state
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kylewm File: /web/sites/tokens.indieauth.com/controllers/controller.php
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kylewm Line: 43
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tantek GWG, well so far all I have is a fairly decent undohtml.css (evolved over the many years) http://tantek.com/2015/undohtml.css
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aaronpk oh crap
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aaronpk well if you include a state param that should go away
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kylewm is that a clue to what i am missing?
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Loqi lolz
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aaronpk you should include a state regardless, but tokens.indieauth.com shuold not be showing that error if you don't include it
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Loqi I agree
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tantek GWG, and a very much *in progress" elemental foundation: http://tantek.com/2015/elementica.css
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GWG How would something work for Indieweb though, I wonder
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tantek GWG, well I also have a "simple.css" that builds on those two, but it's too in progress to be worth anyone else trying to build on
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tantek mixing use of classic microformats and microformtas2 classes for styling, and other classes
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tantek but it would likely mostly confuse / waste anyone's time
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tantek GWG, you're welcome to use undohtml.css and elementica.css and ask any questions about them.
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millette tantek, undohtml is like http://necolas.github.io/normalize.css/ right?
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pwcc Back in the day I build http://minimumpage.com/ for styles - no grid tho.
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pwcc Are you a sass user GWG?
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tantek millette - funny you should ask it that way ;) http://tantek.com/log/2004/09.html#d06t2354
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tantek millette - I think normalize has a different (more comprehensive) goal
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millette ah :-) and normalize comes after reset.css
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tantek millette: right, and if you scroll down to the comments on that post you'll see a reply from Eric Meyer
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aaronpk kylewm: i fixed the token endpoint
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aaronpk now I get "Login error: authorization failed. invalid_request: The 'state' parameter did not match"
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kylewm oops
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aaronpk that also might be my fault though
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kylewm try again?
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kylewm no it was my fault
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aaronpk i never tested this with a blank state
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aaronpk yay it worked
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aaronpk whoa fancy
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GWG pwcc: I am now
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kylewm i tried to include "state=" instead of just not having it at all
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kylewm and that gave the "did not match" error, so i dunno
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kylewm thank you for testing it!
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pwcc GWG: A mate built this as a light-weight grid. Removes the need for a tonne of unused classes https://github.com/AaronRutley/minimal-grid
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aaronpk kylewm: not sure if kylewm.com posts aren't pulled in yet or if tantek just posts a ton
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kylewm the missing state parameter seems to be what was confusing Known too
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tantek oops wat
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aaronpk well to be fair, the reader is rendering each "like" individually
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aaronpk undoing all the fancy clustering tantek did
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kylewm haha
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aaronpk which means it parsed correctly
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kylewm you're not seeing posts from me?
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aaronpk so there's that
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aaronpk oh now theyre there!
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kylewm oh yeah you have to refresh if it's a new feed
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kylewm tantek.com would've had posts already since i subscribe to him :)
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aaronpk ah!
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aaronpk i was impressed how quickly those appeared
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aaronpk also wow at all the indie conversations happening right now not on twitter
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aaronpk this is great
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tantek the clustering can be done purely by the semantics from the microformats
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aaronpk wow using a reader, even this rudimentary (no offense) is making my reader wish list grow quickly
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aaronpk kylewm: can you set your client_id to "reader.kylewm.com" for indieauth, and then add x-h-app markup to your reader logged-out home page?
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kylewm aaronpk: none taken, the readme calls it "A minimum viable stream-style feed reader."
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kylewm yeah totally
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aaronpk kylewm: i tried using the "reply" form, it did actualy create a post on my site, but the reader said there was an error
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aaronpk "Failure"
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kylewm it returns success if the endpoint replies with 200
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kylewm should it i bet you return 201 huh
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kylewm s/should it//
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Loqi kylewm meant to say:  i bet you return 201 huh
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aaronpk yeah 201 and a Location header http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Create
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aaronpk once you add the client_id as your app's URL, my site should credit posts from the reader as "posted via reader.kylewm.com"
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aaronpk also indieauth.com will show your app name and icon on the auth screen
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kylewm holla
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tantek in having quickly skimmed https://github.com/necolas/normalize.css/blob/master/normalize.css I must say - it doesn't suck, and there's plenty of good ideas in there.
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aaronpk rwar I wanna start building my reader
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GWG tantek: That is what I'm using now
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tantek GWG, great, then stick with it if it's working for you.
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aaronpk man this reader stuff is exciting! it's finally closing the loop on this whole thing
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tantek aaronpk - yes indeed
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tantek what is edit?
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Loqi An edit (AKA diff, change) is a special type of reply that indicates a set of suggested changes to the post it is replying to. A collection of (presumably related) suggested edits in open source is often called a patch or pull request https://indiewebcamp.com/edit
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tantek views source on https://kylewm.com/2015/02/edit-of-a-href-http-tantek-com-2015-033-t1-disable
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tantek class="u-edit-of" - seems like a reasonable start
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aaronpk doesn't view source anymore, just views the mf2-parsed result in json
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkylewm.com%2F2015%2F02%2Fedit-of-a-href-http-tantek-com-2015-033-t1-disable
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pwcc +1 normalize.css, I find it much easier than reset+base. Perhaps it needs an opinionated add-on for some things but it's a good start.
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GWG pwcc: normalize just went standard for _s.
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tantek aaronpk - I view the source to see patterns and semantics beyond the explicit microformats
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tantek GWG what is _s ?
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aaronpk I just assume everyone is authoring perfect microformats ;)
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tantek but microformats are deliberately limited and minimal
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tantek so I look for what people are trying to express beyond them
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tantek aaronpk, e.g. inside class="e-diff"
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GWG Underscores.me
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tantek class="codehilite" ?
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tantek and gu gd gi
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tantek gd - delete, gi - insert
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tantek some sort of range syntax? <span class="gu">@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@</span>
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tantek the challenge here is that ideally I should be able to say "approve" (or whatever one does to "moderate") edit posts and have them automaticaly update my post!
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tantek which requires parseability of the edits
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tantek accepting an edit post should be no harder than (hopefully easier than) accepting a pull request
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aaronpk that is a pretty well-standardized diff format, you probably even have a tool on your server and laptop that can parser it
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kylewm aaronpk: does the client_id need to have http:// ?
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aaronpk s/parser/parse
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: that is a pretty well-standardized diff format, you probably even have a tool on your server and laptop that can parse it
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tantek aaronpk - yet it's pretty ugly compared to the media wiki diff
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tantek it's a diff presentation that only developers enjoy, if that
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aaronpk kylewm: yes it should
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aaronpk i guess I don't really see the benefit of trying to recreate a diff format right now
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kylewm i need a new logo, but it looks ok for now
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kylewm i mean -- the markup seems to be working
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kylewm the logo looks terrible :)
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aaronpk kylewm: you need a logout link so I can try again
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tantek aaronpk - not talking about format - that's the problem
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tantek aaronpk - I'm talking about diff presentation
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tantek what an edit post *looks like*
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kylewm aaronpk: true, for now you can use /login to log in again
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aaronpk I find github's presentation to be pretty much ideal
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tantek and besides that "pretty well-standardized diff format" only really works on plain text (or the code view of markup)
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tantek aaronpk - nah, even github's is noisy
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aaronpk really? this seems pretty clean to me http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/github-diff-20150202-194239.png
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tantek aaronpk it doesn't to me because the lines look duplicated
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tantek especially if you're red/green colorblind
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tantek you can trivially do better
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tantek e.g. no duplicate text
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tantek just green higlight what's added
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tantek presto - shorter, less noisy
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aaronpk what if stuff is removed?
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kylewm harder to generalize
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aaronpk or if a line completely changes?
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tantek and <ins> and <del> take care of it
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tantek falling into the trap of making the simple thing look ugly just to handle the complex thing
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tantek really bad way to do design
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tantek and yet devs like that methodology
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aaronpk goes back to musing on readers since that is a higher priority at the moment
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tantek aaronpk, it's all your fault for making kylewm post an edit post. now I'm distracted by analyzing it. :P
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aaronpk well at least there's an example in the wild now!
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tantek working on it!
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tantek (and yes that *is* how we make progress)
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tantek aaronpk - somewhat related - what is the micropub protocol for updating a post?
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tantek and how is Loqi not looking for that?
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aaronpk right now we only have examples of adding info to a post http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Updating_Objects
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aaronpk i think loqi's matcher looks for "what is" at the beginning of a line
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aaronpk but I believe ben_thatmustbeme has actually implemented updates
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tantek but aaronpk what is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels https://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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tantek (not just beginning)
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aaronpk whaaaaa
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tantek oh yeah we've been having fun with that for a while
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aaronpk if only all irc channels had a wii
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aaronpk wiki
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tantek and here I was thinking the other way around :)
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GWG tantek: I stepped away. Did the Underscores answer satisfy?
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tantek.com edited /edit (+1413) "add explicit use case Quick Typos Fixes From Friends, add more use-case reasoning, indieweb examples with kylewm since we have one now" (view diff)
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emmak kylewm: i am having trouble logging back in to woodwind
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emmak kylewm: i see "Warning: bad response from token endpoint:", and if i inspect the source there is an invisible element that says <response [400]>
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tantek.com edited /posts (+11) "/* Kinds of Posts */ edit" (view diff)
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tantek darn it I'm finding myself wanting to quote the entirety of a tweet I'm faving
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tantek "liking"
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tantek quoting the entirety of a like/favorite feels like a repost
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/quotation#repost
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aaronpk i agree, if you *want* to quote the entirety of a tweet then it is a repost
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aaronpk my "like" posts happen to display the full contents of the thing I am liking, which is subtely different
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aaronpk if you are struggling with not wanting that "like" to be a "repost" then I am curious about the distinction between your intent of liking something vs reposting it
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tantek nah - if I want to quote the whole thing then I need to implement repost
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tantek I'm not a fan of like posts displaying the full contents by default
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tantek I'd prefer some form of progressive disclosure, or popup, only as a reader shortcut to clicking the link to the liked thing.
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk twitter shows the full contents of the things you've favorited https://twitter.com/t/favorites
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aaronpk i don't even know if facebook has something similar
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tantek I think that's only because they've been lazy about that page design.
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tantek e.g. Flickr shows mini thumbnails
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tantek they do - the right sidebar
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tantek I'm going with the - use the first sentence of a tweet as its virtual title
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aaronpk flickr also shows the full contents of the thing I favorited https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/favorites
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pwcc For the sake of <140, seeing everything you like isn't too bad. That of course falls over whne you like an article - but they have a tilte
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tantek aaronpk - no those are thumbnails
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tantek bigger but still
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tantek sigh, Flickr no longer works w/o JS :/
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tantek also Adobe security notices don't work w/o JS https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsa15-02.html
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aaronpk hmm interesting point
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aaronpk they are just very large thumbnails
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tantek yeah
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tantek they used to be small square thumbnails
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tantek that worked w/o JS
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tantek aaronpk here's what I ended up doing: http://tantek.com/2015/033/f2
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kylewm emmak: could you try one more time? I think I'm zeroing in on it
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aaronpk interesting
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tantek in this case the intention is the liking
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aaronpk i think there is a difference between the markup/presentation an author creates vs how it is displayed in a reader
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tantek the synthesized "title" of the tweet is merely there as a reminder of what was it that I liked / why
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aaronpk so i'm imagining seeing that post in my reader along with the rest of the things in my reader
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aaronpk so I'm planning on handling the case when two people have liked the same post
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tantek nice
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tantek the IG example has that
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emmak kylewm: i am getting the same bad response error
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tantek aaronpk - see second example in this screenshot: http://indiewebcamp.com/like#Instagram_followings_activity
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aaronpk yup. i'm excited and simultaneously dreading that part of bulding my reader :)
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kylewm emmak: in getting "missing required parameter state"... state is provided but blank, I think
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kylewm I'm*
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emmak looking up indieauth documentation...
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kylewm maybe /token_endpoint documentation
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emmak where is that?
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kylewm http://indiewebcamp.com/token_endpoint
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emmak i don't remember what state is used for
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emmak i wonder why it worked the first time?
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emmak was state set then?
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emmak or maybe it just didn't check whether it actually got a token?
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emmak i removed the check for empty state, and can log in now, but the like button is still failing
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kylewm emmak: it didn't actually get as far as trying to get an access token last time, I don't think
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kylewm so, i'm glad it got farther this time!
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emmak i can see access tokens were issued both the first time i tried to log in and just now
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kylewm oh huh, the difference before was the state parameter would not hvae been there at all
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kylewm but client_id was blank...because i'm dumb
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@itemizer @Gh0sTGL @DigitalHitler @Natrualists @430GB @GodlyGalaxy @t mozilla , CoFounder Of Indieweb lol ur crazy bro (twitter.com/_/status/562501163288100864)
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Kevinmarksweb I've found https://github.com/aaronsw/htmldiff useful for diffs
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tantek wat
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kylewm tantek: you saw that that dude was talking about "jacking" your twitter account right?
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@erikpischel Dezentrales Netz #hosting #indieweb http://www.epischel.de/wordpress/2015/02/dezentrales-netz/ https://indiewebcamp.com/ http://schmalenstroer.net/blog/2015/01/das-dezentrale-netz-ein-zwischenbericht/ (twitter.com/_/status/562521666144591873)
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@stonesoupktchen RT @ricksmithbooks: Publish your printed book on Amazon with this step-by-step guide. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RPP01H0 (twitter.com/_/status/562527949396533248)
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@stonesoupktchen RT @ricksmithbooks: Learn how to publish your PAPERBACK with CreateSpace on Amazon. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RPP01H0 (twitter.com/_/status/562528431301087232)
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KevinMarks_ wow, this whole grid of pictures thing is remarkably annoying.
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KartikPrabhu Kevinmarks_ unless all your images are of the same size or tailored to have particular aspect ratio, getting a grid is almost futile
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KevinMarks_ why though?
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KevinMarks_ who thought that this was a use case that didn't need expressing?
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KevinMarks_ doI ned to do this with background-image and cover or some such crap?
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KartikPrabhu yeah. background image styles like cotain/cover do work. or else use JS to tweak the layout for the respective pictures
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KevinMarks_ I can write this positioning code in 6 lines in any programming language, but doing it declaratively in CSS is basically impossible
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KartikPrabhu unless we get element-queries in CSS this might not be possible with some simple CSS
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KevinMarks_ hm
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KevinMarks_ ponders a grid of iframes and responsive pages in them
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KartikPrabhu oh boy
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KevinMarks_ I have done that before http://pageaspreview.herokuapp.com/
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KartikPrabhu yeah I have seen this
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KevinMarks_ though the site doing ti to itself is a bit weird
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KevinMarks_ and probably evil in terms of browser memory
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KevinMarks_ hm. http://svgur.com/ now works though I just ended up using float
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KartikPrabhu1 float works but gives you an uneven grid
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KevinMarks_ maybe I should just use Masonry
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pfefferle good morning indieweb
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KevinMarks_ morning pfefferle
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@gettrimmin RT @ricksmithbooks: Publish your printed book on Amazon with this step-by-step guide. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RPP01H0 (twitter.com/_/status/562554841025638400)
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@gettrimmin RT @ricksmithbooks: Learn how to publish your PAPERBACK with CreateSpace on Amazon. #selfpub #IndieAuth http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00RPP01H0 (twitter.com/_/status/562555298770984960)
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GWG Good morning
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pfefferle GWG good morning
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GWG Morning, pfefferle.
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thehighfiveghost Hi All
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GWG Morning, thehighfiveghost
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thehighfiveghost So, I'm trying to get Ethereum involved with Indywebcamp.
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thehighfiveghost (In the UK)
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GWG pfefferle: By the way, what should I do about the PR?
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GWG thehighfiveghost: What is Ethereum?
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Loqi Ethereum is a project that implements a bitcoin/cryptocurrency like block chain used for sending around "contracts" https://indiewebcamp.com/Ethereum
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thehighfiveghost What is the next step?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "next step" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=next+step&summary=%28prompted+by+thehighfiveghost+https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-03/line/1422967488934%29
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pfefferle GWG thanks for the work, will have a look at the commits and merge it by hand
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thehighfiveghost We're currently redoing our website, so I'll point you to the Wiki and GitHub pages.
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pfefferle GWG I am not sure if I can do it before weekend thou..
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thehighfiveghost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethereum
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thehighfiveghost https://github.com/ethereum
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thehighfiveghost It's effectively a P2P publishing platform based on blockchain tech.
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GWG pfefferle: I'm going to go look at branching more effectively next time I send a PR also.
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pfefferle GWG ;)
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GWG thehighfiveghost: Interesting
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pfefferle GWG I also have to look at https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/pull/41
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thehighfiveghost Some friends have recommended we get Ethereum involved in indywebcamp - what is the next step for me to take?
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GWG pfefferle: I did actually.
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GWG thehighfiveghost: What involvement are you thinking? You can have the project support webmentions
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GWG pfefferle: pwcc seems to have thought it out.
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pfefferle GWG sure, but I miss some options to en/disable the feature… And I want to understand the code I merge ;)
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GWG pfefferle: There is no rush. I think the whitelist code works the way it should. The settings code does. The bulk conversion...I sent a gist with an alternate proposal.
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GWG pfefferle: I think I figured it out.
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pfefferle GWG I meant the webmention code
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thehighfiveghost We'd love to have a presence at the 2015/Cambridge: 2015-03-19 and 2015-03-20 event.
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pfefferle GWG I had a very deep look at your code ;)
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GWG pfefferle: I have to look at it again too. I did when it came up.
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GWG pfefferle++
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GWG thehighfiveghost: Do you ave anyone in the Cambridge area?
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thehighfiveghost We have Dev hubs in London, Berlin and Amsterdam
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GWG pfefferle: I was thinking of his code and mine at the same time.
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thehighfiveghost and a few people in SF
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GWG thehighfiveghost: This is Cambridge, Massachusetts
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thehighfiveghost OHHHH
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GWG Near Boston.
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thehighfiveghost Right.
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thehighfiveghost So Edinburgh in Scotland would be a bit easier.
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thehighfiveghost Berlin is perfect.
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GWG pfefferle: I apologize for any ill effects of your deep dive.
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GWG thehighfiveghost: I'm not sure I'll be there for that
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thehighfiveghost Is there an email address I can use?
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GWG pfefferle: Decompression sickness
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GWG thehighfiveghost: For?
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thehighfiveghost for the organisers?
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GWG thehighfiveghost: It should be on the wiki
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pfefferle GWG :D
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GWG thehighfiveghost: You might have to follow the organizer to their website
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GWG pfefferle: Re options/settings for Webmention, the code I set up for Semantic Linkback to add options to the Discussion page, rather than adding a new page, would work for enabling/disabling pwcc's feature.
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GWG pfefferle: It has checkboxes.
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pfefferle GWG yes, I am aware… :)
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GWG pfefferle: I was going to propose more features and try to implement them, but I figured I gave you enough to process.
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pfefferle GWG I only want to understand why he has doing it like he does… there seems to be some easier functions…
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pfefferle GWG yes, enough for now :D
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GWG pfefferle: Specifically the wp_hash or something else?
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davidpeach Mr David Shanske, are you there sir?
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Loqi davidpeach: kylewm left you a message 3 weeks, 3 days ago: for maps I have been really happy with aaronpk's tool for generating static map images https://github.com/esripdx/Static-Maps-API-PHP
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GWG davidpeach: What can I do for you?
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pfefferle GWG http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Nonces
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davidpeach Loqi: sorry didnt see message.
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Loqi dude
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davidpeach Loqi: where would the message have been sent to?
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cweiske davidpeach, Loqi is a bot
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davidpeach GWG: Thanks for your email reply.
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davidpeach GWG: My edit to SNAP plugin for WordPress has been included in latest version 3.4.10 - If the response['url'] has a twitter url in it, it will post it to twitter AS a reply.
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davidpeach cweiske : oh thanks. im a total noob
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GWG davidpeach: Do you have a reference for that I can include in the plugin?
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GWG Something I can link to? Changelog?
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davidpeach GWG: I will write one up for you tonight when I get home if you like?
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davidpeach oh changleog
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davidpeach just a sec
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davidpeach GWG : https://wordpress.org/plugins/social-networks-auto-poster-facebook-twitter-g/changelog/
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davidpeach 3.4.10 [02/02/2015]
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Loqi !calc 3.4.10 [02/02/2015]
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davidpeach GWG: 3.4.10 [02/02/2015] changes
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GWG pfefferle: I thought that I saw some comment about nonces and session ID.
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GWG davidpeach: Not really descriptive though.
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GWG davidpeach: At least enough to link to.
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davidpeach GWG: I will write up something tonight on indiewebcamp and send you link
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davidpeach GWG: Are you planning to work on your simple-location plugin anytime soon? I only ask because I have been using my own : https://github.com/davidpeach/wordpress-indieweb-checkin , and was going to fork yours and include it in there.
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GWG davidpeach: Not sure if I would be continuing in the near future. But if you want to use the code...the goal was to use the WordPress geodata format so it would be compatible with other plugins and the HTML5 geolocation API to store the data.
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GWG If you are itching to work on it, I would be happy to contribute anything I do with it in the future to your plugin.
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davidpeach GWG: Okay brill. I'll go ahead. I wasn't aware of any WordPress geodata format until I saw yours so I will make sure it ties in. Thanks.
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GWG davidpeach: http://codex.wordpress.org/Geodata
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davidpeach GWG: Thanks! Would you recommend getting the address from the lat lng via an API, or allow user just to type it in manually? I'm thinking manually.
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GWG davidpeach: SNAP doesn't explain the feature anywhere, only this in their code... https://github.com/wp-plugins/social-networks-auto-poster-facebook-twitter-g/blob/master/inc-cl/tw.php#L358
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GWG davidpeach: I set it up manually. But I was going to add a filter to allow for APIs
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davidpeach GWG: I will write up the feature. I have it working on my own site. It's an automatic thing when sharing a reply to facebook with the URL field filling in.
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GWG davidpeach: I understand. I was more commenting that they note a feature in the changelog but don't have anything I can find in the plugin or their help section telling people how to use it.
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GWG davidpeach: Just send me a link and I'll add it into the readme.
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GWG davidpeach: Motivation to get around to adding Post Kinds to the WordPress.org repository though
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GWG davidpeach: There is a problem with the implementation though.
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pfefferle GWG davidpeach https://wordpress.org/support/plugin/geolocation
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GWG pfefferle: It didn't do what I wanted and isn't being maintained to have it
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pfefferle But it supports the geodata of the mobile app
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GWG davidpeach: SNAP does declare a reply if there is a URL in the meta field....but what if it is supposed to be a favorite/like?
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GWG pfefferle: Yes.
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GWG davidpeach: Are you using Taxonomy or Post Kinds?
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davidpeach GWG : Taxonomy. I tried swapping for post kinds the other night but none of my posts showed up. Didn't have time to look at it so I stayed with Taxonomy. Will be moving over.
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GWG davidpeach: Tell me if you need help.
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds
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GWG Also, you can file any issues or suggestions at the repository.
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GWG I'm trying to keep track of my plans thee
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davidpeach GWG: okay great stuff. I'll probably move to post kinds tonight.
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GWG davidpeach: I'm assuming this one would interest you? https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/issues/8
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davidpeach GWG: ill take a look at that SNAP plugin also - about only sending reply if reply 'kind' is selected perhaps.
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GWG davidpeach: Keep me posted.
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GWG davidpeach: You did just inspire me to make a list of things I want to do
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GWG davidpeach: Did you put the function name for the response into your theme or use the automatic filter?
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GWG davidpeach: I had to make some changes around that.
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davidpeach GWG: possibly in my theme - I'll have to check tonight.
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GWG Pfefferle, can I ask your advice? knowing that you are busy?
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GWG Pfefferle, I am thinking that I should send Post Kinds to the Wordpress.org repository, but I am trying to figure out what needs to be fixed before it is ready for that
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davidpeach GWG : would you mind if I had a go at adding in checkin kind in post kinds when I get a chance?
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pfefferle GWG looks good to me… perhaps you can add some more doku to the settings page…
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GWG davidpeach: Always happy to get help
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GWG Pfefferle, good idea for all things
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davidpeach I'm really syked to get home and work on stuff.
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jancborchardt heya – designers or design-interested-devs, please join #opensourcedesign
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all, reading back through logs
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell aaronpk, tantek yes I did set up updating of posts, though i don't think anyone has tested it yet.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm !tell aaronpk I'm getting the error "The 'state' parameter did not match" from tokens.indieauth.com using state= in both requests
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 1 hour, 5 minutes ago: yes I did set up updating of posts, though i don't think anyone has tested it yet.
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Loqi aaronpk: kylewm left you a message 12 minutes ago: I'm getting the error "The 'state' parameter did not match" from tokens.indieauth.com using state= in both requests
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ben_thatmustbeme morning
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aaronpk kylewm: can you try again?
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aaronpk oops one sec
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aaronpk there we go
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kylewm aaronpk: got the same error
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aaronpk hmmmm
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aaronpk you know, the state parameter is pretty much required in order for oauth to be secure
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kylewm oh really? tell me more
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aaronpk http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749#section-10.12
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aaronpk kylewm: can you try it again? I just tested this change locally
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kylewm so just using the state parameter isn't enough, it actually has to have some kind of verifiable token
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kylewm aaronpk: it looks like it worked that time
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kylewm aaronpk: when we were doing state= parameter stuff with bridgy you suggested JWT encoding the value; is this the reason?
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aaronpk sorta
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aaronpk using a JWT-encoded value that stores your own session state has the same effect (esp if you throw in a timestamp)
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aaronpk the reason I was suggesting it for bridgy though was to avoid the need for a server-side session
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kylewm ok, thanks. TODO understand this and implement it in flask-micropub
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kylewm (and with bridgy we just urlencoded the json string to avoid the server-side session, but i'm gathering that that is vulnerable to attacks)
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aaronpk the reason I suggested JWT is that it has a signature
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aaronpk so only your server would be able to create a valid JWT string
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kylewm ah yeah
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kylewm maybe not a big deal since bridgy doesn't actually have any login information for users
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aaronpk i'd have to review what it's doing to know
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gRegor` What is JWT?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "JWT" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=JWT&summary=%28prompted+by+gRegor`+https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-03/line/1422983784898%29
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@dkreuz @srhnsn https://yoyod.de/indieweb.dvcs/index (twitter.com/_/status/562665786024927232)
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tallpaul !tell KevinMark http://wxqa.com http://aprs.fi/#!addr=portland%2C%20or http://www.findu.com/ for APRS weather reports (see also http://info.aprs.net/index.php?title=Weather)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm what is JSON Web Token?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "JSON Web Token" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=JSON+Web+Token&summary=%28prompted+by+kylewm+https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-03/line/1422987562482%29
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emmak aaronpk: does it make sense for a token endpoint to require the "state" parameter be set?
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aaronpk emmak: i think it does
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emmak so i should probably revert: https://github.com/notenoughneon/neonblog/commit/a2c5f4e96fb65b323cf45867a7de94d38a33ba05
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kylewm so if i want to store a csrf token *and* a redirect url in the state... i'm confused about the right way to do that
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kylewm maybe just token|url ?
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kylewm danlyke: http://www.flutterby.com/main.rdf seems to be stalled, last updated 2014-12-14
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danlyke kylewm thanks!
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kylewm danlyke: h-feed works great though :)
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danlyke kylewm :-) and main.rdf should be updating now.
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danlyke I need to implement some monitoring, don't I? Sigh. Don't want to be a sysadmin.
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kylewm >insert quip about xml side file admin tax<
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danlyke ^++
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@srhnsn @dkreuz Webmentions kannte ich noch nicht. Von der Projektgröße her auch genau richtig, um z. B. auf den Geschmack von Go zu kommen. ;D (twitter.com/_/status/562689051489476608)
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@dkreuz @srhnsn Mir gefällt #IndieWeb, weil es so schön auf Web-Standards setzt und Infrastrukturen nutzt. Und wegen @_yoyod natürlich ;) (twitter.com/_/status/562689551064633344)
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kylewm.com created /Woodwind (+661) "Created page with "{{ stub }} <dfn>Woodwind</dfn> is {{kylewm}}'s minimalist indie reader. There is an instance running at http://reader.kylewm.com. Source code is [https://github.com/kylewm/woodwi..."" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ so, CSS has nice concise ways of expressing the "fit image in box" thing I want: cover and contain. However they only work on background images, not img tags o_O
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tantek kylewm++
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Loqi tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 4 hours, 11 minutes ago: yes I did set up updating of posts, though i don't think anyone has tested it yet.
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Loqi kylewm has 107 karma
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tantek xmlsidefile--
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Loqi xmlsidefile has -1 karma
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aaronpk kylewm++ amazing work on Woodwind so far!
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Loqi kylewm has 108 karma
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kylewm aw thanks!
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tantek what is a side file?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "side file" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=side+file&summary=%28prompted+by+tantek+https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-03/line/1422992578099%29
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tantek what is a feed file?
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Loqi A feed file is a feed represented as a separate file (as opposed to as part of an existing HTML page, e.g https://indiewebcamp.com/feed_file
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aaronpk the only problem with these new edit links is that they're too long for my IRC client
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aaronpk i guess most people with a GUI IRC client don't have this problem
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GWG kylewm, I saw your comment on push.
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aaronpk kylewm: I just "liked" a post and got "success" but the "success" link took me to my micropub endpoint instead of the like post
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kylewm really??
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tantek.com edited /feed_file (+190) "becoming out of date with example from danlyke / kylewm" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /side_file (+34) "(prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-03/line/1422992578099) r" (view diff)
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tantek what is a side file?
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Loqi The sidefile-antipattern is a violation of the DRY principle by the use of secondary files (typically in some one-off XML format) to provide information that is a duplicate of information available in primary files on a website (in HTML), and is an antipattern due to typical DRY violation problems such as out-of-date, missing, corrupted, or outright false data https://indiewebcamp.com/side_file
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ben_thatmustbeme woah, IndieAuth does not like G+
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ben_thatmustbeme i just went to login and as usual i use G+. but instead of just going right through it popped up one of those "IndieAuth would like permission to ..." from Google
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kylewm aaronpk: do you have any idea why the jquery.post result would have .location pointing to your micropub endpoint?
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ben_thatmustbeme i hit yes and got directed back to IndieAuth with "
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ben_thatmustbeme You just authenticated as '103076322505022942105' but your website linked to 'https://plus.google.com/+BenRoberts83'"
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tantek Google is not particularly good at URL consistency / identity.
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ben_thatmustbeme i guess they just switched things up
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tantek again
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aaronpk oh jeez
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: it's still working fine for me :(
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ben_thatmustbeme weird
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, but you link to G+ with your ID #
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ben_thatmustbeme i link with /+BenRoberts83/
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: no I link to https://google.com/+aaronpk
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, sorry, saw a link elsewhere in the page that listed it the other way
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ben_thatmustbeme weird
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ben_thatmustbeme i tried to match your url exactly (took out the 'plus.' section)
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ben_thatmustbeme and its still failing
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ben_thatmustbeme NEVERMIND
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ben_thatmustbeme i had switched accounts to office account for work
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cweiske source code paste embedding on application/xhtml+xml pages works with phorkie. phew.
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cweiske gist--
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Loqi gist has -1 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme although the TOTP code came back for me aaronpk
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cweiske benwerd, does known support oembed?
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ben.thatmustbe.me created /woodwind (+22) "redirect" (view diff)
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: huh weird
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benwerd cweiske: Not right now, but a few people have brought it up
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tantek.com edited /Woodwind (+79) "expand dfn, add blank features section to prompt, see also [[reader]]" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, aaronpk, https://ben.thatmustbe.me does not show TOTP ben.thatmustbe.me does
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aaronpk aha
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tantek cweiske: what are the use-cases that justify oembed?
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: got rid of that one too
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cweiske tantek, pasting an URL into my CMS/blog system and get the content included, without caring what the page at the URL itself contains (navigation, ads, comments)
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cweiske embed: http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2015-02-03%20phorkie%20paste%20embedding.png
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cweiske original: http://p.cweiske.de/160
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tantek "the content included" - could you be more specific?
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aaronpk that's basically what h-entry is for, and how comments work
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aaronpk when you send a webmention, you're just sending a URL, and the target site goes and finds the comment text to display
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aaronpk by parsing the h-entry from the HTML on that page
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aaronpk so your p.cweiske.de could make that an h-entry and mark up the paste contents with e-content, then you could easily find the "content" of the post
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cweiske what do you do about content you don't want in embeds? e.g. the "edit", "raw" and "xmllint" buttons
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aaronpk you don't put those inside the e-content
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cweiske that's impossible
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cweiske except I add javascript that adds those buttons
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cweiske which is kind of weird
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cweiske because I don't want to design for embeds first
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cweiske but want embeds as a second way of accessing the content
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cweiske not as primary way
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cweiske I also want to have different styles on p.cweiske.de versus the embeds
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aaronpk what's the primary way?
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cweiske the primary way is p.cweiske.de, the pastebin tool
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aaronpk check out how i've done "collection" posts, i feel like it's kind of similar
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/collections/2014/10/17/1/indieweb-border-none
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aaronpk i authored literally a list of URLs, and p3k goes and finds what is at each URL and embeds it in the page
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aaronpk if I were to add "code" as a type it recognized, it could make it format code posts separately
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cweiske I still think there is a difference between the content marked up with h-entry and the application output I want in phorkie
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cweiske because it's two different use cases
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cweiske and one html does not match both cases
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 109 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme this is excellent
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ben_thatmustbeme playing with woodwind now
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kylewm thanks ben_thatmustbeme
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kylewm aaronpk: I think I fixed the issue with the location header
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kylewm my micropub endpoint was actually returning a 302 redirect, instead of 201 created... and so then i was counting on being redirected to the right location rather than reading the "Location" header
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: thanks so much for checking it out, still ironing out micropub bugs. let me know if you see any :)
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ben_thatmustbeme nothing micropub yet, helped me find a bug on my end
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to see if i can break it for you though. really need to be able to see my list of feeds and remove them
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kylewm http://reader.kylewm.com/feeds
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ben_thatmustbeme ah, yeah, that
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kylewm.com edited /Woodwind (+377) "move Goals to Features. add Itches section." (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme No Feeds found for: http://whatever.com page does not show my stream at all
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: just tried it. looks like it subscribed to http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/base/users/whatever/uploads?alt=rss&v=2&orderby=published&client=ytapi-youtube-profile
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ben_thatmustbeme oh heh, no
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ben_thatmustbeme that was placeholder
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ben_thatmustbeme any site without a feed
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ben_thatmustbeme try with bear.im
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kylewm oh funny
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kylewm thanks for the heads up ben, it should redirect to / like everythign else does now
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@martinlindner @jweilharter du kennst das A Domain of One's Own-projekt? http://umw.domains/about/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/562716631882035200)
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aaronpk kylewm: sweet!
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ben_thatmustbeme in the coming weeks i may just make some pull requests for you kylewm :D
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kylewm that would be awesome
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aaronpk google is dropping OpenID 2.0 in a couple months! https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6135882
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aaronparecki.com edited /OpenID (+166) "/* Shutdowns */ add Google OpenID 2.0" (view diff)
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almereyda aaronpk : again dropping sh*t? strange.
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almereyda aaronpk: So this is for the old endpoints? OpenID Connect will still work.
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aaronpk OpenID Connect is replacing OpenID 2.0
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tantek they don't actually have anything in common except name right?
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aaronpk right
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aaronpk OpenID Connect is basically OAuth 2.0 with an identity layer
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tantek then we can say IndieAuth is replacing OpenID
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tantek and be just as accurate
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek except less misleading, since we're not using the same name to talk about two different things
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almereyda +1
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aaronpk basically OpenID 1 and 2 are totally gone now
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aaronpk and OAuth has replaced it
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tantek aaronpk - still need OpenID to sign into OSBridge site/wiki to submit proposals ;)
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aaronpk since IndieAuth is also OAuth plus an identity layer
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aaronpk osbridge supports ALL THE THINGS http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/osbridge-login-20150203-131945.png
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tantek aaronpk whoa - when did that happen?!?
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tantek they used to require openid
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tantek They do now!
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tantek even without JS :)
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tantek just need them to add rel=me
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tantek then Eventbrite can be another IndieAuth OAuth provider
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aaronpk neat!
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cweiske tantek, I still think there is a difference between the content marked up with h-entry and the application output I want in phorkie. it's two use cases, and they require different markup
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tantek use-cases don't require different "markup" - that's plumbing talk
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tantek they may require different information
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cweiske how does that change the problem?
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tantek aaronpk - looks like eventbrite added the *option* of picking a subdomain for your profile! e.g. ***.eventbrite.com
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aaronpk whoa!
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tantek yeah - it's a good pattern
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tantek cweiske: it removes the plumbing distraction.
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cweiske from the question, not from the problem
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aaronpk tantek: where is that option?
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tantek aaronpk, sign-in, drop down menu with your name top right, "My Organizer Profile"
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aaronpk hm I don't have that option
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tantek have you ever created/run an eventbrite event yourself?
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, guessing there is something wrong with my like-of markup
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aaronpk not on this account
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aaronpk just made an account and now it shows up!
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cweiske so how should one cope with different information requirements?
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tantek identify the specific information each use-case needs
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cweiske ok. done. then?
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tantek document it
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tantek needs to document his "improved" URL input box that allows entering a URL without http://
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tantek !tell kylewm Woodwind is cool - nice minimal sign-up flow :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell kylewm when I signed into Woodwind, it presented two optons of "feeds" to follow - updates.tom, and my home page. Consider re-ordering those put put (html) option(s) before XML /sidefile options.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd !tell kylewm I second tantek. Woodwind is awesome.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm thanks so much guys
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 7 minutes ago: Woodwind is cool - nice minimal sign-up flow :)
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 4 minutes ago: when I signed into Woodwind, it presented two optons of "feeds" to follow - updates.tom, and my home page. Consider re-ordering those put put (html) option(s) before XML /sidefile options.
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Loqi kylewm: benwerd left you a message 2 minutes ago: I second tantek. Woodwind is awesome.
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aaronpk so here's a question, after i've "liked" a post, the like button should be highlighted indicating as such
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aaronpk but I may have liked a post from some other app, not Woodwind
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aaronpk so Woodwind needs a way to know whether i've liked a given post
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i was thinking about that too
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kylewm yeah...that is...hard
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ben_thatmustbeme not really an easy thing to solve, you could poll from the site (some special endpoint) but thats a lot of polling, you could ask for a list of all likes (but no telling how far back the like was)
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aaronpk i was thinking, what if Woodwind passed in a list of URLs to check
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aaronpk so Woodwind is like "i'm about to show these 10 posts to the user, check if any of them have been liked"
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ben_thatmustbeme its just polling, just doing it in batches
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aaronpk kinda, but it's asking for specific information instead of a list of all likes
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ben_thatmustbeme and thereafter every time it gets a new post it has to ask the owner's site if that one has been liked yet
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aaronpk no, only when you are viewing them
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ben_thatmustbeme every time you view them
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aaronpk once one has been liked you could cache that and not query it again
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kylewm so you're saying it would query my micropub endpoint right?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk this may not be important enough to solve right now, but wanted to throw it out there
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tantek I'm confused. Doesn't each post show who liked it?
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tantek e.g. with a facepile
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tantek just need to mark those up with p-like just like comments on a post a marked up with p-comment
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tantek or something like that
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aaronpk oh duh
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tantek :)
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kylewm I have lots of stuff in my feed that aren't indie posts, tweets and stuff
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aaronpk that does assume that my "like" post will show up immediately
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aaronpk kylewm: how'd you get tweets in there?
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tantek aaronpk, solving for the current common case
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kylewm twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com
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kylewm and instagram-activitystreams.appspot.com
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aaronpk and that doesn't accept webmentions, right
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kylewm right
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tantek do those turn tweets into h-entry?
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kylewm tantek: yes
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tantek then they could also list the favorites / retweets as facepiles as well
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tantek since those are accessible right? sorta?
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tantek from the tweet permalink?
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aaronpk i'm assuming twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com uses the twitter api
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tantek I like barnaby's approach
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kylewm it does use the api, it should be conceivably possible to show likes in the activitystreams output, but it doesn't show it currently
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kylewm what's barnaby's approach?
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aaronpk twitter provides a way to list all the retweeters of a tweet, but not all likes https://dev.twitter.com/rest/reference/get/statuses/retweeters/ids
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tantek well it's start
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KevinMarks_ how does brid.gy get them then?
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tantek barnaby has some sort of conversion utility
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kylewm KevinMarks_: you don't want to know
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aaronpk lol
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tantek from the HTML page of the tweet permalink I believe
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KevinMarks_ we approve of HTML as data format here
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kylewm e.g., https://twitter.com/i/activity/favorited_popup?id=562664288675180544
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kylewm secret json endpoint :p
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aaronpk omg
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aaronpk i like how that's a JSON endpoint that returns two keys called "html"
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kylewm hahaha
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tantek wow
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tantek KevinMarks: do you have an unmung for JSON like that? ;)
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KevinMarks_ and what's all the \u003c \u003e for < >
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KevinMarks_ I have JSONtoXOXO, though not on an endpoint at the moment
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tantek KevinMarks - I mean specifically for this apparent pattern of JS-escaped HTML inside JSON property values
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KevinMarks_ sounds like a possibly useful one
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KevinMarks_ I need to adjust unmung so it applies some smarts to urls it is given
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KevinMarks_ tantek, do you still work on CSS?
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tantek I do
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KevinMarks_ so, how come background-image has the useful "contain" and "cover" options, but there's no way to do it with an img or svg tag that's actually in the document?
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tantek hmm I thought similar properties were recently or in development
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tantek you may be looking for: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-images/#sizing
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tantek in particular http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-images/#the-object-fit
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KevinMarks_ so I can put object-fit:contain on an img tag?
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tantek I believe that is correct - check the examples
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KevinMarks_ the example is a bitmap ;)
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KevinMarks_ aha
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KevinMarks_ works in chrome anyway
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KevinMarks_ so you have to set img {width:100%; height:100%; object-fit:contain; }
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KevinMarks_ then ti works
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tantek neat
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KevinMarks_ yay
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Loqi woot
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KevinMarks_ there we go: http://svgur.com/
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KevinMarks_ cello bow and empire state work
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KevinMarks_ tantek++
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choochus Is this the proper place to ask for some help getting IndieAuth working?
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aaronpk sure!
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choochus I'm baffled. Followed everything I can online and tons of searching, but when I enter my domain to log in to indiewebcamp it just sits there.
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choochus Domain is http://chooch.us
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aaronpk checking...
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aaronpk choochus: is your server listening on ipv6?
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aaronpk i think indieauth.com is trying to connect to the ipv6 address and your server is not responding
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choochus Ahh.. Technically the network config is ipv6 enabled, but I've never added to my vhosts
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choochus Thank you -- I'll make sure ipv6 is happy before trying the next steps
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aaronpk if you're gonna return an ipv6 address for your domain, you should probably be listening on ipv6 ;)
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jgarber kylewm: Just catching up here. Woodwind is really cool!
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kylewm thanks :) it's pretty bare bones, but i have enjoyed using it
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KevinMarks https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/typed-a-better-blogging-platform#description
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KevinMarks Brighton based blogging tool - anyone want to indieweb evangelise them?
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aaronpk hmm "Claim your username" is one of the perks... so I guess it's not something you can install yourself
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tantek indiegogo - meh - most links broken w/o JS