#indiewebcamp 2015-02-05

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@benwerd I love that, a few years in, I'm having decentralized conversations using webmention every. single. day. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/563125897792724992)
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tantek benwerd, kylewm, KevinMarks, snarfed - I'm out of town next week - can one or more of you lead the organizing/hosting of Homebrew Website Club 2015-02-11 in SF?
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club (+108) "/* RSVP */ regrest" (view diff)
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tantek regrets even
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tylergillies.club edited /events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club (+15) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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tylergillies.club created /Template:kodumulo (+70) "Created page with "= <a class="h-card" href="http://aaronparecki.com">Aaron Parecki</a> ="" (view diff)
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bret KevinMarks_: that twitter star icon.. totally! dopamine rush ;)
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bret kinda want to "borrow" it
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aaronpk kodumulo: why'd you ut my h-card on your page!
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kodumulo aaronpk: was a test to see what teh template rendered it as
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kodumulo i usually copy and paste your stuff for testing
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aaronpk ha
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tylergillies.club edited /Template:kodumulo (-3) "/* Aaron Parecki */" (view diff)
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bret buhhhh..... media wiki citation syntax
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bret cmon bret
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tylergillies.club created /User:Kodumulo (+67) "Created page with "<a class="h-card" href="http://kodumulo.withknown.com">Kodumulo</a>"" (view diff)
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tylergillies.club edited /Template:kodumulo (-67) "Blanked the page" (view diff)
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tylergillies.club moved /Template:kodumulo to /ibrokeit
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tylergillies.club edited /events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club (-14) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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tylergillies.club edited /events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club (+14) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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kodumulo bloody hell
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kodumulo gives up
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@channyun 국내에서 인디웹(@indiewebcamp )의 취지에 공감하시는 독립 웹사이트 운영자 및 블로거들의 첫번째 모임을 하고자 합니다. 관심 있는 분들 참여해 주시길... https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (twitter.com/_/status/563135732852617216)
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kodumulo @aaronpk are those pages rendered on page load or on save?
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kylewm interesting, google translate recognizess "kodomulo" as Esperanto but translates it to kodomulo
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aaronpk kodumulo: you blanked out your template, what'd you expect?
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kodumulo aaronpk: um... i started working on user page
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kodumulo im claiming kodumulo user page
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aaronpk {{kodumulo}} uses the template
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kodumulo plants a flag
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Loqi [bridgy] borashow favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (https://twitter.com/channyun/status/563135732852617216)
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kodumulo OOOOOH
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kodumulo bollocks
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kodumulo I had it right the first damn time
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kodumulo kodumulo--
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Loqi You can't karma yourself!
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kodumulo !karma !karma
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Loqi !karma has 0 karma
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Loqi has 0 karma has 0 karma
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kodumulo meh
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kodumulo aaronpk: how do you get the little favicon bugger?
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kodumulo is that the favicon of the href?
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aaronpk look at https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:aaronpk
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tantek kodumulo: the image is in the template
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kodumulo VICTORY IS MINE
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bret kodumulo: someone should probrably write up a mini instruction page on user templates
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bret :D
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bret kodumulo++
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Loqi kodumulo has 3 karma
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kodumulo http://note.io/1ubqUau
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bret right on kodumulo see you there :)
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@acegiak Ben Werdmüller: I love that, a few years in, I'm having decentralized conversations using webmention every. - http://acegiak.net/2015/02/05/ben-werdmuller-i-love-that-a-few-years-in-im-having-decentralized-conversations-using-webmention-every-single-day-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/563138665145049088)
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kodumulo discovers the preview button
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kodumulo aaronpk: Im literally right next to you guys.
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kodumulo in the sushi building
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kodumulo in front of office max
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aaronpk whoa!
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kodumulo https://www.google.com/maps/dir/506+SW+6th+Ave,+Portland,+OR+97204/esri+pdx/@45.5208705,-122.6799827,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x54950a044637db29:0xc9c4129cdd0c2dcb!2m2!1d-122.6777907!2d45.5202231!1m5!1m1!1s0x54950a0f90bed80f:0x3caf2a5ae06bdb2!2m2!1d-122.677399!2d45.521518
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bret.io created /flexbox (+1837) "Learning flexbox. These are my links for learning." (view diff)
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channy.creation.net edited /events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (+0) "/* 홈브루 웹사이트 클럽 미트업 */" (view diff)
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kodumulo bret: that mushrooms oscope video is amazeballs
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bret isnt that cool! I wanna try it
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Loqi [bridgy] kim hoe jang favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (https://twitter.com/channyun/status/563135732852617216)
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kgoon.asia edited /events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (+18) "/* 모임 신청 */" (view diff)
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Loqi [bridgy] pulmu favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (https://twitter.com/channyun/status/563135732852617216)
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GWG I am really wanting a simple mobile post ui right now
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channy.creation.net edited /events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (+36) "/* 모임 신청 */" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club (+13) "/* RSVP */ rsvp-yes-sf" (view diff)
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kodumulo channy owns creation.net
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kodumulo thats a pretty decent domain
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aaronpk registered in 1996
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kodumulo I was in middle school
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snarfed GWG: remind me, you don't use the wp mobile app?
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GWG I was in high school. Wish I had anticipated domain squatting
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GWG Snarfed, no.
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aaronpk the WP mobile app is great!
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snarfed GWG: you should then, it's good
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GWG I tried, but needed too many extra steps
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snarfed really?
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snarfed share a picture or link to the app, then one tap to publish
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snarfed press this on mobile web is also good, but the app is better
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kylewm snarfed: benwerd: KevinMarks_: any preferences/suggestions for HWC location for next week?
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GWG Snarfed, I just want some presets
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benwerd kylewm: sadly I can no longer offer up our digs - no preferences
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GWG I have different options for different types of posts
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snarfed GWG: sure. https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this does that
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GWG It takes too long for me to post now
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kylewm we need to recruit someone to indieweb with SOMA office space :p
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GWG Snarfed, did you check out the new version?
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snarfed damn, i'd offer quip but i left :P
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snarfed joining http://colorgenomics.com/ in march
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snarfed GWG: of press this? no
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kylewm snarfed: wow big news! congratulations
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snarfed thanks!
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GWG Snarfed, I wish you well in future endeavors
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kodumulo another company named color
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snarfed thanks GWG
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kodumulo this isn't gonna end bad at all
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snarfed heh yes
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: congratulations
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kylewm what was the previous company named Color?
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GWG Snarfed, I just haven't found the tool for me.
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kodumulo an instagram like thing
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kodumulo that got like 500000 million in vc money
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kodumulo that went nowhere
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KevinMarks Interesting http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-05/twitter-said-to-reach-deal-for-tweets-in-google-search-results
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kodumulo http://mashable.com/2012/10/17/color-shuts-down/
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GWG Snarfed, that is why I hope for Micropub
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KevinMarks Do you have micropub support in wp now?
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snarfed KevinMarks: nope :(
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kylewm snarfed: so your paternity leave was self-imposed? here i was impressed with quip's very liberal policy :)
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snarfed kylewm: ahaha. the first 2mo were real paternity leave. this 2 mo are between jobs
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KevinMarks_ which of me is doing that?
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acegiak hola!
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GWG Acegiak, long time no see
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acegiak yeah I've been pretty crazy busy
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GWG KevinMarks, even if we did, no Android client
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KevinMarks_ you could use web ones
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acegiak I've been using the web client for wordpress in favour of it's android app because the android app doesn't appear to trigger certain event hooks in the same way
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GWG KevinMarks, cart before horse
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acegiak get a good enough web solution going and you don't need natives
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GWG Acegiak, nice to have you back
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acegiak weighing in on everything with no context :P
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KevinMarks_ well, for example ownyourgram would mean you could use android instagram
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GWG Acegiak, still nice
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KevinMarks_ and yes, very welcom
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GWG KevinMarks, I am moving slowly
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KevinMarks_ realises that my assumed problem with CSS was me not escaping right
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GWG Acegiak, anything you curious about that occurred in your absence?
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acegiak GWG: hows your wordpress suite? I'm looking at which approaches are better for getting friends on the indieweb
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acegiak I'm curious to know if I missed any major developments that I should be implementing on my site
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GWG Acegiak, I forked Indieweb Taxonomy after the unpleasantness
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GWG I decided to change how it worked
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acegiak fair enough. what's the new approach?
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GWG Instead of working with Post Formats, by adding a note and article term, I could eliminate post formats entirely
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acegiak that's a really good idea
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GWG I left the original design there
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GWG And renamed it Post Kinds
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acegiak post formats on wordpress is a failed implementation
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acegiak i think it was just the wordpress team getting intimidated by tumblr
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GWG This is more about context and less about styling.
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acegiak yeah
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GWG But it can be styled
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GWG I am trying to get to a 1.0 release
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GWG At that point, I intend to put it on the WordPress repository
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acegiak this project: https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds ?
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GWG Acegiak, correct
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acegiak are you allowing acegiak style multikind posts?
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GWG Acegiak, I took out that feature.
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Loqi [bridgy] Sungjoon Yoon favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (https://twitter.com/channyun/status/563135732852617216)
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GWG But I had plans to put in an override for you.
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GWG You were the only one who seems to do multi kind
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acegiak Are you using the same metadata fields or a new set/system?
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acegiak Yeah apparently?
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acegiak I find that weird
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GWG Acegiak, the same array I switched to.
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GWG So I could add without any further issues.
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GWG Now supports author
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acegiak I feel like if I want to comment on something and also like it or rsvp to it making that two posts would violate DRY?
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GWG I need to improve the profile picture though
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acegiak neat
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acegiak well I might switch to it if I can keep my existing metadata and metadata display code
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GWG Interesting question
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snarfed acegiak: it's been discussed before, and no, not necessarily a DRY violation
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snarfed they're two separate things
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GWG Well, I have a bunch of things in my mind that prevent a 1.0 release
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snarfed i don't think there was a strong conclusion, but people thought separate posts and merged post were both ok
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GWG I'll be working on them.
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acegiak snarfed: ok, so I'll keep rocking with making sure whisperfollow supports both options
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GWG One was what you do with the absence of a kind for posts that existed before
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acegiak not that whisperfollow is a solution many people can afford to run. It's rss aggregation is so heavy
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snarfed !tell tantek,aaronpk just fyi, bridgy publish is now oauth protected (interactive) or requires backlink (webmention). i think that closes the outstanding security concern(s). let me know if you see any bugs!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak GWG: don't you have a case for posts that have no kind anyway?
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KevinMarks_ hm, I just relaised that http://svgur.com/ should have h-feed markup on the homepage
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GWG Well, in post formats, null is standard.
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GWG I thought that I would make it user choice.
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GWG Null is note
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GWG Or null is article
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acegiak makes sense
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acegiak so why would that not apply to older posts?
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GWG But it would not show up in the archives without an explicit decision
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acegiak thepost?
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GWG The unkind post
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KevinMarks_ can I have a feed with no text?
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GWG Acegiak, the selection box is something that I want to reww
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GWG Rewrite
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GWG KevinMarks, photo?
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acegiak I would have an option in the plugin options for default post type
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GWG I was also think
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GWG Ing
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GWG Of sesetting the podt
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GWG Grrr...
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GWG I was also thinking of setting the post format to something to allow backward compatibility with unkind themes
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acegiak I feel like you're never gonna get a really nice solution to the problem of unkind themes so it might actually be more annoying to offer a half-solution
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KevinMarks_ hm, I'm not putting dates on them though
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acegiak if a kinds is an indieweb solution then you may as well require a compatible theme
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KevinMarks_ https://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsvgur.com%2F
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GWG Acegiak, I have a starter theme
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acegiak excellent
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GWG Mf2_s
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acegiak my theme definitely needs a rework
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GWG It supports Semantic Linkbacks, Post Kinds...
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GWG I back ported a lot of SemPress code
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acegiak yeah
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GWG But without the style
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GWG Acegiak, I just don't want to scare newbies
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KevinMarks_ !tell kylewm woodwind didn't like my image only feed on svgur.com (shrewdness did))
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak GWG: totally understandable but the best solution there is to have some really good compatible themes I think
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acegiak sempress supports semantic linkbacks doesn't it?
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GWG Acegiak, not at all
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acegiak ah dang. ok
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GWG I got pfefferle to add a function to count semantic types
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acegiak I'm just aware that we spent a lot of time styling sempress to look good enough for blackwoolholiday.com so I'm trying to avoid starting again on that front with another base theme
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GWG So I made my starter theme display the like count and so on
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acegiak cool
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GWG It shares the underscores base
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GWG Shouldn't be impossible to use a different style sheet
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GWG Though I did mod a bit
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GWG Also I am keeping up with underscores commits
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acegiak kk
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GWG For example, I added SASS when they did
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acegiak what is sass?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sass" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=sass&summary=%28prompted+by+acegiak+https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-04/line/1423104240568%29
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GWG What is SASS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SASS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SASS&summary=%28prompted+by+GWG+https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-02-04/line/1423104252916%29
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GWG Thought we did
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GWG Acegiak, were you tanteking?
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GWG Or asking?
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acegiak I don't know what SASS is in this context
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GWG SASS is a CSS extension
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gRegor` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sass_(stylesheet_language)
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gRegor` It's come up a couple times. IWC wiki could use a page
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acegiak ta
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gRegor` Could you stub /SASS, GWG?
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GWG It, most usefully for development, allows you to break your stylesheet into pieces
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GWG gRegor`: I was not at an airport waiting to board a flight
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KevinMarks_ I thought it was a preprocessor?
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GWG I will try to do it later
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gRegor` Oh, no worries. Safe travels!
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GWG Plane already late and no wifi again
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GWG They only have a few not refitted. How do I keep getting them?
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KevinMarks_ what is sass?
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Loqi SASS is a Stylesheet Language that extends CSS and is compiled into CSS before publishing https://indiewebcamp.com/sass
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acegiak yay
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KevinMarks_ stubbed - add lins if you use it
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KevinMarks_ interesting: http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/4/7982099/twitter-ceo-sent-memo-taking-personal-responsibility-for-the
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GWG I use it to simplify my CSS. Makes change easier to do due separate files.
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KevinMarks_ basically twitter is leaking lots of stories today as they announce earnings tomorrow and they want to have things that aren't flat user numbers to talk about
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GWG KevinMarks, will do.
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GWG acegiak, since they will be closing the door soon, if you get a chance to look at anything of mine and have feedback, file an issue
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GWG I want to finish the suite
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@ODNTTheSeries FINAL Season! Help us out! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/old-dogs-new-tricks-4th-final-season #indie #indieweb #LGBT Decide how @ODNTTheSeries ends! #webseries http://www.odnt.tv (twitter.com/_/status/563170256558907392)
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@LeonAcord RT @ODNTTheSeries: FINAL Season! Help us out! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/old-dogs-new-tricks-4th-final-season #indie #indieweb #LGBT Decide how @ODNTTheSeries ends! #webseries http… (twitter.com/_/status/563170340042702850)
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GWG I was very affected when KevinMarks and Tantek asked questions I couldn't take them through while trying to help newcomers
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KevinMarks_ not meaning to pressure you GWG
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GWG KevinMarks, not pressure
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KevinMarks_ just that I know how useful watching a first-time user is
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GWG Motivation
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KevinMarks_ so always keen to do ti and document it
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GWG I have a lot of irons in the fire to get there
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GWG That is why I am always trying to get ideas to make things better
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GWG Be back from the other side.
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /webactions (+841) "/* Brainstorming */ adding quick dump of ideas for different icon states" (view diff)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KevinMarks_ how do I get mf2 to use the title of an <a> for a property?
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KevinMarks_ or should I put an alt on the img instead?
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kylewm snarfed: on facebook api issues,i feel like if we could find some of these posts "naturally" in the api, we'd have a better understanding of where they're getting ids from
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Loqi kylewm: KevinMarks_ left you a message 2 hours, 15 minutes ago: woodwind didn't like my image only feed on svgur.com (shrewdness did))
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KevinMarks_ I have improved the feed since then, btw
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snarfed kylewm: yeah, i thought that way too…but i found a few ids like that today via the api, and they still didn't fetch ok
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snarfed e.g. the sixth list item in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/350#issuecomment-72967477
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kylewm huh
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snarfed :(
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kylewm so, it doesn't even work for (what we assume is) their "expected" use case?
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kylewm wth
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kylewm why aren't there a bunch of blog posts "facebook v2.2 api irredemably broken"
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snarfed i don't know. i expect we're missing something
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snarfed maybe missing an oauth scope
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snarfed and/or v2.x broadly don't support accessing arbitrary posts from other users, esp if they haven't "installed" your app, full stop
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kylewm i clicked all the oauth permissions that are available in the graph api
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kylewm and still getting the same stuff
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snarfed lol
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kylewm i'm incredulous that their documentation could be *so* wrong, if that's the case
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snarfed i don't know that it is
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kylewm (don't laugh)
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snarfed i'm not sure they claim ids in the 'id' field are always fetchable as objects
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kylewm so like, ben werd has authorized bridgy, shouldn't i be able to go to /his-user-id/posts and see something
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snarfed maybe!
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kylewm posts is empty, photos on the other hand is abounding with riches
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kylewm this is maddening
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snarfed you'd probably need to use his access token
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snarfed sigh, even with his access token, /posts and /feed are empty
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snarfed time to start writing that SO question?
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kylewm ok but like if i go to /someone-else/home, it gives me a nice useful error message that i can't do that
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kylewm why does it just give data: []
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kylewm yeah let's do it
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kylewm KevinMarks_: hmm, your feed looks good to me, must be something wrong wiht my parser :(
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kylewm snarfed: would you like me to take a first pass?
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snarfed /home is somewhat different from /feed and /posts
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snarfed but meh
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snarfed sure!
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snarfed i figured it'd just be a few sentences, something like "how to derive usable object id from post URL with v2.x API?," a little elaboration and links, and then all of the research in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/350#issuecomment-72967477
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snarfed minus oauth scope speculation because we know it's wrong
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snarfed anyway. sure, thank you!
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kylewm are you worried about publishing Gina or Evan's name/user ids?
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kylewm KevinMarks_: it's parsing class="h-entry e-content" strangely... what is the intention there?
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snarfed kylewm: not worried, but you're welcome to use test users instead of you want
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kylewm snarfed: is the question even more fundamental? "is it possible to access a public post in the facebook api"
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kylewm nah, disregard. that's stupid... i'll ask the specific question we want the answer to ;p
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snarfed kylewm: no, you're right. at least, for other users, who haven't installed the app
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kylewm if i start out on /me/home, i seem to have access to all the posts that show up there
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snarfed hmm ok
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kylewm (not very helpful)
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kylewm snarfed: https://gist.github.com/kylewm/91f9510d8a0c49722e08
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snarfed kylewm looks good! thanks!
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snarfed a couple minor tweaks
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snarfed line 6, its -> a post's and so of -> so
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snarfed also consider linking appropriate phrases to fb docs for comment/like publishing and app scoped user ids (i think that one's earlier in the gh issue)
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kylewm i can't figure out how to give you editing power
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snarfed maybe link to the gh issue too
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snarfed heh me neither. no matter, I'm done
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kylewm ok cool
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snarfed feel free to post after that
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snarfed thank you!
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kylewm posted: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28337331/facebook-graph-api-find-graph-object-from-post-url
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kylewm (I would not say no to a little upvote love)
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GWG yawns
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GWG Looks like I missed some things
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acegiak oh hey pfefferle!
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@wowzip RT @channyun: 국내에서 인디웹(@indiewebcamp )의 취지에 공감하시는 독립 웹사이트 운영자 및 블로거들의 첫번째 모임을 하고자 합니다. 관심 있는 분들 참여해 주시길... https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (twitter.com/_/status/563231437982167040)
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Loqi [bridgy] kim hoe jang retweeted a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (https://twitter.com/wowzip/status/563231437982167040)
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pfefferle hey acegiak
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pfefferle good morning indieweb, good morning KevinMarks_
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KevinMarks Hmm https://github.com/Last-Social-Network/Last-Social-Network/wiki/Whitepaper
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KartikPrabhu is that a new movie staring Arnold Schwarzenegger as Zuckerberg?
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@NevaRodriguez22 @myStoryNuggets ★Rave Reviews on the 2nd book in this tempting series: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0692348433/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0692348433&linkCode=as2&tag=nevasquirrodr-20 #Contemporary #Romantic #Suspense #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/563332611490463746)
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Loqi [bridgy] 도치네청설모 favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (https://twitter.com/channyun/status/563135732852617216)
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Loqi [bridgy] JunSik Oh favorited a tweet https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-07-homebrew-website-club-ko (https://twitter.com/channyun/status/563135732852617216)
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GWG Good morning
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aaronpk morning
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Loqi aaronpk: snarfed left you a message 12 hours, 54 minutes ago: just fyi, bridgy publish is now oauth protected (interactive) or requires backlink (webmention). i think that closes the outstanding security concern(s). let me know if you see any bugs!
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ben_thatmustbeme g'morning
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snarfed morning all
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aaronpk so a couple friends have been playing with Promoted Tweets™ to see how they can game them
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aaronpk so I went and started digging into the ad interface
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aaronpk this one is just crazy
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aaronpk "Put a code snippet on your website or in a tag manager to collect visitors, purchasers, or downloaders."
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aaronpk then you can target an ad to people who have visited your site
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ben_thatmustbeme wow
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snarfed aaronpk: i assume you saw https://medium.com/message/stupid-tricks-with-promoted-tweets-57325552109d ?
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aaronpk yes that was one of the friends to whom I was referring ;)
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snarfed heh got it
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snarfed also, anyone here on stack overflow, bridgy would love some upvotes on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28337331/facebook-graph-api-find-graph-object-from-post-url
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snarfed (corresponds to https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/350 )
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snarfed kylewm++ for compiling the SO question
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Loqi kylewm has 111 karma
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kylewm snarfed: can you think of any other tags to add to the post? to hopefully give it more visibility
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snarfed hmm no but good idea
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kylewm could use this opportunity to create an #indieweb tag, if you have > 1500 rep
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snarfed kylewm: aha i do, just
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snarfed done
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snarfed hopefully it'll eventually show up at http://stackoverflow.com/tags/indieweb/info
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kylewm sweet, thanks
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kylewm snarfed++
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aaronpk kylewm: when you added the activitystreams proxy sources does that mean woodwind is now downloading everything from that feed and storing it?
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kylewm aaronpk: yep. i subscribed to a twitter list, not the whole entire feed
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aaronpk ah cool
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/798498093549247#10152677263201794 was invited to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] Gregor Morrill RSVPed yes to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-02-11-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/798498093549247#27301982)
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@kinghead RT @ODNTTheSeries: FINAL Season! Help us out! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/old-dogs-new-tricks-4th-final-season #indie #indieweb #LGBT Decide how @ODNTTheSeries ends! #webseries http… (twitter.com/_/status/563402143118274560)
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kylewm hey KevinMarks, did you see my question about class="h-entry e-content" on svgur?
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@kevinmarks “The prospect of Facebook…as a primary host for news organizations…is depressing even if you like Facebook” http://www.theawl.com/2015/02/the-next-internet-is-tv #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/563416045189201920)
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@kevinmarks @jdunck yes indeed. I don't understand @acarvin's position on this. http://Indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths should be a warning (twitter.com/_/status/563419549735739392)
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gRegor` Quiet indieweb day
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Loqi [bridgy] Jeremy Dunck replied '@kevinmarks Err, what’s @acarvin ’s position on it?' to a tweet that linked to http://Indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/jdunck/status/563420170899566592)
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Loqi [bridgy] Andy Carvin replied '@jdunck @kevinmarks Position on what?' to a tweet that linked to http://Indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (https://twitter.com/acarvin/status/563420319189581825)
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@kevinmarks @acarvin @jdunck that awl article expressed it well. My thought is that http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE is better than http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (twitter.com/_/status/563421962538450944)
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@kevinmarks @acarvin @jdunck when you are building the website, chat to me about how indieweb tech can help you integrate with silos (twitter.com/_/status/563424012345176065)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@acarvin @jdunck when you are building the website, chat to me about how indieweb tech can help you integrate with silos' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/563424012345176065)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@acarvin @jdunck when you are building the website, chat to me about how indieweb tech can help you integrate with silos' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/563424012345176065)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@acarvin @jdunck I was surprised that having a website was so far down your priority list. It is a different mindset' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/563423605438939136)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@acarvin @jdunck I was surprised that having a website was so far down your priority list. It is a different mindset' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/563423605438939136)
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Loqi [bridgy] Andy Carvin replied '@kevinmarks @jdunck If that’s the case, then what are we even debating here?' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://twitter.com/acarvin/status/563423255995113472)
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Loqi [bridgy] Andy Carvin replied '@kevinmarks @jdunck If that’s the case, then what are we even debating here?' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/acarvin/status/563423255995113472)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@acarvin @jdunck I think we agree at heart. I'm not saying ignore them either, I cross post too. And collate comments.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/563423167998214144)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@acarvin @jdunck I think we agree at heart. I'm not saying ignore them either, I cross post too. And collate comments.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/563423167998214144)
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Loqi [bridgy] Andy Carvin replied '@kevinmarks @jdunck Except that we’ll publish on our own site as well as elsewhere. I think you’re really overstating the harm in that.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://twitter.com/acarvin/status/563422391054110720)
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Loqi [bridgy] Andy Carvin replied '@kevinmarks @jdunck Except that we’ll publish on our own site as well as elsewhere. I think you’re really overstating the harm in that.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/acarvin/status/563422391054110720)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jeremy Dunck replied '@acarvin @kevinmarks make sure your auth/user connection can survive their death. :)' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://twitter.com/jdunck/status/563423013484261376)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jeremy Dunck replied '@acarvin @kevinmarks make sure your auth/user connection can survive their death. :)' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/jdunck/status/563423013484261376)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@acarvin @jdunck that having your own site as the canonical copy is a good idea, for persistence reasons, as silos have fragility debt.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/563422225257463810)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks replied '@acarvin @jdunck that having your own site as the canonical copy is a good idea, for persistence reasons, as silos have fragility debt.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/563422225257463810)
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Loqi [bridgy] Andy Carvin replied '@jdunck @kevinmarks I’m not exactly losing sleep over it. :)' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://twitter.com/acarvin/status/563423134691651584)
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Loqi [bridgy] Andy Carvin replied '@jdunck @kevinmarks I’m not exactly losing sleep over it. :)' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/acarvin/status/563423134691651584)
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aaronpk why hello there bridgy
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Loqi [bridgy] Andy Carvin replied '@kevinmarks @jdunck Yeah, FB or Twitter may implode tomorrow. Fine. But that doesn’t mean we should avoid trying to serve those communities.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (https://twitter.com/acarvin/status/563422525884235778)
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Loqi [bridgy] Andy Carvin replied '@kevinmarks @jdunck Yeah, FB or Twitter may implode tomorrow. Fine. But that doesn’t mean we should avoid trying to serve those communities.' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/acarvin/status/563422525884235778)
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@barryf @adamprocter I’ve not used webmention.io so you may want to try IRC for help with setup. Have you tried using it… (https://barryfrost.com/2015/02/i-ve-not-used-webmention-io) (twitter.com/_/status/563424625615310848)
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gRegor` Lulz. "Quiet day" => bridgy deluge
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renoirb millette yt?
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gRegor` kylewm: Did you remove webactions from your posts?
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gRegor` !tell snarfed I've had two Bridgy Twitter Publish webmentions return 400 today. Error "Couldn't find link to https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter" https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1423167476&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyUAsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiKWh0dHA6Ly9ncmVnb3Jsb3ZlLmNvbS9ub3Rlcy8yMDE1LzAyLzA1LzQvDAsSB1B1Ymxpc2gYgICAgICAgAoM
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm gRegor`: were those interactive twitter publishes?
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kylewm or from the command line
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kylewm if curl, I suspect it's this -- bridgy now requires an explicit link in the post https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/352
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@t @html5cat yes, permashortcitation. 14 chars incl ()s instead of 23 from Twitter tco URLs. Also: http://indiewebcamp.com/permashortcitation#Why (ttk.me t4_X2) (twitter.com/_/status/563440155642458112)
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@kylewm2 @digitalocean @DigitalOcean Known! (indieweb publishing platform) https://withknown.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/563441460385574912)
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@kylewm2 @digitalocean Known! (indieweb publishing platform) https://withknown.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/563442099903664129)
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Loqi [bridgy] Yuriy Dybskiy favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/permashortcitation#Why (https://twitter.com/t/status/563440155642458112)
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gRegor` kylewm: the automatic method here: https://www.brid.gy/about#webmentions
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kylewm gRegor`: i don't see
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kylewm <a href="https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter"></a> in your source
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gRegor` is reading the github issue
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gRegor` Yeah, I've not used that historically, just sent a wm to the bridgy endpoiint.
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gRegor` But it just changed 19 hours ago, so that makes sense that i'm seeing the error now
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@ODNTTheSeries FINAL Season! Help us out! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/old-dogs-new-tricks-4th-final-season #indie #indieweb #LGBT Decide how @ODNTTheSeries ends! #webseries http://www.odnt.tv (twitter.com/_/status/563443605012877312)
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@LeonAcord RT @ODNTTheSeries: FINAL Season! Help us out! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/old-dogs-new-tricks-4th-final-season #indie #indieweb #LGBT Decide how @ODNTTheSeries ends! #webseries htt… (twitter.com/_/status/563443663343075328)
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gRegor` I liked not having to add HTML, but this makes sense
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gRegor` The about page 'automatic publishing' section should be updated to reflect that.
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gRegor` Does the Bridgy Publish link need to appear within the e-content, or anywhere within the h-entry?
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kylewm gRegor`: yeah I agree with you, I dontt want to add invisible links to my posts, and i mentioned it
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gRegor` If it's the h-entry, I might have a solution.
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kylewm but it would require bridgy give out some kind of auth token that I think is anathema to snarfed :)
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kylewm anywhere in the h-entry (probably anywhere on the page, tbh)
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gRegor` 1: enter the bridgy publish URL in the syndication field and publish a note.
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gRegor` 2: Send webmentions, bridgy publish URL is found. Bridgy does magic.
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gRegor` 3: Update the syndication field with the returned Twitter URL.
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kylewm good idea
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gRegor` So no extra empty links, and the publish link only appears long enough for bridgy magic.
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gRegor` My code does #2 now, but I think only if the field is empty. An easy update.
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gRegor` er, #3
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kylewm re the docs, my reading of https://www.brid.gy/about#webmentions is up to date with the current implementation, do you not think so?
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gRegor` I think it could be more explicit on the link requirement. "Just send a webmention" and listing the endpoint/target up front, followed by "If your server supports webmentions, just include the links" sounds like embedding the links is an optional shortcut to achieve the former.
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gRegor` But it's also been a while since I implemented and I was reading it again without knowing about the link requirement.
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kylewm makes sense
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kylewm popping back up, yes I removed indie-actions when i switched my theme
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gRegor` I was looking at them as rather simple thing to add to my notes and poking through examples, that's why I noticed.
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gRegor` Think you'll add them back, or did you find them not that useful?
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kylewm I don't find them useful :/
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kylewm I've never really understood what good they do... if you want to run a plugin to add a Reply/Like/etc. action, you could just look for the h-entry's u-url
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kylewm and then you're not dependent on individual pages actually having the links
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gRegor` Good to know
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tantek kylewm: they're useful for the same reason such buttons are useful in a reader
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Loqi tantek: snarfed left you a message on 2/4 at 6:25pm: just fyi, bridgy publish is now oauth protected (interactive) or requires backlink (webmention). i think that closes the outstanding security concern(s). let me know if you see any bugs!
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tantek great!
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gRegor` I wonder if anyone is tracking usage of those webaction links. Though I guess it could be tricky to filter out robots crawling them.
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kylewm tantek: could you elaborate? I see why twitter intents are useful if that's what you want. i don't see how indie-action is useful
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tantek kylewm - the like/repost/reply webactions also provide a default interaction UI with notes on your own site that is familiar to users who view tweets or status updates and expect such UI to quickly interact.
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tantek indie-action takes those default twitter intent-URLs tweet action handlers and upgrades them to be customizable by the user who is reading!
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kylewm ok well if someone is doing something useful with the indie-actions i'll add them back
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tantek voxpelli is!
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tantek kylewm - wait I thought YOU were too!
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voxpelli indie-actions with indie-config is useful in my opinion
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tantek with registering your web-action: handler
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voxpelli (I guess no one else is consuming indie-config yet though, I've done a poor job of following up on that idea)
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tantek voxpelli: I want to also! And I think aaronpk does too.
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kylewm indie-config doesn't work unless the site in question actually runs that block of javascript that waits for a timeout and redirects to your default handler though right?
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tantek voxpelli: I think we're both stuck a little on the how to?
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aaronpk i can't remember how far I got with it
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tantek kylewm: yes - current situation is that it requires the site to have a JS shim
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aaronpk I did something, and I was confused, and then hit a security issue and stopped thinking about it
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voxpelli tantek: would love to help! Any questions you have just send them my way
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tantek however the goal is native browser support of <indie-action>
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tantek e.g. you tell your browser the URL of your blog, and it redirects all the <indie-action> handlers to it
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tantek the use of JS shims as polyfill is how we both prototype the UI / interaction, and get some experience with it to iterate, and prove it out
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tantek voxpelli: will do! I too got to a certain point then got stuck - I need to document that better.
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voxpelli oh, turns out I never followed up http://voxpelli.com/2014/10/indie-config-overview/ with an actual post on the shim I use :P
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tantek what is indie-config?
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Loqi indie-config is a method of using protocol handlers and postmessage to setup your indie website to both notify the browser that it can handle webactions and then do so https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config
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tantek voxpelli: I tried this: https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config#How_to_load_someones_indie-config and couldn't get it to work / do anything
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tantek when kylewm and I tried to make it work
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voxpelli tantek: ok, that's basically a copy of the code I use on my site: https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com/blob/master/js/indieconfig.js
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tantek with his site having the indie-config setup, and my site having the <indie-action> tags and attempting to load indie-config via that script
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voxpelli This part ties it into the indie-action buttons: https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com/blob/master/js/main.js
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kylewm tantek: thank you for explaining that the js shim is a prototype, that does make me feel better about it
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tantek kylewm - cool. yeah the whole idea is to attempt to get an interaction working across our indieweb sites for liking/reposting/replying that's comparable at least to how easy it is in silos
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voxpelli The prototype step beyond the basic shim would be to wrap it up as a full web component to really act like a real browser tag
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tantek getting that UX to be as easy as the silos is going to be key step
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tantek kylewm: I have a feeling that getting this code to work will require some interactive (in-person likely) debugging
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tantek voxpelli: could you explain how indieconfig.js and main.js are supposed to be used inside a post permalink page? E.g. expand this accordingly: https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config#How_to_load_someones_indie-config
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tantek because I for one don't understand
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tantek (maybe I'm being dumb, but the steps need to be pretty simple, like add <script src="…"> elements, with <script>var loadindieConfig …</script> etc. )
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tantek the point is that https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config#How_to_load_someones_indie-config is insufficient right now. there needs to be a step 1:, step 2:, step 3: etc.
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tantek and even better, how to test that it's properly setup / hooked up
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voxpelli +1, I think indie-config is written with no specific use, like indie-action, in mind – will try to fix asap
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voxpelli tantek: how do you typically do such code referal on the wiki? embedding yet another big chunk of code feels a bit heavy, but perhaps the best way?
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tantek voxpelli: I've seen folks link to github
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tantek for larger snippets of code
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tantek but hopefully the piece of code to include on a post permalink page is very small
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tantek ideally just one or a few small <script src=""> embeds
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tantek think of documenting indie-config loading as a similar problem to how Twitter documented Tweet button "loading"
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tantek https://dev.twitter.com/web/tweet-button
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voxpelli so basically more or less pointing to my scripts in a bit and telling people to use them? :)
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tantek except your documentation should obviously be *simpler* than Twitter's documentation
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tantek since we don't have all those various params and such to bother with that Twitter has
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voxpelli yep
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tantek the point is - look at how small the code snippets are on https://dev.twitter.com/web/tweet-button#using-javascript
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tantek that's how small the code snippets for loading indie-config should be on /indie-config
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aaronpk that's a tough one, the reason twitter's code snippets are small is because twitter is hosting the large JS file
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tantek aaronpk no that's a false association
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voxpelli well, I can point to GitHub and tell people to download it from there
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aaronpk why?
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tantek you don't need to host the JS for small code snippets
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aaronpk this is the actual code https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js
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tantek it's not a requirement
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aaronpk that's not small at all
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tantek instead of an absolute URL for the <script src> you put a relative URL
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tantek and then you say "copy this JS from this github to a file called blah.js on your server"
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aaronpk right yeah. i thought you were saying that'd be too many steps
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tantek ergo, small example, not dependent on hosting
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tantek no we were talking about keeping the code samples small
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tantek we don't even have a # of steps to critique as being too many yet!
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tantek so I'm not sure where you got that idea ;)
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kylewm huh, what *would* github do if you did <script src="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com/master/js/indieconfig.js">
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aaronpk kylewm: people do that all the time, it's fine
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gRegor` Should work fine
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gRegor` I've seen it in the wild
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kylewm ah nice
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voxpelli I think they prefer if people adds the script to a GitHub Pages site though
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aaronpk ah yeah good call
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voxpelli (not that I will suggest that people got-link the scripts from my blogs GitHub Page :P)
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voxpelli s/got/hot/
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Loqi voxpelli meant to say: (not that I will suggest that people hot-link the scripts from my blogs GitHub Page :P)
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tantek depends on how dangerously they want to live / be on their site I suppose
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tantek.com edited /indie-config (+341) "/* How to load someones indie-config */ capture Needs update to be simpler than comparable Twitter instructions at least" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se edited /indie-config () "(-1073) Drastically simplified the indie-config consume example" (view diff)
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voxpelli boom – how is that two-liner? ;)
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kodfabrik.se edited /indie-config (-4) "Fixed some invalid grammar" (view diff)
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jonathantneal.com created /Talk:Main_Page (+29) "Created page with "What is a “skip to” link?"" (view diff)
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tantek what the what
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voxpelli basically my blog already has the two needed parts: the config loader and the webactions shim, so I now point to them as references and point out how to load them – should work out of the box for everyone
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jonathantneal.com created /skip-to_link (+29) "(prompted by tantek)" (view diff)
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tantek voxpelli++ thanks for that How to consume improvement!
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jonathantneal.com edited /Talk:Main_Page (+102) (view diff)
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tantek lolol
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tantek aaronpk - yeah, we should hide that Discussion link
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tantek or redirect to here (the IRC channel)
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aaronpk ha
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tantek with the msg "Hey I have a question about %%PAGEURL%%"
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myfreeweb hey everyone
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myfreeweb i have a weird problem with indieauth
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voxpelli kylewm: tantek: we should perhaps address in the indie-config FAQ the concerns kylewm had about the indie-config js shim and the fact that it's just a prototype step
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myfreeweb it started saying that the 'code' parameter isn't found
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tantek voxpelli - could you capture it as an /indie-config#FAQ ?
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voxpelli tantek: not sure I fully grasped the question and the answer, perhaps kylewm or you could add it? you could probably express it better
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tantek voxpelli - better yet - the question is "Why?"
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tantek need to expand this section: https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config#Why
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voxpelli oh, true, ok – I'll give it a try
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kylewm my concern was more... this seems confusing and jury-rigged with the iframe and timeout
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kylewm doesn't have the feel of something that is going to be widely deployed
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aaronparecki.com deleted /Talk:Main_Page "no talk page"
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kylewm i hope that is not rude to say :)
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aaronparecki.com edited /skip-to_link (+102) "copy definition from jonathantneal.com edit" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /skip-to_link (+3) "'''" (view diff)
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kylewm but the answer -- it's just a temporary way to experiment and figure out the behavior we eventually want -- is satisfying
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myfreeweb I've checked with mitmproxy, my app sending the POST request to indieauth like this "code=c0...ZA&redirect_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fquill.p3k.io%2Fauth%2Fcallback&client_id=https%3A%2F%2Fquill.p3k.io&state=5...2"
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myfreeweb oh snap, looks like it doesn't send the Content-Type header
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kylewm btw, added Reply and Like actions and voxpelli's js filse, and it "just worked"!
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kylewm voxpelli++ nice work!
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tantek aaronpk++ !
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voxpelli kylewm: indie-config is a crazy crazy hack ;)
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aaronpk and also uneditable if you do manage to track one down
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voxpelli so not rude at all
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kylewm ok thanks :)
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aaronpk myfreeweb: and you're sure you're sending that in the post body and not query string?
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tantek kylewm - it's always OK to start with a jurry-rigged hack to get something working! just to explore the UX and then iterate on it
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myfreeweb aaronpk: yes
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myfreeweb it stopped working without any changes on my side
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tantek waits for voxpelli to edit https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config#Why before taking a crack at it
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myfreeweb adding the content-type header right now
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kodfabrik.se edited /indie-config (+273) "/* Why */" (view diff)
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aaronpk hm I don't think I changed anything recently
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voxpelli tantek: done :)
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tantek voxpelli well done!
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myfreeweb not that recently, that happened, like, a month ago maybe
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myfreeweb yeaaah works now
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myfreeweb not sending the content-type header was a silly mistake, but you probably should document that on /developers
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aaronpk huh interesting, sure
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myfreeweb right now it's just "POST https://indieauth.com/auth" (which is not real http even), then the body
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myfreeweb it should contain Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded;charset=UTF-8
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aaronpk myfreeweb: fixed :)
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aaronpk added the "HTTP/1.1" for you too
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tantek.com edited /indie-config (+277) "move TOC so Why reads better, add By adding loading paragraph to why" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: might want to update https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config#Kyle_Mahan since you've gotten it working ;)
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myfreeweb nice. I haven't even noticed the lack of "HTTP/1.1", I've noticed the host after POST, not in the Host header :D
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tantek kylewm - wait does this mean you're supporting *both* sides of indie-config on your own site, and that clicking the buttons/links that you added works to redirect you to your own posting interface to reply to your own posts?
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aaronpk oh yeah it's missing the host
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KevinMarks_ afternoon
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KevinMarks_ reads scrollback
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kylewm tantek: yep, both sides are working
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KevinMarks_ apparently if I link to 2 indieweb pages from one tweet bridgy sends everything twice?
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tantek kylewm++ (!!!)
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KevinMarks_ kylewm - I missed your question
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: yes that is the correct thing for bridgy to do
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tantek kylewm - and now that you have that working, do you find it a useful shortcut for writing a follow-up reply / clarifying comment on one of your own notes?
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kylewm tantek: credit goes to voxpelli, i didn't do anything but copy/paste
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aaronpk webmention.io should be smarter about clustering notifications it sends to IRC tho
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KevinMarks_ aha
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KevinMarks_ OK
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tantek aaronpk you should add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config#IndieWeb_Examples also!
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aaronpk tantek: i don't even remember if i still have it working
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tantek since you (aaronpk) did do the video and all!
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tantek http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/09/10/1/webactions
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kylewm KevinMarks_: so you have <div class="h-feed"><div class="h-entry e-content">...</div>...</div>, which means that the feed has a content property with a bunch of h-entry's as values
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kylewm I wondered if that was intentional?
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KevinMarks_ oh
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tantek KevinMarks is getting schooled on his microformats by kylewm ;)
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KevinMarks_ oops, I thought "h-entry e-content" would put the content of the div into the h-entry
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tantek digs up an FAQ on exactly that
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KevinMarks_ so I need another wrapper div?
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kylewm I think so; (that was why mf2util/woodwind couldn't find any h-entrys)
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tantek KevinMarks: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#nesting-properties
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KevinMarks_ I was assuming the flattening stuff was smarter than it is
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KevinMarks_ right, tantek, but I was overassuming with the mf2 rules
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tantek KevinMarks: the flattening stuff was about flattening of hierarchical *properties* into a flat set of properties
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tantek you've always needed a root vs. properties distinction
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KevinMarks_ right, but the implicit properties behave like that too
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KevinMarks_ got it
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kylewm.com edited /indie-config (-179) "/* Kyle Mahan */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ and shrewdness was working because it looked for u-photo explicitly?
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KevinMarks_ which woodwind doesnt?
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kylewm my guess is shrewdness grabs all h-entrys on the page?
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (-29) "update Working On / indie-config loading - it's simpler and proven out!" (view diff)
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kylewm oh... interesting, yes barnaby's doing something clever with u-photo too, which I don't
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KevinMarks_ is there a case for an implicit e-content like implicit p-name ?
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KevinMarks_ makes sense for h-entry, maybe for h-review etc?
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tantek.com edited /webactions (+422) "/* Kyle Mahan */ note dropped when theme simplified, then recently re-added" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ kylewm: does wooodwind have a test parsing page like shrewdness?
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KevinMarks_ it seems to have cached the old parsed ones
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kylewm KevinMarks_: this is effectively the same thing https://kylewm.com/services/mf2util
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tantek kylewm: what do you think of adding indie-config loading to Woodwind?
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kylewm oh except that doesn't parse as an h-feed
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tantek then you could one-click like/reply any of the posts you view in Woodwind
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kylewm tantek: ohhh that's a great idea if the person doesn't have micropub
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tantek it also makes it so that they don't have to give Woodwind full posting permission to their personal site!
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kylewm I'm not as sensitive to that as others :)
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tantek (that's a good thing, in the same way we encourage "apps" in general to not "ask for all the permissions")
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tantek kylewm: sure - think of it as a good example of how it can be done :)
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aaronpk you also wrote the app ;)
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aaronpk that's a great example of why both methods are useful tho
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kylewm KevinMarks_: ok it should work with feeds now
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kylewm ok I will think about how I can auth first, ask for write-permissions later
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aaronpk there's a chapter in my book about this ;)
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aaronpk seems like google and twitter are on speaking terms again http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/05/twitter-confirms-new-google-firehose-deal-to-distribute-traffic-to-logged-out-users/
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tantek kylewm - awesome. the beauty of loading indie-config is that for at least those two actions - you don't have to ask for permission. or you could ask for micropub permission as a fallback if indie-config loading timesout.
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tantek aaronpk: I hope that means Google fixes their real time search handling in general, or at least restores the PuSH receiving / indexing they had until early last year!
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aaronpk yeah I wonder!
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tantek I think once Google lost the tweet results, they just turned the whole realtime thing off
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tantek I'm hoping that they just flip the switch back on and everything comes humming back to full functionlity
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kylewm they must have a common enemy
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tantek the social network that shall not be named? ;)
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tantek except, drop the "the" ;)
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