#indiewebcamp 2015-03-03

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@indiewebcamp RT @t: going to Homebrew Website Club @TheCreamerySF March 11. Indie event http://werd.io/2015/homebrew-website-club-march-11-2015 silo https://www.facebook.com/events/1605342076364274 (ttk.me t4_w3) (twitter.com/_/status/572543897613697024)
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@indiewebcamp RT @benwerd: We just released a new version of self-hosted Known. Lots of new features and improvements. http://stream.withknown.com/2015/known-075-has-left-the-building (twitter.com/_/status/572543783591493632)
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KevinMarks__ 10th anniversary of BarCamp: http://www.eventbrite.com/e/barcamp-miami-2015-tickets-654983072
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tantek manually POSSEing my comment on a FB event.
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tantek pours one out for Bridgy Publish of FB Comments
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tantek KevinMarks: neither Messina nor I have anything to do with that
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tantek just FYI
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tantek expect an actual 10th anniversary to happen in August - nearer the actual 10th
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KevinMarks__ I know, which is kind of the point - the 1st BarCamp Miami was 200*?
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KevinMarks__ 2008
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tantek you do know the #barcamp channel is still there right? ;)
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KevinMarks__ it was the same time as FoWA Miami
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KevinMarks__ sorry
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tantek :)
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tantek even if it is quite small - let's restart it for the 10th anniversary
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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dougmckown Any WP users here?
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Loqi dougmckown: GWG left you a message on 1/11 at 6:22pm: Not a problem
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dougmckown I have a web sign-in questions
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GWG dougmckown: What is the question?
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GWG tantek: I thought about staying for part of LibrePlanet
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dougmckown Where do I put <link rel="me" href="https://twitter.com/dougmckown" /> ?
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GWG It should be href="" rel="me">
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dougmckown Okay. I copied that from an indiewebcamp.com article.
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dougmckown So it should be: <link href="https://twitter.com/dougmckown" rel="me" />
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kylewm the order of the attributes shouldn't matter
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kylewm right GWG?
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dougmckown @kylewm: that's what I thought
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dougmckown Which wordpress file shoudl I place that line of code?
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kylewm ideally it should be the <head> of your document, I defer to GWG on the WP way to do that
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kylewm dougmckown, you can also use visible links (<a rel="me" href="https://twitter.com/...">) in the body
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dougmckown So, if it's just a standard link in the menu, that counts?
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GWG I usually put it in the header. But Not in the head
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GWG dougmckown: That is where I put it
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dougmckown Which PHP file creates the header?
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dougmckown I thought the Indieauth plugin did this for me.
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GWG There is an old plugin, indieauth links
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GWG Dougmckown, if you want to hack it in, it is the header file in your theme.
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dougmckown GWG: Is that how you'd do it?
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GWG I made a widget to do it
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dougmckown GWG, I used the indieauth links plugin, thanks.
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dougmckown Can anyone offer guidance on adding h-card to my site and adding h-entry to my posts?
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gRegor` Cleaning up hacked WordPress for a friend . . .
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gRegor` WordPress--
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Loqi WordPress has -5 karma
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aaronpk aw
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gRegor` May be the final motivator for her to move away from WP though
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dougmckown gRegor`: I'd move away from WP if there was another indieweb-enabled blogging platform that didn't require a command line. Any suggestions?
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aaronpk Known? :D
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gRegor` Known is a great option, though I don't have experience installing it on my own server.
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dougmckown It's a joy to use, but there is no ability to add static pages.
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dougmckown Not with the .org version, anyway.
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aaronpk ah yeah that was a major limitation that caseorganic was considering as well
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gRegor` Depending what indieweb-enabled features you mean, ProcessWire is a solid choice IMO. I'm in the process of migrating my site to ProcessWire and writing a webmention plugin for it.
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dougmckown My main IW feature is tweet-cloning to my site along with the ability to pull in twitter replies and favorites to my sites. On WP, I use Twitter Tools and Social by MailChimp.
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gRegor` Ah. I use webmention + brid.gy for twitter replies
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dougmckown But brid.gy doesn't clone tweets to my site.
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dougmckown To get full IW functionality, WP requires over a dozen plugins.
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dougmckown Has anyone here had any luck with adding IW features to a Squarespace site?
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dougmckown gregor: does Processwire have any IW features now?
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gRegor` Why not publish notes on your site first and syndicate to Twitter?
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GWG dougmckown: why not just use SemPress?
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GWG dougmckown: We're working on the dozen plugins
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dougmckown gregor: because syndicating a post that's under 140 characters still pushes a URL to twitter, and because I haven't found a way to syndicate *just* the post and not the title to twitter. I've tried dozens of twitter syndication tools. They all have these problems.
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dougmckown gregor: to solve these problems, I have decided to push tweets (and replies) to WP instead. That means that I have a non-silo version and replies.
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gRegor` dougmckown: brid.gy supports publishing to twitter sans linkback. I do it regularly. https://www.brid.gy/about#omit-link
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gRegor` If your notes are marked up with mf2, bridgy should properly pull in the text. You can use the interactive publish mode to paste in your link and see a preview of the tweet to be sent.
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kylewm dougmckown: is it true Known doesn't support static pages even with this plugin? https://github.com/idno/StaticPages
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dougmckown gregor: thanks, I did know that was an option. I thought brid.gy was just for pulling replies, favorites, likes, etc.
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gRegor` Oh, yeah. Bridgy publish is pretty awesome.
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gRegor` Let us know if you run into any problems with it.
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dougmckown kylewm: thanks, I didn't known about that plugin. I'll try it.
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dougmckown gregor: that plugin might push me back to Known, from WP. It would be nice that have IW features out of the box.
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dougmckown GWG: what does sempress give me in IW teerms?
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dougmckown gregor: another reason to push tweets is becasue it's easier to share a link via twitter than with WP when on a mobile device.
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tantek GWG, I decided to not stay for librething
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GWG dougmckown: It is an mf2 marked up theme
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GWG tantek: I have a friend going. I would have stayed till Saturday morning anyway. Might as well swing through on my way out of Dodge
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dougmckown gwg: I use Graphy, which supports microformats https://wordpress.org/themes/tags/microformats/
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GWG dougmckown: THat is Microformats 1
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tantek interesting - is it possible to update Graphy to support mf2?
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GWG tantek: All things are possible.
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dougmckown gregor: which indieweb features does PreocessWire support?
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GWG tantek: It is based on _s, the same starter theme SemPress and my MF2_s fork are based on
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kylewm too bad you can't git rebase wordpress themes :)
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dougmckown GWG: tantek: I didn't know that grapohy was microformats 1...in fact until now I didn't know that there were multiple versions of them
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dougmckown tantek: i don't know
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kylewm dougmckown: you have to use the full username including backtick to highlight gRegor`
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GWG dougmckown: There's a lot I have trouble explaining to people
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gRegor` Oops, sorry
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dougmckown Does mf1 mean that I can't have h-card and h-entry
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dougmckown gregor`: okay. didn't know that
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GWG dougmckown: mf1 is vcard and hentry
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gRegor` dougmckown: I am working on a webmention plugin for ProcessWire. It's "close" but I've been really busy. Hopefully I can launch a beta within a month.
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GWG dougmckown: It's just the earlier standard.
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kylewm I think it's fair to say ProcessWire would be a lot more DIY than Known or Wordpress
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dougmckown gregor`: does it have any IW features now?
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gRegor` I don't think ProcessWire has any microformats-enabled themes currently, so it would require editing templates to set it up.
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dougmckown kylewm: crap. I'm looking for less DIY than WP, not more.
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gRegor` Yeah, like kylewm said, it's definitely not a 1:1 comparison with WordPress.
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GWG dougmckown: The truth is, there will be less DIY for WordPress in the futue.
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GWG dougmckown: We're not there yet
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GWG dougmckown: Always looking for help on that
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gRegor` dougmckown: Do you know PHP?
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Loqi slack/kylewm: <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/i-know-php.jpg>
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bret lol
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dougmckown gregor`: no, but PHP is in my lynda.com queue
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gRegor` You can install ProcessWire with the blog profile (included in the download) as easily as WordPress, IMO. http://modules.processwire.com/modules/blog-profile/ From there it depends what indieweb functionality you want.
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dougmckown GWG: I'm happy to help out. I can test plugins. I am a former software tester.
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gRegor` First customization you'd probably want to add is microformats to the template. If you're comfortable with editing HTML, that's not too bad.
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GWG dougmckown: Most themes can get a basic mf2 by just added h-card where there is vcard, h-entry where there is hentry, etc. There are some other issues with the mf1 standard as implemented on WordPress
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GWG dougmckown: Feel free to test anything I develop.
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GWG dougmckown: I have a starter theme that uses MF2, as well as a few plugins I'm developing to make things easier.
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dougmckown GWG: Which PHP file gest an h-card entry?
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dougmckown GWG: h-entry would be per-post, correct? Or can that be enabled just once for all posts?
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GWG dougmckown: If you edit a theme, you should be able to find it in the theme, and then it would be on all posts. Remember, the theme is a template applied to all posts.
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dougmckown gregor`: I am comfortable with HTML, but am not sure whare to put the h-card and h-entry code.
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dougmckown GWG: where would I find your plugins to test?
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gRegor` dougmckown: GWG is your man for WordPress help on themes. :)
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gRegor` If you want to try out ProcessWire, though, let me know.
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GWG dougmckown: In the repo, you can start with Indieweb Post Kinds. That's the biggest one.
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gRegor` What's your personal site, dougmckown?
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dougmckown dougmckown.com (main site) and dougmckown.me for testing/tinkering
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dougmckown GWG: is Indieweb Post Kinds yours?
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GWG dougmckown: Correct.
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GWG dougmckown: It's evolving
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dougmckown Are you David?
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GWG dougmckown: Also correct
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@madeofcoconut RT @aaronpk: New #indieweb business model? "I just sent myself a Woof" https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/572580552500387840)
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dougmckown GWG: perfect. SYndication Links gives me this error: Fatal error: Cannot redeclare store_bridgy_publish_link() (previously declared in /home/fermenta/public_html/dougmckown_com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-syndication-master/rel-syndication.php:192) in /home/fermenta/public_html/dougmckown_com/wp-content/plugins/syndication-links/bridgy.php on line 7
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GWG dougmckown: I try to fill in gaps. I'm also working on Syndication Links, in the repo, and a few others.
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GWG dougmckown: Rel-syndication and Syndication Links do not play together.
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GWG dougmckown: I am gradually absorbing their code, as Jihaisse isn't updating any longer.
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dougmckown GWG: if I deactivate rel-syndication, will yours work?
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GWG I am working on getting the Social and SNAP integration functions in.
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GWG dougmckown: Mine is manual, not automatic. But yes.
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dougmckown GWG: I'll wait, then, since rel-syndication is working for me.
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GWG dougmckown: Okay. You are also welcome to contribute feature suggestions, code, etc.
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gRegor` dougmckown: Cool. Have you signed in to the wiki yet? You can add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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dougmckown gregor`: Thanks, I'll add myself as soon as I can get web sign-in to work. My site includes re=me links to silos that have links back to me, but I still can't sign in.
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gRegor` dougmckown: I think the common experience is that github seems to work best. For Twitter rel=me I had to update the URL on my twitter bio once to get it to work; I think there was an issue with Twitter's t.co URL shortener.
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GWG dougmckown: If there is anything I can do to help...
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gRegor` ("works best" with indieauth, that is)
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dougmckown gregor`: I have links to github, twitter and app.net
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dougmckown <!-- indieAuth Links --> <link rel="me" href="https://github.com/dougmckown" /> <link rel="me" href="https://app.net/dougmckown" /> <link rel="me" href="https://twitter.com/dougmckown" /> <!-- /indieAuth Links -->
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kylewm that should do it
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dougmckown gregor`: when I try to sign in, then use app.net to authorize, it tells me that it can't find https://alpha.app.net (not app.net)
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gRegor` Hmm. Has anyone else used indieauth with app.net? aaronpk?
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dougmckown gregor`: never mind, I tried again, and twitter and github shows up as options. I used twitter and I'm logged in to indiewebcamp.org
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gRegor` Woo!
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gRegor` dougmckown++
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Loqi dougmckown has 1 karma
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dougmckown gregor`: where do I add myself to irc-people? Altthough Im not sure that I qaulify, since I have more questions than answers.
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gRegor` You're here in IRC people, that qualifies!
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gRegor` Click "Edit" by the Nicknames sub-heading
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pdurbin teaches dougmckown the secret handshake
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gRegor` Then use the template like in other lines, just insert yours alphabetically by nick.
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gRegor` {{irc user|domain.com|IRC nickname`|timezone|[optional avatar image URL]}}
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gRegor` sans that stray backtick
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gRegor` I just throw them everywhere
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pdurbin heh
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dougmckown gregor`: I see what happened, I loggin in to indiewebcamp, then clicked the link above to irc people which is http:// and it would send me to the logged out version of the page.
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gRegor` Ahh
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dougmckown gwg: where do I put h-card and h-entry in my WP site? I'm using a child theme and a Graphy as a parent theme.
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dougmckown Any people is the philly area? I'd love to have an indieweb camp here.
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@BillSeitz RT @kevinmarks: Wondering if there is an #indieweb way to build such backchannels. http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2015/03/01/starting-your-own-feminist-backchannel/ (twitter.com/_/status/572591408189612032)
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GWG Anywhere you see vcard and hentry
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acegiak So a bunch of the people I've talked to in my social circles that are interested in having their own indieweb site currently have no website at all and I'm trying to find the most cost effective but flexible solution for them
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 1 day, 11 hours ago: The new version of Post Kinds is out
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acegiak oh neat!
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acegiak So I'm wondering if maybe something like amazon cloud services is a nice flexible entry point
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acegiak rather than saying "ok, now drop $150 on a 3 year hosting contract"
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GWG I've been doing lowend hosting
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acegiak as in you're hosting for people?
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GWG No
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GWG As in I host my test site on a $12/year server
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kylewm acegiak: do you mean like, you'd admin a server to share between multiple people?
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kylewm tilde.club style
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acegiak kylewm, no my site is currently hosted on a machine I run in my house, but I don't trust myself enough to host other people's sites
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acegiak GWG: who is that through?
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kylewm AWS is pretty expensive for that use-case
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acegiak I just liked the flexibility
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acegiak cause the problem I had was that I was using a paid host and then I started using too much processing time and they got shitty so I had to go through the hassle of migrating to my own server
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GWG http://lowendbox.com/
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GWG I just look on here
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Loqi slack/snarfed: acegiak: are these technical people who want to do their own sysadmin, etc? if not, this all sounds too low level
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Loqi slack/snarfed: maybe something more like hosted known
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acegiak yeah hosted known is top of my list
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acegiak cause yeah, these are totally non-technical people
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acegiak well, not totally non-technical
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acegiak digital natives
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Loqi slack/snarfed: ok. still, AWS is for engineers/ops people. I'd never recommend anyone else use any AWS product, except maybe outliers like mechanical turk
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acegiak yeah
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acegiak that makes sense
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Loqi slack/snarfed: recommend them something fully hosted
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acegiak yeah. it's just a matter of finding the price point/flexibility
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acegiak doesn't help that our dollar is so awful against the US at the moment
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acegiak Australia is learning a hard lesson about electing a government whose platform is racism and austerity measures
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Loqi slack/snarfed: ugh
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Loqi slack/snarfed: there are plenty of free hosted options. e.g. known, but you can also make blogger, tumblr, and <http://wordpress.com|wordpress.com> pretty indieweb
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hmans Woohoo u-like-of: http://indiebob.herokuapp.com/2015/03/03/hi-i-m-bob
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Loqi slack/snarfed: even sending and receiving webmentions, with bridgy
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hmans Gah, I messed up my deduplication again.
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acegiak yeah, I want to try and start them off genuinely owning their own data
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acegiak need to talk to benwerd about the known->knownpro flow
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benwerd happy to answer any questions :)
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acegiak oh hey!
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acegiak also: Did you see the post about the weird dream I had about you guys?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: eh. owning data isn't necessarily about owning the server, hosting, etc. you're always at some point on the spectrum. your own domain is the main part
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acegiak yeah, that makes sense
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acegiak benwerd: does known have a reader/aggregator of any kind yet?
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benwerd acegiak: we've written a bunch of code for one, but it's not something anyone can use yet
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benwerd That wasn't a dream
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benwerd We were genuinely just faffing in the library.
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acegiak lol
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acegiak is your reader going to support RSS/atom as well as mf2?
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benwerd Yes
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acegiak neat.
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acegiak Also, I'm assuming to run extra plugins one needs to migrate off onto a private server?
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benwerd We actually do have the ability to run custom plugins on our infrastructure on a per-site basis
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benwerd But for obvious reasons we have to be careful about it - they've got to be approved, and it's generally a paid thing
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acegiak neat!
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acegiak that's the kind of flexibility I was curious about
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hmans benwerd, what's the technology stack for Known? Node?
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benwerd Actually, no: LAMP, where the M is optionally MySQL or MongoDB
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acegiak awesome
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hmans benwerd, optionally? Can I choose one, or can it even run without any database?
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benwerd It's PHP 5.4+ and some plugins, with some use of Apache mod_rewrite rules (but people have got it working with nginx etc)
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benwerd It needs a database
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benwerd The database layer is abstracted - MySQL support is one file - so I definitely welcome open source flat file contributions
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benwerd (Flat files could just be another database plugin to the system)
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hmans I always thought I should have gone the PHP route for Pants for maximum web "portability", but I just couldn't be bothered to deal with the language any more. :/
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hmans re databases, I've been enjoying PostgreSQL a lot lately. Best of both worlds from RDBMS and document databases (with the latest JSONB stuff.)
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benwerd PHP is soooo much better than it used to be. I genuinely enjoy writing it.
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hmans benwerd, I need to check it out eventually; I've been hearing that a lot.
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hmans My last PHP was from 2005 or so.
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benwerd Oh, man. Yeah, it's a different world.
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benwerd Real OOP, namespaces and clojures, for me, made an enormous difference.
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hmans Done pretty much nothing but Ruby since then, and often I feel it sort of ruined me for all other languages.
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hmans It kind of bugs me since there's heaps of interesting stuff going on in other languages right now.
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hmans I'm kind of hoping that a couple of years from now, container based hosting will be just as omnipresent as simple LAMP stack web space type hosting, so we can go crazy with all sorts of obscure technology stacks without losing users. I'd love to build something with OpenResty (nginx + Lua, it's crazy fast and very hackable)
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benwerd I second this. LAMP was a practical decision because it could be installed almost anywhere. It'd be cool to be able to mix and match to make the best possible machine.
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@dougmckown @mko I've been tinkering with #indieweb projects. Looking forward to indie.js. Need any help testing it? (twitter.com/_/status/572631392334565376)
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hmans benwerd, how do you run recurring tasks in a modern PHP app? Still Cronjobs?
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hmans ie., let's say you were writing an aggregator that needs to poll sites every n minutes.
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benwerd I still use cron, yes
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benwerd Certainly for that use case
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hmans That's one of my major gripes with PHP as a platform (not language)... in the end, it's still mostly about scripting Apache workers instead of thinking in terms of having long-running application processes. Granted, this is what makes it easy to deploy. Hm.
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KevinMarks Gratuitous html5 bashing in the Marissa profile https://medium.com/backchannel/marissa-mayer-has-completed-step-one-71dc31912855
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks Is this Levy person actually know HTML5 stuff?
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KartikPrabhu I ask in all earnesty I don't know him/his background etc...
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KevinMarks I don't think so directly. The native app thing is a bit of a trope
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KevinMarks As the app startups die off it will revert
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pfefferle good morning
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pfefferle !tell GWG I have to do some more changes to the semantic linkbacks plugin, to be more extensible (custom post types for example) and have to fix some bugs I found yesterday (this isn’t work very well https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/blob/master/semantic-linkbacks.php#L129)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Good morning
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Loqi GWG: pfefferle left you a message 1 hour, 45 minutes ago: I have to do some more changes to the semantic linkbacks plugin, to be more extensible (custom post types for example) and have to fix some bugs I found yesterday (this isn’t work very well https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/blob/master/semantic-linkbacks.php#L129)
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GWG pfefferle: What was the problem with that line?
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GWG pfefferle: You could try this... https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/30627
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@iamronen @kirilind @derhess I am assuming that indieweb is striving for higher standards than what most hosting providers :) (twitter.com/_/status/572742580284354560)
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pfefferle_ GWG yes, that seems to be the problem… found a quick fix that seems even more elegant that the original code anyways :)
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pfefferle !tell GWG GWG yes, that seems to be the problem… found a quick fix that seems even more elegant that the original code anyways :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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gRegor` Morning, tantek!
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tantek this is good reading: http://hueniverse.com/2015/02/24/why-i-do-not-support-a-node-foundation/
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tantek essentially, why we should never make an "indieweb foundation"
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gRegor` ^ tantek: Could you add a description of what a "curlable" URL means?
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tantek a curlable URL is one where you can use the curl command line tool to request the URL via http(s), and receive back HTML with visible contents
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tantek gRegor`: somehow I thought "curl" was the canonical spelling
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tantek oh I guess not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CURL
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gRegor` Yeah, I followed Wikipedia
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gRegor` Wonder if "cURL" capitalization works on the command line though, heh
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tantek looks like there are three categories of folks who are posting indieweb content vs. silo content
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tantek 1) ownyourdata - 100% of posts (e.g. at least of one post type) they post on their own site first, then POSSE to a silo, e.g. notes to Twitter
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Loqi !calc 1) ownyourdata - 100% of posts (e.g. at least of one post type) they post on their own site first, then POSSE to a silo, e.g. notes to Twitter
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tantek 2) ownsomedata - some of their posts they post on their own site first, then POSSE
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tantek 3) sharecropper - none of their posts (of at least one post type) they post to their own site first, but instead always post to silos first, e.g. Twitter
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tantek wondering how to document this, because it shows how committed they are to their own website and to an independent web. i.e. if you're not living it (or at least trying to, even partially), you don't really believe in it.
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gRegor` What is ownyourdata
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Loqi own your data is one of the principles of the IndieWeb and is an encouragement to always post content directly to your own domain with permalinks that you control instead of posting to silos (or only posting copies of your posts to silos per POSSE, and if so, preferably both automatically & with permashortlinks back to your original posts) https://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata
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gRegor` What is ownsomedata
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ownsomedata" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ownsomedata&summary=prompted+by+gRegor%60+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-03%2Fline%2F1425402730008
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gRegor` I am ownsomedata on notes, because sometimes Twitter app is just quicker to post something.
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gRegor` The majority of those I do manually copy back to my site later.
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tantek ownsomedata is when an indieweb site user/owner only posts some of their content (perhaps of a certain type) on their own domain first, then POSSEs it to silos, and instead posts some or most content on silos first.
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Loqi ok
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tantek gRegor`: feel free to add yourself to /ownsomedata#IndieWeb_Examples ^^^
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tantek with that explanation
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gRegor` I think about 75% of my notes originate on my site, though.
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tantek good! make a note of that
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gRegor` The iPad Twitter app has a "copy URL of Tweet" option, but the Android Twitter app does not - when you go to copy on Android it adds some text like "Check out @username's tweet: URL"
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gRegor` So it's difficult on my phone to reply to a tweet from my own site.
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tantek what is an iPad?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "iPad" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=iPad&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-03%2Fline%2F1425403436753
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tantek this is important to keep in mind: https://twitter.com/iamronen/status/572742580284354560
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@iamronen @kirilind @derhess I am assuming that indieweb is striving for higher standards than what most hosting providers :) (twitter.com/_/status/572742580284354560)
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gRegor` iPad is a tablet designed by Apple.
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Loqi ok
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tantek gRegor`: your indieweb challenges of using an iPad should/could go on that page
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tantek so we at least capture and keep track of where we have problems to solve like that, real problems that people have encountered
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gRegor` I expanded it.
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gRegor` The challenge is with my phone, Android app, not iPad
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tantek gRegor`: I believe others have "solved" the Android app replying challenge
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tantek e.g. benwerd, snarfed
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gRegor` Yeah, something with a small custom Android app / a server that redirects. I saw something about that at Cambridge IWC
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gRegor` I think ben_thatmustbeme had that running?
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tantek oh right
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tantek what is Android?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Android" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Android&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-03%2Fline%2F1425404061882
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ben_thatmustbeme I had what running?
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gRegor` Morning, ben.
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gRegor` At IWC there was an app/server thingy for replying to Tweets from Android, I think?
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ben_thatmustbeme not me
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gRegor` Hmm
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ben_thatmustbeme twitter app doesn't even have a share button, on "Copy link to tweet"
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ben_thatmustbeme which is annoying, but I can manage it
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gRegor` The app added a custom "Share to..." option
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gRegor` It annoys me that "Copy link to tweet" isn't *just* the link.
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ben_thatmustbeme it is for me
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ben_thatmustbeme on android
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ben_thatmustbeme i can reply to tweets from mobilepub, just copy link to tweet and past in to reply-to field in mobilepub
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gRegor` Hm. Actually, I only have "Copy to clipboard" under Share to
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gRegor` Where is "Copy link to tweet"?
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ben_thatmustbeme i want to get a custom share activity, but haven't done that yet. and twitter doesn't support it :(
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gRegor` Oh geez. Found it.
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gRegor` "Copy link to tweet" is in the context menu from the top right, *not* under the "Share" icon. That's odd.
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ben_thatmustbeme ohhh, there it is
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm
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gRegor` This will help me immensely. Thank you!
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gRegor` I thought it seemed like a pretty big oversight on Twitter's part to have it in one app but not the other.
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ben_thatmustbeme oh yeah, i remember why i stopped looking at that for the time being... phonegap build doesn't support the plugin for it yet, so I could make it work for myself but I had wanted to use the build service to make in available for iOS
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@psyartpsychill PbMorlen: Check out my new book page at Amazon @ http://target.georiot.com/badlink.html?badlink=http://redirect.booklinker.net:51001/Proxy.ashx Book IV Ready to go!! Ebook soon. #Fantasy #Visionary #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/572817029771730944)
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snarfed !tell gRegor` you've seen https://snarfed.org/easy-indieweb-interactions-on-android ? doesn't solve the 'Check out X's tweet' thing specifically, but it does provide for indie reply/like/repost generally
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek what is Android?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Android" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Android&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-03%2Fline%2F1425407100237
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KevinMarks Android is an open source operating system for mobile devices (AOSP) combined with a set of proprietary cloud services provided by Google
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Loqi ok
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tantek snarfed, add your post / tool to ^^^ ?
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benwerd Potentially of interest to indiewebbers: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/letters/cpbr-act-of-2015-discussion-draft.pdf
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tantek bendwerd: pdf;dr
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kylewm this is interesting wrt pubsubhubbub, julien said there's nothing wrong with one publisher using multiple hubs, and a subscriber would subscribe to all of them https://twitter.com/julien51/status/572829172835491841
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@julien51 @kylewm2 They should subscribe to both. Redundancy is always a good thing. (twitter.com/_/status/572829172835491841)
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aaronpk oh hadn't thought about that
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KevinMarks as you're deduping anyway
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aaronpk right, the PuSH notification is just notification of new content, not an actual payload
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aaronpk and even if it is a fat ping and contains the payload, it still has to provide a unique ID for the entry
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tantek lol at "has to provide a unique ID for the entry"
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tantek unfunded publisher mandates :P
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KevinMarks where unique Id is URL that you can check it exists at
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aaronpk Yeah I meant the URL?
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aaronpk I mean URL. No ?
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tantek as in canonical permalink?
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tantek sure, that works, for as long as it is
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tantek then people can change it in the future and redirect
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bear FYI for anyone using Gitorious for their git repos: http://lwn.net/Articles/635358/rss "GitLab and Gitorious have announced that GitLab will acquire Gitorious. "Starting today, Gitorious.org users can import their existing projects into GitLab.com by clicking the “Import projects from Gitorious.org” link when creating a new project. Gitorious.org will stay online until the end of May 2015 to give people time to migrate their repositories.
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bear ""
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tantek bear - yikes, please add to /site-deaths
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bear on it
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/572839177739481088
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@kevinmarks @andymcmillan @fox ⓍⓄⓍⓄ ⚔☯⚔☯ ⨂⨀⨂⨀ 〤〇〤〇 ⤲⟲⤩⟳ (twitter.com/_/status/572839177739481088)
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KevinMarks unicode ftw
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@bookprescom The Ultimate Guide to Creating a Killer Explainer Video >> http://www.quicksprout.com/?p=30073&utm_content=bufferbf72a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Neil Patel. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/572864168614752258)
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pfefferle snarfed are you using the semantic_linkbacks_excerpt or the semantic_linkbacks_cite filter anywhere in your code?
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pfefferle GWG what do you mean with ”ža remark about that around line 44 in the file“
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GWG pfefferle: The comment you made about how to override the text Semantic Linkback puts in...I'd paste that exact thing in as a remark in the code for anyone who wants to use it
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Loqi GWG: pfefferle left you a message 7 hours, 31 minutes ago: GWG yes, that seems to be the problem… found a quick fix that seems even more elegant that the original code anyways :)
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pfefferle GWG can you suggest me a text or is mine OK? (asking as a non native speaker)
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GWG pfefferle: Your text is okay.
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GWG I understood it
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pfefferle GWG and good grammar?
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GWG Just user everything after the ... and add before it, "To override the default."
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GWG So... "To override the default behavior, just add a filter to comment_text with a lower priority (so that it's called after this one) or remove the filter completely in your code: remove_filter('comment_text', array('SemanticLinkbacksPlugin', 'comment_text_add_cite'), 11);
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pfefferle GWG thanks
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tantek perhaps there is hope: http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-03-03/line/1425419457380
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snarfed pfefferle: GWG: you mean for my own site? yes, both
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pfefferle snarfed really? gosh!
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GWG snarfed: He's thinking of removing them
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snarfed pfefferle: GWG: here's my child theme functions.php that uses them: https://snarfed.org/functions.php.txt
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snarfed i use them to customize comment presentation
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elf-pavlik tantek, do you use some IRC alerts? ;)
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pfefferle snarfed https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/issues/19#issuecomment-77039655
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tantek elf-pavlik: no just realtime web pages ;)
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elf-pavlik :)
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snarfed pfefferle: i'm not familiar with post formats or kinds, so i don't really follow that issue
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snarfed sorry :/
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pfefferle snarfed I meant that comment https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/issues/19#issuecomment-77041080
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pfefferle snarfed GWG but I will leave both filters as they are, to support existing hacks like snarfed ones
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snarfed thanks! i'm happy to work with you if you do want to change them
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snarfed backward compatibility is nice but just one goal among many, not always the most important
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elf-pavlik tantek re: *realtime* https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Dependent_Work
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pfefferle snarfed but it might be used by some others too, so I will keep them anyway! Thanks for your feedback snarfed and GWG
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GWG pfefferle: When things settle, I'll figure out what I'm going to do.
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pfefferle thanks
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pfefferle GWG will push a new version, with the latest changes
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pfefferle GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 85 karma
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GWG snarfed: I see I'm in your customization file also.
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pfefferle done
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snarfed GWG: yup!
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GWG snarfed: I'm honored.
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tantek benwerd I don't see the backfeed from the FB POSSE event to http://werd.io/2015/homebrew-website-club-march-11-2015
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tantek e.g. my friend Kat RSVPd on the FB event
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tantek benwerd is werd.io still receiving Bridgy backfeed for RSVPs to FB events?
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tantek !tell aaronpk, dietrich, bret any of you (aaronpk, dietrich, bret) able to host HWC PDX on the 11th? I'm guessing aaronpk may be out of town. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-11-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret tantek: ill get in touch with dietrich
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aaronpk can I pre-emptively RSVP no to the next 2 meetings?
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Loqi bret: tantek left you a message 33 seconds ago: any of you (aaronpk, dietrich, bret) able to host HWC PDX on the 11th? I'm guessing aaronpk may be out of town. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-11-homebrew-website-club
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tantek thanks bret
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 39 seconds ago: any of you (aaronpk, dietrich, bret) able to host HWC PDX on the 11th? I'm guessing aaronpk may be out of town. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-11-homebrew-website-club
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bret i can help out with hosting if we can get a space somewhere
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tantek bret - for SF we're going to a local quietish coffee house
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kylewm snarfed: bridgy users page is being weird... stuck on J's. e.g. https://www.brid.gy/users?start_name=Aardvark
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snarfed kylewm: ugh GWG reported something similar recently
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snarfed tantek: https://www.brid.gy/facebook/36802236 looks like he may have been changing the web site in his FB profile last time he authed
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tantek uh oh
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snarfed https://www.facebook.com/ben.werdmuller/about currently has benwerd.com but not werdio
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tantek :(
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benwerd ruh roh
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snarfed easy to fix
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benwerd snarfed: fixed
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benwerd thanks for pointing it out
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kylewm I thought the new bridgy/Known integration meant you didn't have to do that anymore?
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snarfed benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 61 karma
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snarfed kylewm: GWG: filed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/370
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tantek reminder: RSVP for the next HWC! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-11-homebrew-website-club#RSVP
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tantek I know there's been more than one "major" post about the IndieWeb this year - we should capture the especially good ones: http://indiewebcamp.com/Posts_about_the_IndieWeb
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tantek I know this is "old" news, however, it's a good thing: https://twitter.com/nprnews/status/571008646622146561
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@nprnews The Federal Communications Commission approved the policy known as net neutrality by a 3-2 vote. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/02/26/389259382/net-neutrality-up-for-vote-today-by-fcc-board (twitter.com/_/status/571008646622146561)
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rhiaro Did someone say httpRange-14?!
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tantek sorry about that rhiaro - was just making sure people didn't deep dive.
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rhiaro Oops wrong channel
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rhiaro Yeah, I'm recently trying to find new ways to explain it to students (it's in the syllabus) that don't sound entirely ridiculous
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rhiaro (I didn't get to change the syllabus)
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tantek perhaps use it as an example of Postel's law?
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rhiaro But also they're using lots of uppercase SW tools so are coming up against it
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rhiaro searches postels law
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rhiaro Oh, I didn't know that principle had a name
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