#indiewebcamp 2015-03-14

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aaronpk the apple icon situation has gotten out of control
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/apple-touch-icon-20150313-170404.png
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bear that's a lot of icons
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aaronpk thank goodness for http://www.favicon-generator.org/
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aaronparecki.com edited /curlable (+106) "see also" (view diff)
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KevinMarks why not SVG icons?
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aaronpk because sometimes you want to design a different icon depending on the number of pixels
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aaronpk to be able to specify different levels of detail
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KevinMarks but sometimes you don't
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aaronpk like a really thin line is likely to disappear when shrunk down to 16px
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KevinMarks what apple device has 16px icons?
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aaronpk the lock screen
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aaronpk they're probably 32px actually but it's retina so kinda 16px
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KevinMarks I'm old enough to remember making 8x8 icons by hand for flags of the works
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aaronpk i don't know the proper name for that... the pull-down thingy that has "Today" and "Notifications"
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KevinMarks but not being able to say SVG for everything above n px is daft
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aaronpk true
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aaronpk that would be a good compromise
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KevinMarks you can actually use hinted rendering for small sizes - snap to grid stuff
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aaronpk in svg?
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KevinMarks did that for fonts back when pixels were big
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KevinMarks you could in SVG
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aaronpk that would probably solve it
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KevinMarks http://blog.codinghorror.com/font-rendering-respecting-the-pixel-grid/
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KevinMarks you coudl even make the SVG use sub-pixel rendering if you still care
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KevinMarks whcih is better done by the driver than the designer, as you don't know which orientation
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tantek aaronpk: hopefully you can add to https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-17#demo-user-stories tonight :)
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tantek !tell benwerd,KevinMarks,npdoty did you braindump any of what we discussed at HWC SF this week? E.g. code-of-conduct, noticing that FB notifications had an RSS feed (URL security through obscurity), Events itch scratching, Known Pro, etc.?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk tantek: I will do that as soon as I see an item I am subscribed to show up in Monocle :)
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tantek aaronpk, fair - though you do have other apps to demo too ;)
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tantek other *micropub* apps :)
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tantek (I'm hoping you'll add one demo entry to the last per app)
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bear aaronpk - did you find that favicon-generate site you listed above generated blurry images?
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aaronpk bear: looks pretty good to me
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bear mine came out way blurry
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ben_thatmustbeme now i rather want to add a posse method for thawr. so i can syndicate to facebook, twitter, or IWC chat
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@bookprescom How to Build Interactions on Social Media by @seosmarty >> http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=125910&utm_content=buffera8a47&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Ann Smarty. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/576578531884412928)
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aaronpk kylewm: has anyone complained about the lack of a button on your "subscribe to URL" interface?
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aaronpk kylewm: your realtime updates with PuSH are working surprisingly well!
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aaronpk freaked me out just now when I posted a photo on instagram and it appeared in a browser tab
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@kevinmarks "@joshu: @msuster @BenedictEvans i guess it's finally time for people to own their own graphs. maybe the browser and phone?" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/576591828712955904)
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kylewm aaronpk: thanks :) and nobody's mentioned the lack of a subscribe button one way or another, though i personally have been annoyed by it once or twice
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp
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GWG Good evening
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petermolnar good morning
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petermolnar I have my reactions importer (https://github.com/petermolnar/keyring-reactions-importer, WordPress Plugin) to support importing comments & likes from Facebook, Flickr & 500px at the moment, what should be the next?
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petermolnar I know Twitter is a b* when you want to import @replies based on tweet; the only solution I've found so far was to pull in the mobile page and parse it; are there any, nicer ways to do that?
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petermolnar.eu edited /WordPress_Plugins (+314) "/* backfeed */" (view diff)
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petermolnar.eu edited /backfeed (+615) "/* Facebook */" (view diff)
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petermolnar.eu edited /backfeed (+250) "/* Twitter */" (view diff)
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@dantegabryell RT @elfpavlik: RT @bblfish: OuiShare use case http://bblfish.net/tmp/2015/03/10/OuiSharetechnicalcomplexity.html #indieweb #social @OuiShareLabs @kirilind @metamapps (twitter.com/_/status/576695728367661056)
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Loqi [mention] http://mooctology.com/2015/03/14/structuring-the-initial-week-of-a-mooc-or-an-online-course/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Smallest_Federated_Wiki (pingback)
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acegiak anyone else see this? I thought it was sweet http://np.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/2yt9j6/gnu_terry_pratchett/cpcvz46
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek.com edited /next-hwc (+0) "next!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club (-5) "SF location confirmed @MozSF, RSVP" (view diff)
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tantek !tell benwerd, kylewm MozSF confirmed for 2015-03-25 HWC SF, could you (benwerd, kylewm) create an indie event and FB POSSE copy and add them to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club#URLs ? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell aaronpk, dietrich Could you (aaronpk, dietrich) check if ESRIPDX/MozPDX is available to host 2015-03-25 Homebrew Website Club PDX and add it? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed !tell petermolnar re finding twitter @-replies, yup, well known problem. sad that the API doesn't support it. :( best way seems to be to search for @username and then filter by in-reply-to field. more details: https://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed#Twitter , https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/blob/master/twitter.py#L309
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 17 minutes ago: Could you (aaronpk, dietrich) check if ESRIPDX/MozPDX is available to host 2015-03-25 Homebrew Website Club PDX and add it? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-14/line/1426348559630
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aaronpk I'll be out of town on the 25th
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tantek bummer aaronpk, pehraps add yourself to explicit regrets in the RSVP section?
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tantek aaronpk, also, reminder, please add a few of your micropub clients/servers here to demo! https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-17#demo-user-stories :)
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tantek !tell benwerd please add yourself to demo Known as a micropub server here: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-17#demo-user-stories
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@andkjaer How to Build Interactions on Social Media by @seosmarty >> http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=125910&utm_content=buffer88abe&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Ann Smarty. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/576793918706167808)
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@R_Hafen @ehafen Smartphone users as participants in biomedical research #digitalhealth #ownyourdata http://www.nature.com/news/smartphones-set-to-boost-large-scale-health-studies-1.17083 (twitter.com/_/status/576826096110436352)
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KevinMarks_ https://www.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/2yt9j6/gnu_terry_pratchett/
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Loqi KevinMarks_: tantek left you a message on 3/13 at 6:00pm: did you braindump any of what we discussed at HWC SF this week? E.g. code-of-conduct, noticing that FB notifications had an RSS feed (URL security through obscurity), Events itch scratching, Known Pro, etc.? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-13/line/1426294801107
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@veganstraightedge Sketching @HomesteadingIO w/ @bookis revealed to me that there are 3 kinds of #indieweb messaging: micropub webmention microformats parsing (twitter.com/_/status/576848089522118656)
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@elfpavlik @dominictarr re:"it's the working software that makes the spec valuable, so write the software first.", do you know @indiewebcamp? @substack (twitter.com/_/status/576859763314659328)
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@dominictarr @elfpavlik @indiewebcamp @substack yeah, that is a much better approach. (twitter.com/_/status/576860796744945664)
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jonnybarnes hey guys, so has brid.gy changed the way its twitter profile images are sent? realised in a webmention of a twitter loke recently that the URL of the profile image was something like twitter.com/username/profile_image
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jonnybarnes specifically twitter.com/username/profile_image?size=original
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tantek makes sense
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jonnybarnes it used to use twimg.com links
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tantek which would go stale when people changed their profile image
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jonnybarnes which has slightly screwed over my code for saving people's profile imeges, which was done using domains names
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jonnybarnes now my system has a profile image saved in twitter.com and it keeps getting over-written :/
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jonnybarnes by stale you mean just outdated, as oppose to turning into 404s
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jonnybarnes right?
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tantek no, 404s
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tantek sounds like a good bug to fix :)
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jonnybarnes oh, I though they just went outdated *shrugs*
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jonnybarnes yeah, been porting over my code from Laravel 4 to Laravel 5, finally finished today
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aaronpk this is why i don't like frameworks
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jonnybarnes so now I can look at this twitter profile image thing
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jonnybarnes aaronpk: I can see why people don't like thme, though I feel I've learnt a lot from using a framework
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Loqi slack/snarfed: jonnybarbemnes: you had to special case <http://twimg.com|twimg.com> before, right?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: so hopefully just extend that logic to <http://twitter.com|twitter.com>
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jonnybarnes yup sanrfed
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jonnybarnes jonnybarbemnes lol
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jonnybarnes also aaronpk
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jonnybarnes I think I may have found a bug with the IndieAuth php client
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jonnybarnes if I set my token_endpoint to literally "/api/token" then it wasn't resolving correctly
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jonnybarnes hang on, lets get this right
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aaronpk oh is it not resolving relative URLs?
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jonnybarnes yeah, So if I had $tokenEndpoint = \IndieAuth\Client::discoverTokenEndpoint($me); // `/apit/token`
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jonnybarnes then Client::getAccessToken(...) would fail
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jonnybarnes it'd be nice if the client automatically added the base url
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aaronpk yeah I have a relative URL resolver in the mf2 parser now so that should be easy
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jonnybarnes cool
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aaronpk feel free to open an issue so i don't forget
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jonnybarnes will do, for now I just cahnged my html to be an absolute url
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aaronpk cool
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jonnybarnes hey snarfed, this should work right? if (parse_url($photo)['host'] != 'pbs.twimg.com' && parse_url($photo)['host'] != 'twitter.com') {}
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jonnybarnes it just had the twimg.com != before
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Loqi slack/snarfed: jonnybarnes: sounds right. I'd also add instagram, g+, and fb if you use them
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@kevinmarks "@cdixon: of course the best platforms that developers can always trust are open platforms that no one controls (web, smtp, btc)." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/576883297906642944)
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aaronpk whoa tantek your h-feed is *inside* your home page h-card?
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aaronpk way to throw off my h-feed consuming code
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tantek aaronpk - my home page is me thus h-card
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tantek my posts h-feed is just one *piece* of my home page
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aaronpk there is no mention of that pattern on h-feed or h-entry or microformats.org
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tantek I believe barnabywalters also got caught on this
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tantek aaronpk - because AFAIK it's not a pattern - yet - just one instance - that seemed to make sense to me
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tantek since my home page is akin to my profile, more than just recent posts
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aaronpk there is also a slight mismatch between the instructions on "how to parse x" and the result of the microformats parser
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aaronpk it makes it very awkward
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aaronpk the language says things like "find the first h-feed" but the result of the mf2 parsing does not give all mf2 objects in order, it nests them
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tantek which instructions?
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tantek URL?
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/feed#How_To_Consume
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aaronpk also this doesn't match http://microformats.org/wiki/h-feed#Parsing
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aaronpk "let the posts in the feed be any h-entries found on the page" vs "Treat top level h-entry elements as items in the feed."
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aaronpk this is complicated enough that it's worth putting this into a library