#indiewebcamp 2015-03-17

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bear
ah - ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
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bear
check that your web socket service is listening on both ws and wss ?
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: pwcc: can bridgy see if there is a *-content property and not just a *-summary to decide whether to go looking into the permalink or not?
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: that's not why it goes into the permalink ... it's looking for u-syndication links
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KartikPrabhu
aah I see. so if there is a u-syndication on the feeds page itself then no need to go hunting into the permalink right?
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: yep
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kylewm
bear: thank you for testing. i'm going to try proxying the websockets connection through nginx later tonight ... i think that's the right way to fix it
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bear
oh, if your not, yes it is :)
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bear
nginx or haproxy will really help with this - route all http/ws -> https/wss and just worry about one endpoint
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bear
nginx is by far easier, just add these two magic lines:
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bear
proxy_set_header Upgrade $http_upgrade;
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bear
proxy_set_header Connection "upgrade";
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bear
to your location {} block
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tantek
kylewm: that's a *great* followup by inkdroid.org
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tantek
he extrapolated nearly everything I was implying. loved it.
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tantek
I'll also note that http://inkdroid.org/journal/2015/03/12/javascript-and-archives/ is completely beautifully readable - without executing any JS
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pdurbin
edrex: I didn't mean to derail your point about offline editing at http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-16#t1426545919175 . I'm not sure I want to edit stuff in a phone browser though. I'm thinking native Android app. Something that can preview markdown. And do a `git push`, ideally.
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pdurbin
I'd even settle for multiple apps. More Unix-y that way. :)
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aaronpk
+1 for multiple apps!
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tantek
+1 for offline editing, but why multiple apps?
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aaronpk
special-purpose
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aaronpk
like how Checkie will always be faster/easier to use than any multiple-purpose posting app
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tantek
aaronpk - I see what you mean - in some sense you're treating the homescreen with all the apps as buttons as your top level "app" where you choose post type ;)
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tantek
s/as your/in your
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: aaronpk - I see what you mean - in some sense you're treating the homescreen with all the apps as buttons in your top level "app" where you choose post type ;)
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KevinMarks_
I've been impressed with phone browsers not losing state on android
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KevinMarks_
It's iOS that flushes state all the time
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KevinMarks_
Especially with in-app browsers in fb/twitter
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aaronpk
yes exactly
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: i can't even switch apps on ios without the browser losing state!
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tantek
pretty much
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tantek
aaronpk, I have a jwz for that
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tantek
(it's like having an xkcd for something)
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tantek
(except jwz doesn't number his sequentially)
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tantek
(which does make sequential blog post numbering tempting)
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bengo
Localize your indieweb space. :) https://github.com/Localizejs/node-localizejs-seo (Friend's product they just launched this server-side integration recently
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tantek
what is localize?
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bengo
Do you mean "Localize" or "Localize.js" (or both?)
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bengo
Localize.js is A small company building a platform to make Localization of web pages as easy as possible.
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tantek
bengo - you could create it as a disambiguation page
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tantek
I think Loqi only creates a page for the term asked about
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tantek
what is Localize.js?
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bengo
Got it
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tantek
now try
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bengo
Localize.js is A small company building a platform to make Localization of web pages as easy as possible.
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loqi.me
created /Localize.js (+132) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-16/line/1426553188163 and dfn added by bengo"
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bengo
Love that!
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tantek
bengo++
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Loqi
bengo has 5 karma
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tantek
it's pretty amazing
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bengo
What is the 'noun' for an indie...thing
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bengo
like mine vs yours
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bengo
indiespace?
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tantek
bengo - um, you mean your data?
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bengo
I mean... the set of services I run to power my indieweb?
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tantek
stays away from anything that uses subclasses as superclasses are almost always architecture astronomy ;)
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tantek
bengo, your software?
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tantek
so I started writing a blog post about "What is the social web?" and decided when I got off the plane, I'd websearch (non-corp-specific term) for it and see what others had said
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Loqi
The social web refers to the subset of the web that has social content, that is, content, like posts, which has obvious visible authorship (even if pseudonymous), and mentions other people or other social web content, via URL reference, not just name https://indiewebcamp.com/social_web
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tantek
wow is Google bad at this dfn
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tantek
oh of course we have a definition
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tantek
thank you Loqi for reminding me that I've been here before :P
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@kevinmarks
@waxpancake you know that the #indieweb crew would love to talk to you about that.
(twitter.com/_/status/577635461423767552)
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tantek
KevinMarks: silos gonna silo
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tantek
Tell me again how using silo-based identity and login is better for users when the silo shuts you off.
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tantek
wonders if aaronpk has had to hardcode a timezone fix for tantek.com posts :/
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aaronpk
i'm about to have to yes
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aaronpk
they're all GMT right now
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tantek
dang ok where did I capture this
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tantek
apparently not on the wiki :/
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tantek
giving myself a bug report
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+587) "/* Bug Reports */ dt-published needs timezone"
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tantek
aaronpk - could you confirm / expand the note about Monocle here? https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#dt-published_needs_timezone
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aaronpk
Looks good, tho you could say "posts appear in GMT" instead of "causes problems"
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tantek
well - it's a problem if it miscommunicates the time of post
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aaronpk
I guess I was suggesting to be more specific
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+395) "/* Itches */ PESOS Nike Running"
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GWG
I keep wondering what to do with all this 'life' data that would be interesting to someone other than me.
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tantek
alright, I think I'm going to want to ownyourruns with https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#PESOS_Nike_Running
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bengo
@tantek what did you mean by "[18:03:36] <@tantek> Tell me again how using silo-based identity and login is better for users when the silo shuts you off.
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bengo
"shuts you off"
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bengo
Like a social network goes bankrupt and deletes your acct?
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tantek
bengo - it was a Willy Wonka meme
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bengo
ah ok lol
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bengo
Oh yeah, saw that headline.
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bengo
Facebook API changes ruined my last three weeks. :)
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tantek
bengo - sorry to hear that :(
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tantek
bengo - I encourage you to add to http://indiewebcamp.com/Facebook#Criticism
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tantek
via KevinMarks reply to that
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bengo
I politely refuse so that I don't risk my employer being kicked off this page :) https://developers.facebook.com/docs/mediasolutions
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tantek
js;dr ;)
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bengo
I agree but can see the path toward Custom Elements helping a ton.
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@t
@rektide while IndieWebCamp has http://indiewebcamp.com/principles & http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct My “focus” referred to Social Web f2f. (ttk.me t4aA3)
(twitter.com/_/status/577646585263194112)
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bengo
This didn't use Web Components, but you can see how this JS widget enabled extra features by the web publisher adding MARKUP, not JS
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bengo
(it should also be able to bootstrap it's news feed content from markup rendered by the server too)
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tantek
bengo yes I'm optimistic about custom elements as a particularly useful subset of the grand Web Components vision
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bengo
Really wish I could make to to Cambrige this week :)
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tantek
bengo - yeah!
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GWG
I have to figure out what time I'm aiming for to get there
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bengo
Can't though. Mom's visiting SF. Will be in the IRCs though. Are there video casts planned?
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bengo
perfect thx
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GWG
bengo: I'm doing some half-measures.
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tantek
GWG is going to have an awesome setup ;)
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bengo
GWG++
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Loqi
GWG has 87 karma
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GWG
tantek: You might replace some with ful after this.
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tantek
GWG I believe in you :)
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GWG
I have a 2 pronged attack
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GWG
A small tablet, USB microphone, and HD camera on a stand.
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GWG
Also, as a backup, I have an audio recorder
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bengo.is
edited /2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (+258) "Add bengo.is to Remote Participants"
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tantek
bengo++ for a great domain!
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Loqi
bengo has 6 karma
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bengo
the semweb possibilities are dangerously endless..
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bengo
bengo.is/priveleged
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bengo
Tonight I'll try to learn enough about (I think web mentions?) to reply to this http://tantek.com/2015/069/t1/js-dr-javascript-required-dead
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bengo
Or is that micropub?
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tantek
webmentions
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tantek
what is a webmention?
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Loqi
Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention
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bengo
(thx)
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tantek
bengo are you posting notes already?!?
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bengo
oh I need that first. That's micro pub right?
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bengo
Well I guess it doesn't have to be if all I want is webmentions
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tantek
sure - or you can manually upload them to your site at their permalinks all static style ;)
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tantek
you need a /URL_design first ;)
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bengo
Yeah that's what I was just thinking
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bengo
What is URL Design?
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Loqi
URL design is the practice of deliberately designing URLs, in particular, permalinks, typically for a better UX for everyone who creates, reads, and shares content https://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design
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bengo
I have a plan for this
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bengo
I also registered bengo.pub :)
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bengo
bengo.pub/GUID
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GWG
What would everyone think of an audio only IWC recording?
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bengo
canonical URL for all things. Other things can redirect or rel=canonical to that
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tantek
bengo - sounds good! have you added that to your User: page? what is wikifying?
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Loqi
wikifying is the practice of putting stuff on the wiki, or something in particular on the wiki https://indiewebcamp.com/wikifying
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bengo
@GWG if the convs are more likely to be audible that way, it's a good backup plan
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bengo
I will make a User page
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tantek
then you'll show up all cool and linked and with photo in the logs!
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bengo.is
created /User:Bengo.is (+390) "Add bengo.is User page"
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bengo
(Added some progress about what I did this weekend)
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bengo.is
edited /IRC_People (+85) "add bengo.is"
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@t
Note: @edsu’s post reads *beautifully* without ANY Javascript being loaded. Fast too. #WordPress #indieweb #nojsneeded (ttk.me t4aA5)
(twitter.com/_/status/577653291435229184)
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tantek
huh fascinating!
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bengo
I think I followed the instructions, but can't log into that Wordpress with bengo.is
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tantek
yes! good point - need to POSSE my comment there too!
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tantek
bengo, let me try
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tantek
hah - logging in "worked" but redirected me to http://inkdroid.org/journal/wp-admin/profile.php
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bengo
You use your indieweb domain as the opened thing?
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bengo
What's wrong with mine :( http://bengo.is/
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tantek
yes - just typed in tantek.com into the openid field and it gave me the indieauth flow
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bengo
Maybe needs to be in <head>
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tantek
yeah openid delegation is fragile :/
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tantek
hmm - looks like logging in to comment may require JS
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tantek
reloading with JS
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tantek
no that's odd - loading his JS doesn't help
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bengo
What happens if you do bengo.is in that field?
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tantek
this might be the weird quirkiness with WordPress OpenID plugin where it still makes you "create" another account, just based on your openid. which I can't be bothered with
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tantek
bengo I get an error:
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tantek
"Could not discover an OpenID identity server endpoint at the url: bengo.is
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tantek
Could not discover an OpenID identity server endpoint at the url: bengo.is"
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bengo
Yeah same. Lame.
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tantek
recheck your <link> headers? feel free to copy / paste from mine at tantek.com
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bengo
Weird. Mine were in a different order, but I copy pasted your exact ones and changed the delegate to me. Still no work. Oh well will try again later.
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tantek
very strange
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tantek
bengo - compare this hassle with openid delegation with how much work was it for you to setup rel=me
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bengo
FWIW I've been working on accounts.livefyre.com as an OpenID Connect Provider (we have an impl in QA and a few RPs), and it's so much better than go OpenID
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tantek
can we get livefyre to support indieauth?
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bengo
Perhaps indirectly.
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tantek
gah - so many things to blog and code before tomorrow morning (!!!) and this week in general
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bengo
Actually
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bengo
ah, bummer
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bengo
We have OpenID and I just tried bengo.is with it, and I did get to indieauth.com to confirm
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bengo
But redirected back to useless place
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tantek
delegated identity is hard, let's go siloing
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bengo
You sound like you'd be good in Marketing :P
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tantek
hey I'm not even at SXSW!
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bengo
SocialWG+IndieWebCamp is more fun anyway IMO. Less hangovers or more?
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tantek
MUCH less
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bengo
FWIW we use Janrain as an OpenID bridge thingy. I see this error: "Other OpenID authentication error: Error verifying signature with the OP: null"
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tantek
and a great feeling of comradery and accomplishment when you get stuff working on your site
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tantek
there was a time where we did that at SXSW too
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tantek
and things like XFN got invented, *at* SXSW
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bengo
Slick
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bengo
I have a hypothesis that ANY indieweb solution that is specific to a single Content-Type will have too many haters to matter
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bengo
e.g. XHTML, AS2+JSON
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bengo
Heading home. I'll attempt to post a note later.
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tantek
cool - great progress today
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tantek
is meme a post type?
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tantek
or would that just be a degenerate comic?
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tantek
(single frame)
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tantek
asking because the text of the meme should be available separately
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tantek
or as fallback at least
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tantek
and yet - memes images don't usually have titles / names - their text reads more like notes
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tantek
what is a meme?
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tantek
meme is a [[post]] type consisting of a funny or provocative image with a brief text [[note]] overlaid on top of it, usually in white all capitals text outlined in black, similar to a single-pane [[comic]], yet with text that reads like prose rather than a caption.
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loqi.me
created /meme (+292) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-16/line/1426560536989 and dfn added by tantek"
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GWG
oops
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GWG
Didn't mean to hit paste
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@filevisa
@indiewebcamp Hi, we are giving away beta access to new secure filesharing site. Hope to help journalists and lawyers. Join in?
(twitter.com/_/status/577667876909363200)
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tantek
@filevisa do you have any In-Q-Tel funding?
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+93) "/* dt-published needs timezone */ reword problems"
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tantek
ok let's fix this
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aaronpk
what's the trick for checking whether "name" is the same as "content"?
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aaronpk
i'm trying to tell if the "name" property is autogenerated or actually a blog post title
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: match content[value] with name after stripping leading/trailing blanks?
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: so far i'm doing this: strip html tags, remove html entities (&#xx;), remove all non-alphanumeric, lowercase, and then compare
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aaronpk
and it's *still* not working on some posts
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk why not use content[value] which iirc is without the HTML tags anyway
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KartikPrabhu
hmm but that might not be the problem
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aaronpk
hm i could try that... but i'd have to go refactor a bunch cause i'm not storing that at this point yet
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aaronpk
it's working on a bunch of tantek's other posts tho
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aaronpk
it appears the p-name has added the alt text of the image
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aaronpk
content[value] also has it
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aaronpk
so KartikPrabhu you're right, that would probably fix it comparing content[value] and name
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aaronpk
this is unfortunate
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aaronpk
i think i'm gonna have to put this off until after my "like" button is hooked up
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GWG
You plan on hooking up a like button?
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aaronpk
in the reader yeah
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KartikPrabhu
\o/ i was right :P
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tantek
aaronpk perhaps on comments-display?
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aaronpk
tantek: nothing on comments-presentation about displaying a post with content *and* a name
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aaronpk
it's just about whether to use the content or the name
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aaronpk
now i'm curious how kylewm did it
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tantek
not sure he documented it
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kylewm
how i distinguish name from content?
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aaronpk
kylewm: how do you know if the name should be displayed as a title?
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kylewm
pretty sure i did document my algorithm somewhere
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kylewm
one sec
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kylewm
if worst comes to worst, this comment is pretty descriptive https://github.com/kylewm/mf2util/blob/master/mf2util/util.py#L192
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aaronpk
yup that's about what i did
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aaronpk
problem is i'm starting with the html content, not the plaintext content, so i have to change that
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kylewm
you don't have the parsed mf2?
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aaronpk
i threw in an inline audio player because why not :D https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8628/16218415454_0634a5cd2d_b.jpg
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aaronpk
kylewm: i only have the content[html] from the parsed mf2 at this point
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aaronpk
i need to switch it to filter on the way in before I store the data, rather than comparing on display, that way i have access to the content[text]
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kylewm
gotcha
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tantek
and now having to fix timezones on likes
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aaronpk
srsly timezones
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tantek
and this is where my adjacent like compression cleverness bites me
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aaronpk
hmm i did not think through the timing of this
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tantek
timing?
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aaronpk
i'm going to be finishing this on the plane, but then that means i'm going to arrive in boston in the morning, and i'll need to deploy it to a server
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tantek
fortunately API discussions / demos aren't until after lunch
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tantek
morning is activity streams
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aaronpk
ah true!
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GWG
tantek: Keep us posted.
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GWG
You usually narrate these things
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tantek
still trying to fix my timezones before then
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tantek
GWG - you should lurk in the W3C # social channel
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tantek
irc://irc.w3.org/social
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GWG
What is usually discussed in there?
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tantek
GWG - that's the channel for the W3C Social Web Working Group
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tantek
which is the meeting we're attending tomorrow
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bengo
#social is extremely quiet (in the few days I've been on IRC)
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kylewm
after upgrading to a version of nginx from this decade, finally have websockets serving over https!
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kylewm
bear++ advice was super helpful
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Loqi
bear has 58 karma
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GWG
kylewm: I need to scroll back. I wanted to do that to get around webportals
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tantek
bengo - it's bursty - during meetings it gets busy
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bengo
makes sense
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tantek
then all the email people go back to their mailing lists and write essays to each other
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tantek
it's nice and self-selecting like that
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kylewm
GWG: I'm not sure what you mean by webportals. this is just ferrying connections through :80 to the websocket server running on :8077
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GWG
kylewm: That is what I need to get past filtering on open wifi networks.
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tantek
hmm - I have TZ offset output happening, now to fix it to do DST / ST properly
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pwcc
I'm autogenerating titles - Noted <date> - for the HTML title and currently on p-name. Is that unwise?
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pwcc
tantek: have fun there - the one reason I'd dump DST.
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kylewm
pwcc: do you want the date to appear as a title in a feed reader?
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kylewm
(that's the effect that setting p-name = the date would have)
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tantek
yeah I just wrote some code like: if (date('I', strtotime($d)))
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pwcc
kylewm: I think i do - trying to avoid the title & content both displaying as the same thing.
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pwcc
I prefer the date as title over the content appearing twice. Context makes such a difference.
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kylewm
pwcc: my 2c, I wouldn't want that :) indiereaders will know better than to display the content twice. (and for other readers, you can do whatever you want in the rss/atom feed)
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pwcc
what are indiereaders?
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kylewm
indiereaders are /indiereader
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loqi.me
created /indiereaders (+24) "prompted by pwcc https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-16/line/1426569186135 and dfn added by kylewm"
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kylewm
oops, double redirect
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aaronpk
kylewm: are you serving websockets through nginx?
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kylewm.com
edited /indiereaders (-5) "Redirected page to [[reader]]"
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kylewm
pwcc: check out Woodwind if you have time! https://reader.kylewm.com/
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kylewm
aaronpk: yes, I am now
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aaronpk
Oh nice! I need to do that
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aaronpk
Right now I'm running them on a different port
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aaronpk
How'd you do that?
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kylewm
that's what I was doing too, but just having ssl support broke both the http and https versions
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pwcc
kylewm: will do, thanks.
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aaronpk
Having it behind nginx is great because then only nginx needs to terminate ssl
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kylewm
aaronpk: literally just added this bit https://gist.github.com/kylewm/451c59261e3a749b0536
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kylewm
and upgraded nginx to >= 1.3
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aaronpk
wow okay
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kylewm
Ubuntu 12.04 was on 1.1, which was too old
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aaronpk
Yeah I always install nginx from source
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kylewm
-- the most interesting man in the world
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pwcc
kylewm: have set up an issue to reconsider titles around your advise. Another to fix indieauth so I can check out woodwind.
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@jevdemon
Finally figured out how to get webmentions working. The more I learn about IndieWeb the more I like it. https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
(twitter.com/_/status/577731655420375041)
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@kevinmarks
RT @jevdemon: Finally figured out how to get webmentions working. The more I learn about IndieWeb the more I like it. https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
(twitter.com/_/status/577748173545844736)
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@roundtrip
RT @jevdemon: Finally figured out how to get webmentions working. The more I learn about IndieWeb the more I like it. https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
(twitter.com/_/status/577750876208627712)
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cweiske
loqi, stop echoing those faves
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pfefferle
good morning
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petermolnar
good morning
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aaronpk
good morning from Boston!
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pdurbin
rainy Boston
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pdurbin
aaronpk: welcome!
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aaronpk
thanks!
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aaronpk
kylewm: are you doing anything fancy when you encounter a u-photo in an entry? or do you just display the content html?
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aaronpk
just realized he hasn't even thought about refreshing feeds yet :P
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tantek
got timezones working
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tantek
about to deploy
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aaronpk
luckily i have a manual refresh button
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aaronpk
damn! parsing failed on ben_thatmustbeme's site!
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GWG
Good morning, all.
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aaronpk
ah it was cause i was taking a shortcut for authorship discovery
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tantek
timezone fix deployed
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aaronpk
okay timezones are annoying
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tantek
and looks like both pin13.net/mf2 and kylewm.com/services tests are seeing it
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aaronpk
i need to make a php DateTime object given a timezone offset rather than a named timezone
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aaronpk
or i can do the timezone offset myself... hmm
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon () "(-700) /* Bug Reports */ dt-published has timezone now in all post types (notes, articles, likes) ! all the way back to the start 2010-01-01 :)"
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tantek
haha poetic that fixing that was -700 (which is my home timezone now, PDT -0700)
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tantek
!tell kylewm, barnabywalters I finally fixed timezones in Falcon posts and deployed (tantek.com) - see if your readers (or other contexts) work. Tested with both phpmf2 and mf2py and parsed output looks good.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
fixed!
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aaronpk
okay i'm heading over!
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tantek
great!
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aaronpk
wow ben's are looking weird too
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: your short URL is showing up in the name and content of your posts, I don't think that's what you want
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GWG
Where are you both staying in BOS out of curiosity?
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tantek
GWG - in Cambridge
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aaronpk
oh hey it's in the same room as indiewebcamp was in october!
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GWG
I'm still trying to decide which project to work on at IWC. Someone suggested it be very visual.
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pdurbin
http://episodes.gitminutes.com/2015/03/gitminutes-33-thom-parkin-on-mastering.html opened with a pretty heartfelt explanation by the host about how he puts the content he really cares about on a domain he controls.
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GWG
petermolnar: Do you use pages on your site?
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk, thanks, adding it to my list of issues
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@jmsmcfrlnd
RT @jevdemon: Finally figured out how to get webmentions working. The more I learn about IndieWeb the more I like it. https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
(twitter.com/_/status/577825174789173248)
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@nobantu
4 More Days of RegularTickets for #IIW XX: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xx-20-2015a-tickets-14097972415 #identity #privacy #VRM #CRM #IoT #UMA #indieweb #unConference
(twitter.com/_/status/577826868759506944)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, the PSC/PSL
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ben_thatmustbeme
yes, thats actually intentionally there so I can syndicate with brid.gy
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aaronpk
it doesn't need to be in the e-content though
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ben_thatmustbeme
it only appears if the post is shorter than 140 chars or so
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aaronpk
it can be outside of the content but in the h-entry
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ben_thatmustbeme
brid.gy will still pick that up?
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aaronpk
oh wait i see
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ben_thatmustbeme
maybe i'll just hide is with CSS on my site
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aaronpk
that's not gonna help readers
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cweiske
aaronpk, I try to login to monocle and only have an auth endpoint. monocle warns me that I can only read, which is fine. continuing the login process, it still tries to login with a response_type=code instead of id
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aaronpk
cweiske: hmm good point
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aaronpk
it shouldn't be asking for scope though
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aaronpk
i think i'm going to have to add that to the indieauth docs
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ben_thatmustbeme
true, you could trap PSCs and drop them
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: ew weird, that seems like an ugly hack
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm testing every reply for a PSC already, so i don't think its that weird
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Loqi
[bridgy] drainstop; refactor. favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/jevdemon/status/577731655420375041)
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Loqi
[bridgy] drainstop; refactor. retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/jmsmcfrlnd/status/577825174789173248)
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'd have to do some crazy hackery to add PSC only on syndicated copies
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aaronpk
i guess if your intent is to add a watermark to your posts, then you do in fact want readers and other consumers to get the PSC in the content
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ben_thatmustbeme
if that were the case, I would add it to all
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aaronpk
it's not on all of them?
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ben_thatmustbeme
only on posts < 140, over that and they should including a link
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm kind of feeling like its more a hack for brid.gy
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rhiaro.co.uk
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bret
buhhhh damnit, I forgot to get my proposal into open source bridge
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aaronpk
bret: !
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aaronpk
they even extended the deadline!
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bret
i'll see if I can sign up as a backup speaker
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bret
i had a lot going on this weekend and I didnt make any reminders, >:[
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bret
people cancel every year right?
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bret
if i cant present at least i can spend some much needed time working on other indieweb projects
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bret
Also the unconference day... forgot about that
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bret
i can do a session there
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bret
maybe like a "get on the indieweb with a semistatic site toolkit" and just walk people through it
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aaronpk
plz hyphenate
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aaronpk
semi-static
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bret
lol k
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aaronpk
looks really weird otherwise
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atomicules.co.uk
edited /Jekyll (+278) "/* Related Tools */"
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bret
maginally improved webmention rendering http://bret.io/2015/02/13/-ux-2015/
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bret
aaronpk++ for improving data coming from webmention.io way long ago
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Loqi
aaronpk has 740 karma
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@nobantu
4 More Days of RegularTickets for #IIW XX: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xx-20-2015a-tickets-14097972415 #identity #privacy #VRM #CRM #IoT #UMA #indieweb #unConference
(twitter.com/_/status/577884797453922304)
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gRegor`
Howdy, ghost town #indiewebcamp :)
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aaronpk
wanna be the second person other than me to add feeds to monocle?
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gRegor`
Sure! I've been kicking the tires of /Woodwind and loving it, why not try another one? :)
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gRegor`
Does it require micropub? I don't have that.
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aaronpk
you will find out
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gRegor`
Hehe
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aaronpk
sadly until sites support posting following lists via micropub you'll have to add your subscriptions to monocle as well as woodwind
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gRegor`
I like that flow, warning the user they cannot reply/like
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gRegor`
What does the filters feed do? Is that for only seeing certain tags?
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gRegor`
s/feed/field/
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aaronpk
yeah i'm gonna do a better job of reminding them once you're looking at items, but that's a good start
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Loqi
gRegor` meant to say: What does the filters field do? Is that for only seeing certain tags?
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aaronpk
yeah the filters make it so only posts matching the filter show up
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gRegor`
Oh, so matches any text within the post?
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gRegor`
This looks nice. I like it
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aaronpk
thanks!
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aaronpk
i'm working on PuSH subscription now
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gRegor`
Heh, trying to add a Twitter feed shows lots of disabled feed options
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aaronpk
oh funny
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aaronpk
yeah i haven't done twitter yet
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aaronpk
and it only does microformats2 right now
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aaronpk
going for MVP here
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gRegor`
MVP?
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aaronpk
minimum viable product
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gRegor`
Ah, right
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gRegor`
Could only think of Most Valuable Player and that didn't make sense.
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gRegor`
tries to subscribe to Woodwind in Monocle. Nothing blows up.
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aaronpk
oh god
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aaronpk
woodwind has a public feed?
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gRegor`
No message indicating 'no feed found' though either.
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gRegor`
No
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gRegor`
I'm just messing around with different URLs to see what it does
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aaronpk
oh lol
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aaronpk
oh it just disappears if no feeds are found. thanks.
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aaronpk
okay being a PuSH consumer isn't so bad after all ;)
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@bookprescom
Video Blogging: How to Become a Video Personality >> http://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/?p=78702&utm_content=buffer04590&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Michael Stelzner. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth…
(twitter.com/_/status/577892411629797377)
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gRegor`
I would think authors could spell out #IndieAuthor. It's just two more letters.
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aaronpk
i'm guessing it's an auto-truncate thing
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aaronpk
alrighty... let's see if i can start subscribing to hubs
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bengo
Everyone in this room may find some interest in watching W3C IRC #socail today
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bengo
they're having a f2f in boston
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bengo
#social
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snarfed
aaronpk: i'm assuming you plan to keep feeds in monocle private by default, right?
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kylewm
aaronpk: I think I might have been the second person to subscribe in monocle, not gRegor` !!
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Loqi
kylewm: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 59 minutes ago: I finally fixed timezones in Falcon posts and deployed (tantek.com) - see if your readers (or other contexts) work. Tested with both phpmf2 and mf2py and parsed output looks good. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-17/line/1426594591595
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aaronpk
kylewm: note I said second person other than me :)
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kylewm
oh! :D
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aaronpk
you were the second
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aaronpk
snarfed: I was actaully thinking public by default, but hadn't gotten that far yet
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aaronpk
what are you thinking?
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aaronpk
lol Loqi
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Loqi
yeah!
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gRegor`
My Monocle channel is 11, so . . .
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snarfed
i'd strongly suggest private by default since some feeds definitely are private
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aaronpk
the autoincrements started on my dev copy :P
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aaronpk
and i made a few channels for myself
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KartikPrabhu
where is my monocole!
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snarfed
e.g. some silos offer your stream, notifs, etc via rss by giving you "secret" feed urls
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gRegor`
Agreed on feed privacy
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: nice logo
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aaronpk
snarfed: true... I wonder if I could pre-populate a public/private checkbox based on whether the feed URL has a query string
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snarfed
aaronpk: that was my instinct too…double checking...
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aaronpk
i mean it'd be a UI hint, not an automatic thing
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snarfed
ok yeah
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snarfed
my two spot checks, facebook and goodreads notifs, both have query params
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snarfed
but agreed, i wouldn't depend on it. opt in feels right
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fkooman
gRegor`: Undefined index: me
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Loqi
fkooman: kylewm left you a message on 3/16 at 4:17pm: you successfully guilted me into setting up https on https://reader.kylewm.com :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-16/line/1426547832247
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gRegor`
fkooman: ?
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aaronpk
fkooman: did you get that after signing in to monocle?
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snarfed
aaronpk++ for monocle
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fkooman
aaronpk: i used indiecert, it doesn't provide me on the callback
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Loqi
aaronpk has 742 karma
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KartikPrabhu
hmm i don't understand the channels thing. do I put a feed URL in there?
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: no it's just to let you organize your feeds
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fkooman
aaronpk: it almost works :-)
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aaronpk
fkooman: why didn't you return "me"?
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: how do I subscribe to a feed then?
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gRegor`
Top of "home"
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KartikPrabhu
hmm ok trying again
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gRegor`
Or whatever channel you set up.
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gRegor`
I just noticed the "Channels" page, heh
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snarfed
aaronpk: just fyi, i subscribed to a twitter mf2 feed via https://twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com/ , and the channels page shows that it fetched successfully, but i don't see the tweets on my monocle home page
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snarfed
(i think kylewm has woodwind consuming twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com, but it might be using the atom format. not sure.)
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kylewm
snarfed: that's correct
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fkooman
aaronpk: i wondered why i should return me, it is technically not needed, but I'll implement it :)
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KartikPrabhu
hmmm i don't see any place to put feed urls. I get the tabs for channels and the lower menu bar also with channels and sign out
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gRegor`
Odd
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gRegor`
No subscribe_box in the source?
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KartikPrabhu
will play around more in the evening and make screenshots or something
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gRegor`
"Did you try turning it off and on again?"
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KartikPrabhu
lol yes. loggedn out and back in
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fkooman
aaronpk: it works now with indiecert :-)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I am posting to my site using the micropub client at http:/// - it will post to any micropub site
(twitter.com/_/status/577900566661230592)
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fkooman
kylewm: but i cannot login anywhere?
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kylewm
fkooman: you don't see a login button on https://reader.kylewm.com/ ?
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fkooman
kylewm: no... "March 17, 2015
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fkooman
Oh man, monocle.p3k.io looks b"
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kylewm
sounds like your browser is still redirecting you to kylewm.com
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kylewm
try opening in a private tab
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fkooman
kylewm: ah, you sent a 301 at some point instead of 302? :-)
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fkooman
kylewm: yeee! it works with indiecert as well :-) :D
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kylewm
i don't think so, at least not on purpose
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kylewm
awesome!
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fkooman
kylewm++
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Loqi
kylewm has 138 karma
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fkooman
for the SSL cert :-)
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kylewm
fkooman++ :)
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Loqi
fkooman has 5 karma
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kylewm
trading karma!
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: I am posting to my site using the micropub client at http:/// - it will post to any micr…
(twitter.com/_/status/577902283905765376)
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fkooman
kylewm: some chain issues
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kylewm
ah ok that must be why I had created a unified cert for the primary domain
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kylewm
i couldn't remember
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@CaptainCalliope
@tilgovi Just noticed you're in town! You going to be here Thursday for #indiewebcamp?
(twitter.com/_/status/577903831557668864)
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kylewm
aaronpk: I like the yellow background on Monocle, will it change to purple/black at night? :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dissolve333: I'm demoing http://reader.kylewm.com whcih is not my app but kyles - it reads feeds, and posts to my site via micropub
(twitter.com/_/status/577907219318063105)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dissolve333: the post on my site sends webmentions which will show up on aaron's post
(twitter.com/_/status/577907320472121344)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dissolve333: this also allows liking or starring of posts to my site
(twitter.com/_/status/577907532259262464)
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gRegor`
That reminds me, I forgot to put https://justgetflux.com/ on this laptop
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@kylewm2
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @dissolve333: I'm demoing http://reader.kylewm.com whcih is not my app but kyles - it reads feeds, and posts to my …
(twitter.com/_/status/577907852423118848)
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cweiske
as a side note, I have weather (and daylight) dependent stylesheet since 2003; http://cweiske.de/home_stylesheet.htm
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kylewm
cweiske++ so great
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Loqi
cweiske has 18 karma
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gRegor`
That's awesome, cweiske!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dissolve333: I wrote my own little micropub app on my android phone in Cordova so it's a web app compiled to android
(twitter.com/_/status/577909446237667328)
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kylewm
aaronpk: monocle loads really fast, are you doing any special caching or anything?
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aaronpk
no lol
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aaronpk
also it's just one giant list in the timeline, no paging yet
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dissolve333: I can syndicate to facebook and twitter - the list is pulled form my site via micropub as targets
(twitter.com/_/status/577909774668439553)
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kylewm
downlodas the full page in ~50ms
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kylewm
good lord
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Loqi
php has -11 karma
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cweiske
++php++
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cweiske
hm. loqi doesn't understand that, too bad
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bear
resists the urge to -- php
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Loqi
grins profusely
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kylewm
haha, taste of your own medicine re: java!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I may want to post on my site that I followed someone, btu I haven't done that in the app yet
(twitter.com/_/status/577911783605813251)
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gRegor`
Aw
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gRegor`
php++
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Loqi
php has -10 karma
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cweiske
aaronpk, can I assume that response_type=id when $scope is empty in https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php/blob/master/src/IndieAuth/Client.php#L99 ?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: if I like a post it shows up on my own site under likes - for example http://aaronparecki.com/likes/2015/03/17/1/
(twitter.com/_/status/577912896077897729)
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aaronpk
cweiske: yes i think that is a safe assumption
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cweiske
ok, I'll send a PR
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@BillSeitz
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @dissolve333: I wrote my own little micropub app on my android phone in Cordova so it's a web app compiled to and…
(twitter.com/_/status/577913433338691584)
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cweiske
there you go
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aaronpk
that was fast
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Chris Webber: I'm demoing posting a photo using https://identi.ca/cwebber
(twitter.com/_/status/577913998890430464)
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aaronpk
benwerd: it looks like Known isn't setting the rel=self value, so my PuSH consumer isn't subscribing to Known feeds
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aaronpk
i'm making it fall back to use the feed URL as self if no self is specified
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benwerd
aaronpk: I have so many things to fix right now on that, as it turns out
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message on 3/13 at 6:00pm: did you braindump any of what we discussed at HWC SF this week? E.g. code-of-conduct, noticing that FB notifications had an RSS feed (URL security through obscurity), Events itch scratching, Known Pro, etc.? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-13/line/1426294801107
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 days, 3 hours ago: MozSF confirmed for 2015-03-25 HWC SF, could you (benwerd, kylewm) create an indie event and FB POSSE copy and add them to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club#URLs ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-14/line/1426348501203
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 days, 3 hours ago: please add yourself to demo Known as a micropub server here: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-17#demo-user-stories http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-14/line/1426350243126
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benwerd
I did not do that because I have some broken things :(
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aaronpk
benwerd: aww really?
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aaronpk
well now Woodwind and Monocle are PuSH consumers!
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benwerd
That is awesome
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benwerd
I've got a bunch of bugfixing on my agenda for the rest of today.
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benwerd
Hope all is going well in Cambridge
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bret
aaronpk: bravo on monocle
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pdurbin
the sun came out. turning into a nice day
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aaronpk
bret: thanks!
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aaronpk
still lots more to do of course
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aaronpk
hmm apparently known.kevinmarks.com only has an RSS topic advertized on the hub
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bret
aaronpk: are you taking pRs?
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aaronpk
uh sure
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aaronpk
i totally don't expect anyone to run this yet
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bret
Just some css fixings for youtube embeds
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KevinMarks
how's that?
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KevinMarks
I tried subbing to an unmunged feed, but maybe not enough recent posts
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aaronpk
oh yeah it only shows the latest 30 posts
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aaronpk
i'll implement paging soon I promise :)
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KevinMarks
the dates I'm seeing say March 03?
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KevinMarks
I think you're munging month into day
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tantek
goodness - so much to catch up here
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aaronpk
uh weird
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aaronpk
what feed URL?
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KevinMarks
ben, me, tantek
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aaronpk
i had an "m" instead of "j" in the formatter
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benwerd
aaronpk: hopefully that rel="self" header should be friendlier now
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aaronpk
already? wow
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benwerd
(Thanks for pointing that out)
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benwerd
You should see my list. I've got a JSON Accept: header issue with Superfeedr and the rel="self" issue out of the way
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benwerd
Next are micropub likes, micropub syndication and a few RSS tags
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benwerd
I don't get to spend enough time just working on code :(
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aaronpk
I got two different replies from superfeedr alreay.. one said the topic should be the one that ends in _rss, but the other one said the topic should be a www.* version of the domain
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aaronpk
are you auto-adding the feeds to superfeedr for people?
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@MozillaBoston
Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge
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@CaptainCalliope
RT @MozillaBoston: Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center http…
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KevinMarks
that's better
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aaronpk
hmm i'm getting a 202 response from superfeedr but it's not making the verify request to me
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aaronpk
doesn't seem to be an SSL error
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kylewm
aaronpk: what feed are you subscribing to?
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aaronpk
kylewm: you've been able to subscribe to my superfeedr hub right?
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aaronpk
it replies with 202
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aaronpk
just never makes the verify request
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kylewm
you send hub.mode, hub.topic, and hub.callback?
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kylewm
it would be nice if superfeedr had a little more diagnostic info... rather opaque
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aaronpk
and if I send a bad topic URL it rejects it
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aaronpk
yeah more debugging info would be great
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aaronpk
i'm gonna have to write a hub now aren't i
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@isaacchansky
RT @MozillaBoston: Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center http…
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acegiak
morning, all
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aaronpk
morning
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: the point of indieweb was to replace our own use of Facebook and twitter first
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KevinMarks
worth posting my noterlive links to demos?
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bret
i cant answer that but ill peek at them KevinMarks
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@bengo
RT @MozillaBoston: Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center http…
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bengo
Anyone use identi.ca with indieauth? https://identi.ca/main/remote
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bengo
Seems like can't
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bengo
What is identi.ca
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bengo
identi.ca is A website that "runs pump.io, the high-performance Open Source social engine. It pumps your life in and out of your friends, family and colleagues."
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loqi.me
created /identi.ca (+188) "prompted by bengo https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-17/line/1426628426077 and dfn added by bengo"
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@energyovertime
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the point of indieweb was to replace our own use of Facebook and twitter first
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@CodeForBoston
RT @MozillaBoston: Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center http…
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gRegor`
I thought identica was StatusNet which is now GNU Social, or is there some forking in the history?
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KevinMarks
i think pump.io was as reimplementation
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kylewm
gRegor`: pump.io is totally separate from statusnet/gnusocial. written from scratch, no code in common
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kylewm
identi.ca users were migrated from statusnet to pump.io a few years ago
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gRegor`
So identi.ca is still a social network (silo?) of sorts, it just runs on pump.io instead of StatusNet now, right?
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gRegor`
Or is there no hosted version of identi.ca, just self-hosted?
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gRegor`
"New accounts are not created any more; use of own or others' pump.io servers is recommended." according to Wikipedia, so that kinda answers that.
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pdurbin
gRegor`: the former, I think (hosted, runs pump.io)
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gRegor`
Oh.
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pdurbin
statusnet was in php. pump.io is in javascript/node.
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gregorlove.com
edited /identi.ca (-105) "linkify, clean up"
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gregorlove.com
edited /identi.ca (+88) "+history with statusnet, +see also"
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gregorlove.com
created /pumpio (+21) "r"
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kylewm
no new accounts on identi.ca but there are other servers that evan also manages that are accepting new accounts
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gRegor`
Ahh
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fkooman
aaronpk: is there a plan to support distributed indieauth on indiewebcamp.com?
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aaronpk
Yes, once IndieAuth.com supports it
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aaronpk
If you try right now with an authorization endpoint specified on your site you'll see a little note "is coming soon"
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fkooman
aaronpk: oh it will still go through indieauth.com? https://monocle.p3k.io/ works with distributed indieauth :)
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aaronpk
Yes because the last thing I want to do is write more mediawiki plugin
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acegiak
Anyone got a second to tell me if my unityplayer embed is working?
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acegiak
cause I'm on linux which apparently there isn't a player for
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fkooman
aaronpk: yeah, i saw the code ;)
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acegiak
Yay! Now if I repost a thing with pictures some of the pictures display on twitter
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Loqi
yay!
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sensible.mn
edited /2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (+304) "/* Participants */"
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GWG
Good news everyone.
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GWG
I can get to Boston earlier
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