#indiewebcamp 2015-03-24

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@davidpeach1
Began the process of adding webmentions to my site tonight. Half way there.
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@NorthCreekSoft
#smallbusiness #ownyourdata #Excel @xOverTime vs. @CollateBox - which is a better guardian of your spreadsheet data?
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kylewm
!tell GWG I use this https://github.com/esripdx/Static-Maps-API-PHP hosted on my server and cache the images with a bit of custom python. ht aaronpk for the excellent lib
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@bookprescom
Facebook Testing ‘Interested’ Button for Events Again? >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=617098&utm_content=bufferb7693&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from David Cohen. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth…
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cweiske
Loqi, what's your bug tracker url?
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Loqi
is done
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@Bali_Maha
@JeffreyKeefer @jgmac1106 @mcjsa with brid.gy and webmentions the blogger can include tweets as comments on their blog. Will show u one
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Micropub (+185) "/* Adding Files */ clarify"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Micropub (+129) "/* Scope */ clarify scope"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Micropub (+339) "/* Nested Microformat Objects */"
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bengo
I posted my first 'post', describing what currently powers bengo.is http://bengo.is/
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bengo
Not permalinked... I'll do that tomorrow to secure my http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning
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fkooman
morning :)
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@WWRuhr
Nach dem #bcruhr8 ist vor dem #WWRuhr: Am Donnerstag gibt es IndieWeb-Movement mit @textformer. Alle Infos: http://www.meetup.com/wwruhr/events/221363578/
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@wwnrw
RT @WWRuhr: Nach dem #bcruhr8 ist vor dem #WWRuhr: Am Donnerstag gibt es IndieWeb-Movement mit @textformer. Alle Infos: http://t.co/kU63tW…
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@fernmuendlich
RT @WWRuhr: Nach dem #bcruhr8 ist vor dem #WWRuhr: Am Donnerstag gibt es IndieWeb-Movement mit @textformer. Alle Infos: http://t.co/kU63tW…
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@expositio
RT @WWRuhr: Nach dem #bcruhr8 ist vor dem #WWRuhr: Am Donnerstag gibt es IndieWeb-Movement mit @textformer. Alle Infos: http://t.co/kU63tW…
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GWG
Good morning
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Loqi
GWG: kylewm left you a message 10 hours, 51 minutes ago: I use this https://github.com/esripdx/Static-Maps-API-PHP hosted on my server and cache the images with a bit of custom python. ht aaronpk for the excellent lib http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-23/line/1427160086891
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petermolnar
good morning
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GWG
How are things, petermolnar?
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petermolnar
I'm getting brutally tired of WordPress and looking ad Grav to move my stuff; not entirely convinced yet because it would require a lot of work from my side :)
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petermolnar
what is on your mind?
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GWG
petermolnar: I could say hair.
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petermolnar
we probably don't need one, Loqi
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Loqi
dude
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GWG
Still stuck in Location land.
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petermolnar
have you seen http://getgrav.org/ yet? you may also be interested
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GWG
I think I'll stay with WordPress for now.
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ben_thatmustbeme
too short? its hard to get all the thoughts in without being way too brief
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Indiewebcamp is for those who don't want to take control or do want?
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david.shanske.com
edited /WordPress_Data (-221) "/* Geodata */"
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ben_thatmustbeme
fixed GWG, thanks
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ben_thatmustbeme
i went through so many versions of it
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GWG
Short is hard
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats why i've been struggling so much
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GWG
I'm still stuck on location.
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GWG
Still trying to get the design right.
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm completely revising my storage for comments, likes, mentions, etc
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ben_thatmustbeme
all merged in to one table of "interactions"
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ben_thatmustbeme
allows me to keep every revision of them too
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Same problem. I'm playing with storage. Specifically the relationship between venue and post
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@kirilind
RT @OuiShareLabs: First hello from @ouisharelabs Known site, #POSSE-d to other channels! Looking forward to your webmentions :-) https://t.…
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@elfpavlik
RT @OuiShareLabs: First hello from @ouisharelabs Known site, #POSSE-d to other channels! Looking forward to your webmentions :-) https://t.…
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@greenhost
Nudging toward the indieweb. All our WP blogposts will be forwarded to #diaspora as of today. Thnx to this plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-to-diaspora/
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gRegor`
What is Diaspora?
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Loqi
Diaspora (or D*) is an open source project for hosting a social network on your own server that federates with other Diaspora instances, which are called "pods" https://indiewebcamp.com/Diaspora
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@andkjaer
STUDY: Facebook Pages’ Organic Reach Is Not Quite Dead >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=617066&utm_content=buffer8b454&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from David Cohen. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth…
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@suryaadrians
RT @metrotipu: #BeritaBohong #PimredGendut #MediaBlackout #JurnalismeBusuk @RepublikBoneka #BoikotDetikCom @PresidenBoneka #IndieWeb http:/…
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
heads-up: about to invite a bunch of folks to the FB event for this week's HWC in SF, expect a Loqi flood imminently.
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Loqi
yeah!
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tantek
interesting example of a quotation "tweet" with a longer quotation uploaded as an image! https://twitter.com/spigot/status/580400329595961344
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tantek
KevinMarks: do you have a name for that antipattern? the "put a big block of text in an image and share it that way because social networks suck at sharing structured text" anti-pattern?
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cweiske
s/structured//
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snarfed
wow. bridgy's superfeedr usage (used to give webmention support to tumblr, blogger, etc) skyrocketed in the last month
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snarfed
even with no corresponding growth/signup spike for that feature itself
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cweiske
is there a stats page?
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snarfed
on superfeedr yes, but it's not public
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snarfed
"new/updated blog post" notifs from superfeedr hung out comfortably <1k/mo for the last year or so, then jumped to 13k in feb
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snarfed
interesting
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tantek
hey I *just* switched my site to using Superfeedr last week so it's not my fault ;)
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snarfed
i did wonder about the recent PuSH interest here, but superfeedr also polls sites and sends notifs either way, so i doubt it's that
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cweiske
push was next on my todo list, thus my interest in it
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snarfed
my first time paying julien51 money. :P definitely worth it
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tantek
btw I want to capture this from that quote tweet just so we have it in text: “As writers, we don’t need companies like Medium to tell us how to use the web.”
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cweiske
"null" december on that screenshot
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tantek
well at least the null December label is consistent ;)
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snarfed
!tell cwieske (re stats, i assume you've seen https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy )
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
and there we go
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tantek
Thanks bridgy and Loqi :)
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Loqi
you're welcome
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tantek
lolol
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snarfed
sad that the invitetext doesn't have people's names
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snarfed
off to file an issue
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sparverius
loqi, shhhhhh
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Loqi
who, me?
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kylewm
snarfed: any idea if it's subscribed to one very high volume feed (like the irc logs)
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snarfed
kylewm: yeah that's my guess too. i have a todo to find out
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snarfed
kylewm: i don't see deep per-feed analytics like that on superfeedr's dashboard, so i'll probably just dig into the bridgy datastore
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kylewm
snarfed: cool
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snarfed
kylewm: not jumping on it right away, so feel free to poke around if you want
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gRegor`
/invite the-whole-internet to HWC
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gRegor`
Feeling tired, Loqi?
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petermolnar
for in {1..[latest facebook id]}; do invite_all_the_people; done
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todrobbins
I just authenticated via webmention.io and added the <link> tags to my site
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todrobbins
it that all that is necessary?
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tantek
hey todrobbins what are you trying to accomplish?
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todrobbins
enable notifications when my personal domain is linked to
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todrobbins
is that the purpose of webmentions? or am I misreading?
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todrobbins
maybe I need a quick run down on the differences between webmention and pingback
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tantek
you still need to poll / handle the webmentions from webmention.io but yes :)
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tantek
webmention = pingback - xmlrpc
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todrobbins
tantek: I’m a relative newcomer to implementing indiewebcamp tech :D
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tantek
welcome! and keep asking questions :)
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tantek
hey how do I update my home page with micropub?
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tantek
as in, my home page h-card?
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tantek
anyone know? anyone thought about it?
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jonnybarnes
surely just another request to your API endpoint?
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jonnybarnes
with values like h=card&name=My Full Name or something
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jonnybarnes
the micropub api is just form encoded http requests
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jonnybarnes
updating a h-card would be pretty similar to updating a h-entry wound't it?
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tantek
yes that seems reasonable - just curious if anyone is doing it!
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tantek
or if there are any micropub clients that support reading/updating the h-card of a home page?
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jonnybarnes
not yet, I'm currently working on my client/endpoint to get syndication targets
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jonnybarnes
hmmm, why would a client need to read your h-card?
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jonnybarnes
only use case I can think of would be to change/update it
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jonnybarnes
something like an indie-reader (\w its own micropub client) might want to consume your h-card
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tantek
right, to edit it
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tantek
presumably it would need to read it to show you what the current values are so you could updated it :)
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: wouldn't you just fetch and parse the html to read it?
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: doesn't support transactions, but oh well
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tantek
snarfed, the question is whether there is explicit UI for reading/updating a home page vs. a post permalink
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: sure. should work either way though, right?
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: maybe with some logic for author property vs not, h-cards inside vs outside entries, etc
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cweiske
does someone have a pubsubhubbub client I can use to test my server?
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tantek
cweiske: I believe both Woodwind and Monocle are pubsubhubbub consumers
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tantek
and publicly accessible via IndieAuth login!
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zachdonovan
what is woodwind?
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Loqi
Woodwind is Kyle Mahan's minimalist open source indie reader https://indiewebcamp.com/Woodwind
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zachdonovan
haha, sweet :)
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tantek
zachdonovan: welcome to Loqi :)
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zachdonovan
thanks loqi!
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Loqi
you're welcome
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todrobbins
aaronpk: any particular reason why we have /notes, /photos, /posts, but /event (singular)?
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todrobbins
ah, just noticed that /events is for IndieWebCamp events
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todrobbins
carry on!
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tantek
todrobbins: and /videos is for videos about indiewebcamp
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tantek
in general for the post type one should refer to the singular
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tantek
there may be convenience redirects for some of the plurals
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tantek
or in some cases, due to the awkward sound of the singulr
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tantek
what are comics?
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Loqi
comics are one of many types of posts that you can publish on your own site, and usually involve one or more comic image frames laid out sequentially, sometimes with characters drawn in each frame speaking to each other https://indiewebcamp.com/comics
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ben_thatmustbeme
have not sent it yet. Its hard to try to stay as so short
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@4c4d
@setient if you're concerned about controlling your communication, look into #indieweb .
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ben_thatmustbeme
just going to send that response along now then
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, guess tantek isn't going to respond :P
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loqi.me
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tantek
what?
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ben_thatmustbeme
before i send it
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gRegor`
Couple grammar fixes for GWG's, if you're sending that part
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gRegor`
"the idea resonate": resonates; "That idea is that": The idea
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ben_thatmustbeme
he sent that already
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gRegor`
k
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions (+3) "minor changes, formatting"
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tantek
ah - reading now
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tantek
oops - sorry was being messaged from a few fronts
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tantek
I don't suppose you want to see edits now?
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tantek.com
edited /2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions (+43) "made a few suggested edits just in case"
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GWG
I figured that they would edit it.
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@PresidenBoneka
RT @metrotipu: #BeritaBohong #PimredGendut #MediaBlackout #JurnalismeBusuk @RepublikBoneka #BoikotDetikCom @PresidenBoneka #IndieWeb http:/…
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cweiske
tantek_, bret - I'd rather have one built for debugging with debug output and logging and such
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@awoods
@Krogsgard I've been thinking more about owning my own data, and reading up on Indie Web. Check out http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ and @indiewebcamp
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@Nadreck
@benwerd @withknown Looking forward to it. I kind of feel like a goal of #indieweb projects is to encourage human connection.
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benwerd
+1 to that.
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@awoods
I think #indieweb is the way forward. I wonder about discovery though. If I visited an indieweb website - how would I know?
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KevinMarks
tantek, I don't have a name for posting images of longer quotes particularly though I did recently retroPOSSE my post on it to medium https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/facebook-twitter-and-google-plus-shun-html-causing-the-infographic-plague-5eaac57a7d4e KevinMarks
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KevinMarks
There are people calling it "screenshorts"
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KevinMarks
Someone wrote a wonderful post about telling the spread of a meme by the layers of screen capture/Jpeg artifacts it includes
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tantek
that sounds like something entirely different :/
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tantek
is anyone else offended by that oddly formatted English date slug?
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KartikPrabhu
offended is a strong word, bothere yes me too
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tantek
!tell snarfed in case you can plan that far in advance, would be great to have you at the 2015-04-22 HWC SF meetup (that's ~ a month from now), as it looks like we'll be getting a special guest (Eric Meyer) who is on WordPress and very interested in getting some interactive guidance on WP indieweb plugins!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
what is security?
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Loqi
security in the context of the indieweb may refer to security concerns regarding personal domains, web hosting, https setup, private data, identity etc https://indiewebcamp.com/security
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: perhaps add to that page ^^^ ?
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: logging in to the wiki redirects back to homepage is that expected?
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tantek
WordPress Outreach Club - I sent Eric Meyer to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress - now we'll see what happens
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I noticed that too
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tantek
wish (thought) it would redirect back to the page
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KartikPrabhu
it used to
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KartikPrabhu
what is wordpress
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Loqi
WordPress is an open source blog software as well as a blog hosting service https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress
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kartikprabhu.com
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: added links to Wordpress security as it was more appropriate
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gRegor`
What is WordPress Security?
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kartikprabhu.com
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tantek
makes sense
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gRegor`
What is WordPress Security?
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Loqi
One of the most important things for new users to do is to properly secure their Wordpress installation https://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress_Security
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sparverius
woah! that has some not good advice
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KartikPrabhu
sparverius: the links I added?
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sparverius
just the page in general
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sparverius
im fixing it
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KartikPrabhu
yes good :)
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KartikPrabhu
maybe add as a comment by you in case the "not goodness" is debated :)
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sparverius
KartikPrabhu: well it's pretty well accepted security advice for WP
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KartikPrabhu
sure. then maybe some references would be good
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KartikPrabhu
wiki pages have been accused of being one-sided before
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KartikPrabhu
also I am no security expert, so I really can't distinguish between good and bad advice. So references are useful :)
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gRegor`
What's the bad advice on there?
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sparverius
gRegor`: i didnt say bad
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sparverius
just not as good as it could be ;)
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@NorthCreekSoft
#ownyourdata does anyone else export everything to #Excel and then export again via csv to reporting tools?
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sparverius
the problem with wordpress is that it's often thrown up by someone knew to self publishing, and frankly, its built in security options could be better (mandating strongpasswords and built in fail2ban, for example)
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sparverius
and then Mary's Cat Blog becomes FREE RUSSIAN HORSE MEDICINE
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sparverius
because mary used "password" as her password and wordpress was like "FINE BY ME"
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gRegor`
Still my favorite WordPress plugin :) http://gregorlove.com/notes/2015/02/19/3/
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cweiske.de
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cweiske.de
created /phubb (+93) "Created page with "Open source standalone PHP [[PubSubHubbub]] server by [[User:cweiske.de]]. Work in progress.""
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gRegor`
!tell benwerd I got a 202 on this webmention on 3/23, but it never appeared. http://gregorlove.com/notes/2015/03/23/2/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret
!tell cweiske http://requestb.in/ is helpful for PuSH debugging, and those clients offer some degree of feedback on PuSH configuration. plus you can ask aaronpk or kylewm
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret
!tell cweiske im not sure of clients that provide super detailed debugging info for push
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks
tantek_: should we adopt shitpic as the name for textual quotations?
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GWG
Good evening, campers.
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: For feedback, or you think I'm not escaping?
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KartikPrabhu
to see if it is relevant/useful to Wordpress users as a whole
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GWG
Developers, yes. Plain users, not necessarily.
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KartikPrabhu
that works then
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KevinMarks
now twitter is dming me shitpic posts by ev
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KevinMarks
what is a shitpic?
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GWG
Adding a new 'itch'.
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KevinMarks
shitpic is the practice of posting a screengrab rather than text to a silo that constrains text length or otherwise makes formatted posting hard. The term was coined in http://www.theawl.com/2014/12/the-triumphant-rise-of-the-shitpic whcih discusses how ‘if you look at a Shitpic, you can instantly tell the level of virality by how worn it looks, how legible its text is, how many watermarks adorn it. You can count them much
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loqi.me
created /shitpic (+455) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-24/line/1427239764491 and dfn added by KevinMarks"
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gRegor`
doesn't really care for the term "shitpic"
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gRegor`
The term seems to be more about the ease of screencapping to re-share vs uploading the original, not so much about getting around text length limits.
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gRegor`
When it came up earlier, I thought you were referring to people purposefully screencapping longer text to get around the limits.
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