#indiewebcamp 2015-03-26

2015-03-26 UTC
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tantek
not quite an RSVP
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tantek.com
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KartikPrabhu
pardon the horribly stupid language
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: Trying noterlive with @pwcc's localstorage patch
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KevinMarks
!tell @pwcc how do I tell the noterlive patch has fixed things? (I never saw a problem on chrome)
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KevinMarks
is this an iOS thing
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tantek
we are getting started with HWC here in SF!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: welcome to SF homebrew website club where it's all about what you want to put up on your own domain or on the web
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@iEuno
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: welcome to SF homebrew website club where it's all about what you want to put up on your own domain or on the…
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: I just changed my twitter id - I can't be @kylewm on twitter so I got this one
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: if you file a support ticket you can reclaim an unused twitter handle - that's how I got @bengo
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: if you do change your twitter handle, do reclaim the old one, as otherwise external links will fail
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: AOL and Yahoo have both started reissuing email addresses, which can get confusing
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: all external links to twitter go to handles, not userids
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: at livefyre we store the twitter id, not the handle so that it does persist across changes
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: i've looked into the process of getting TLD this week, and it is very expensive
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: I just changed my twitter id - I can't be @kylewm on twitter so I got this one
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: the twitter linking in general goes to the @ name not the userid which is fragile
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: at livefyre we have to do an api call to get the persistent id - there was an external url before, not sure now
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: we had to remove all facebook @ mentions because of the api 2.0 changes
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewmahan: we had the same issue with brid.gy and unable to link to facebook users reliably
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: you can link to twitter userids via twitter intents - eg @t is https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=11628
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I'm https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=57203 on twitter - clearly low numbers have bragging rights like short handles, eh @t
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: http://www.noterlive.com/ uses twitter to look up names and URLs - if you don't have a url set it uses a twitter url
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indie-visitor
bodyHtml: "<p><a vocab="http://schema.org" typeof="Person" rel="nofollow" resource="acct:normal1@qa-prod.fyre.co" data-lf-handle="" data-lf-provider="livefyre" property="url" target="_blank" class="fyre-mention fyre-mention-livefyre">@<span property="name">normal1</span></a> replying test</p>",
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Indiewebcamp cambridge was last week, and had more people than last year and more diverse in terms of users
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: one guy got drupal webmentions working. Drupal is a CMS like wordpress, and he made a webmention plugin
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: supporting webmentions is one of the best ways to make a CMS indieweb friendly
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: webmention was made by Sandeep Shetty http://www.sandeep.io/webmention/ - he's in india and none of us here have met him
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tantek
demos on day 1 of IWC Cambridge 2015 started here: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-19#t1426775924845
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tantek
demos on day 2 of IWC Cambridge 2015 started here: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-20#t1426880947104
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: at indiewebcamp we did a lot of demos at the end of what people got working over the 2 days
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: someone built an implementation of the http LINK verb - but no-one responds to it. You have to start somewhere
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: someone got a demo of http://tilde.club running indieweb sites
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: someone else got @withknown working on a tor onion address
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: @rhiaro got posts working on her own website, and event RSVPs to indie events - webmentions for RSVPs
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: a lot of people worked on locations of a note versus location checkins explicitly into a venue
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bengo
:( tilde.club is no longer accepting members
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bengo
"""tilde.club can't handle any more new members right this moment we are very sorry :( But there is a waitlist"""
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: in microformats there is no inheritance, just top-level objects that can have properties, so you don't get implied oddness
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kylewm
bengo: http://tilde.town/ is still open, and i can vouch for the sysadmin
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kylewm
(it's not me even though it kind of sounded like that)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: hierarchies go back to Aristotle, and make sense for filing books that have to be in one place, but not how we think
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: we instead think of things relative to prototypes - robins have more birdness than penguins or emus
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: twitter having @foursquare will make it more interesting to check in to places and it gets around the character
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: I want to post a location to twitter to add context or irony to a location
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: we take advantage of twitter geocoding to see what tweets are where at @livefyre
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I went to a @gigaom conference and learned that they are running tons of geolocation anlaytics
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: geolocation has population density issues - it is hard because population density is a fractal
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kylewm.com
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: a lot of us worked on event support at indiewebcamp cambridge - redwind does it and known
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: what do you need as well as a posting of an event on your site?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: you then need to send invitations and accept RSVPs too, and they expect comments too - lots of thinsg involved
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GWG
Good evening
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: I've been setting up my domain as an excuse to learn things like google compute engine and docker
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: if you have your own domain ideally it's pretty cheap -what happens if it is bigger than you can handle?
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ben_thatmustbeme
wow, completely rewrote my models in one fell swoop and I think it was all successful
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: I have set up my dns record to go to a google load balancer so it can go across multiple sites
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: it's easier to migrate things across a redundant array of inexpensive clouds with static files
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: I am using docker to migrate images between different cloud services
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rhiaro
is enjoying following HWC between flights
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@Eliservescent
"the internet archive exists." @kevinmarks #indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: don't forget to ask the internet archive to index your urls as you post them, and they will host CCd audio and video
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @bengo: I have set up my dns record to go to a google load balancer so it can go across multiple sites
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: it's easier to migrate things across a redundant array of inexpensive clouds with static files
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: scaling is an interesting problem - one of the things we do is make it as dirt simple as possible
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @bengo: I am using docker to migrate images between different cloud services
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: a personal blog is well suited to flat files - you don't run out of database connection
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: don't forget to ask the internet archive to index your urls as you post them, and they will host CCd…
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek throws down the files/db gauntlet
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KartikPrabhu
fight fight
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ben_thatmustbeme
caches any queries so he never runs out of connections
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: kafka is good at queueing a lot of links in response to a twitter-like burst of queues
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @bengo: google used to have a pubsubhubbub part in analytics
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torrorist
indiewebcamp cambridge got me all inspired, so i spent the day setting up a vps at linode and getting known going at cassie.wtf, which i bought last night.
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tantek
there's a .wtf TLD?!?
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tantek
torrorist: awesome!
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torrorist
yes! went live a few months ago :-)
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Justin20150325
there's a .terrorist?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I deployed PuSH 0.4 for updates from my homepage - I switched from google's hub to superfeeder
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we now have multiple people implementing PuSH 0.4 posting and reading
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@sethgoldstein
RT @benwerd: If I've learned one thing, it's that businesses rarely make ideological decisions. Important for #indieweb / open source to gr…
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: scaling is an interesting problem - one of the things we do is make it as dirt simple as possible
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@Strabd
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: a personal blog is well suited to flat files - you don't run out of database connection
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-03-25.html
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@pcosdeaf
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-03-25.html
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@energyovertime
RT @t: #indieweb: “As writers, we don’t need companies like Medium to tell us how to use the web. Or define ... http://tantek.com/2015/083/t2/indieweb-writers-web
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@bengo
RT @mapkyca: @benwerd And what is choosing to chase the bottom line instead of what's moral if not an ideological decision? #indieweb
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@Inkwater_Masha
"…when in the end your opinion is probably the least important. It’s the audience that matters." http://www.thebookdesigner.com/2015/03/brian-south/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter #indieauth
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@TheWritingGeek
"…when in the end your opinion is probably the least important. It’s the audience that matters." http://www.thebookdesigner.com/2015/03/brian-south/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter #indieauth
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@brianjesse
RT @t: #indieweb: “As writers, we don’t need companies like Medium to tell us how to use the web. Or define ... http://tantek.com/2015/083/t2/indieweb-writers-web
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@andkjaer
Facebook Testing ‘Interested’ Button for Events Again? >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=617098&utm_content=buffere9b22&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from David Cohen. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth…
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@textformer
Heute gibt es übrigens KEIN @WWRuhr-Treffen! Das #indieweb-Thema wird verschoben. http://www.meetup.com/wwruhr/events/221363578/
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@screengui_de
Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. https://twitter.com/screengui_de/status/581057933380870144/photo/1
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@dissolve333
Been working pretty heavily on Postly over the past few days. IndieWebCamp is great for inspiring you to build. (btmb.me s/8R)
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@Flocke
RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/…
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cweiske
aaronpk, is the loqi source code public?
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Loqi
cweiske: bret left you a message on 3/24 at 3:31pm: http://requestb.in/ is helpful for PuSH debugging, and those clients offer some degree of feedback on PuSH configuration. plus you can ask aaronpk or kylewm http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-24/line/1427236290137
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Loqi
cweiske: bret left you a message on 3/24 at 3:32pm: im not sure of clients that provide super detailed debugging info for push http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-24/line/1427236341584
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Loqi
yeah!
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@VolkerZ
RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/…
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@pfefferle
RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/…
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@AmAbgrund
RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/…
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@beckenhaub
RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/…
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tantek
!tell KevinMarks thanks again for http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-03-25.html ! Perhaps consider linking to the wiki page for the event somewhere near the top?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
good morning
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Loqi
aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 3/23 at 1:02pm: just added a quick note about file uploading to /micropub, you should probably refine http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-23/line/1427140941798
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aaronpk
thanks ben_thatmustbeme already took a look :)
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aaronpk
cweiske: some of the Loqi source is public, but not the bits that give him personality
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ben_thatmustbeme
i was wondering how many messages you would have when you got back... not as many as I expected
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aaronpk
*whew*
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aaronpk
looks like a good HWC last night
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/got back/got back online/
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aaronpk
or whatever night that was. timzones are hard
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: i was wondering how many messages you would have when you got back online... not as many as I expected
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ben_thatmustbeme
haha, yeah, but i expect if you went back and looked at all the times your name was mentioned there would be a lot
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Loqi
ahahaha
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aaronpk
reads logs
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aaronpk
i've been skimming logs on my phone periodically, but haven't had a chance to get on IRC in the last couple days
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aaronpk
time to test out my new PuSH 0.4 hub, Switchboard :)
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cweiske
how far are you?
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aaronpk
in what sense of the word "far"?
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cweiske
feature complete
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cweiske
I'm currently integrating gearman into phubb
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aaronpk
ah cool
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gRegor`
Hah. Instead of redirecting this URL, they just updated the PDF contents with links. https://itunesconnect.apple.com/docs/iTunesConnect_DeveloperGuide.pdf
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cweiske
so sending notifications can be parallelized
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aaronpk
in theory it's working. not much as far as interface goes, but it does have some diagnostic info
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aaronpk
hmm how do PuSH subscribers know I switched hubs?
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aaronpk
I suppose they'll have to re-subscribe after their current superfeedr one expires, so they'll find it then
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aaronpk
there appears to be no way to change it before that
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cweiske
you don't know your subscribers
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cweiske
.. yet
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aaronpk
so I should continue to ping superfeedr for 2 weeks or so
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aaronpk
(i think that's how long the superfeedr subscriptions last?)
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cweiske
no idea how the max lease time is on superfeedr
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cweiske
s/how/what/
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Loqi
cweiske meant to say: no idea what the max lease time is on superfeedr
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cweiske
s/i/ii/
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cweiske
Loqi, ?
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kylewm
aaronpk: I check whether the push hub has changed every time woodwind fetches a feeed
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kylewm
and subscribe to the new one if it does -- q.v. tantek changing to superfeedr last weekish
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cweiske
kylewm, shouldn't you not fetch feeds if they support push?
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kylewm
cweiske: you're supposed to still poll, just at a lower frequency
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kylewm
in case something has changed, or push is broken
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zachdonovan
a very late good morning to you all!
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aaronpk
kylewm: that's interesting
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aaronpk
hm i was under the impression the hub could fall back to polling but didn't expect the subscribers to fall back to polling
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aaronpk
fwiw I don't plan to make monocle do any feed polling on its own
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aaronpk
instead, it relies on the hub to send notifications of content
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kylewm
intresting, what do you do now for feeds that don't support push?
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aaronpk
nothing
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aaronpk
i may make Switchboard (the hub) fall back to polling
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aaronpk
s/may/will
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Loqi
aaronpk meant to say: i will make Switchboard (the hub) fall back to polling
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aaronpk
and since superfeedr and switchboard are the only hubs that support 0.4 right now, that measn 100% of them do their own polling of feeds for publishers that don't send pings
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cweiske
how do you determine if publishers do not send pings?
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aaronpk
if the publisher doesn't have a hub specfiied?
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cweiske
so your reader detects the hub, and if there is no hub it is hard-coded to use your switchboard instance
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aaronpk
that seems like a reasonable plan
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aaronpk
i haven't done that yet though
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aaronpk
i think that's how superfeedr is intended to work as well
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kylewm
so I think if you use superfeedr that way, you just subscribe to *every* feed in superfeedr
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kylewm
and it decides whether to subscribe via push or polling
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kylewm
it's sort of like one more level above PuSH
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kylewm
aaronpk: does monocle use the content of pings from superfeedr?
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aaronpk
kylewm: no
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aaronpk
and switchboard just doesn't send any content
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kylewm
there's still some fairly significant latency between when i make a post and when it shows up in woodwind
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kylewm
need to track that down
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kylewm
it's like 6-20 seconds right now
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aaronpk
hm that's more than i'd expect
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cweiske
so. phubb uses gearman everywhere now and should work :)
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cweiske
it already sends the content in the POST request
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cweiske
along with a number of http headers it got from the server
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cweiske
is woodwind or monocle easier to install locally?
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kylewm
almost certainly monocle because php
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aaronpk
never tried woodwind, but monocle is a relatively simple php app. I haven't documented install instructions for it tho
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aaronpk
it requires apache or nginx rules to route everything through index.php
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cweiske
kylewm, the woodwind source code url is not mentioned on the web frontend
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kylewm
mm, that's a good point, thanks cweiske
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cweiske.de
edited /PubSubHubbub (+84) "/* Hubs */"
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cweiske.de
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aaronpk
oh hey superfeedr subscribed to one of my feeds
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cweiske
aaronpk, could you enable hsts on indiewebcamp.com, or simply redirect all http to https urls?
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cweiske
and make the irc logs link to the https version?
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aaronpk
cweiske: i can't redirect http->https until i get some sort of image proxy working, otherwise there are insecure content warnings everywhere
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cweiske
what images are linked via http?
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aaronpk
all sorts of images hotlinked everywhere
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aaronpk
icons on /irc-people for example
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aaronpk
but lots of other places
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aaronpk
oops helps if i ping the right hub
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aaronpk
kylewm: i just got ~8 seconds from posting a like to it showing up in woodwind using switchboard as the hub
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aaronpk
now my head hurts because i have all three parts of PuSH in active memory
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edited /Micropub (+5951) "adds a "Syntax" section describing the micropub syntax without the specifics of h-entry etc"
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aaronpk
anyone who has implemented Micropub, I'd appreciate a review of this new section https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub#Syntax
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aaronpk
it's my attempt at documenting micropub syntax outside the scope of making an h-entry or a specific content type
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gRegor`
Should readers be parsing/displaying the liked URL for posts like this, or should we use different markup so it shows up in readers? https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/like-thomasbyttebier-icons-text-label
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gRegor`
I just get KartikPrabhu's comment on the liked URL there, not the liked URL (in Woodwint)
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gRegor`
s/wint/wind/
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Loqi
gRegor` meant to say: I just get KartikPrabhu's comment on the liked URL there, not the liked URL (in Woodwind)
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aaronpk
seems like it's not just a "like" if there's also a comment
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snarfed
aaronpk: new mp syntax section looks great! biggest improvement is just having an intro/overview at all
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message on 3/24 at 1:46pm: in case you can plan that far in advance, would be great to have you at the 2015-04-22 HWC SF meetup (that's ~ a month from now), as it looks like we'll be getting a special guest (Eric Meyer) who is on WordPress and very interested in getting some interactive guidance on WP indieweb plugins! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-24/line/1427230006150
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snarfed
aaronpk: huh, interesting. looks liked you switched from url to mp-url for updating an existing entry?
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gRegor`
Sure, it's not just a like. That doesn't really answer the question :)
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aaronpk
snarfed: yeah there was some discussion about keeping everything non-content scoped to "mp-*" properties
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snarfed
yeah, i remember
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snarfed
aaronpk: i assume you're not versioning micropub yet…?
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aaronpk
probly not until there's a stable version
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snarfed
and ben_thatmustbeme is the other person you've mainly been iterating with, right?
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snarfed
just checking
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snarfed
aaronpk: and remind me, now all params can be both single or multi-valued w/array notation?
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aaronpk
correct, since I realized all microformats properties can be multi-valued already
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cweiske
aaronpk, monocle only works with beanstalk?
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aaronpk
cweiske: yeah
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aaronpk
what's the queue tihng you use?
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aaronpk
i've been using beanstalkd for years, it's great
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cweiske
I'm trying gearman for phubb
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aaronpk
it looks about equivalent
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aaronpk
btw anyone who wants to try out another PuSH 0.4 hub (kinda experimental) feel free to use it! https://switchboard.p3k.io/
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@benwerd
This work paves the way for infrastructure & devices to post to their own Known site. The #indieweb of things? https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2015/03/26/post-to-your-known-site-from-the-command-line/
(twitter.com/_/status/581138666191396864)
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snarfed
aaronpk++ cool! you should ping brett and maybe brad
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Loqi
aaronpk has 750 karma
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@myriadmystic
RT @benwerd: This work paves the way for infrastructure & devices to post to their own Known site. The #indieweb of things? https://t.co/0i…
(twitter.com/_/status/581140608036642816)
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aaronpk
hehe maybe after i test it a little more :)
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aaronpk
!tell benwerd a lot of your posts are showing up as replies, is there a reason you add "in-reply-to" on the URL you're sharing? http://werd.io/2015/why-developers-should-have-their-own-site-where-they-represent
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske
aaronpk, the monocle schema.sql file is not recent
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cweiske
Base table or view not found: 1146 Table 'phubb.requests' doesn't exist
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aaronpk
oh crap sorry
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cweiske
that's my hub
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aaronpk
hmm it looks right
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cweiske
SQLSTATE[23000]: Integrity constraint violation: 1048 Column 'author_url' cannot be null
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cweiske
aaronpk, my hub has the bug
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aaronpk
is going AFK for a while. dinner time!
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cweiske
aaronpk, I got monocle to hang "This feed is already being processed, re-queuing for later"
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cweiske
but it never finishes
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aaronpk
oh yeah it has trouble un-locking if there's an error
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aaronpk
if you set "refresh_in_progress" to 0 in the feeds table it'll do it again
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cweiske
I tried removing the feed, but that did not help
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cweiske
so, a PR for you aaronpk
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benwerd
Hey, Loqi, do I have any messages?
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Loqi
benwerd: gRegor` left you a message on 3/24 at 3:07pm: I got a 202 on this webmention on 3/23, but it never appeared. http://gregorlove.com/notes/2015/03/23/2/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-24/line/1427234842874
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Loqi
benwerd: aaronpk left you a message 8 minutes ago: a lot of your posts are showing up as replies, is there a reason you add "in-reply-to" on the URL you're sharing? http://werd.io/2015/why-developers-should-have-their-own-site-where-they-represent http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-26/line/1427389958485
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benwerd
Philosophically, everything is a reply to something, isn't it?
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benwerd
(aaronpk: thanks! I'll fix that)
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snarfed
hey btw aaronpk, i don't know if you ever figured out why monocle and twitter-activitystreams don't play nicely together?
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aaronpk
oh yeah haven't looked at that yet
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snarfed
low priority obviously, just curious
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aaronpk
i just dumped the queue I built up while offline the last couple days
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aaronpk
(launched switchboard and posted the micropub syntax updates)
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aaronpk
and so I am off for a bit! time for some german bier!
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snarfed
enjoy!
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@CaptainKurtis
RT @benwerd: This work paves the way for infrastructure & devices to post to their own Known site. The #indieweb of things? https://t.co/0i…
(twitter.com/_/status/581151102961250304)
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@reraiseace
RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/…
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ben_thatmustbeme
i have done quite a bit of work this week on my site, i'm quite happy with what I got done
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: benwerd erinjo congrats on fully launching known pro! <https://withknown.com/pro/>
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ben_thatmustbeme
hopefully by next week i'll have tagging and tags fully up and running :P
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GWG
Snarfed: Saw your note, reading aaronpk's syntax section now
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benwerd
snarfed: thanks!
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG, its a nice write up of it
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm starting to think we should stabilize micropub soon, now that we have wordpress addon
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: As snarfed pointed out, it could use some enhancements
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GWG
I need to build support for it into my Post Kinds plugin,for example.
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ben_thatmustbeme
GWG, next is to add person tagging in
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cweiske
test blog + phubb + monocle = instant feed updates. 0 seconds delay
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cweiske
awesome
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cweiske
now I need monocle to push updates to the browser
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cweiske
is there a feed reader with pubsubhubbub support that pushes updates to the user's browser?
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cweiske
aaronpk, take that
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cweiske
kylewm, does woodwind push updates to the browser?
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kylewm
cweiske: yes
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cweiske
hm. then I need to put phubb online
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cweiske
to test it
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@krisshaffer
Playing around with webmentions on my blog to gather comments from Twitter & FB on original posts. Example: http://kris.shaffermusic.com/2015/01/bell-hooks-and-spiritual-pedagogy/
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tantek
good afternoon #indiewebcamp
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@ashedryden
✨ indie web is laden with the same jerks that corporate web is ✨
(twitter.com/_/status/581189354858553344)
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tantek
which is unfortunate, as it appears to be in the context of a longer twitter argument that preceded it: https://twitter.com/aral/status/581160906689765376
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tantek
which unfortunately appears to be all about Aral's apparent criticism of something called "open" not being "open" in some ways, and very little about anything "indie web"
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tantek
this is a good summary of the problem IMO: https://twitter.com/ashedryden/status/581170759990554624
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@ashedryden
@aral when you attempt to tweet shame someone who is a woman, a person of color, & has 1/30th the followers you have, you incite harassment.
(twitter.com/_/status/581170759990554624)
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tantek
Thus Ashe's original tweet appears to be another instance of "ind.ie == Aral" confusion with "indie web".
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tantek
Note also that any direct replying to Ashe's tweet https://twitter.com/ashedryden/status/581189354858553344 would only seem defensive at best, and sealioning at worst, thus better to just try to listen and have understanding that there is some geniune frustration there.
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@ashedryden
✨ indie web is laden with the same jerks that corporate web is ✨
(twitter.com/_/status/581189354858553344)
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kylewm
I'm not sure we can be so quick to write it off as brand confusion
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tantek
kylewm: given the context of the twitter-fight with Aral, that seems to be the preponderance of (or only source of) evidence
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tantek
if you see actual "indie web" references, please point them out
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@ashedryden
@shanley it’s like they’re re-creating the exact same systemic issues, by design lol
(twitter.com/_/status/581190024193949696)
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tantek
unfortunately that could be *anyone*
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kylewm
and that seems a lot more directed at us than aral
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kylewm
because it's not clear at all what he is building
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tantek
kylewm: I believe that reflects confusion that Aral is any kind of active part of this community or a leader or some such
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tantek
when he has basically gone his own way since last year
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tantek
different than brand confusion sure, but nonetheless the confusion centers on Aral and the way he uses Twitter
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tantek
regardless, we cannot help what Aral does, he's going to speak his mind the way he sees fit
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tantek
what we can do is to keep being productive and welcoming here
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tantek
I think the best "response" is to keep being good and productive and especially supportive of anyone that wants to build their own thing for themselves, whether open source or closed.
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tantek
oh and to keep listening to criticisms even if they're not directly directed at us, or even if they are mistakenly directed at us
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tantek
because even mis-criticisms may contain salient points that may be something we can improve on
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tantek
like that "same systemic issues" critique
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tantek
regardless of whether it was directed at IWC or not, it's something we can work on
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tantek
Here's a good litmus test - I hope I never see anyone here say something as entitled and privileged sounding as this: https://twitter.com/aral/status/581177277679030272
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@aral
@ashedryden The only thing I see worthy of an apology in this exchange is one person calling the other “the nutjob” on a public medium.
(twitter.com/_/status/581177277679030272)
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benwerd
I am seething, honestly.
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benwerd
(And agree with Tantek.)
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benwerd
Anyone who is iterating towards openness should have our mutual support. It's hard enough running an open business without the broader open community turning in on itself.
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tantek
indeed
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tantek
Anyone trying to build *something* for themselves or their community should be encouraged. It's hard enough believing in yourself to keep working on making something without the broader community criticizing you for any number of reasons valid or invalid.
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benwerd
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 172 karma
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@jeffreypatricko
RT @ODNTTheSeries: W/out 4th/final season Muscles STUCK n Ohio w/parents 4EVER! Bring him home @ https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/odnt-mini-movie-finale-or-full-final-season #LGBT #Indieweb htt…
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tantek
I'm writing up my boston-globe-questions answers now
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tantek
trying to focus on being constructive in ways we can
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tantek
if anyone has a minute or so to quickly review
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bret
tantek: link?
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tantek
(open review request)
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tantek
!tell benwerd, aaronpk, ben_thatmustbeme, GWG - wrote my answers to Boston Globe questions, please review #1 and #4 here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd
Looks good to me
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: - wrote my answers to Boston Globe questions, please review #1 and #4 here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-26/line/1427414090306
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tantek
thanks benwerd
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bret
Tantek those are great concise answers!
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tantek
thanks bret! yes it took some iteration :)
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tantek
hoping they're concise enough to get quoted as is