#indiewebcamp 2015-03-28

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ben_thatmustbeme there is always a moment of "did I break anything" when I push updates to my site
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ben_thatmustbeme there are definitely some broken things stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme s/stuff/still/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: there are definitely some broken things still
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ben_thatmustbeme but at least its not MORE broken :)
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pdurbin "Your social network is owned by advertisers." https://ello.co/manifesto
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pdurbin what is Ello?
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Loqi Ello is microblogging silo similar to Twitter or Tumblr for posting short status update notes and pictures https://indiewebcamp.com/Ello
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GWG Good evening.
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Loqi GWG: tantek left you a message 1 day, 1 hour ago: - wrote my answers to Boston Globe questions, please review #1 and #4 here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-26/line/1427414090306
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kylewm pdurbin: what made you think of Ello?
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pdurbin I first heard about it today at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2015-03-27
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kylewm does anybody know Andrew Baron/dembot.com? cited on the ello wiki page, and his domain apparently expired
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kylewm.com edited /Ello (+142) "/* Applied for patents */ link to internet archive" (view diff)
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tantek let's see how good whitespace POSSE's to Twitter
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tantek not bad apparently. https://twitter.com/t/status/581654035872161793
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@t <div class="h-entry"> Thanks <a class="u-in-reply-to" href="https://t.co/GtN4zPHkdf"> @PetraGregorova </a>! </div> (ttk.me t4aM1) (twitter.com/_/status/581654035872161793)
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tantek ^^^ deliberate use of implied p-name :)
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tantek how you lose content in the Twitter web UI: "Internal server error."
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ben_thatmustbeme Woo fixed another bug in my code
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ben_thatmustbeme What's difficult is I don't parse context from within Twitter
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kylewm can anybody tell me why so many google-employee's side projects are (c) Google?
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kylewm I guess it is this http://www.quora.com/Does-Google-require-that-employees-grant-them-the-copyright-to-all-code-they-write-while-employed-by-Google-or-are-employees-allowed-to-own-their-own-non-commercial-side-projects
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kylewm sounds like you can get an exemption but it's a pain
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@riftom RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the point of indieweb was to replace our own use of Facebook and twitter first (twitter.com/_/status/581697258975973376)
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kylewm wow, Known has a lot of support channels
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KevinMarks_ Re Google copyrighting side projects
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Loqi KevinMarks_: tantek left you a message on 3/26 at 7:52am: thanks again for http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-03-25.html ! Perhaps consider linking to the wiki page for the event somewhere near the top? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-26/line/1427381542106
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KevinMarks_ They do actually understand open source and can set it up right, but I think their default boilerplate is like that
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KevinMarks_ I'm also bothered that the default consulting agreements startups get from lawyers seem to be copypasta from Oracle circa 1985
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KevinMarks_ With onerous rights agreements and patent clauses
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@viper82 @dfeyer @skurfuerst POSSE (publish own site syndicate everywhere) https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/581725405222203392)
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@viper82 @sandstorm_tobi @skurfuerst @dpoolmuc See POSSE (Publish Own Site Syndicate Everywhere) https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/581725724995915776)
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@EvilKimau @jfairbairn Check out http://indiewebcamp.com lots of conversations about stuff like this. (twitter.com/_/status/581772932780859393)
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wwelves.org perpetual-tripper edited /Micropub (+422) "/* Adding Files */ suggestion about uploading files in separate request(s)" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme elf-pavlik: perhaps put these on https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub-brainstorming
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ben_thatmustbeme ?
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elf-pavlik ben_thatmustbeme, if you recommend that, i trust that you know better workflow for working on micropub spec and can just move it there!
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elf-pavlik should i just add it to the end of the page?
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elf-pavlik uses english grammar very poorly and often constructs very confusing sentences :(
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i'd write it up at the end in their
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ben_thatmustbeme s/their/there/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: yeah, i'd write it up at the end in there
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ben_thatmustbeme its early
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elf-pavlik :D
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wwelves.org perpetual-tripper edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+512) "/* Uploading files in separate requests */ moved section from micropub#Adding_files" (view diff)
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wwelves.org perpetual-tripper edited /Micropub (-347) "/* Adding Files */ moved suggestion to Micropub-brainstorming#Uploading_files_in_separate_requests" (view diff)
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elf-pavlik ben_thatmustbeme, done!
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@xinitrc @nslater Sounds a bit like #webmentions. While those are probably hard to implement on email providers. (twitter.com/_/status/581807223355154432)
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to figure out the php-mf2-shim for twitter. I want to get the in-reply-to value so I can parse the full twitter context
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm, so this is interesting. I noticed that the php-mf2-shim returns a relative value for a post not absolute
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ben_thatmustbeme that should be fine right?
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ben_thatmustbeme wonders if his code hanldes that correctly.....
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ben_thatmustbeme it worked! MWUHAHAHAHA
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/3/26/8/#comments
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ben_thatmustbeme recursive context in to twitter
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm, now i need to get it to know that I have those tweets on my site and prefer the original
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voxpelli ben_thatmustbeme: nice!
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ben_thatmustbeme created a pull request for it too
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ben_thatmustbeme so indieweb/php-mf2-shim can get it at some point
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ben_thatmustbeme anyone just looking at this, ignore that link for the moment... test to try to fix something :)
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ben_thatmustbeme Even Better!
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ben_thatmustbeme now It prefers my own post as it checks links to see if they are syndicated copies of my posts :D
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ben_thatmustbeme now i need to do the same with twitter
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ben_thatmustbeme s/twitter/comments
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: now i need to do the same with comments
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/3/26/6/
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme++ wow, very impressive.
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 59 karma
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kylewm "same with commetns" == preferring originals to syndicated copies, or fetching the whole thread?
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ben_thatmustbeme preferring originals
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ben_thatmustbeme i was parsing out the permashortcitation but it was actually getting a good amount of error
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ben_thatmustbeme s
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm thinking i'll just add in parsing out syndicated copies and then if I pull in anything (context or comment) i'll store their syndication links and can deduplicate that way
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kylewm i only dedupe based on u-syndication in the original right now
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fkooman aaronpk: did you consider adding indieauth.com to HSTS preload list: http://hstspreload.appspot.com/?
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aaronpk !tell tantek your html is showing! http://tantek.com/2015/086/t1/thanks
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message on 3/26 at 4:54pm: - wrote my answers to Boston Globe questions, please review #1 and #4 here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-26/line/1427414090306
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@davidmead Thanks @mapkyca. I'll keep an eye on the tickets & do a pull tonight /cc @benwerd @kylewmahan #indieweb http://blog.davidjohnmead.com/2015/thanks-mapkyca-ill-keep-an-eye-on-the-tickets-do (twitter.com/_/status/581863319578923008)
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kylewm aaronpk: that was the joke :p
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benwerd <span rel="lol">Oh, HTML microformatting jokes.</span>
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benwerd waits for people to squint at me
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@kylewmahan I’m planning to write some installation docs for #RedWind this weekend, where should I put it? Indieweb wiki, GitHub/README.md, readthedocs? (twitter.com/_/status/581864607528005632)
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jonnybarnes just added hpkp to my site and nothing seems broken :)
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kylewm_ can't reach my server and I don't know why
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kylewm_ trying to reboot
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jonnybarnes http://isup.me/kylewm.com
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jonnybarnes down for me too
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jonnybarnes any luck kylewm_ ?
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kylewm_ digitalocean says "Your event is processing" for about 10 minutes https://cloud-cdn-digitalocean-com.global.ssl.fastly.net/assets/progress-indicator-7d22296d2b1cc9e6a09f4f8173c40444.gif
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kylewm_ might actually find out if my backups have been adequate :p
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Loqi slack/dariusdunlap: sorry, kylewm — I’m getting nothing at your site, too.
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Loqi slack/dariusdunlap: fiwiw, my digitalocean droplet is fine.
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kylewm and it's back...
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dariusdunlap Whew! All ok? What did you find wrong?
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kylewm huh, everything looks normal...
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www.marcus-povey.co.uk edited /Known (+302) "/* No HTTPS support */" (view diff)
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www.marcus-povey.co.uk edited /Known (+13) "/* No HTTPS support */" (view diff)
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@intoxvsinfo #indieauth now activated at http://www.intoxvs.info #indieweb https://twitter.com/intoxvsinfo/status/581910383344095232/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/581910383344095232)
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tommorris Instagram critique: http://www.scoopwhoop.com/news/insta-photo/
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KartikPrabhu i apologise for trying to read the comments
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@AnonMohandas imagine the Web (no FB is not the Web) you already know/use, spice it with #indieauth + #indieweb let it mature to become federated web (twitter.com/_/status/581937110497771520)
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@AnonMohandas yep this is the future, one way or another and I'm not gonna wait the next #myspace to be there : https://twitter.com/AnonMohandas/status/581937110497771520 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/581938461374025728)
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voxpelli Spent the weekend so far refactoring my WebMention endpoint and finally done with a more robust throttling/queue mechanism for lookups
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voxpelli Will push it tomorrow and open up some more accounts for people
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@wm5crawford RT @AnonMohandas: imagine the Web (no FB is not the Web) you already know/use, spice it with #indieauth + #indieweb let it mature to become… (twitter.com/_/status/581943397558185985)
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bret voxpelli++
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Loqi voxpelli has 23 karma
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cuibonobo anyone here with experience with the Facebook API?
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cuibonobo i'm having a hard time deciding if my notes-with-images should be a photo post on facebook
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cuibonobo it seems like you can also create a status post with an `object_attachment`, which is just the ID of an existing album picture
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cuibonobo but it's hard to tell if there will be a UX difference?
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@AnonMohandas @kellyiam83 if you had a #indieweb enabled site you could comment on your website about a page on my website & comment would appear on both (twitter.com/_/status/581952560212344832)
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@AnonMohandas @kellyiam83 #indieweb ultimately will allow people to have federated cross platform cross websites real time conversations #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/581953461794816001)
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@Bali_Maha @JeffreyKeefer @jgmac1106 @mcjsa i think it was a wordpress plugin. U need also the indieweb plugin i believe https://www.brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/581954106501267456)
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cuibonobo according to [this](http://wenda.baba.io/questions/2853898/post-message-with-picture-to-facebook-page-feed-using-graph-api.html), using `object_attachment` will result in UI similar to sharing a link (a small thumbnail with the object's title and a summary)
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cuibonobo so it seems like Facebook doesn't bother with the notes-with-photos vs. photos-with-captions distinction
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cuibonobo if it has an image, it's a photo post. full stop.
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kylewm cuibonobo: I know I have two different ways of posting fb photos from my site
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kylewm one sec, i'll look at the code
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kylewm so yeah right here https://github.com/kylewm/redwind/blob/master/redwind/plugins/facebook.py#L205
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kylewm set fb post_type to 'photo' and set the 'url' parameter to the photo url, or you can create a regular post, and set the 'picture' param to the photo url
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kylewm here's a photo post for example like this: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101205510783649&set=a.10100842548428119.1073741826.12802152&type=1
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cuibonobo see, i think that's where my confusion comes from… I keep seeing people mention the 'picture' key, but it doesn't appear in the API ref: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.3/user/feed/
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kylewm there's a little down arrow next to link, it's under there
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cuibonobo HAH! wow
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cuibonobo kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 147 karma
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kylewm goes to find benwerd's note on the subject
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kylewm https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/560513238467502080
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@benwerd I will say this: Facebook's review process for apps has been helpful, transparent and well-documented, just like their API. Nicely done. (twitter.com/_/status/560513238467502080)
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cuibonobo indeed
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kylewm :D
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cuibonobo thanks dude
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kylewm hmm, this probably needs to be on /POSSE_to_Facebook
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kylewm of course!
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cuibonobo kylewm: so there's no need to actually upload the photo to their server? if i provide a permalink to my photo, FB will retrieve it?
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kylewm yes, unlike the twitter api
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cuibonobo right. that makes things a little easier. (an unexpected twist!)
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@jgmac1106 @Bali_Maha @JeffreyKeefer @mcjsa Bloggers don't like blogger. Haven't played with webmentions though @kevinmarks gives it a big thumbs up (twitter.com/_/status/581959768320921601)
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kylewm I don't understand why Firefox redirects everything to https except the iwc wiki
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kylewm what is featured?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "featured" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=featured&summary=prompted+by+kylewm+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-28%2Fline%2F1427585862929
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kylewm featured is a proposed mf2 property that indicates a representative image for a primarily textual post.
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loqi.me created /featured (+130) "prompted by kylewm https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-28/line/1427585862929 and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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kylewm.com uploaded /File:kylewm-facebook-photo-2015-03-28.png "An example of a facebook "photo" type post."
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kylewm.com uploaded /File:kylewm-facebook-link-with-picture-2015-03-28.png "An example of a Facebook post that links to an original with featured image"
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csarven Meh.. I give up. I can't get "User:csarven.ca" page title to disappear like tantek's. Will look at it later.
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kylewm cuibonobo: did you notice "Creating" on the photos edge says you can't do it? https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.3/user/photos/
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kylewm I guess they just got tired of documenting their api?
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cuibonobo i did, but it's an option in the facebook-sdk package: https://facebook-sdk.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api.html#put-photo
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cuibonobo so i'm taking everything the reference says with a grain of salt
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cuibonobo and if you really want a laugh: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.3/photo#publishing
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cuibonobo /photos docs: use />{user-id}/photos to publish. /users/photos docs: you can't publish from here. sorry. #wat
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kylewm cuibonobo: http://cdn.lolbrary.com/2013/12/9/lolbrary.com_14828_1386606440.jpg
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