#indiewebcamp 2015-03-29

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kylewm.com edited /photo (+71) "/* Facebook */ link to POSSE_to_Facebook" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (+4) "/* Posting Photos via the Facebook API */ linkify OGP reference" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (-3) "/* Facebook API */ move "API disallows liking pages" back to the right section" (view diff)
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KevinMarks wow, google apps for your domain is a real bear to configure
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@jgmac1106 @JeffreyKeefer @Bali_Maha @mcjsa #dmlcommons Here is the link to the selfhosted wordpress plugin https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/ #dmlcommons (twitter.com/_/status/581981385226870784)
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ben_thatmustbeme Finally got some github issues closed on my site
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@jgmac1106 @JeffreyKeefer @Bali_Maha @mcjsa #dmlcommons http://notizblog.org/2014/01/28/howto-webmentions-for-wordpress/ here is a video tutorial (twitter.com/_/status/581982136892289024)
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parzzix ben_thatmustbeme, setting up subdomain on known pro...what does 1799 IN CNAME domains.withknown.com supposed to mean?
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Loqi parzzix: snarfed left you a message on 11/28 at 8:18pm: sorry bridgy's seemed inconsistent for you! do you know if you're missing things entirely? (see https://www.brid.gy/about#missing ) or if they just seem delayed? it slows down a bit if it hasn't sent you a webmention for a while, down to once a day at the slowest, but speeds back up when it sends another, so it could be that.
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ben_thatmustbeme parzzix: no clue. I haven't worked on known at all
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parzzix ben_thatmustbeme, cool. thanks...
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kylewm !tell csarven you piqued my interest. looks like it's the __NOTITLE__ directive http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NoTitle
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm parzzix: you are probably thinking of benwerd :)
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kylewm parzzix: I'm guessing you need to add a CNAME record to domains.withknown.com from your registrar?
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp
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tantek reads logs
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 9 hours, 17 minutes ago: your html is showing! http://tantek.com/2015/086/t1/thanks http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-28/line/1427560975561
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tantek lol aaronpk both you and shaners asked me that ;)
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parzzix hey kylewm , yeah... I set c name record. But it has unusual instructions at end "1799 IN CNAME domains.withknown.com"
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kylewm parzzix: you can !tell benwerd here to leave him a message, or ping him on twitter
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parzzix ok thanks.. will do kylewm
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parzzix !tell benwerd I am setting up subdomain on knownpro... was wondering what the "1799 IN CNAME domains.withknown.com". means in the instructions after setting up the first cname...it's not clear
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek and in today's silo screwups news: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a38309/instagram-apologizes-for-removing-poignant-photos-of-a-woman-on-her-period/
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parzzix !tell benwerd nevermind...i got it figured out.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme++ wow this is incredible threading of your own indieweb posts and Twitter @-replies back & forth! https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/3/26/6/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 60 karma
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tantek ah I see tommorris beat me to it
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tantek what is Instagram
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Loqi Instagram is a popular image hosting silo most well known for square photos that have been processed with an image filter https://indiewebcamp.com/Instagram
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ben_thatmustbeme Thanks tantek
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tantek.com edited /Instagram (+442) "/* Censorship/removal of otherwise innocuous material */ clean up heading, list examples, add menstrual blood to list of things Instagram has censored" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme There's a lot that needs to be done for correctly finding original posts.
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: was at least some of of /original-post-discovery helpful?
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tantek would be great if you could document examples of holes you found, and workarounds
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ben_thatmustbeme I had been doing that for part of it. I was doing PSC parsing but my code messed up and was causing more errors
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm actually just checking for my own post 's syndication links. When I try to parse context I just check to see if it's a syndicated copy of my own posts
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tantek and somehow I accidentally silo-crossposted today from Foursquare
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tantek to Twitter
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tantek my remaining silo usage cluttered my Twitter POSSEing
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tantek now I have to figure out how to PESOS those back :/
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tantek I'm going to make them notes for now (rather than figure out a separate checkin type)
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@HongPong lighting strikes the Cloud again. beware corporate silos! suggest http://indiewebcamp.com #indiewebcamp design principles vs this @violetblue (twitter.com/_/status/582011871177375744)
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GWG Evening.
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tantek wow what did happen to haparamen.tumblr.com ? https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/582009832913289216
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@violetblue Soooo... what the fuck happened to Hapa Ramen's Tumblr?! http://haparamen.tumblr.com/ < there was a lot of amazing history, photos, family there. (twitter.com/_/status/582009832913289216)
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tantek I believe i have successfully manually PESOS'd those accidental cross-silo checkin posts back to my own site, e.g. http://tantek.com/2015/087/t2/athletic-tshirts-sale and http://tantek.com/2015/087/t1/post-bike-riding-yum
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tantek thus I suppose these are manual /checkin posts on my own site - despite there not being location information in them.
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jonnybarnes Google uses the word keep that many times I’m starting to question whether its a word at all http://www.google.com/keep/
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jonnybarnes yet another note keeping app/service
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@matscha Geniale Ausgabe! "@screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. http://t.co/UxfOEcVNLu" (twitter.com/_/status/582128381619269632)
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@voxpelli Preparing some updates for my WebMention endpoint. Some downtime to be expected. (twitter.com/_/status/582148642909396992)
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@voxpelli Updated my WebMention endpoint + released 20 new accounts on it: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ Changelog: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions#changelog #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/582150521076727808)
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@voxpelli @instapaper Any chance you could add a WebHook option amongst the "Connected Accounts"? So one eg. can make it publish to ones indieweb site (twitter.com/_/status/582194557909098496)
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kodfabrik.se edited /webhook (+319) "Added note about GitHub webhook support" (view diff)
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cassie.wtf edited /2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (+232) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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GWG Another slow day
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@py3k brevity - Tweet shortening utility pypi: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/brevity/ www: http://indiewebcamp.com/ #python (twitter.com/_/status/582227260347944960)
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@cool_python RT @py3k: brevity - Tweet shortening utility pypi: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/brevity/ www: http://indiewebcamp.com/ #python (twitter.com/_/status/582228300434710528)
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@taiganaut this #gif's path traces true indie #socialmedia to tumblr http://taiganaut.tumblr.com/post/114947482945/autor-juan-diego-h-t-manuel-originally-by#_=_ #indieweb #diaspora #redmatrix #ostatus #quitter (twitter.com/_/status/582228366377529344)
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cuibonobo kylewm: did you mean to make indiewebcamp.com the home page for that brevity package?
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kylewm no, I did not :p
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kylewm thanks for the heads up
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cuibonobo whoa. i had no idea that github has been under attack for 3 days now: https://github.com/blog/1981-large-scale-ddos-attack-on-github-com
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cuibonobo could this be related to China's DNS poisoning event in january?
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cuibonobo hah. seems like yes: http://insight-labs.org/?p=1682
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cuibonobo "A certain device at the border of China’s inner network" is injecting requests to github.com/greatfire and github.com/cn-nytimes on baidu
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cuibonobo both of those projects are meant to get around chinas great firewall...
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cuibonobo i think another great value of #indieweb that should probably be emphasized more is its resilience to censorship
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cuibonobo for instance, china's great firewall can very easily block facebook.com and twitter.com, but it will have a harder time identifying and blocking individual users on their own domains
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kylewm.com created /brevity (+294) "Created page with "{{stub}} <dfn>Brevity</dfn> is a tiny [[Python]] library for shortening note text to an acceptable length for posting [[Twitter]], accounting for t.co URL shortening. The packag..."" (view diff)
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cuibonobo github is in a very difficult situation right now: the easiest way to mitigate the attack is to block chinese IP addresses
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cuibonobo (that's how many smaller sites dealt with the DNS poisoning in january)
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cuibonobo but blocking chinese IPs means that you would be blocking the very people that would benefit from the firewall-jumping projects
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GWG kylewm: You still around?
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kylewm GWG: yep for a few minutes
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GWG kylewm: I'm still having trouble with nominatim. I was, if you remember, looking at your code and Barnaby's.
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kylewm yes
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GWG Did you ever find any sort of good reference to the fields it might return?
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kylewm I'm not sure I ever looked for anything outside of what barnaby had written up
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GWG I'm having trouble with the difference between village, boro, hamlet, town...etc.
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kylewm GWG: hmm, I'm not sure, I pretty much just use the first one that is available
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kylewm cause generally i just want city, state
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kylewm and it seems like barnaby has been to a lot more hamlets and localities than me, so i feel comfortable deferring to him on the ordering and such :)
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GWG kylewm: I tried using his logic...it didn't quite display right for me
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tantek_ good day #indiewebcamp!
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tantek.com edited /GitHub (+600) "/* Criticism */ subheads, DMCA harassment, DDoS collateral damage" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (-43) "Matt Lee sent regrets saying he wasn't feeling well, sort attendees by full name, update counts, add a couple of images using people's twitter URLs" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Google (+70) "add Google Keep to their list of silos" (view diff)
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@pfefferle RT @voxpelli: Updated my WebMention endpoint + released 20 new accounts on it: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ Changelog: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions#changelog #… (twitter.com/_/status/582256295836835840)
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@kevinmarks RT @voxpelli: Updated my WebMention endpoint + released 20 new accounts on it: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ Changelog: https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions#changelog #… (twitter.com/_/status/582257009795289088)
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rhiaro Hola
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rhiaro Setting up my micropub endpoint
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rhiaro I think I'm being really dumb, it's time to ask for help
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rhiaro I'm literally just trying to catch and log post requests to start with. When I post from aaronpk's Quill it says I'm not setting a Location header, and the ep doesn't actually seem to be getting anything. When I manually curl the exact post that Quill is sending, it works fine and the correct headers are returned
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rhiaro the mvp php if logging requests is here: http://mess.ninjalith.com/micropub
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rhiaro (that's a code snippet, not an endpoint)
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tantek.com edited /checkin (+1021) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add a prototypes section, note manual PESOSed checkin notes, perhaps useful for design purposes" (view diff)
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tantek_ rhiaro, sounds like you're at least making progress!
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tantek_ my attempt to turn yesterday's accidental Swarm->Twitter cross-posting into examples that hopefully we can use for design research purposes: http://indiewebcamp.com/checkin#Prototypes
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rhiaro tantek_: I was kind of hoping not to get stuck at the first hurdle
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tantek_ rhiaro, sounds like you should/could at least capture that first hurdle as an FAQ or a Troubleshooting question on /Micropub
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tantek_ that way you can leave a URL of a question for aaronpk to answer, hopefully capturing it in the wiki, so the next person can more easily overcome that hurdle
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rhiaro Yeah I will. I feel like I'm probably just not handling something properly but I don't know enough about http or php to figure it out..
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rhiaro Though when I look at where Quill is posting to, it seems to be to quill.p3k, not to my micropub endpoint, is that how it's supposed to work?
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kylewm rhiaro: hi, checking what quill looks like for me
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aaronpk Your mentioned the magic word
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aaronpk Is your site https? It could be an ssl issue
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rhiaro aaronpk: not https
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+320) "/* POSSE Notes to Twitter */ POSSE note with photos to Twitter" (view diff)
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aaronpk I'm not on my computer so I can't check, but there should be some debugging info in the quill post interface
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rhiaro yeah, it shows the request that Quill sent - if I send that with curl it's fine. I might be missing something else then. Quill just sends a regular POST right?
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pdurbin aaronpk: what do you use for an IRC client when you aren't on your computer?
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aaronpk Yeah. You're sure you're pointing to the right micro pub endpoint in an http header or link tag?
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aaronpk pdurbin: limechat connected to the same znc my computer client is connected to
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rhiaro Yes, it finds the micropub endpoint (or at least says it does)
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aaronpk Limechat on iOS
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aaronpk rhiaro: does it say what the endpoint it found is?
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aaronpk Oh! Relative url perhaps?
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aaronpk Try an absolute url
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rhiaro oh, my endpoint is /micropub which redirects to micropub.php, could that cause a problem?
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rhiaro it is absolute
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rhiaro wait
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rhiaro wait
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rhiaro found a typo
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rhiaro hold everything
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aaronpk Oh yeah if your endpoint returns an http redirect it won't work
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aaronpk Because post requests can't go through redirects
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rhiaro ohh, also redirect, okay
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rhiaro success!
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rhiaro thanks :)
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aaronpk Sweet
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aaronpk Care to write a quick faq based on that?
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GWG aaronpk: Did I ever welcome you back? If not, consider yourself welcomd
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aaronpk Not really back... Ttyl!
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rhiaro aaronpk: will do
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pdurbin aaronpk: ah, ok. yes, http://limechat.net/iphone/ looks nice
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kylewm I'm excited about this, converted README.md to reStructuredText for a couple of my python libs, and now it looks awesome on pypi https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mf2util
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kylewm rST is more intimidating than i expected though. what's up with all the _'s
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kylewm External hyperlinks, like `Python <http://www.python.org/>`_.
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zachdonovan kylewm: loving the new installation instructions! question, though: do I still need to run qworker.py if I have redis installed? I read the instructions on that point (and only that point) as ambiguous.
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GWG zachdonovan: Any news on NYC?