#indiewebcamp 2015-04-01

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pdurbin KartikPrabhu: nice article on facebook. thanks
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bret sweet, just logged into stack exchange app on my phone using openid indieauth
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JonathanNeal KevinMarks: you around today?
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek... https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/4/1/4/
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tantek reads
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ben_thatmustbeme works from my micropub endpoint just by putting in "http://tantek.com" as the category
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tantek hmm
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ben_thatmustbeme pulls name and corrected url from your h-card on your site
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tantek that makes sense
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tantek wow that's great!
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tantek hmm - there's duplicate Title
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tantek attribute
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tantek souce:
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tantek <span class="category-link"><a class="u-category" href="http://tantek.com/" title="Tantek Çelik">Tantek Çelik</a>
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tantek could be improved to: <span class="category-link"><a class="u-category h-card" href="http://tantek.com/">Tantek Çelik</a>
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ben_thatmustbeme i usually do that, though perhaps it should be the URL in this case
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tantek definitely add it to /person-tag IndieWeb Examples!
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ben_thatmustbeme corrected
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ben_thatmustbeme will add it tomorrow
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ben_thatmustbeme way past time to be sleeping
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: nice example of people tag
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tantek cool
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@jacobyjyoung Having my site on @withknown just feels right and I'm really excited about the IndieWeb. http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (twitter.com/_/status/583154951230091264)
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cweiske kylewm, where does woodwind read the hub and topic url from? HTTP header or also html/atom links?
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cweiske oooooooooooooh
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cweiske reader.kylewm.com uses push to get content from cweiske.de/tagebuch/feed/ :)
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cweiske PuSH last ping: 3 seconds ago
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@sirmlivesey @chestertweet Your manifesto really sums up the #indieweb there. (twitter.com/_/status/583182617266253824)
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@sirmlivesey Developing an #indieweb mindset and culture - understanding #doteveryone http://mylocal.wiki/?p=98 via @zebrared (twitter.com/_/status/583183589166227457)
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cweiske kylewm, I had to click 3x "update" in the feed settings until it found the push hub
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cweiske awesomeness
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cweiske instant feed update in woodwind!
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@chestertweet RT @sirmlivesey: @chestertweet Your manifesto really sums up the #indieweb there. (twitter.com/_/status/583184937525882880)
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fkooman https://auth0.com/blog/2015/03/31/critical-vulnerabilities-in-json-web-token-libraries/
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@zebrared RT @sirmlivesey: Developing an #indieweb mindset and culture - understanding #doteveryone http://mylocal.wiki/?p=98 via @zebrared (twitter.com/_/status/583185409255014400)
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@sirmlivesey Let's make the web great again with #indieweb and #doteveryone https://indiewebcamp.com http://mylocal.wiki/2015/03/31/understanding-doteveryone/ (twitter.com/_/status/583189325678043136)
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Loqi [mention] Mark Livesey commented 'Let's make the web great again with #indieweb and #doteveryone https://indiewebcamp.com http://mylocal.wiki/2015/03/31/understanding-dotever...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com (http://www.ministryofmark.com/2015/lets-make-the-web-great-again-with-indieweb-and-doteveryone)
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cweiske.de edited /PubSubHubbub (+49) "/* Testing your hub */" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /phubb (+53) (view diff)
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cweiske <cweiske> kylewm's woodwind and my own pubsubhubbub server in action: http://tmp.cweiske.de/phubb-woodwind.mp4
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cweiske.de edited /phubb (+95) (view diff)
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cweiske kylewm, something is wrong with woodwind. it only picks up 1 out of three updates/pings
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@kevinmarks @Marthalanefox @nevali have you looked at #indieweb and #barcamp movements? (twitter.com/_/status/583198899797504000)
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atomicules Hello again all. For anyone else syndicating out to Pinboard, am I right in thinking there is no way to get the bookmark ID created via the API?
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@atomicules I've now started syndicating out any link type posts on my site to Pinboard as part of my #indieweb effort. Next up is photos to Flickr. (twitter.com/_/status/583239790432264192)
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@stiobhart @atomicules Sounds interesting. My unofficial 'Indie Web' efforts usually founder on the agony of setting up my own mailservers. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/583241740506800128)
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@stiobhart @atomicules Will have to check out http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE further. I miss using https://ifttt.com/ since I redid my blog in #Hugo SSG. (twitter.com/_/status/583242556361801728)
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@atomicules @stiobhart Some of the indieweb efforts like Bridgy are very clever, but I'm going for a more DIY rough and ready approach. (twitter.com/_/status/583244689207398400)
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@atomicules @stiobhart The good thing about the indieweb is that it's fine to come up with your own way of doing things. (twitter.com/_/status/583245221938462720)
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david.shanske.com edited /events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (-62) "/* URLs */" (view diff)
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atomicules Loqi, you are a bit scary.
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Loqi dude
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david.shanske.com edited /events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (-3) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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GWG pfefferle: I see you are back.
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cweiske.de edited /projects (+136) "/* Pingback2hook */" (view diff)
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pfefferle GWG not really… sadly… only back to work but my internet at home is still not working :(
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Loqi pfefferle: petermolnar left you a message on 3/22 at 11:55am: https://pfefferle.github.io/openwebicons/ fails to load some assets from http sources on https; you should probably take a look at it http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-22/line/1427050511948
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GWG pfefferle: Still, nice to 'see' you.
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pfefferle GWG :)
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pfefferle GWG nice to be back again… at least at work :)
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GWG I understand that.
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pfefferle !tell petermolnar thanks, I will have a look!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all
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cweiske hiho
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /person-tag (+369) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ adding my site to indieweb examples" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /person-tag (+316) "/* Brainstorming */ notes on area tag" (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/2015/04/homebrew-website-club linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-08-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/2015/04/homebrew-website-club-1 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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zachdonovan good morning!
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kylewm.com created /invite (+23) "Redirected page to [[invitation]]" (view diff)
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GWG Morning
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aaronpk morning!
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aaronpk !tell cweiske that is an awesome video of your PuSH server and woodwind!!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-04-08-homebrew-website-club (+83) "/* URLs */ add link to SF events" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (+85) "/* URLs */ add link to SF events" (view diff)
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kylewm whoa
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kylewm cweiske++ lol, that is a lot (3-4 seconds) faster than updates from my site get posted to woodwind
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Loqi cweiske has 21 karma
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kylewm I wonder what he meant about 2/3 pings not being received
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kylewm the "had to click update three times to get it to recognize the push hub" probably just means that the first update took a while to process
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aaronpk maybe some sort of progress indicator would help with that
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tantek welcome back aaronpk!
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cweiske so
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Loqi cweiske: aaronpk left you a message 25 minutes ago: that is an awesome video of your PuSH server and woodwind!! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427904945102
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cweiske kylewm, I meant that I clicked "create article" on http://push-tester.bogo/ and the woodwind did not show the new post at all
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cweiske even after waiting for a minute or more
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cweiske clicking "create article" again did not show up in woodwind's browser window either
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cweiske only the third click did
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cweiske the two posts in between were not visible in my browser
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cweiske I had to reload the browser window to see them
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Loqi [bridgy] Kyle Mahan favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (https://twitter.com/jacobyjyoung/status/583154951230091264)
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bret cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 22 karma
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bret sweet! http://tmp.cweiske.de/phubb-woodwind.mp4
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ben_thatmustbeme nice
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ben_thatmustbeme woo, only the second person posting person tags
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ben_thatmustbeme now I need to make sure that I send webmentions for them
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ben_thatmustbeme I need to get KevinMarks_ to tag me in something so I can test receiving too :)
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ben_thatmustbeme or rather, to test "being tagged"
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kylewm snarfed: hullo, facebook backfeed is dying for me with "Cowardly refusing id with colon"
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kylewm I think the endpoint is doesn't like is /v2.2/1565113317092307/invited
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kylewm but i don't see any colons there
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Loqi slack/snarfed: kylewm: yeah i see the same thing. seems to be affecting many/all fb users
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Loqi slack/snarfed: background in <https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/305> . we thought/think it was a transient fb issue, but not sure
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@benwerd Introducing the Indie Dash Button! #indieweb #vrm http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm (twitter.com/_/status/583328761933750272)
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Loqi [mention] Ben Werdmüller posted 'Introducing the Indie Dash Button! #indieweb #vrm 4 min read ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/projects (http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm)
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cweiske kylewm, I tested it the last 10 minutes: often I have 2-3 seconds delay from my post until woodwind shows it in my browser, but there are times it takes 8 and one time even 17 seconds
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cweiske but I can't reproduce the issues new posts do not show up at all
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kylewm cweiske: grr, yeah the latency is challenging. i tried adding a high priority and low priority queue, and add pings to the high prioroity queue
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kylewm that helped a little, but apparently still problems
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cweiske I don't understand why the latency is there at all
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cweiske is your server so loaded?
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cweiske is the queue full?
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kylewm cweiske: well it's doing a bunch of polling, maybe it's in the middle of fetching another site that is slow to respond
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cweiske oh, so you only have one worker?
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kylewm yes
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Loqi slack/ben_thatmustbeme: jumps on to slack just to do this... :ben:
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cweiske just add more workers :)
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cweiske then we'd see the real speed
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kylewm snarfed: I tried that endpoint from graph explorer, with my access token from bridgy, and it doesn't seem to have any colons in ids
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snarfed kylewm: yup agreed
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Loqi slack/ben_thatmustbeme: also :pbjt:
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme custom emoji in slack are a little fun
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Loqi [mention] Ben Werdmüller posted 'Introducing the Indie Dash Button! #indieweb #vrm 4 min read ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm)
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kylewm cweiske: ok two workers now :)
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cweiske now I don't get any update :/ trying to reload woodwind
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cweiske 13s, 8s, 2s, 3s
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cweiske so 2s is the best speed we'll get
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tantek the problem with benwerd's proposed Indie Dash is that it's actually a good idea.
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tantek http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm
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tantek it's basically h-listing + webmentions
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benwerd I started writing it as an april fool's, and then slowly had an "oh ..." moment
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Loqi benwerd: parzzix left you a message on 3/28 at 7:04pm: I am setting up subdomain on knownpro... was wondering what the "1799 IN CNAME domains.withknown.com". means in the instructions after setting up the first cname...it's not clear http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-28/line/1427594692180
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Loqi benwerd: parzzix left you a message on 3/28 at 7:10pm: nevermind...i got it figured out. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-28/line/1427595000008
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tantek ^^^ love when that happens
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tantek what is a listing?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "listing" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=listing&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-01%2Fline%2F1427912514555
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tantek listing is an offer to buy/sell/rent/borrow/share an item of some sort, usually for some amount or range of money, and sometimes time. see also http://microformats.org/wiki/h-listing
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loqi.me created /listing (+209) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427912514555 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek ok benwerd I've started a stub for you
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benwerd :)
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Loqi [mention] Ben Werdmüller posted 'Introducing the Indie Dash Button! #indieweb #vrm 4 min read ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com (http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm)
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kylewm benwerd: It kind of also sounds like https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Offering_asparagus
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kylewm vanquished benwerd with the mere mention of Social WG
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tantek.com edited /listing (+732) "expand with WHy, How (markup, respond), Silo Examples, Articles, See ALso" (view diff)
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tantek thanks a lot kylewm :P
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tantek.com edited /listing (+67) "/* How to respond */ in-reply-to, webmention" (view diff)
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tantek !tell benwerd ok now it's an expanded stub, including how to markup, respond: https://indiewebcamp.com/listing
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske erm, kylewm - don't you use the POST content my hub send you?
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cweiske you do :/
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cweiske no wonder we don't get below 2 seconds
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kylewm cweiske: so I would need some sort of authorization token scheme to accept it right?
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kylewm otherwise anybody could post anything to the push endpoint
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kylewm cweiske: do you support https://pubsubhubbub.googlecode.com/git/pubsubhubbub-core-0.4.html#authednotify
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kylewm cweiske: filed https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind/issues/20
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KevinMarks_ Loqi's link regex looks a bit over greedy here: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-31/line/1427864050283
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KevinMarks_ It sounds a lot like the original hproduct hoisting goals. There was a startup trying to be the hub for them iirc
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KevinMarks_ Edgeio, that was it https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/edgeio
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KevinMarks_ Webmention is the missing piece of the puzzle
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tantek KevinMarks_: s/hproduct/hlisting
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KevinMarks_ Yes; "hoisting" was my phone reinterpreting hlisting
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tantek that's funny because hoisting made sense in that context
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cweiske kylewm, yes I support that
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cweiske I add a signature header
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@iNavegar Introducing the Indie Dash Button! #indieweb #vrm http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm (twitter.com/_/status/583358657959718912)
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snarfed ok this new fb api bug is fascinating and infuriating me. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/305#issuecomment-88597572
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snarfed kylewm: i have this sick nightmare fantasy that fb is trolling us
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kylewm snarfed++ that would be amazing
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Loqi snarfed has 96 karma
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kylewm like that story about AOL changing their protocol every couple days so that MSN couldn't interoperate with them
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kylewm AIM*
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snarfed hah yes
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snarfed it's beginning to feel like this horrible april fools scavenger hunt
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kylewm oh, you found where the 63 was coming from!
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kylewm this is similar to when it was converting /2015 to some random Harvard student's app-scoped id
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snarfed oh man right
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gRegor` !tell KartikPrabhu I don't know how easy it is in Django (plus with an already populated database), but if you could convert your datetime columns to type 'timestamp' then you wouldn't need to perform TZ conversion in the query. See http://indiewebcamp.com/mysql#DATE.2C_DATETIME.2C_and_TIMESTAMP_types
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks I'm on TWiG this week so tool suggestions and news to discuss welcomed
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jonnybarnes seen this aaronpk? https://auth0.com/blog/2015/03/31/critical-vulnerabilities-in-json-web-token-libraries/
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gRegor` !tell KartikPrabhu You can specify the session TZ in a separate query before querying the notes, and MySQL will convert from its stored UTC to the session TZ.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm gRegor`: I added start/end dates for events to my DB yesterday ... I'm storing the dates in UTC and the TZ in a third column.
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gRegor` I've known some real tools . . . oh, not what you meant. ;)
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kylewm is that the right way to do that?
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gRegor` MySQL or Postgres or?
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kylewm postgres
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gRegor` I'm not very familiar with Postgres yet, so not sure if it has a timestamp data type that acts like MySQLs.
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gRegor` I need to try out postgres after all the good things I've heard. Habits are hard to get out of, heh.
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kylewm I tried setting the column type to "timestamp with time zone", but that acted weird
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gRegor` Esp. when all our work clients have mysql
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kylewm I think maybe a bad interaction with my ORM
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gRegor` I'm a big fan of the way timestamp type functions in MySQL. It requires an initial query: SET @@session.time_zone = '[TZ]';, then I can query with a datetime and feel confident it's converting the UTC to the specified TZ.
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gRegor` But a separate TZ column should work too. Might run into some edge cases with DST occasionally.
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gRegor` It's possible/likely your ORM is setting a default timezone
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kylewm so I'm good with a global timezone for the published/updated date
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kylewm but i wanted to have an explicit one for events
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kylewm in case they are in another timezone besides mine
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@NorthCreekSoft #ownyourdata Are you a cloud tool-user? Let us know what you use. Monthly, summary of data sent to your email. https://davenorthcreek.typeform.com/to/GVDQBx (twitter.com/_/status/583366180217425920)
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@NorthCreekSoft #ownyourdata tell us the good and bad of your online tool use! We'll collate and send you a summary of everyone's! https://davenorthcreek.typeform.com/to/GVDQBx (twitter.com/_/status/583366904389197824)
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: thx, yeah that's sneaky!
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aaronpk benwerd: lol yeah I definitely did not read that as a joke
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aaronpk cweiske: ooh you send content in the PuSH pings?
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benwerd aaronpk: I might make a second attempt at a joke .. ;)
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 12 minutes ago: ok now it's an expanded stub, including how to markup, respond: https://indiewebcamp.com/listing http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427912878676
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benwerd Although there's always fool.academy
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aaronpk i like com.google
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KevinMarks pacman on streets in google maps is cool
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tantek what is Pacman?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Pacman" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Pacman&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-01%2Fline%2F1427920933865
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tantek what is Google Maps?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Maps" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Google+Maps&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-01%2Fline%2F1427920941302
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@aaronpk Apparently this started out as an April fool's, but it's kinda a great idea: "Introducing the Indie Dash Button!" http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm (twitter.com/_/status/583369080708550656)
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benwerd I enjoyed the Tesla Watch
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gRegor` Superfeedr is Batfeedr now http://superfeedr.com/
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aaronpk glad to see switchboard returning diagnostic info for my feed :) https://switchboard.p3k.io/feed/QuQhFQLQQXOkUpYtZZ0wolYqC5SrFG3V
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tantek aaronpk: did you see /listing ?
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aaronpk nice!
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kylewm aaronpk: do you know why woodwind doesn't show up in there?
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aaronpk kylewm: hm are you not getting pings from it either?
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kylewm I got one 19 hours ago supposedly
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kylewm shoot
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kylewm PuSH expiry: 57 minutes ago
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aaronpk oops how'd that happen?
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kylewm ok i'm there now, sorry
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tantek what is Batfeedr?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Batfeedr" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Batfeedr&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-01%2Fline%2F1427921337948
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kylewm I must not be renewing the subscription far enough in advance
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tantek the logo is kind of amazing http://superfeedr.com/assets/batlogo-5269805674c83137dfdbe01559e74bc2.png
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tantek opens Slack to see if that was inlined
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tantek wow it was
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gRegor` Batfeedr is /Superfeedr
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loqi.me created /Batfeedr (+23) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427921337948 and dfn added by gRegor`" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek aaronpk: what do you think of auto-embedding image URLs like that, perhaps even using CASSIS on the client side when viewing our IRC logs
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@aaronpk @Malcolm_Ocean Not sure if you're joking, lol, but if you're interested, check out http://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push (twitter.com/_/status/583371095970983936)
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Loqi [mention] Aaron Parecki commented '@Malcolm_Ocean Not sure if you're joking, lol, but if you're interested, check out http://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push (https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/04/01/1/)
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tantek (to avoid hammering of embeds via search engines)
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aaronpk apparently i should have called Switchboard "pubsubhubbub club" instead https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ocean/status/583369421139345409
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@Malcolm_Ocean .@aaronpk Where do I sign up? I want to join the PubSubHubbbub club! (twitter.com/_/status/583369421139345409)
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KevinMarks sounds like a domain to buy
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aaronpk was definitely considering it
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aaronpk i just bought my first .club the other day...
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aaronpk also, there's a new indieweb-enabled animal now http://hedgy.club/
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KevinMarks though maybe without the extra b
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gRegor` Aw
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gRegor` What is Hedgy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hedgy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Hedgy&summary=prompted+by+gRegor%60+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-01%2Fline%2F1427921615224
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tantek what is an animal that is self-sufficient yet does well in peer to peer packs?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "animal that is self-sufficient yet does well in peer to peer packs" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=animal+that+is+self-sufficient+yet+does+well+in+peer+to+peer+packs&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-01%2Fline%2F1427921637834
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aaronpk Hedgy is a bot that watches your website for food and drink posts and reminds you to eat if you haven't in a while. http://hedgy.club
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loqi.me created /Hedgy (+160) "prompted by gRegor` https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427921615224 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek aaronpk that should be hangrybot :P
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tantek wonders how long til benwerd implements an h-listing plugin for Known so users can post listings and reply to them.
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tantek and optionally POSSE to Craigslist
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tantek.com edited /listing (+316) "brainstorming, POSSE, Craigslist, questions" (view diff)
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk It's actually an anti-hangover bot at first
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tantek just noticed on the indie dash post that benwerd / Known has adopted the same black Twitter and Facebook icons for his/their "Also on:" syndication links display that I've been doing since 2014-09-12 (implemented), e.g. bottom of posts http://tantek.com/2014/245/t1/just-short-today-trackattack-workout##View%20on%20Facebook
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cweiske aaronpk, yep - that was the easiest to do
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cweiske I am using temp files for content and headers instead of passing them all around to the workers, though
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cweiske which in turn requires me to clean up afterwards
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cweiske but yes, fat pings is the only allowed method in push 0.4
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tantek kylewm: re: 1 file per post - yeah, you're gonna have a bad file I/O perf bottleneck day if you do that ;)
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cweiske I also send some of the original headers to the subscriber
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kylewm tantek: I don't disagree but the issue was storing a very large index in the filesystem
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kylewm although doens't aaronpk store one post per file?
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aaronpk I was under the assumption 0.4 didn't specify whether fat pings were required
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aaronpk It was easier for me to deal with empty push pings since then I just parse the original source url as I normally would without PuSH
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KevinMarks what new indieweb things have launched since I was last on twig?
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KevinMarks already talked about ownyourgram I think
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tantek KevinMarks - we've seen a resurgence of interest in PubSubHubbub in the IndieWeb community - with the implementation and launch of new hubs from aaronpk and cweiske - the indieweb community is now the pre-eminent place for PuSH developers.
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KevinMarks right, but a bit plumbing
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tantek = resurgence of realtime distributed web
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tantek (just realized that after I said it - too plumbing centric)
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KevinMarks would sending people to new readers be good or bad?
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KevinMarks oh, the youtube to huffduffer thingy
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KevinMarks that's a good one
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KevinMarks or would that destroy snarfed's quotas?
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KevinMarks the feature benefit of PuSH is rapid updates, but not sure that's ready for everyone yet
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tantek s/rapid updates/real time reading
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KevinMarks right
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tantek the point is there have been all these conferences (RealTimeConf) and various silo startups seeking to replace or augment or depend on Twitter, and no one else has actually started to make progress on broader "real time distributed web" until now with what IndieWeb is building
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tantek conferences don't make progress, building and shipping stuff on your own site that interoperates with other sites makes progress.
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KevinMarks right
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tantek keep hammering that
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kylewm it is exciting that there are 3x as many PuSH 0.4 implementations as there were a week ago
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tantek kylewm totally agreed. that's why I think we can make statements like the above
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tantek also real time readers
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tantek that's another relatively new phenomenon
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tantek are there any other PuSH consuming readers?
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tantek what are PuSH consuming readers?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PuSH consuming readers" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=PuSH+consuming+readers&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-01%2Fline%2F1427925146297
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tantek kylewm ^^^ :)
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kylewm PuSH consuming readers are [[reader]]s that can subscribe to a [[Pubsubhubbub]]-enabled feed in order to receive real-time updates -- See also: [[Shrewdness]], [[Woodwind]], [[Monocle]].
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KevinMarks kylewm: would you want lots of people tryingwoodwind?
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Loqi ok
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kylewm KevinMarks: hmm, well gated by how many people can indieauth which is relatively low
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kylewm KevinMarks: I don't think Woodwind is ready for lots of attention :)
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tantek kylewm: excellent "limited invite beta" strategy ;)
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KevinMarks OK , I won't plug to twig then
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tantek kylewm: I think with the indieauth required bar, you'd be able to handle the attention
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tantek just make sure you have good onboarding that redirects people to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started
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kylewm OK I added a link to /Getting_Started :)
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KevinMarks subscribe button to podcasts
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tantek KevinMarks: huh?
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tantek what is a subscribe button to podcasts?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "subscribe button to podcasts" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=subscribe+button+to+podcasts&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-01%2Fline%2F1427926619788
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KevinMarks a thing we need
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cweiske aaronpk, https://github.com/pubsubhubbub/PubSubHubbub/issues/26
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cweiske about fat pings
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kylewm KevinMarks: would SubToMe help with that?
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KevinMarks we need an web action for it
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cweiske tantek, tt-rss also supports push
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cweiske but it doesn't push updates in the browser in realtime
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cweiske monocle doesn't either
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tantek cweiske, cool, perhaps add those distinctions to /PuSH_consuming_readers
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cweiske also, feedly supports push
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cweiske I saw them subscribe to my blog's hub
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cweiske it's quite cool that I have my own hub now since I can see who subscribes
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tantek awesome - that's a very good sign that there are that many PuSH consuming readers in active development
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tantek what is your own hub?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "your own hub" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=your+own+hub&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-01%2Fline%2F1427926923998
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tantek ^^^ cweiske go ahead and start that and note the "Why" advantage you just said!
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cweiske mine is https://indiewebcamp.com/phubb
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KevinMarks subscribe to podcast web action
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KevinMarks "stop calling it podcasting, call it radio"
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tantek KevinMarks: is that a "follow" web action of a specific post type?
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benwerd (We're in deep on this subject. Interviewed many people about it last week, deliberately away from Silicon Valley, with more to come this week.)
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KevinMarks would love to chat
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KevinMarks having a big meta session on podcasts on twig right now
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benwerd tunes in
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benwerd (and we should chat for all kinds of reasons)
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benwerd This is good
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KevinMarks chromebook friendly coding app: https://koding.com/
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benwerd kevinmarks++
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Loqi kevinmarks has 95 karma
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bear KevinMarks++ nice TWiG plug for indiewebcamp
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Loqi dude
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bear KevinMarks++
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bear kevinmarks++
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bear kicks loqi in the shins
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pdurbin KevinMarks plugging indieweb on TWiG is the reason I'm here. But I haven't listened in a while... since episode 272 looks like.
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KevinMarks_ So you gave up TWiG for indieWebcamp?
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: gRegor` left you a message 3 hours, 17 minutes ago: I don't know how easy it is in Django (plus with an already populated database), but if you could convert your datetime columns to type 'timestamp' then you wouldn't need to perform TZ conversion in the query. See http://indiewebcamp.com/mysql#DATE.2C_DATETIME.2C_and_TIMESTAMP_types http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427919567104
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: gRegor` left you a message 3 hours, 16 minutes ago: You can specify the session TZ in a separate query before querying the notes, and MySQL will convert from its stored UTC to the session TZ. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427919641611
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Loqi :)
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pdurbin KevinMarks_: heh. I don't know. I like it when TWiG gets philosophical. I don't like it when they go on about the latest Android gadget.
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: the problem seems to have stopped for now. Also Django made my DB I didn't so I'll have to look into timestamp things
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KartikPrabhu http://thatemil.com/blog/2015/03/30/switching-to-django/ webmentions and bridgy on to do list
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Loqi [bridgy] Malcolm Ocean replied '@aaronpk Ahh! It was very much a joke, mostly an excuse to say pubsubhubbbub club. Speaking of which, hm... is pubsubhubbbub.club taken?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push (https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ocean/status/583410230412705792)
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KevinMarks_ Flickr supports cc0 https://medium.com/message/why-spacex-s-photos-are-now-public-domain-178f50a62218