#indiewebcamp 2015-04-07

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kylewm which I think means you're just posting a tweet with a link to another tweet at the end
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tantek kylewm that's correct 116 + space + 23 chars for an https tco URL
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tantek = 140
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benwerd hmm. one moment then
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tantek pretty sure this "just works" if you "just" embed a tweet permalink in your tweet
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benwerd Confirmed
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benwerd https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/585230772463767552
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@benwerd Testing https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/585230452023136256 (twitter.com/_/status/585230772463767552)
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benwerd http://werd.io/2015/testing-benwerdstatus585230452023136256
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benwerd As you were ;)
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kylewm https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/585230935878148096
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@kylewmahan Does this count as a retweet? https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/585230772463767552 (twitter.com/_/status/585230935878148096)
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tantek benwerd did you set the in-reply-to-id ?
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benwerd no
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kylewm doesn't increment the RT counter
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benwerd it's a pure status with link
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tantek benwerd: uh, but it shows up as in-reply-to your previous tweet https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/585230452023136256
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@benwerd @twitter Are you planning on including this in your API any time soon? (twitter.com/_/status/585230452023136256)
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benwerd tantek: so it does
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benwerd huh
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tantek you're sure you didn't set explicit in-reply-to-id to get that threading?!?
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kylewm tantek: hmm, mine doens't show up as in-reply-to benwerd's
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kylewm (and I actually clicked RT in the web ui)
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tantek kylewm: you did a native silo post?
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kylewm yes
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kylewm and it has very little resemblance to a RT
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benwerd tantek: I'm checking my code just to make sure there's no bug, but I didn't, no
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tantek this looks like it shipped a little half-baked
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benwerd quoting a quote kind of looks terrible too
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benwerd the link is included, as opposed to tumblr-style, which would probably be more interesting, or some other UI element
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tantek also - it's not a link - it's broken JS
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tantek :P
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tantek e.g. going here without JS: https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/585230935878148096
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@kylewmahan Does this count as a retweet? https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/585230772463767552 (twitter.com/_/status/585230935878148096)
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tantek gives me something where clicking on the embed DOES NOTHING
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tantek even though it could have easily statically linked to the embeded permalink :P
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tantek huh - that's a regression then
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tantek because in "normal" tweets where you include a link to another tweet - that link IS CLICKABLE without JS
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gRegor` Twitter on iPad has given a "quote" or native "retweet" option for ages when you click the RT icon.
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gRegor` It's been rather annoying that Android didn't have that.
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tantek same on iPod / iOS
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rhiaro Twitter on Android did have that
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gRegor` So it sounds like they just brought that function to web version?
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rhiaro Mine does, anyway..
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rhiaro I was annoyed web didn't have it
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gRegor` Where, rhiaro?
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gRegor` No dialog when I click RT icon, just RTs it.
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rhiaro When I tap retweet I get a dialog that offers Quote, Retweet or Cancel
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tantek same same
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gRegor` Ok, don't mind me...
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rhiaro yours has it?
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tantek kylewm: I've verified that there's no sign of your quoted tweet on the original from benwerd
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tantek seems like no advantage to using it
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gRegor` No idea how I've missed it. Think I just got used to it not having it and overlooked "Quote" on the left there.
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kylewm gRegor`: quote previously did something like "my comment RT @gregor original post" right?
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tantek even a disadvantage compared to just RT - which *does* add to the RT count and shows your icon among the facepile of those retweeting
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tantek and a *reply* is even better as you get threaded under the tweet
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gRegor` Quote, on Android and iOS afaik just populated the author twitter name and text, all surrounded in quotes.
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tantek thus I suppose a quote tweet is when you want to fork and start a new thread?
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gRegor` So you could manually cut off the quotes and add an "RT" to manually RT
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tantek since it clearly disconnects it from the original
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tantek which is kind of sad in the hypertexty kind of way
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tantek it would be better to see quotes of a tweet *from* the tweet
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gRegor` I don't see what's new here. Twitter's auto-embedded tweets when you link to them for a while now? https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/585230772463767552
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@benwerd Testing https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/585230452023136256 (twitter.com/_/status/585230772463767552)
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tantek rhiaro: congrats - you appear to shipped the 10th server implementation of micropub
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tantek s/shipped/have shipped
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Loqi tantek meant to say: rhiaro: congrats - you appear to have shipped the 10th server implementation of micropub
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kylewm gRegor`: agreed
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tantek gRegor`: what's new is that they no longer show a link to the tweet and thus you can't click on it when you have no JS
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tantek so they made it worse
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kylewm they've had the embed for a while
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tantek yeah
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kylewm oh but you're saying the link used to show up
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tantek correct. and thus be clickable
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kylewm sort of like how they phased out links to photos when the photo is embedded
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gRegor` So with JS off is there nothing clickable?
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gRegor` With JS on I can click the embedded tweet.
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tantek right - JS off = nothing clickable in the embed
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gRegor` Lame
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tantek I feel like you have to *try* to screw up something that obvious
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tantek to many JS-only engineers
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tantek s/to many/too many
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Loqi tantek meant to say: too many JS-only engineers
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gRegor` Think this will cause a rise in Twitter flirting, given the QTs going around?
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kylewm what is Twitter flirting?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Twitter flirting" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Twitter+flirting&summary=prompted+by+kylewm+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-06%2Fline%2F1428365933916
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kylewm sorry, I couldn't resist :p
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gRegor` Haha
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gRegor` benwerd: Do you get a notification for me quoting your tweet?
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tantek I was wondering the same thing
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kylewm me thinks they just institutionalized subtweeting
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gRegor` I believe it does notify you.
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tantek then it's not sub
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gRegor` Before embedding happened, I know some people would link a tweet so they could callout or otherwise subtweet, but then Twitter started notifying people of those too.
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gRegor` So it seems like QT is just a shortcut for pasting the link in now
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gRegor` So /2015 is coming... should dates be selected?
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Loqi [bridgy] Nima Dilmaghani RSVPed maybe to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-08-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/647998125333311#10152759380008640)
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tantek gRegor`: are you volunteering to help co-organize?
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gRegor` Doh. Should have screencapped that, kylewm. Yes, I got "Kyle quoted you and said..." in my phone notifications. And it shows up in my Twitter notifications tab.
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gRegor` Not really :)
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gRegor` I mostly wanted to have it on my calendar so I could plan for it.
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tantek gRegor`: if you have constraints or suggestions, you could edit /2015 accordingly
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gRegor` I've voted on there :)
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (+112) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ INDIEWEB ALL THE THINGS" (view diff)
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tantek huh I think other non-JS things broke too
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tantek (on Twitter)
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Loqi [bridgy] IndieWebCamp favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-08-homebrew-website-club (https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/583761188233674753)
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upon2020.com edited /UBOS (+208) "added press coverage" (view diff)
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upon2020.com edited /UBOS (+1) "Github URL changed" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+223) "/* archives */ need their own next/prev links similar to permalink page next/prev links" (view diff)
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aaronpk Oh jeez June is pretty close
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aaronpk Oh man better start putting that into my mental model of the next few months
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tantek aaronpk - I'm not going to OSBridge because I have a conflict that whole week
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aaronpk Oh wow
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tantek I think before OSBridge would be good
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aaronpk You have many meetings lately I've noticed
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aaronpk Yeah I don't think we need to "ride the osbridge momentum" like we did in the past
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aaronpk I haven't even looked at what dates osbridge is yet
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tantek it's on the /2015 page
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tantek one question is - do we want to stick with the Saturday / Sunday format, or should we try shifting to a weekday or two? e.g. ThF or FSa?
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aaronpk Oh man the quantified self conference is thu-sat
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tantek the thinking would be - it would be nice to have a day or two after to just have the weekend in Portland
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tantek aaronpk - wait you take quantified self conferences seriously? aren't they just big marketing / sales driven things to sell people devices to put data into silos that they forget about?
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aaronpk I am hoping to change that
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tantek (my experience has been that very few in the QS conf scene actually selfdogfood any QS themselves)
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tantek (so much so that it's just an excuse to sell people crap)
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tantek (to make them *feel* like they are doing QS - but no one actually has a hold on their data)
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aaronpk Oh there's plenty of selfdogfooding. People take that stuff very seriously and often have very interesting projects/outcomes
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aaronpk But the data ownership part is a very sad state right now
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tantek hmm - gonna need some citations to that "plenty of selfdogfooding"
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tantek to public URLs of results
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aaronpk Maybe plenty is an overstatement
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tantek.com edited /2015 (+306) "add a couple more candidate pairs of dates" (view diff)
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aaronpk Also quantified self != web, but the data ownership stuff overlaps a lot
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tantek lol so much blind 2014 copy pasta
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tantek.com edited /2015 (+18) "/* Candidate Dates */ fix 2014 copy pasta, note conflict on 27th" (view diff)
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aaronpk Anyway gotta run for now
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tantek aaronpk - cool - update https://indiewebcamp.com/2015#Candidate_Dates when you can!
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tantek add your +1/0/-1 for each, and other candidate dates
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tantek that's an open invitation for everyone to do so
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kylewm how'd it go having Cambridge on weekdays; were there people who couldn't come because of work?
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tantek I don't think we heard of any one saying that
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tantek if anything - we definitely got a few more different and interesting participants by being adjacent to the Social Web WG f2f
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tantek people that could stay an extra day for day 1 of IWC
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tantek I wouldn't mind trying a ThF IWC 2015
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tantek but I have no idea how that would affect past IWC Portland participants
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acegiak GWG: what happened to the repost kind?
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GWG acegiak: It's hiding
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acegiak shouldnt it unhide when I enable link sharing in the options?
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@InfoSecDane #Snowden #Oliver interview was funny, but also made a good point about the public's inability to understand #digital #privacy. #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/585261947647561728)
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GWG acegiak: I'll be fixing that.
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GWG I've been in location land
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acegiak GWG: fair enough. what do I need to do to unhide it in hte meantime?
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GWG acegiak: Simple
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GWG $include = array_unique(apply_filters('kind_include', $include));
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GWG Add a filter
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GWG I may get to that tonight, if they stop fighting with me over Simple Location
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gRegor` I like the idea of a weekend IWC so it's less likely to conflict with work schedules/require time off.
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gRegor` Perhaps a Fri/Sat, but not both on weekdays
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gregorlove.com edited /2015 (+205) "/* Candidate Dates */ votes" (view diff)
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GWG Had a bit of a flood emergency here.
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GWG acegiak: Did I answer your question? I sort of had to run there
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acegiak GWG: yes but I haven't had a go yet
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acegiak do we have a wiki article on how comment threads work?
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GWG acegiak: What do you mean by comment threads?
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acegiak like, kylewm replied to a post I made, trying to work out what the proper way to respond is
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GWG Oh
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acegiak GWG: also, any idea why this isn't showing the comment content? http://acegiak.net/2015/04/07/palecreamtwoforonebigeggthe-reason-oppressed-groups-say-___-are-awful-instead-of-some-___-are/#comment-643
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GWG acegiak: Yes. I had pointed it out. The comment type needs to be set to "" instead of webmention
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acegiak GWG: is that intended behaviour?
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kylewm acegiak: it happens sometimes on snarfed.org too https://snarfed.org/2015-03-16_kyle-mahan-made-some-small-backend-simplifications-to
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acegiak kylewm: he's using the same stack, isn't he?
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GWG acegiak: It's a problem that will fix in 4.2
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acegiak GWG: 4.2 of wordpress?
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acegiak I really think I need to make semantic linkbacks add comments on a webmention reply as child comments to the comment being added
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acegiak or updated
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acegiak morning, pfefferle!
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pfefferle acegiak good morning
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cweiske kylewm, did you already implement using the POST data from a PuSH notification?
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Loqi cweiske: aaronpk left you a message on 4/3 at 4:55am: have you ever used php-resque? I'm thinking about switching all my stuff to use it https://github.com/chrisboulton/php-resque http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-03/line/1428062136906
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cweiske !tell aaronpk, no, I didn't check php-resque. I was happy with gearman. But now I just found out that I need scheduled tasks, which is something that neither gearman nor php-resque give me
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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marcthiele.com edited /2015/Germany/Guest_List (+284) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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kylewm cweiske: yes
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cweiske oh. phubb worker died
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cweiske the problem with long running processes
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aaronpk Scheduled tasks like cron?
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Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 5 hours, 1 minute ago: didn't check php-resque. I was happy with gearman. But now I just found out that I need scheduled tasks, which is something that neither gearman nor php-resque give me http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-07/line/1428398114615
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cweiske aaronpk, yes
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aaronpk I usually use cron to schedule jobs in the same worker queue
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kylewm aaronpk: did this PR look OK? https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/pull/5
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aaronpk Huh I didn't see that yet. I apparently don't have very good github notifications set up. I'm always getting emails about the Bridgy threads I get added to but seem to not get emails about PRs to my own repos
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cweiske kylewm, I don't get below 3 seconds :/
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kylewm cweiske: same, I havent debugged yet
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2015-04-07%20woodwind%203%20seconds.png
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kylewm cweiske: also those numbers don't measure real latency... it's rendering on my server based on your <time> tag
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cweiske oh. I thought that the browser calculates that
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kylewm i'm going to do that eventually
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cweiske as difference between of the article's update time and the time it's displayed in the browser
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kylewm use moment.js instead
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kylewm so yeah i'm not sure why it still takes > 0 seconds
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kylewm bbiab
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GWG Morning all
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petermolnar morning
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Loqi petermolnar: pfefferle left you a message 6 days, 1 hour ago: thanks, I will have a look! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427892859856
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GWG Petermolnar, I submitted the location plugin for the repository.
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GWG Would you be willing to have a look?
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KartikPrabhu https://twitter.com/kartik_prabhu/status/585452761795297280
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@kartik_prabhu “Note: Due to incompatibilities between the website and the app, not all events will transfer.” Thanks #apsapril (https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/website-app-apsparil) (twitter.com/_/status/585452761795297280)
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KartikPrabhu #appobsession
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petermolnar GWG I've tested the dev version from Github; I'd say it's fine but I'll try the final as well
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GWG Petermolnar, recently?
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petermolnar sometimes last week, so not really
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GWG Petermolnar, mostly cleanup since then.
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GWG I want to change map generation methods. I have issues with the current one, but wanted to get the thing working.
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GWG Petermolnar, what did you think so far?
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GWG I kept trying to simplify it.
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petermolnar let me update it
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GWG Petermolnar, appreciate any feedback especially if it helps me improve it.
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petermolnar GWG what exactly is triggered with "Display Map and Coordinates" ?
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petermolnar I have a pretty tricky theme and a lot of hacks in my setup and it's not really doing anything for my site at the moment, but again, tricky setup
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GWG Petermolnar, iy adds the map and the geo coordinates to the content
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petermolnar with a filter?
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GWG The alternative is just the textual location description
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GWG The content filter
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GWG I have a way to disable that if the theme wants to place it.
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petermolnar nope, that's not showing up for me, let me debug this
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GWG Okay. But you have already helped. May need to change the text
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petermolnar actually I was expecting this
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petermolnar the problem is with my thing
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petermolnar the text is fine in my opinion
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petermolnar ah
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petermolnar you have to tick both
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petermolnar that's what I missed :)
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GWG Petermolnar, UI changes required.
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petermolnar the map shows up, but the "Location:" is below the map
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petermolnar you may also want to make it responsive
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GWG I set it up that way.
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petermolnar but it's working and working fine
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petermolnar and accurate
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GWG Petermolnar, map code needs a rewrite. I want to sideload the map.
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GWG Then it can be managed by the media library code
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petermolnar I think it straightforward and much, much simpler that the usual
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GWG Petermolnar, that was what I was trying for. Simple
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petermolnar although I have a feeling many would prefer a map on the Edit UI to pinpoint the location
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petermolnar but that may be too heavy
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petermolnar by the way, do you know how one clears a schedule for a post? :)
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GWG Petermolnar, you change status back to draft?
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petermolnar nope, schedule is still there
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petermolnar something went wrong here :/
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GWG Odd.
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petermolnar aaaaaaaahhhhhh
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petermolnar summer time....
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petermolnar this might interest you by the way: https://petermolnar.eu/linux-tech-coding/secure-wordpress-with-nginx-and-fail2ban/
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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rhiaro o/
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KartikPrabhu \o
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015 (+349) "add my votes, add spacing between days for easier reading when voting, reformat osbridge dates to not look like IWC days since that was confusing me when reading the page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015 (-5) "/* Candidate Dates */" (view diff)
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aaronpk what does the little "o" mean next to peoples votes?
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gRegor` Organizer
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aaronpk ohhh
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gRegor` > Add a date and whether you can make it (and/or help organize o) for those dates +1 (or can't -1 or don't care 0)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015 (+10) "/* Candidate Dates */ add o for me" (view diff)
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rhiaro I'm hoping for a London/Brighton for June, who usually runs that? Not that I don't love an excuse to go to Berlin, but it would be slightly more convenient for me to stay in the country that week
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rhiaro could just check the wiki of course
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tantek.com edited /2015 (+78) "/* Candidate Dates */ possible conflict" (view diff)
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aaronpk rhiaro: if you can help run one in london/brighton in june that would be great!
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aaronpk I was talking with Brennan last week in Berlin and he was interested in doing one in Berlin again but I'll need to get him to pop into the channel more for that to actually happen
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rhiaro I could support, but I'm not well placed to be main organiser for London
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aaronpk what about brighton?
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rhiaro I've never been to Brighton
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aaronpk man june is not looking good for dates
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rhiaro I should probably concentrate on finding sponsors for Edinburgh before I start thinking too hard about another one
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Loqi I agree
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rhiaro thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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aaronpk tantek: if we're not concerned with anchoring to osbridge, what about something drasitc like... july!
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rhiaro but don't you all want to come to Edinburgh in July? :)
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tantek Edinburgh in July sounds lovely
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tantek aaronpk: I agree about not being concerned with anchoring to OS Bridge
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kylewm !tell cweiske here's a video of the log from woodwind on the left, and new posts coming in on the right. it prints "received PuSH notification" right away when it gets the ping https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/not-quite-realtime.webm
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Covata More interesting food for thought around #datasecurity and privacy in the #EU http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/26/leave-facebook-snooped-on-warns-eu-safe-harbour-privacy-us #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/585490884763983872)
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@superfeedr Learn about #webmentions from any website: http://blog.superfeedr.com/tracking-feeds/?utm_content=bufferac4f5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/585492035337121792)
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kylewm what's this now
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tantek I'm not sure the use of webmention there means webmention
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tantek but more a web mention
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aaronpk oh it's like google alerts!
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kylewm glares at julien51
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aaronpk wow $2 per feed
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kylewm thought Superfeedr was gonna start sending webmentions proactively, that would've been awesome and a little crazy
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KevinMarks I'm at iiw - there are discounts for indieweb people if they want to come - ping me
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KevinMarks suggestions for discussions apart from "Indieweb principles and protocols" and "get on the indieweb now" ?
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tantek KevinMarks: are any other IndieWeb folks there? benwerd? erinjo?
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KevinMarks ben & erin are busy this week
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KevinMarks Darius is here
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tantek cool - speak reason!
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@kylewmahan @superfeedr This sounds awesome! Could you clarify-does it relate to webmention-the-spec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention) or something more general? (twitter.com/_/status/585493616937799681)
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@jgmac1106 @benwerd Trying to figure out how webmentions work @withknown I deleted some from feed but once someone mentions me will they always show up (twitter.com/_/status/585496023306526720)
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@benwerd @jgmac1106 If you've connected with brid.gy, you'll get all incoming replies. But Known-to-Known / #indieweb links also show up. (twitter.com/_/status/585496846421909506)
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@kevinmarks #iiw @kevinmarks: I'm proposing 2 #indieweb sessions - a Principles and Protocols one, and Get On the Indieweb in minutes (twitter.com/_/status/585497131185758208)
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@benwerd @jgmac1106 Question: would you prefer if you could switch off webmentions to your site? (twitter.com/_/status/585497629926232066)
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@benwerd @jgmac1106 Wait. That's not a webmention at all. You've opened your site for open registration and his profile is actually on your site! (twitter.com/_/status/585498925429350400)
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@jgmac1106 @benwerd @withknown yeah I figured I couldn't install webmentions. I did on my WP site but need to get through documentation to understand (twitter.com/_/status/585498985554673665)
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kylewm native known spam?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: kylewm: re superfeedr sending webmentions on behalf of sites, a la bridgy's blog feature, Julien and i actually talked about that a while back
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Loqi slack/snarfed: he liked it, and didn't think the cost would be prohibitive. i think dev resource priorities were the main obstacle
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Loqi slack/kylewm: snarfed: all the more perplexing why he would overload "webmention" like that
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tantek because webmention is getting buzzworthy?
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kylewm https://twitter.com/superfeedr/status/585505172421488641
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@superfeedr @kylewmahan more general. Bascially, of anyone links to your site, we'll ping you. (twitter.com/_/status/585505172421488641)
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tantek so… linkmentions?
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@prabath IndieWeb https://indiewebcamp.com/ #IIW20 (twitter.com/_/status/585505987261530115)
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kylewm it sounds like a cool feature, but frustrating to call it something intentionally misleading
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aaronpk i think only the tweet caled it webmentions?
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tantek aaronpk - it's in the blog post too
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aaronpk oh darn
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@JockelLohkamp discussing 'I want to own my stuff' #indiewebcamp at @idworkshop #iiwxx @OuiShareLabs @OuiShare #Jolocom #tech #P2P https://twitter.com/JockelLohkamp/status/585507646989586434/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/585507646989586434)
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@prabath IndieAuth : https://indieauth.com/ #iiw20 (twitter.com/_/status/585511034171035650)
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tantek what is OuiShare?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "OuiShare" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=OuiShare&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-07%2Fline%2F1428432076162
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@ChristopherA @kevinmarks Does the #IndieWeb have principles to be a Participatory Ecosystem (definition at http://www.participatoryecosystem.com/)? (twitter.com/_/status/585514080267591681)
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tantek wow that's some highlevel mumbo jumbo
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tantek is there *anything* that's a concrete example of that "Participatory Ecosystem"
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aaronpk does participatory ecosystem really just mean no monopolies?
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tantek too abstract to understand
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tantek aaronpk - it would be useful if we could conditionally modify the "all contributions to IndieWebCamp are considered to be released under the a CC0 public domain dedication" on the wiki edit page template to also include OWFa for "specs" (things with a spec template?)
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tantek or perhaps we should just flip OWFa as a requirement on *all* wiki contributions
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tantek that way things can move in/out of spec pages too
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tantek for now I'm putting this into the spec edit text: (in HTML comments) By editing and/or contributing to this specification, you agree to make your contributions available under the [http://www.openwebfoundation.org/legal/the-owf-1-0-agreements/owfa-1-0 Open Web Foundation Agreement Version 1.0.
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tantek.com edited /Micropub (+536) "add OWFa 1.0 as contribution agreement to spec edit view, and note in spec license as of today." (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: cool. I don't think I can make the copyright thing change per page, but I could add an OWFa note
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tantek I'm thinking let's give folks the heads-up for today / tomorrow to get feedback / questions
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tantek which we can also discuss in person at the HWC meetup tomorrow
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tantek and assuming no objections, we can add it
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aaronpk it occurs to me that having the indieweb examples and client implementations sections on the /Micropub page is making it confusing to figure out who actually contributed to the spec looking at the edit history
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tantek aaronpk - I suppose we could link contributors to history
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@kevinmarks @ChristopherA well, it has principles that are fairly concrete: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles - you'll have to decide if they fit your definition (twitter.com/_/status/585522298372935681)
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aaronpk KevinMarks++
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@kevinmarks Indieweb principles and protocols session at #iiw http://t.co/L6aiQqZxtr (twitter.com/_/status/585523175741648896)
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@idworkshop RT @kevinmarks: Indieweb principles and protocols session at #iiw https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/585523175741648896/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/585523297934307329)
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@windley RT @kevinmarks: Indieweb principles and protocols session at #iiw https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/585523175741648896/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/585523299242930176)
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tantek KevinMarks++
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@jgmac1106 RT @kevinmarks: Indieweb principles and protocols session at #iiw https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/585523175741648896/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/585523664415784963)
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KevinMarks reminder: I have discount codes for indieweb peeps to come to IIW
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rhiaro What is IIW?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IIW" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IIW&summary=prompted+by+rhiaro+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-07%2Fline%2F1428434755047
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Loqi [bridgy] Ryan Barrett favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/585522298372935681)
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aaronpk here's some notes from last year! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-06-iiw
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KevinMarks iiw is the internet identity workshop, a semiannual unconference on identity online. [[OpenID]] and [[OAuth]] are associated with it. see http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks OK?
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KevinMarks not an edit?
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KevinMarks IIW is the internet identity workshop, a semiannual unconference on identity online. [[OpenID]] and [[OAuth]] are associated with it. see http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
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aaronpk odd
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aaronpk Loqi thinks that worked
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tantek in today's Google search sucks experience, Google failed to find this post when searching for tron:legacy site:tantek http://tantek.com/2011/014/t1/wikipedia-journey-eurythmics-tronlegacy-soundtrack
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tantek Google has really dropped the ball on indexing blogs
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tantek if someone wanted to start a competing blog search service, realtime even powered by PuSH, now would be the time
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aaronpk maybe superfeedr should make a search service
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snarfed tantek: it's on the second page for me
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snarfed under the permalink tantek.com/t49o1
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aaronpk same for me
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KevinMarks tantek, @JockelLohkamp said he was at the remote attending IWC in berlin
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tantek KevinMarks: very cool!
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KevinMarks a blog indexing service? powered by pings?
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tantek aaronpk, snarfed thanks - apparently it's their time-based search that's totally broken
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tantek time-ordered I should say
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tantek when you search for "TRON:Legacy" from the searchbox on my site, it asks Google to order results by most recent first since 1970
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tantek https://www.google.com/search?as_sitesearch=tantek.com&tbs=sbd%3A1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1970&q=TRON%3ALegacy&gws_rd=ssl
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@davidmead Been sketching a similar thing recently @kevinmarks https://www.flickr.com/photo.gne?short=rHQqkb #indieweb http://blog.davidjohnmead.com/s/4Q5vm (twitter.com/_/status/585526847909326849)
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bret yummy tron color scheme
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KevinMarks it's only showing dates on some of your posts, tantek
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tantek all of my posts have <time> element markup of the dates
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tantek KevinMarks: could you provide me with a permalink to a post that does not show dates?
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bret tantek: arrow buttons on your bims would be cool
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kevinmarks.com uploaded /File:missingdates.png "some tantek posts missing dates on google"
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tantek bret - you're welcome to add +1 nested list items with your sig to any of my /Falcon working on or itches :)
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KevinMarks screenshot of some poast having dates and some not, tantek
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KevinMarks s/poast/posts/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: screenshot of some posts having dates and some not, tantek
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tantek bret: https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#archive_pages
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tantek KevinMarks - do you mean in Google search results? as in they're failing to see those <time> elements? (nevermind not indexing the h-entry dt-published )
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KevinMarks or failing to display them in SERPs selectively
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tantek.com edited /2015 (+2) "/* Candidate Dates */ upping week before OSBridge to 0.5, could be convinced to make this work, and I like the idea of getting stuff working before OSBridge (which then folks going to that can demo)" (view diff)
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KevinMarks is it an mf1 vs mf2 thing?
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@JockelLohkamp RT @kevinmarks: Indieweb principles and protocols session at #iiw https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/585523175741648896/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/585530120066183169)
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tantek KevinMarks - the nice thing about PuSH over pinging is that it doesn't require hardcoding in particular service's ping endpoint
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tantek also - people are already deploying PuSH support without search. There are enough use-cases to implement PuSH without search that there is no need to evangelize people to do it - whereas pinging required separate evangelizing, bizdev with big providers etc.
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tantek hmm - Google seems to have hidden blog search (the blogsearch.google.com URL no longer does it)
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tantek but this does some form of it http://www.google.com/search?tbm=blg
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tantek and apparently you can order its results by "most recent"
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tantek e.g. https://www.google.com/webhp?tbm=blg&gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&tbs=sbd:1&tbm=blg&q=%22indieweb%22
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tantek what is news?
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Loqi News is where you keep up with the latest news and developments in the IndieWebCamp Community https://indiewebcamp.com/news
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tantek lol check out this "IndieWeb" article with its featured image: http://www.gruenderszene.de/allgemein/indieweb
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gRegor` Haha
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gRegor` I should get a projector set up so I can work like that.
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tantek I think we clearly need IndieWeb hoodies like that
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tantek.com edited /news (+219) "add Google Blog Search, refine Google News search" (view diff)
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tantek with stripes down the arms like that http://www.gruenderszene.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/panthermedia_9195774_940x627_crop.jpg
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KevinMarks is that one of those hacker dojo images?
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tantek looks like them
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tantek What are Hacker Images?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hacker Images" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Hacker+Images&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-07%2Fline%2F1428437680065
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tantek Hacker Images is https://www.flickr.com/groups/hacker-images/pool/
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Loqi ok
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tantek KevinMarks - and the answer is no - it is not, but definitely evocative of
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tantek.com edited /Hacker_Images (+30) "note dates" (view diff)
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tantek.com moved /Hacker_Images to /hacker_images
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tantek ok I'll look for hoodies / tracksuits with stripes like that
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aaronpk oh dear
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tantek what is Google Blogsearch
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Blogsearch" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Google+Blogsearch&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-07%2Fline%2F1428438490860
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tantek Google Blogsearch is http://www.google.com/search?tbm=blg
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Loqi ok
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tantek just to make that more findable in the future as well
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GWG So, I want to get started promoting HWC in 2 weeks when it has a NYC component. How do people usually promote?
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tantek GWG - I believe you asked that question already last time we discussed it - and I answered it then :)
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GWG I meant technically.
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GWG I've never posted an event.
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GWG I'm afraid by the time I get around to coding an event, the event will pass.
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GWG It has been very low on my list.
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GWG Last time was more...who do I promote it to.
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tantek GWG - right - I think I answered the who question - specifically people in the community, past participants, people you know personally. To avoid spamming.
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GWG Yes
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GWG Now it is...how.
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GWG So, should I invest the time to set up Events, when I have not put that on my list...for one single event?
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gRegor` GWG We've been having Chicago HWC without indie event posts for over a year. No problem for us.
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gRegor` I don't see the existence of them as a factor in promoting HWC
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aaronpk you can always just point people to the indiewebcamp wiki page for the event
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gRegor` And/or the FB event.
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GWG Should I try a Facebook event? Never done one of those before either.
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gRegor` Yes.
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gRegor` And link the FB event from the URLs section of indiewebcamp.
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gRegor` This is the standard tweet format I've used, linking to both: http://gregorlove.com/notes/2015/04/02/1/
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gRegor` Make sure the FB event is public
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tantek GWG - perhaps you could add your questions to a new FAQ section here? http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club
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tantek with the answers from gRegor`
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GWG Will do that as well.
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@kevinmarks A useful scheduling collision #iiw #indieweb #theoryvspractice http://t.co/z88xihYNXn (twitter.com/_/status/585548695774584832)
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@kevinmarks @wjmaggos indieauth supports rel=me to tel: urls with verification by sms (twitter.com/_/status/585549525802229761)
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@iglazer RT @kevinmarks: Indieweb principles and protocols session at #iiw https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/585523175741648896/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/585551274248142848)
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kylewm oh cool! I used document.querySelector('.opened-tweet') in a bookmarklet to let me reply to a tweet without actually going to its permalink page
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kylewm only slightly less work because you still have to expand it
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kylewm and you probably have to have js on :)
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tantek kylewm: how does that work if you're not already *on* the tweet permalink page?
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kylewm I may be using the wrong terminology. I'm on https://twitter.com, I click a tweet to expand/focus on it, but don't actually click on its permalink
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kylewm and then the Reply bookmarklet has a special case where if you are on twitter.com, it looks for class=opened-tweet
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aaronpk oh neat
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aaronpk i should do that too
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KevinMarks For Tantek Take a look at @rmi's Tweet: https://twitter.com/rmi/status/585555112095002627?s=09
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@rmi The Google event horizon is when you add more special punctuation to say "search for what I actually asked for" than your actual search. (twitter.com/_/status/585555112095002627)
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@reederz RT @kevinmarks: A useful scheduling collision #iiw #indieweb #theoryvspractice http://t.co/z88xihYNXn (twitter.com/_/status/585559706661429248)
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gRegor` kylewm: Does your bookmarklet intercept the twitter reply button, or just a bookmarklet you click in the browser?
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kylewm gRegor`: it's just a bookmarklet in the browser
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tantek kylewm: do you have posted anywhere?
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tantek one-click reply UIs are a pretty key focus of area of improvement for indieweb UX
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kylewm not yet, hoping to iterate on it a bit
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aaronpk kylewm: speaking of which I just pushed out your change to Quill
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kylewm rad, thanks aaronpk
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@benwerd RT @kevinmarks: A useful scheduling collision #iiw #indieweb #theoryvspractice https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/585548695774584832/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/585567327174971394)
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kylewm.com edited /Facebook (+536) "/* API Inconsistency */ note problems with duplicate IDs over time" (view diff)
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kylewm yeah that's a very windy, cold walk
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kylewm oops wrong window :)
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kylewm I tried to add enough key words describing the problem so that searches for it will come up
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kylewm if other people see the same issue
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@nobantu Session Topics for Tuesday/Day 1 of #IIW #IIWXX are now up http://iiw.idcommons.net/IIW_20_Notes #unConference #OpenSpace #Identity #VRM #IoT #IndieWeb ++ (twitter.com/_/status/585578482383585280)
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gRegor` Hey, legit email through my contact form. Imagine that. Paul Chalekian who visited Chicago HWC last September contacted me.
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gRegor` Apparently has an indiewebcamp question.
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KevinMarks_ OK, it's time for the get on the indieweb session, are y'all ready to help?
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gRegor` Sure! Depending on the definition of 'help' :)
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KevinMarks_ what is a good site to show logging in with indieauth that allows subdomains?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "good site to show logging in with indieauth that allows subdomains" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=good+site+to+show+logging+in+with+indieauth+that+allows+subdomains&summary=prompted+by+KevinMarks_+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-07%2Fline%2F1428448453832
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: the wiki allows subdomains
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KevinMarks_ oh, it does now? so I can use epeus.blogspot.com
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aaronpk it also allows subfolders http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Micropub&curid=1051&action=history
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Wwelves.org_perpetual-tripper
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KevinMarks_ neat
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KevinMarks_ still denies blogspot: You need to be hosting your identity from your own domain name, not from a shared domain. See Getting Started for more information.
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aaronpk oh that's a blogspot-specific block
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KevinMarks_ heh
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KevinMarks_ one of my proto indieweb folk is on blogspot
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aaronpk you could try monocle.p3k.io
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KevinMarks_ that works
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aaronpk cool
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KevinMarks_ hm, can I get micropub on blogspot via brid.gy
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Loqi [bridgy] Tanisha Shafer-Arata RSVPed maybe to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-08-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/647998125333311#10206686492785048)
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kylewm KevinMarks_: no, not right now at least
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KevinMarks_ OK, just a thought
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KevinMarks_ 'cos brid.gy can post comments as me on my blog
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@nobantu Session Topics for Tuesday/Day 1 of #IIW #IIWXX are now up http://iiw.idcommons.net/IIW_20_Notes #unConference #OpenSpace #Identity #VRM #IoT #IndieWeb ++ (twitter.com/_/status/585589657271934977)
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tantek is that a duplicate tweet?
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tantek hah - almost - one more space in the 2nd tweet