#indiewebcamp 2015-04-07

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kylewm
which I think means you're just posting a tweet with a link to another tweet at the end
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tantek
kylewm that's correct 116 + space + 23 chars for an https tco URL
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tantek
= 140
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benwerd
hmm. one moment then
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tantek
pretty sure this "just works" if you "just" embed a tweet permalink in your tweet
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benwerd
Confirmed
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benwerd
As you were ;)
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tantek
benwerd did you set the in-reply-to-id ?
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kylewm
doesn't increment the RT counter
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benwerd
it's a pure status with link
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tantek
benwerd: uh, but it shows up as in-reply-to your previous tweet https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/585230452023136256
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@benwerd
@twitter Are you planning on including this in your API any time soon?
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benwerd
tantek: so it does
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tantek
you're sure you didn't set explicit in-reply-to-id to get that threading?!?
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kylewm
tantek: hmm, mine doens't show up as in-reply-to benwerd's
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kylewm
(and I actually clicked RT in the web ui)
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tantek
kylewm: you did a native silo post?
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kylewm
and it has very little resemblance to a RT
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benwerd
tantek: I'm checking my code just to make sure there's no bug, but I didn't, no
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tantek
this looks like it shipped a little half-baked
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benwerd
quoting a quote kind of looks terrible too
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benwerd
the link is included, as opposed to tumblr-style, which would probably be more interesting, or some other UI element
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tantek
also - it's not a link - it's broken JS
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tantek
gives me something where clicking on the embed DOES NOTHING
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tantek
even though it could have easily statically linked to the embeded permalink :P
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tantek
huh - that's a regression then
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tantek
because in "normal" tweets where you include a link to another tweet - that link IS CLICKABLE without JS
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gRegor`
Twitter on iPad has given a "quote" or native "retweet" option for ages when you click the RT icon.
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gRegor`
It's been rather annoying that Android didn't have that.
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tantek
same on iPod / iOS
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rhiaro
Twitter on Android did have that
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gRegor`
So it sounds like they just brought that function to web version?
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rhiaro
Mine does, anyway..
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rhiaro
I was annoyed web didn't have it
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gRegor`
Where, rhiaro?
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gRegor`
No dialog when I click RT icon, just RTs it.
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rhiaro
When I tap retweet I get a dialog that offers Quote, Retweet or Cancel
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tantek
same same
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gRegor`
Ok, don't mind me...
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rhiaro
yours has it?
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tantek
kylewm: I've verified that there's no sign of your quoted tweet on the original from benwerd
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tantek
seems like no advantage to using it
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gRegor`
No idea how I've missed it. Think I just got used to it not having it and overlooked "Quote" on the left there.
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kylewm
gRegor`: quote previously did something like "my comment RT @gregor original post" right?
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tantek
even a disadvantage compared to just RT - which *does* add to the RT count and shows your icon among the facepile of those retweeting
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tantek
and a *reply* is even better as you get threaded under the tweet
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gRegor`
Quote, on Android and iOS afaik just populated the author twitter name and text, all surrounded in quotes.
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tantek
thus I suppose a quote tweet is when you want to fork and start a new thread?
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gRegor`
So you could manually cut off the quotes and add an "RT" to manually RT
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tantek
since it clearly disconnects it from the original
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tantek
which is kind of sad in the hypertexty kind of way
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tantek
it would be better to see quotes of a tweet *from* the tweet
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gRegor`
I don't see what's new here. Twitter's auto-embedded tweets when you link to them for a while now? https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/585230772463767552
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tantek
rhiaro: congrats - you appear to shipped the 10th server implementation of micropub
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tantek
s/shipped/have shipped
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: rhiaro: congrats - you appear to have shipped the 10th server implementation of micropub
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kylewm
gRegor`: agreed
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tantek
gRegor`: what's new is that they no longer show a link to the tweet and thus you can't click on it when you have no JS
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tantek
so they made it worse
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kylewm
they've had the embed for a while
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kylewm
oh but you're saying the link used to show up
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tantek
correct. and thus be clickable
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kylewm
sort of like how they phased out links to photos when the photo is embedded
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gRegor`
So with JS off is there nothing clickable?
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gRegor`
With JS on I can click the embedded tweet.
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tantek
right - JS off = nothing clickable in the embed
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gRegor`
Lame
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tantek
I feel like you have to *try* to screw up something that obvious
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tantek
to many JS-only engineers
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tantek
s/to many/too many
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: too many JS-only engineers
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gRegor`
Think this will cause a rise in Twitter flirting, given the QTs going around?
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kylewm
what is Twitter flirting?
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kylewm
sorry, I couldn't resist :p
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gRegor`
Haha
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gRegor`
benwerd: Do you get a notification for me quoting your tweet?
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tantek
I was wondering the same thing
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kylewm
me thinks they just institutionalized subtweeting
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gRegor`
I believe it does notify you.
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tantek
then it's not sub
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gRegor`
Before embedding happened, I know some people would link a tweet so they could callout or otherwise subtweet, but then Twitter started notifying people of those too.
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gRegor`
So it seems like QT is just a shortcut for pasting the link in now
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gRegor`
So /2015 is coming... should dates be selected?
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tantek
gRegor`: are you volunteering to help co-organize?
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gRegor`
Doh. Should have screencapped that, kylewm. Yes, I got "Kyle quoted you and said..." in my phone notifications. And it shows up in my Twitter notifications tab.
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gRegor`
Not really :)
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gRegor`
I mostly wanted to have it on my calendar so I could plan for it.
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tantek
gRegor`: if you have constraints or suggestions, you could edit /2015 accordingly
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gRegor`
I've voted on there :)
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tantek.com
edited /own_your_data (+112) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ INDIEWEB ALL THE THINGS"
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tantek
huh I think other non-JS things broke too
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tantek
(on Twitter)
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upon2020.com
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upon2020.com
edited /UBOS (+1) "Github URL changed"
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+223) "/* archives */ need their own next/prev links similar to permalink page next/prev links"
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aaronpk
Oh jeez June is pretty close
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aaronpk
Oh man better start putting that into my mental model of the next few months
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tantek
aaronpk - I'm not going to OSBridge because I have a conflict that whole week
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aaronpk
Oh wow
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tantek
I think before OSBridge would be good
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aaronpk
You have many meetings lately I've noticed
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aaronpk
Yeah I don't think we need to "ride the osbridge momentum" like we did in the past
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aaronpk
I haven't even looked at what dates osbridge is yet
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tantek
it's on the /2015 page
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tantek
one question is - do we want to stick with the Saturday / Sunday format, or should we try shifting to a weekday or two? e.g. ThF or FSa?
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aaronpk
Oh man the quantified self conference is thu-sat
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tantek
the thinking would be - it would be nice to have a day or two after to just have the weekend in Portland
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tantek
aaronpk - wait you take quantified self conferences seriously? aren't they just big marketing / sales driven things to sell people devices to put data into silos that they forget about?
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aaronpk
I am hoping to change that
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tantek
(my experience has been that very few in the QS conf scene actually selfdogfood any QS themselves)
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tantek
(so much so that it's just an excuse to sell people crap)
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tantek
(to make them *feel* like they are doing QS - but no one actually has a hold on their data)
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aaronpk
Oh there's plenty of selfdogfooding. People take that stuff very seriously and often have very interesting projects/outcomes
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aaronpk
But the data ownership part is a very sad state right now
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tantek
hmm - gonna need some citations to that "plenty of selfdogfooding"
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tantek
to public URLs of results
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aaronpk
Maybe plenty is an overstatement
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tantek.com
edited /2015 (+306) "add a couple more candidate pairs of dates"
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aaronpk
Also quantified self != web, but the data ownership stuff overlaps a lot
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tantek
lol so much blind 2014 copy pasta
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tantek.com
edited /2015 (+18) "/* Candidate Dates */ fix 2014 copy pasta, note conflict on 27th"
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aaronpk
Anyway gotta run for now
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tantek
aaronpk - cool - update https://indiewebcamp.com/2015#Candidate_Dates when you can!
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tantek
add your +1/0/-1 for each, and other candidate dates
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tantek
that's an open invitation for everyone to do so
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kylewm
how'd it go having Cambridge on weekdays; were there people who couldn't come because of work?
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tantek
I don't think we heard of any one saying that
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tantek
if anything - we definitely got a few more different and interesting participants by being adjacent to the Social Web WG f2f
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tantek
people that could stay an extra day for day 1 of IWC
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tantek
I wouldn't mind trying a ThF IWC 2015
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tantek
but I have no idea how that would affect past IWC Portland participants
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acegiak
GWG: what happened to the repost kind?
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GWG
acegiak: It's hiding
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acegiak
shouldnt it unhide when I enable link sharing in the options?
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@InfoSecDane
#Snowden #Oliver interview was funny, but also made a good point about the public's inability to understand #digital #privacy. #OwnYourData
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GWG
acegiak: I'll be fixing that.
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GWG
I've been in location land
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acegiak
GWG: fair enough. what do I need to do to unhide it in hte meantime?
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GWG
acegiak: Simple
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GWG
$include = array_unique(apply_filters('kind_include', $include));
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GWG
Add a filter
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GWG
I may get to that tonight, if they stop fighting with me over Simple Location
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gRegor`
I like the idea of a weekend IWC so it's less likely to conflict with work schedules/require time off.
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gRegor`
Perhaps a Fri/Sat, but not both on weekdays
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gregorlove.com
edited /2015 (+205) "/* Candidate Dates */ votes"
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GWG
Had a bit of a flood emergency here.
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GWG
acegiak: Did I answer your question? I sort of had to run there
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acegiak
GWG: yes but I haven't had a go yet
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acegiak
do we have a wiki article on how comment threads work?
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GWG
acegiak: What do you mean by comment threads?
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acegiak
like, kylewm replied to a post I made, trying to work out what the proper way to respond is
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GWG
acegiak: Yes. I had pointed it out. The comment type needs to be set to "" instead of webmention
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acegiak
GWG: is that intended behaviour?
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acegiak
kylewm: he's using the same stack, isn't he?
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GWG
acegiak: It's a problem that will fix in 4.2
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acegiak
GWG: 4.2 of wordpress?
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acegiak
I really think I need to make semantic linkbacks add comments on a webmention reply as child comments to the comment being added
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acegiak
or updated
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acegiak
morning, pfefferle!
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pfefferle
acegiak good morning
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cweiske
kylewm, did you already implement using the POST data from a PuSH notification?
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Loqi
cweiske: aaronpk left you a message on 4/3 at 4:55am: have you ever used php-resque? I'm thinking about switching all my stuff to use it https://github.com/chrisboulton/php-resque http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-03/line/1428062136906
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cweiske
!tell aaronpk, no, I didn't check php-resque. I was happy with gearman. But now I just found out that I need scheduled tasks, which is something that neither gearman nor php-resque give me
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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marcthiele.com
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kylewm
cweiske: yes
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cweiske
oh. phubb worker died
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cweiske
the problem with long running processes
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aaronpk
Scheduled tasks like cron?
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Loqi
aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 5 hours, 1 minute ago: didn't check php-resque. I was happy with gearman. But now I just found out that I need scheduled tasks, which is something that neither gearman nor php-resque give me http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-07/line/1428398114615
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cweiske
aaronpk, yes
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aaronpk
I usually use cron to schedule jobs in the same worker queue
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aaronpk
Huh I didn't see that yet. I apparently don't have very good github notifications set up. I'm always getting emails about the Bridgy threads I get added to but seem to not get emails about PRs to my own repos
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cweiske
kylewm, I don't get below 3 seconds :/
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kylewm
cweiske: same, I havent debugged yet
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kylewm
cweiske: also those numbers don't measure real latency... it's rendering on my server based on your <time> tag
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cweiske
oh. I thought that the browser calculates that
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kylewm
i'm going to do that eventually
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cweiske
as difference between of the article's update time and the time it's displayed in the browser
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kylewm
use moment.js instead
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kylewm
so yeah i'm not sure why it still takes > 0 seconds
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kylewm
bbiab
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GWG
Morning all
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Loqi
petermolnar: pfefferle left you a message 6 days, 1 hour ago: thanks, I will have a look! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427892859856
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GWG
Petermolnar, I submitted the location plugin for the repository.
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GWG
Would you be willing to have a look?
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@kartik_prabhu
“Note: Due to incompatibilities between the website and the app, not all events will transfer.” Thanks #apsapril (https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/website-app-apsparil)
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KartikPrabhu
#appobsession
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petermolnar
GWG I've tested the dev version from Github; I'd say it's fine but I'll try the final as well
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GWG
Petermolnar, recently?
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petermolnar
sometimes last week, so not really
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GWG
Petermolnar, mostly cleanup since then.
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GWG
I want to change map generation methods. I have issues with the current one, but wanted to get the thing working.
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GWG
Petermolnar, what did you think so far?
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GWG
I kept trying to simplify it.
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petermolnar
let me update it
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GWG
Petermolnar, appreciate any feedback especially if it helps me improve it.
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petermolnar
GWG what exactly is triggered with "Display Map and Coordinates" ?
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petermolnar
I have a pretty tricky theme and a lot of hacks in my setup and it's not really doing anything for my site at the moment, but again, tricky setup
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GWG
Petermolnar, iy adds the map and the geo coordinates to the content
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petermolnar
with a filter?
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GWG
The alternative is just the textual location description
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GWG
The content filter
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GWG
I have a way to disable that if the theme wants to place it.
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petermolnar
nope, that's not showing up for me, let me debug this
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GWG
Okay. But you have already helped. May need to change the text
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petermolnar
actually I was expecting this
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petermolnar
the problem is with my thing
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petermolnar
the text is fine in my opinion
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petermolnar
you have to tick both
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petermolnar
that's what I missed :)
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GWG
Petermolnar, UI changes required.
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petermolnar
the map shows up, but the "Location:" is below the map
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petermolnar
you may also want to make it responsive
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GWG
I set it up that way.
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petermolnar
but it's working and working fine
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petermolnar
and accurate
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GWG
Petermolnar, map code needs a rewrite. I want to sideload the map.
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GWG
Then it can be managed by the media library code
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petermolnar
I think it straightforward and much, much simpler that the usual
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GWG
Petermolnar, that was what I was trying for. Simple
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petermolnar
although I have a feeling many would prefer a map on the Edit UI to pinpoint the location
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petermolnar
but that may be too heavy
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petermolnar
by the way, do you know how one clears a schedule for a post? :)
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GWG
Petermolnar, you change status back to draft?
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petermolnar
nope, schedule is still there
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petermolnar
something went wrong here :/
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GWG
Odd.
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petermolnar
aaaaaaaahhhhhh
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petermolnar
summer time....
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achangeiscoming.net
edited /2015 (+30) "/* Candidate Cities */"
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achangeiscoming.net
created /Template:achangeiscoming.net (+147) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">{{sparkline|https://twitter.com/jdp23/profile_image}}[[User:Achangeiscoming.net|Jon Pincus" target="_blank">User:Achangeiscoming.net|Jon" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/jdp23/profile_image}}[[User:Achangeiscoming.net|Jon Pincus]]</span>""
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achangeiscoming.net
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2015 (+349) "add my votes, add spacing between days for easier reading when voting, reformat osbridge dates to not look like IWC days since that was confusing me when reading the page"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2015 (-5) "/* Candidate Dates */"
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gregorlove.com
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aaronpk
what does the little "o" mean next to peoples votes?
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gRegor`
Organizer
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gRegor`
> Add a date and whether you can make it (and/or help organize o) for those dates +1 (or can't -1 or don't care 0)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2015 (+10) "/* Candidate Dates */ add o for me"
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rhiaro
I'm hoping for a London/Brighton for June, who usually runs that? Not that I don't love an excuse to go to Berlin, but it would be slightly more convenient for me to stay in the country that week
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rhiaro
could just check the wiki of course
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tantek.com
edited /2015 (+78) "/* Candidate Dates */ possible conflict"
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aaronpk
rhiaro: if you can help run one in london/brighton in june that would be great!
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aaronpk
I was talking with Brennan last week in Berlin and he was interested in doing one in Berlin again but I'll need to get him to pop into the channel more for that to actually happen
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rhiaro
I could support, but I'm not well placed to be main organiser for London
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aaronpk
what about brighton?
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rhiaro
I've never been to Brighton
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aaronpk
man june is not looking good for dates
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rhiaro
I should probably concentrate on finding sponsors for Edinburgh before I start thinking too hard about another one
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Loqi
I agree
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rhiaro
thanks Loqi
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Loqi
you're welcome
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aaronpk
tantek: if we're not concerned with anchoring to osbridge, what about something drasitc like... july!
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rhiaro
but don't you all want to come to Edinburgh in July? :)
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tantek
Edinburgh in July sounds lovely
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tantek
aaronpk: I agree about not being concerned with anchoring to OS Bridge
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kylewm
!tell cweiske here's a video of the log from woodwind on the left, and new posts coming in on the right. it prints "received PuSH notification" right away when it gets the ping https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/not-quite-realtime.webm
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Covata
More interesting food for thought around #datasecurity and privacy in the #EU http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/26/leave-facebook-snooped-on-warns-eu-safe-harbour-privacy-us #OwnYourData
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kylewm
what's this now
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tantek
I'm not sure the use of webmention there means webmention
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tantek
but more a web mention
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aaronpk
oh it's like google alerts!
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kylewm
glares at julien51
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aaronpk
wow $2 per feed
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kylewm
thought Superfeedr was gonna start sending webmentions proactively, that would've been awesome and a little crazy
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KevinMarks
I'm at iiw - there are discounts for indieweb people if they want to come - ping me
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KevinMarks
suggestions for discussions apart from "Indieweb principles and protocols" and "get on the indieweb now" ?
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tantek
KevinMarks: are any other IndieWeb folks there? benwerd? erinjo?
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KevinMarks
ben & erin are busy this week
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KevinMarks
Darius is here
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tantek
cool - speak reason!
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@kylewmahan
@superfeedr This sounds awesome! Could you clarify-does it relate to webmention-the-spec (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention) or something more general?
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@jgmac1106
@benwerd Trying to figure out how webmentions work @withknown I deleted some from feed but once someone mentions me will they always show up
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@benwerd
@jgmac1106 If you've connected with brid.gy, you'll get all incoming replies. But Known-to-Known / #indieweb links also show up.
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@kevinmarks
#iiw @kevinmarks: I'm proposing 2 #indieweb sessions - a Principles and Protocols one, and Get On the Indieweb in minutes
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@benwerd
@jgmac1106 Question: would you prefer if you could switch off webmentions to your site?
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@benwerd
@jgmac1106 Wait. That's not a webmention at all. You've opened your site for open registration and his profile is actually on your site!
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@jgmac1106
@benwerd @withknown yeah I figured I couldn't install webmentions. I did on my WP site but need to get through documentation to understand
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kylewm
native known spam?
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: kylewm: re superfeedr sending webmentions on behalf of sites, a la bridgy's blog feature, Julien and i actually talked about that a while back
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: he liked it, and didn't think the cost would be prohibitive. i think dev resource priorities were the main obstacle
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Loqi
slack/kylewm: snarfed: all the more perplexing why he would overload "webmention" like that
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tantek
because webmention is getting buzzworthy?
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@superfeedr
@kylewmahan more general. Bascially, of anyone links to your site, we'll ping you.
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tantek
so… linkmentions?
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kylewm
it sounds like a cool feature, but frustrating to call it something intentionally misleading
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aaronpk
i think only the tweet caled it webmentions?
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tantek
aaronpk - it's in the blog post too
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aaronpk
oh darn
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tantek
what is OuiShare?
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@ChristopherA
@kevinmarks Does the #IndieWeb have principles to be a Participatory Ecosystem (definition at http://www.participatoryecosystem.com/)?
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tantek
wow that's some highlevel mumbo jumbo
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tantek
is there *anything* that's a concrete example of that "Participatory Ecosystem"
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aaronpk
does participatory ecosystem really just mean no monopolies?
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tantek
too abstract to understand
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tantek
aaronpk - it would be useful if we could conditionally modify the "all contributions to IndieWebCamp are considered to be released under the a CC0 public domain dedication" on the wiki edit page template to also include OWFa for "specs" (things with a spec template?)
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tantek
or perhaps we should just flip OWFa as a requirement on *all* wiki contributions
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tantek
that way things can move in/out of spec pages too
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tantek
for now I'm putting this into the spec edit text: (in HTML comments) By editing and/or contributing to this specification, you agree to make your contributions available under the [http://www.openwebfoundation.org/legal/the-owf-1-0-agreements/owfa-1-0 Open Web Foundation Agreement Version 1.0.
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tantek.com
edited /Micropub (+536) "add OWFa 1.0 as contribution agreement to spec edit view, and note in spec license as of today."
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aaronpk
tantek: cool. I don't think I can make the copyright thing change per page, but I could add an OWFa note
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tantek
I'm thinking let's give folks the heads-up for today / tomorrow to get feedback / questions
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tantek
which we can also discuss in person at the HWC meetup tomorrow
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tantek
and assuming no objections, we can add it
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aaronpk
it occurs to me that having the indieweb examples and client implementations sections on the /Micropub page is making it confusing to figure out who actually contributed to the spec looking at the edit history
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david.shanske.com
edited /WordPress_Plugins (+2) "/* Optional plugins */"
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tantek
aaronpk - I suppose we could link contributors to history
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@kevinmarks
@ChristopherA well, it has principles that are fairly concrete: http://indiewebcamp.com/principles - you'll have to decide if they fit your definition
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aaronpk
KevinMarks++
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 97 karma
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@kevinmarks
Indieweb principles and protocols session at #iiw http://t.co/L6aiQqZxtr
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tantek
KevinMarks++
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 98 karma
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KevinMarks
reminder: I have discount codes for indieweb peeps to come to IIW
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rhiaro
What is IIW?
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KevinMarks
iiw is the internet identity workshop, a semiannual unconference on identity online. [[OpenID]] and [[OAuth]] are associated with it. see http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
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KevinMarks
not an edit?
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KevinMarks
IIW is the internet identity workshop, a semiannual unconference on identity online. [[OpenID]] and [[OAuth]] are associated with it. see http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
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aaronpk
Loqi thinks that worked
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tantek
in today's Google search sucks experience, Google failed to find this post when searching for tron:legacy site:tantek http://tantek.com/2011/014/t1/wikipedia-journey-eurythmics-tronlegacy-soundtrack
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tantek
Google has really dropped the ball on indexing blogs
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tantek
if someone wanted to start a competing blog search service, realtime even powered by PuSH, now would be the time
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aaronpk
maybe superfeedr should make a search service
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snarfed
tantek: it's on the second page for me
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snarfed
under the permalink tantek.com/t49o1
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aaronpk
same for me
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KevinMarks
tantek, @JockelLohkamp said he was at the remote attending IWC in berlin
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tantek
KevinMarks: very cool!
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KevinMarks
a blog indexing service? powered by pings?
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tantek
aaronpk, snarfed thanks - apparently it's their time-based search that's totally broken
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tantek
time-ordered I should say
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tantek
when you search for "TRON:Legacy" from the searchbox on my site, it asks Google to order results by most recent first since 1970
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bret
yummy tron color scheme
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KevinMarks
it's only showing dates on some of your posts, tantek
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tantek
all of my posts have <time> element markup of the dates
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tantek
KevinMarks: could you provide me with a permalink to a post that does not show dates?
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bret
tantek: arrow buttons on your bims would be cool
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kevinmarks.com
uploaded /File:missingdates.png "some tantek posts missing dates on google"
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tantek
bret - you're welcome to add +1 nested list items with your sig to any of my /Falcon working on or itches :)
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KevinMarks
screenshot of some poast having dates and some not, tantek
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KevinMarks
s/poast/posts/
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Loqi
KevinMarks meant to say: screenshot of some posts having dates and some not, tantek
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tantek
KevinMarks - do you mean in Google search results? as in they're failing to see those <time> elements? (nevermind not indexing the h-entry dt-published )
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KevinMarks
or failing to display them in SERPs selectively
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tantek.com
edited /2015 (+2) "/* Candidate Dates */ upping week before OSBridge to 0.5, could be convinced to make this work, and I like the idea of getting stuff working before OSBridge (which then folks going to that can demo)"
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KevinMarks
is it an mf1 vs mf2 thing?
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tantek
KevinMarks - the nice thing about PuSH over pinging is that it doesn't require hardcoding in particular service's ping endpoint
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tantek
also - people are already deploying PuSH support without search. There are enough use-cases to implement PuSH without search that there is no need to evangelize people to do it - whereas pinging required separate evangelizing, bizdev with big providers etc.
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tantek
hmm - Google seems to have hidden blog search (the blogsearch.google.com URL no longer does it)
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tantek
but this does some form of it http://www.google.com/search?tbm=blg
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tantek
and apparently you can order its results by "most recent"
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tantek
what is news?
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Loqi
News is where you keep up with the latest news and developments in the IndieWebCamp Community https://indiewebcamp.com/news
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tantek
lol check out this "IndieWeb" article with its featured image: http://www.gruenderszene.de/allgemein/indieweb
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gRegor`
Haha
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gRegor`
I should get a projector set up so I can work like that.
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tantek
I think we clearly need IndieWeb hoodies like that
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KevinMarks
is that one of those hacker dojo images?
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tantek
looks like them
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tantek
What are Hacker Images?
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loqi.me
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tantek
KevinMarks - and the answer is no - it is not, but definitely evocative of
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edited /Hacker_Images (+987) "expand with links, and other examples"
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tantek.com
edited /Hacker_Images (+30) "note dates"
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tantek.com
edited /lulz (+32) "add a couple more"
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tantek.com
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tantek
ok I'll look for hoodies / tracksuits with stripes like that
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aaronpk
oh dear
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tantek
what is Google Blogsearch
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loqi.me
created /Google_Blogsearch (+84) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-07/line/1428438490860 and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek
just to make that more findable in the future as well
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GWG
So, I want to get started promoting HWC in 2 weeks when it has a NYC component. How do people usually promote?
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david.shanske.com
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tantek
GWG - I believe you asked that question already last time we discussed it - and I answered it then :)
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GWG
I meant technically.
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GWG
I've never posted an event.
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GWG
I'm afraid by the time I get around to coding an event, the event will pass.
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GWG
It has been very low on my list.
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GWG
Last time was more...who do I promote it to.
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tantek
GWG - right - I think I answered the who question - specifically people in the community, past participants, people you know personally. To avoid spamming.
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GWG
Yes
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GWG
Now it is...how.
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GWG
So, should I invest the time to set up Events, when I have not put that on my list...for one single event?
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gRegor`
GWG We've been having Chicago HWC without indie event posts for over a year. No problem for us.
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gRegor`
I don't see the existence of them as a factor in promoting HWC
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aaronpk
you can always just point people to the indiewebcamp wiki page for the event
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gRegor`
And/or the FB event.
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GWG
Should I try a Facebook event? Never done one of those before either.
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gRegor`
Yes.
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gRegor`
And link the FB event from the URLs section of indiewebcamp.
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gRegor`
This is the standard tweet format I've used, linking to both: http://gregorlove.com/notes/2015/04/02/1/
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gRegor`
Make sure the FB event is public
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tantek
GWG - perhaps you could add your questions to a new FAQ section here? http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club
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tantek
with the answers from gRegor`
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GWG
Will do that as well.
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@kevinmarks
A useful scheduling collision #iiw #indieweb #theoryvspractice http://t.co/z88xihYNXn
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@kevinmarks
@wjmaggos indieauth supports rel=me to tel: urls with verification by sms
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kylewm
oh cool! I used document.querySelector('.opened-tweet') in a bookmarklet to let me reply to a tweet without actually going to its permalink page
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kylewm
only slightly less work because you still have to expand it
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kylewm
and you probably have to have js on :)
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tantek
kylewm: how does that work if you're not already *on* the tweet permalink page?
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kylewm
I may be using the wrong terminology. I'm on https://twitter.com, I click a tweet to expand/focus on it, but don't actually click on its permalink
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kylewm
and then the Reply bookmarklet has a special case where if you are on twitter.com, it looks for class=opened-tweet
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aaronpk
oh neat
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aaronpk
i should do that too
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@rmi
The Google event horizon is when you add more special punctuation to say "search for what I actually asked for" than your actual search.
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@reederz
RT @kevinmarks: A useful scheduling collision #iiw #indieweb #theoryvspractice http://t.co/z88xihYNXn
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gRegor`
kylewm: Does your bookmarklet intercept the twitter reply button, or just a bookmarklet you click in the browser?
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kylewm
gRegor`: it's just a bookmarklet in the browser
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tantek
kylewm: do you have posted anywhere?
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tantek
one-click reply UIs are a pretty key focus of area of improvement for indieweb UX
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kylewm
not yet, hoping to iterate on it a bit
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aaronpk
kylewm: speaking of which I just pushed out your change to Quill
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kylewm
rad, thanks aaronpk
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@benwerd
RT @kevinmarks: A useful scheduling collision #iiw #indieweb #theoryvspractice https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/585548695774584832/photo/1
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kylewm.com
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kylewm
yeah that's a very windy, cold walk
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kylewm
oops wrong window :)
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kylewm
I tried to add enough key words describing the problem so that searches for it will come up
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kylewm
if other people see the same issue
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@nobantu
Session Topics for Tuesday/Day 1 of #IIW #IIWXX are now up http://iiw.idcommons.net/IIW_20_Notes #unConference #OpenSpace #Identity #VRM #IoT #IndieWeb ++
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gRegor`
Hey, legit email through my contact form. Imagine that. Paul Chalekian who visited Chicago HWC last September contacted me.
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gRegor`
Apparently has an indiewebcamp question.
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KevinMarks_
OK, it's time for the get on the indieweb session, are y'all ready to help?
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gRegor`
Sure! Depending on the definition of 'help' :)
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KevinMarks_
what is a good site to show logging in with indieauth that allows subdomains?
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: the wiki allows subdomains
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KevinMarks_
oh, it does now? so I can use epeus.blogspot.com
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KevinMarks_
still denies blogspot: You need to be hosting your identity from your own domain name, not from a shared domain. See Getting Started for more information.
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aaronpk
oh that's a blogspot-specific block
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KevinMarks_
one of my proto indieweb folk is on blogspot
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aaronpk
you could try monocle.p3k.io
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KevinMarks_
that works
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KevinMarks_
hm, can I get micropub on blogspot via brid.gy
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kylewm
KevinMarks_: no, not right now at least
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KevinMarks_
OK, just a thought
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KevinMarks_
'cos brid.gy can post comments as me on my blog
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@nobantu
Session Topics for Tuesday/Day 1 of #IIW #IIWXX are now up http://iiw.idcommons.net/IIW_20_Notes #unConference #OpenSpace #Identity #VRM #IoT #IndieWeb ++
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tantek
is that a duplicate tweet?
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tantek
hah - almost - one more space in the 2nd tweet