#indiewebcamp 2015-04-08

2015-04-08 UTC
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@kevinmarks #iiw @kevinmarks: @dariusdunlap took notes on the indieweb principles and protocols session - check the wiki (twitter.com/_/status/585595424406433792)
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KevinMarks_ we got 2 new people indiwebified, and 2 more will look later (dean landsman being one)
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@idcoach #iiw @kevinmarks Indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/ people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’. (twitter.com/_/status/585598021628493824)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: KevinMarks_: kylewm: re the micropub proxy service idea for hosted blogs like blogspot...i like it!
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KevinMarks_ do you already have posting to blogspot? or just comments?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: bridgy itself is probably overloaded enough as it is, but I'd be happy to help build it as a separate service
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Loqi slack/snarfed: just comments
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KevinMarks_ hm, can you edit blogger templates by api to add an endpoint?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: huh! i don't know. for bridgy webmentions, i give them instructions and they have to do it themselves
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@kevinmarks #iiw @dariusdunlap: we took a handful of people through getting started on being the indieweb indiewebify.me is where to start (twitter.com/_/status/585599747911712768)
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@kevinmarks #iiw @dariusdunlap: Matt says he got on the indieweb in minutes (twitter.com/_/status/585599827351842817)
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@wavis RT @kevinmarks: #iiw @dariusdunlap: Matt says he got on the indieweb in minutes (twitter.com/_/status/585600178444435457)
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KevinMarks_ looks like no api to templates :(
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Loqi slack/snarfed: not a showstopper, instructions work ok
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KevinMarks_ "our notes are in the blockchain, and when they have been mined we'll send you a link"
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Loqi slack/snarfed: blockchain;dr
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@mshook RT @kevinmarks: #iiw @dariusdunlap: we took a handful of people through getting started on being the indieweb indiewebify.me is where to st… (twitter.com/_/status/585601806484512768)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Loqi slack/snarfed: <http://micropub.appspot.com|micropub.appspot.com> is taken, but maybe aaronpk would let us borrow something like <http://blogs.micropub.net|blogs.micropub.net>
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KevinMarks_ hi Christopher
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KevinMarks_ do you have a website?
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Christopher I think KevinMarks_ is speaking to me? Sorry, I have no real experience with IRC.
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KevinMarks_ hi, I was wondering what brought you here
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Christopher I'm not sure which Kevin Marks this is, but I have found the indie web approach interesting for some time, and occasionally look around at what's new.
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Christopher In particular, I was listenting to This WEek in Google, and investigated huffduff-video. That led me along to Jeremy(?)'s site, etc.
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Christopher I do not have any site of my own, really. the closest thing is that I know a tiny bit about running a MediaWiki site internally at my company.
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bengo @KevinMarks Who was talking micro pub proxy? I was thinking about the same thing earlier today
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bengo e.g. I could write a proxy that speaks micro pub, but takes all published entries and (idfk) posts a Livefyre Comments omewhere
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KevinMarks_ christopher, we can help you get your own site
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KevinMarks_ bengo: do livefyre comments have permanent urls or are they only on the host site?
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bengo There are technically canonical URLs...
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bengo that currently only serialize as JSON
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KevinMarks_ so emitting an html page that has h-entry coudl work too?
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bengo Yeah. It's harder for me to indieweb our core services (without a real customer stakeholder)
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KevinMarks_ webmention is more natural for comments, but again they need a permalink to parse
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bengo than it is for me to create indieweb-speaking proxies for our core services
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bengo The Use Case I had in mind was e.g. using Quill (http://indiewebcamp.com/Quill) to post a Livefyre Comment
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bengo (ironically our micro service that actually accepts comment posts is also called quill)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: bengo: for context, take a look at <https://www.brid.gy/about#blogs> as one example
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KevinMarks_ nice, and worth doing
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bengo Similarly, the proxy could expose an HTML resource that takes a lf comments canonical url and renders as h-entry
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KevinMarks_ I was thinking that this approach: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2003/09/how-to-atomize-or-de-atomize.html to micropub could be a good one
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bengo What is slack/snarfed?
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bengo Is there an indieweb slack?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: we could definitely add livefyre to the bridgy blogs webmention service too
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Loqi slack/snarfed: bengo: yes, it's bridged. <http://slack.indiewebcamp.com/>
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bengo thx
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bengo wow that's great who set that up?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: aaronpk
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Loqi slack/bengo: Testing from slack
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gRegor` Test worked, bengo :)
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bengo :)
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bengo @KevinMarks could link share of that atomization post. Crazy to see the 2003 timestamp :)
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bengo Someday we'll get all this figured out
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Christopher
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Christopher /help
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Loqi [bridgy] Ilya Kreymer RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-08-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/647998125333311#10100706053205521)
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Guest98757 All, pardon me as I fumble around to learn IRC. I don't mean to be a disturbance. -- Christopher Ursich
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sparverius Hi, Guest98757! If you type /nick xyz123 you can change your handle. If you type /msg nickserv help then you can learn about registering that handle.
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ChrisUrsich ah, thanks sparverius. I wasn't geting the help syntax right
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sparverius ChrisUrsich: it's cool
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gRegor` Welcome aboard, ChrisUrsich
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ChrisUrsich uh, earlier, was I talking to actual Kevin Marks from Apple, Google, Salesforce, etc.?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: wow that guy sounds like a big deal :P
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Loqi slack/snarfed: on an unrelated note, looks like the blogger, tumblr, and <http://wordpress.com|wordpress.com> APIs all support creating, editing, and deleting posts
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Loqi slack/snarfed: so the micropub proxy is a go if we want to build it!
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ChrisUrsich Just watching the discussion here, I was looking up what "slack/snarfed" was and didn't find anything official looking. Is that people?
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acegiak loqi is acting as a slack bridge
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Loqi :)
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acegiak so snarfed is talking on slack and the messages are being relayed by loqi
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ChrisUrsich ty
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GWG acegiak: As I was called away yesterday due a flood, can I speak to you on what I was going to then?
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acegiak certainly can
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ben_thatmustbeme woohooo... i have deduplication of comments working
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GWG acegiak: The kind selection options, what is the best way to divide them?
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ben_thatmustbeme as least in so far as one of them has the syndication link
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acegiak as in which options should toggle which kinds on and off?
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GWG acegiak: Exactly. I agreed with the idea that the full list was overwhelming
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acegiak I feel like you're on track with the options you have so far
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GWG acegiak: I want some to be enabled by secondary plugin.
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Loqi gives GWG some to be enabled by secondary plugin
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acegiak you could add a quantified physicalities category for location checkins and if someone wanted to track food and drinks
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GWG acegiak: For example, I just released my location plugin. I want Check-Ins to automatically appear if it is enabled.
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acegiak personally I think hiding some until they're toggled on is solving a problem I haven't seen be an actual problem yet
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GWG Well, if you look at post formats, they let the theme set which ones are enabled.
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GWG And I still have the choice between Like and Favorite to deal with.
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acegiak I'm just cautious about scratching the itches of users that are hypothetical
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acegiak /personally/ I consider the difference between the two to be akin to the difference between a post and a page
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acegiak I like a thing that is chronologically contextual. A like happens in the present tense. For me a favourite is something that doesn't require a time context. It is in the infinitive tense
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GWG acegiak: I agreed with the idea on the basis that the list is long and I keep making it longer. But conversely, someone asked me if I disabled them because they weren't ready to be used. So I need to rethink it.
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acegiak GWG: My suggestion is keep making it longer until either you or anyone else using it gets annoyed with it
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GWG acegiak: I have other improvements to make now that my other project is done for a bit.
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acegiak only because I'm aware that it's very easy to get caught up developing for use cases that are entirely hypothetical which distracts from looking at what you actually want the tool you're using to be doing
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GWG acegiak: Speaking of which, would you be able to give me feedback on it?
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GWG My plan for the coming weeks is, in order...revisit Post Kinds, Syndication Links, and mf2_s for some upgrades I've considered while working on this. Then I have an Own My Bookmarks project I want to experiment with.
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acegiak GWG: exciting!
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GWG acegiak: Which?
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acegiak your whole list!
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acegiak I want to have a go at webmention salmonlike comments
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acegiak but it's super intimidating
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GWG acegiak: Any big list of things you want to do is.
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GWG That is the problem with big dreams.
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Loqi slack/snarfed: acegiak++ for pushing back against hypothetical itches
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Loqi slack/snarfed: GWG++ for steadily shipping code
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GWG snarfed, I have to -- myself for shipping something I'm not happy with, but ++ myself for not letting that stop me, I suppose.
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acegiak huh. loqi doesn't record karma from slack
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@shoooooooonya RT @prabath: IndieAuth : https://indieauth.com/ #iiw20 (twitter.com/_/status/585653349896302595)
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snarfed kylewm: oh boy oh boy can't wait to debug and parse and construct more fb ids!
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snarfed :(
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kylewm snarfed: it looks like you've basically already done all the work though, we just need to strip out the colons and the osterbergs
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kylewm agree?
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snarfed i guess
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snarfed and see if we've seen it either with or without USER_ ?
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kylewm right now it de-duplicates based on tag_uri, right?
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snarfed right now it just drops all new-style colon ids
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snarfed and we can change that to look for dupes, but i'm hesitating now since every single colon id so far has been a dupe :P
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kylewm oh, you think maybe better to just leave it ignoring them?
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snarfed who knows
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kylewm that's fine with me
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snarfed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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snarfed we'll eventually see a non-dupe and need to actually support it
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snarfed but meh
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@Aaronvsand RT @prabath: IndieAuth : https://indieauth.com/ #iiw20 (twitter.com/_/status/585658281303113729)
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kylewm aaronpk: this cuts off too soon, but gives you an idea how Quill looks in the firefox social API thing, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/quill-firefox-social-api.gif
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aaronpk oh wow!
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gRegor` "aDORA" *pun police cuts video feed*
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kylewm hahahaha
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kylewm https://kylewm.com/test/quill-firefox/
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@idworkshop RT @idcoach: #iiw @kevinmarks Indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/ people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’. (twitter.com/_/status/585668944545062912)
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@windley RT @idcoach: #iiw @kevinmarks Indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/ people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’. (twitter.com/_/status/585668944566083586)
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tantek who was it that was questioning the tagline? of "people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’." ? ^^^
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cweiske kylewm, so it's phubb that's slow
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Loqi cweiske: kylewm left you a message on 4/7 at 10:11am: here's a video of the log from woodwind on the left, and new posts coming in on the right. it prints "received PuSH notification" right away when it gets the ping https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/not-quite-realtime.webm http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-07/line/1428426685311
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cweiske I've gotta add logging to phubb
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cweiske with timing information
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cweiske or simply start 3 workers
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cweiske doesn't help
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@jordan_web Own you own data, A guide to getting you on the IndieWeb - http://http://t.co/16BbOHxs27 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/585715003971469312)
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@jordan_web Own your own data, A guide to getting you on the IndieWeb - http://indiewebify.me #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/585715513336139776)
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indiewebcamp
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ben_thatmustbeme if anyone is up
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pdurbin yawns, stretches
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rhiaro morning ben_thamustbeme
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rhiaro s/ben_thamustbeme/ben_thatmustbeme
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Loqi rhiaro meant to say: morning ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme how it going?
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pfefferle good morning
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GWG Good morning
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@kylewmahan if you use micropub and Firefox, try installing @aaronpk’s Quill as a Social API provider https://kylewm.com/test/quill-firefox/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/585804798789685248)
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snarfed do we not have a micropub logo? i could have sworn we did
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snarfed i don't see one on https://indiewebcamp.com/micropub or https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=micropub+logo
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bret kylewm: this social api provider for quill is super rad!
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GWG Logos are hard
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GWG I don't know how people come up with them.
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kylewm bret: I thought so! Very little work on my part, just created a json manifest that points to the right URL
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bret sounds easy enough
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GWG What do I need to do to own my bookmarks?
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aaronpk what is a bookmark?
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Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indiewebcamp.com/bookmark
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aaronpk i was using wordpress to store my bookmarks for about 4 years
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petermolnar GWG you need a black goat for start
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GWG aaronpk: I was more thinking about workflow
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petermolnar and a knife
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GWG petermolnar: I'll go down the street and get a member of the old priesthood.
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petermolnar :]
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aaronpk hmm i should link my video of my bookmark flow from that page
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petermolnar to be honest, the answer interests me as well, I'd love to integrate browser bookmarks to WP
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GWG petermolnar: Right now, I'm just dumping things in Pinboard.
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GWG Before that, I dumped them elsewhere
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GWG This is the archive of things I thought interesting
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aaronparecki.com edited /bookmark (+172) "add video of bookmark workflow" (view diff)
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snarfed i wrote up KevinMarks__'s idea for a micropub bridge service for blogger, wordpress.com, tumblr, etc: https://snarfed.org/micropub-for-hosted-blogs
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snarfed who's interested in a micropub project? :P
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tantek that sounds kind of amazing
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tantek I feel like I have to get micropub working on my own site first :P
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aaronpk that's great
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kylewm snarfed: It sounds like a fun project, but who would use it? :/
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snarfed kylewm: lol true. that's one reason i'm not doing it myself
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snarfed shades of https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy##as%20strong%20itches
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bret aaronpk: safari on ios now supports the idea of plugins, I wonder what is involved in creating a micropub reply to url button into that menu.. I think at an application at minimum
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snarfed but it sounds like KevinMarks__ would use it, so there's one
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aaronpk bret: !
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aaronpk docs?
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bret aaronpk: just using the 1password safari plugin now... sparked the idea
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bret literally have not looked into it
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GWG tantek: I had the advantage of having snarfed get micropub working on my site.
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bret aaronpk: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/General/Conceptual/ExtensibilityPG/ExtensionCreation.html maybe
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GWG Thank you, by the way, snarfed
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snarfed GWG: welcome!
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aaronpk bret: neat. there's all sorts of fun things a native app can do with the new action extension stuff
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bret Does it cost $$$ to write an use your own iOS apps?
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aaronpk you need the apple account, $99/year
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bret Wonder if I can write the app then pay
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GWG Then, if you charge for it, they get a cut.
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bret I wouldn't charge for it
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aaronpk i can't remember if you can download xcode and stuff without a developer account
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aaronpk pretty sure you need an account to be able to install it on your phone though
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bret Xcode is free, but yeah actually on the phone...
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bret I wonder what it would take to wrap a node app as a native app
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bengo @bret have you seen: https://cordova.apache.org/
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KevinMarks anyone looked at amazon cognito or Login with amazon?
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@leafagdata @leafagdata No matter the weather, when you work, leaf works. #ownyourdata #futurefarming https://twitter.com/leafagdata/status/585864223462330368/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/585864223462330368)
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@svgur_com #indieweb @kevinmarks: creating tweets rapidly by typing in a box for each speaker is a good idea, if your tweet gets too long it turns red (twitter.com/_/status/585864950071042048)
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tantek what is cognito?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cognito" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=cognito&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-08%2Fline%2F1428516105753
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tantek what is cordova?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cordova" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=cordova&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-08%2Fline%2F1428516111578
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tantek what is xcode?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "xcode" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=xcode&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-08%2Fline%2F1428516117979
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KevinMarks what is phonegap?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "phonegap" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=phonegap&summary=prompted+by+KevinMarks+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-08%2Fline%2F1428516194527
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KevinMarks cognito is amazon's ID in the cloud silo that supports a nascar login of openid connect and stores data for mobile apps.
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loqi.me created /cognito (+147) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-08/line/1428516105753 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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bret !tell bengo no I'll check it out
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor` Oh hey, logged out of indiewebcamp.com for the first time in ages.
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gRegor` Odd
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snarfed KevinMarks: i don't think that's quite right
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snarfed from http://aws.amazon.com/cognito/ : "Amazon Cognito is a service that makes it easy to save user data, such as app preferences or game state, in the AWS Cloud without writing any backend code or managing any infrastructure."
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snarfed i think their login service is different
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gRegor` Montreal hasn't had an HWC in a while, have they? Think I'll comment that out of the homepage. (None listed this week, at least.)
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tantek gRegor - can you add Montreal to the main /HWC page, perhaps linking to a few they did have and listing who has organized it in the past?
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snarfed KevinMarks: never mind, your description is good enough
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KevinMarks yeah, login with amazon is not connected to AWS, but lets you use amazon id and payment on your website
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gregorlove.com edited /Main_Page (+0) "/* Homebrew Website Club */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks conway's law
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gRegor` Is PDX HWC happening tonight?
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aaronpk I can't do it, there's another event at the office and I will be coming out of a dentist appt just before
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gRegor` K. Just noticed it's listed as TBD
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aaronpk iirc mozpdx is alreay booked too
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gregorlove.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+60) "/* Established Meetings */ +Minneapolis, Montreal" (view diff)
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gRegor` I think Robin Millette organized Montreal HWC, correct?
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gRegor` Based on RSVP list
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gregorlove.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+93) "/* Established Meetings */ Montreal" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+79) "/* Established Meetings */ Minneapolis, not sure who organizer(s) are" (view diff)
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gRegor` tantek: Who organized Minneapolis? ^
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@kevinmarks #iiw I just found out I have a profile page on amazon - who knew? http://www.amazon.com/gp/profile/A1HQ8RPOW0PRZ3 find yours at http://www.amazon.com/gp/profile/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/585872066131275777)
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tantek gRegor`: Nicole Tollefson
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gRegor` Montreal appears to only have one meeting, unless they've not been adding them to the wiki
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gRegor` Still fine to put under "Established" though?
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gRegor` May not be worth differentiating
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tantek yes I think so
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gRegor` London had one or two, I think
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tantek gRegor`: note that I moved MPLS to "Past Meetings"
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tantek since organizer moved
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gregorlove.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+46) "/* Established Meetings */ Minneapolis organizer" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: wormhole tonight right?
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gRegor` Oh, oops. Will fix.
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Yep!
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KartikPrabhu cool
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tantek perhaps we should distinguish between "Regularly meeting (every 2 weeks)" and "On demand" ?
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gregorlove.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+44) "/* Up-and-coming Meetings */ link event" (view diff)
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tantek trying to think of some way to communicate to people that they can depend on every two weeks
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tantek vs. they should help make a(nother) meeting happen
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tantek thoughts?
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gRegor` Yeah, that'd be a good idea.
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gRegor` thinking
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tantek from the perspective of someone visiting this page and wanting to know what cities are active
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tantek dependably active, vs. semi-active
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tantek vs. getting started
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tantek like Up and coming
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gRegor` Perhaps up-and-coming could become the semi-active section, with a sentence explaining that. And make the existing section an interested-in-starting section?
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tantek trying to distinguish cities that have organizers that have made an event happen already vs. those that don't
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tantek or rather vs. those that have organizer *interest* but no meetups yet (so anyone can / should step up and make one happen)
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gRegor` Yeah. Not sure.
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tantek basically, trying to pick headings that encourage stepping up to participate
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tantek in whatever way is the most possible / helpful
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gRegor` "HWC wants *YOU*" :)
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tantek basically
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tantek ok here goes an attempt
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gRegor` Maybe: == Help expand HWC == Join these meetings that are getting started . . . == Start a Meeting == Interested in starting a meeting in your city...
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gRegor` s/expand HWC/expand a meeting/
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Loqi gRegor` meant to say: Maybe: == Help expand a meeting == Join these meetings that are getting started . . . == Start a Meeting == Interested in starting a meeting in your city...
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GWG I'm wondering about the time difference
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gRegor` GWG: They don't have to be synchronized
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gRegor` Chicago HWC first met 364 days ago
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KartikPrabhu oh so almost exactly a year!
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KartikPrabhu neat
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gRegor` We should get it a cake or something.
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Loqi +1
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KartikPrabhu hmmm haha
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Loqi hahahaha
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gRegor` Looks good, tantek
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rhiaro I spent today organising tomorrow's conference and hosting/attending various talks, and still found time to #ownmylikes #ownmybookmarks and #ownmyresposts ^^ I think I have an #indieweb problem
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rhiaro rhiaro.co.uk/likes rhiaro.co.uk/shares rhiaro.co.uk/bookmarks
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@kevinmarks An idea for expanding micropub to hosted blogs, written up by @schnarfed https://snarfed.org/micropub-for-hosted-blogs #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/585891051342204928)
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tantek rhiaro: sounds more like you built yourself an indieweb solution :D
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tantek except for that whole top level object-type path thing
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tantek may want to ask aaronpk about his experience with that ;)
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rhiaro Yeah, it's not stored like that, just some rewrite rules to make them easy to find :)
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tantek those are just "queries" then?
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rhiaro yeah
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rhiaro you know I'm a graph kinda person
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rhiaro definitely no hierarchies
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tantek perhaps consider hyperlink the datestamps to permalinks?
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tantek e.g. "7th April 2015, 15:39"
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rhiaro oh damn, thought it was
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rhiaro actually the 'content' which in this case is the link links to the permalink
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rhiaro I'll fix that
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rhiaro It's a hangover from the list template for posts with headings
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tantek huh - the link itself being liked should likely link to that URL ;)
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rhiaro yeah I know
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rhiaro oh I also did /notes and /articles since that seems to be all the rage
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rhiaro though I don't call them that. Really I just have posts with headings and posts without headings
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tantek makes sense
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rhiaro so now I need to implement delete so I can get rid of all the test posts
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rhiaro s/now/at the weekend
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Loqi rhiaro meant to say: so at the weekend I need to implement delete so I can get rid of all the test posts
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rhiaro So is the problem with explicit posts types mostly with having them in urls?
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rhiaro example.com/type/uuid
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rhiaro which makes it hard for them to have more than one type?
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rhiaro or is there something more?
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rhiaro I do store post types, but they can have more than one
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tantek problem is they're not actually based on good ux
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tantek programmers like dividing things into types
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tantek users, not so much
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rhiaro Well, we like to have different icons for different 'types'
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tantek explicit post/object types are architecture-centric design, rather than user-centric design
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tantek do we?
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tantek where?
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rhiaro evidence so far suggests
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rhiaro hang on
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rhiaro will find urls
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tantek I think that's changing too
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tantek e.g. sites that used to have a big long list of "types" of posts to create end up reducing the list
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tantek or getting rid of it
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tantek so that's legacy UI
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tantek modern UIs (e.g. Twitter) just have a post that you can add stuff to. images, video, links etc.
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tantek location
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rhiaro I'm sure I didn't imagine this
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rhiaro I mean for likes, reposts
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rhiaro there's usually a big star or a <3 or something
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rhiaro suddenly I can't find an indieweb site doing this, maybe I imagined it
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rhiaro but for posts which *have* likes and reposts there are icons
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tantek those are /webaction buttons
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tantek for *responses*
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tantek very different than a /create a new post UI
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rhiaro for image, video etc I would definitely not type them
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rhiaro a response is still a post, and when there's a button saying "create a like post" or "create a repost post" that implies typing to me. I guess it's just a shortcut?
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rhiaro Or when there's "<3 5" below a post, that suggests "there are 5 like posts in response to this post"
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KartikPrabhu i have "articles" and "notes" in the URL, but it is because of posting frequency and length of posts
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tantek here are some icons for you :) http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Kinds_of_Posts
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ben_thatmustbeme so moved on from tags now
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tantek KartikPrabhu: and storage differences :P
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KartikPrabhu yes
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KartikPrabhu but I don't intend to make more fine grained post type urls
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tantek rhiaro: s/create a like post/like
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tantek rhiaro: s/create a repost post/repost
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rhiaro isn't like == create a like post ?
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rhiaro since we don't have verbs
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tantek why use four words when one will do? (in a UI)
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rhiaro sure, display it however, but what is happening is a like post is being created
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tantek no, not "however" - but the whole focus!
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tantek "display it how" == user-centric foucs
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tantek "a like post is being created" == plumbing-centric focus
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rhiaro so why hasn't that UI resulted in verbs?
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rhiaro I'm just trying to describe what is already happening
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tantek we are describing the same thing with different framing / focus
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tantek it has resulted in verbs of a sort - /webactions
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tantek but those are very constrained - to cross-site interactions
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rhiaro so from a user point of view, is it useful to be able to filter out all of my likes?
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rhiaro (banality aside)
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tantek rewrite that question as a positive framing
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tantek is it useful to be able to filter in a subset of your posts?
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rhiaro okay?
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tantek try it and find out!
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rhiaro We'll I'd say yes
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rhiaro and as a result, have a some post types
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rhiaro (bearing in mind a post can still have more than one type)
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tantek as a side-effect, not as a central point of design or data model
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tantek that's the point
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rhiaro I don't understand
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rhiaro Oh wait, maybe I do
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rhiaro I thought you were saying there should be no post types, but you just wanted me to rationalise it differently?
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tantek no *explicit* post types
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rhiaro so post types are implied by properties of the post?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Inferring_post_kinds_from_properties
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rhiaro I infer some post types on the way *in* to the store, so I should probably tidy that up
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GWG tantek: Doesn't that make it hard on the post UI to infer?
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rhiaro I infer some display stuff from just tags, which yeah, does result in some messy looking templates, but there are probably more elegant ways of doing it than I've managed
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GWG rhiaro: Some display stuff yes, but all seems hard to me.
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cweiske !tell aaronpk, does switchboard require people to register to use it?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rhiaro GWG: my templates are largely a tangled mess of php, I should probably not use them as examples for anything
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GWG rhiaro: They may be nicer than my tangled mess of php
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GWG I have 32718 bookmarks in Pinboard.
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GWG I need a plan for them
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gRegor` What is Pinboard?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Pinboard" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Pinboard&summary=prompted+by+gRegor%60+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-08%2Fline%2F1428526609668
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gRegor` Pinboard is http://pinboard.in/
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Loqi ok
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gRegor` Tumblr lets you add multiple contributors, but only to secondary blogs. Your first tumblr blog can only be one author. Lame.
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KevinMarks what is drupal
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Loqi Drupal is an open source content management system https://indiewebcamp.com/Drupal
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GWG Still trying to solve this bookmark problem
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GWG Maybe I just need to solve the problem for 'new' bookmarks and table the issue of 'old' bookmarks.
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tantek GWG, good way to split the problem into more easily solved chunks
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GWG tantek: 32,000 old bookmarks seems very overwhelming.
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tantek indeed
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GWG I need to recreate the read later type functionality.
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tantek !tell rhiaro if you're inferring post types on the way *in* to storage, what happens when you edit/update a post, like add a photo to it - do you then change the type too? Do you re-infer? Not sure explicit post types in storage works.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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tantek !tell gRegor` is http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-08/line/1428527064928 worth adding to /Tumblr#Criticism ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rhiaro !tell tantek: I only do post types for likes, shares and reposts, I already said I'm definitely against types based on content - this is more types based on intent. But im rethinking now anyway
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Loqi rhiaro: tantek left you a message 17 minutes ago: if you're inferring post types on the way *in* to storage, what happens when you edit/update a post, like add a photo to it - do you then change the type too? Do you re-infer? Not sure explicit post types in storage works. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-08/line/1428531822689
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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bengo Totally agree with @tantek's last advice there.
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Loqi bengo: bret left you a message 5 hours, 4 minutes ago: no I'll check it out http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-08/line/1428516507851
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bengo Relevant: 'storage schemas' vs 'predicate schemas' http://martinfowler.com/articles/schemaless/#storage
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gRegor-hwc For the custom indiewebcamp.css, perhaps it should be included sans scheme so there won't be a security warning on https https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/redesign#Contribute_to_the_Redesign
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gRegor-hwc Though I see there's other http:// images included in the Teahouse template I'm using, so low priority
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rhiaro bengo: I store in a triplestore, so on board with that
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gRegor-hwc1 Wow, did not know about tumblr blocking bloglovin
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gRegor-hwc1 What is bloglovin?
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Loqi Bloglovin is a web-based feed reader https://indiewebcamp.com/Bloglovin
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