#indiewebcamp 2015-04-14

2015-04-14 UTC
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bengo Thoughts on this? Chromium and Firefox teams have both expressed an interest in having the browsers complain louder when you're visiting a site over HTTP and not HTTPS. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/xaGffxAM-hs
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bengo Was one of the things I had in mind yesterday when doing https://github.com/gobengo/indieweb/pull/2
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snarfed bengo: if you're thinking about this as an (indieweb) publisher, you might like https://hstspreload.appspot.com/
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bengo snarfed ooh that's interesting. Cool.
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bengo snarfed what is your domain?
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Loqi A personal domain is a domain name that you personally own, control, and use to represent yourself on the internet https://indiewebcamp.com/your_domain
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bengo ah, .org not .com
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snarfed :P
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bengo TBH I would really like to make http://bengo.is/ https-only, but have to learn the steps to do it all.
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snarfed https://indiewebcamp.com/https is pretty comprehensive
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tantek salmon was too hard to implement and definitely provided inspiration for trying again with simpler building blocks
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tantek salmon also failed creator selfdogfood
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kylewm I thought status.net used salmon?
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kylewm gets the feeling this has been discussed before here
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tantek what is salmon?
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Loqi Salmon is a 2010-era feed-based protocol for sending comment notifications that is part of the OStatus stack https://indiewebcamp.com/Salmon
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tantek kylewm: that sounds right
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kylewm found a discussion where barnaby tried to implement salmon to integrate with statusnet but had to give up
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tantek.com edited /Salmon (+241) "note superseded by webmention, past examples, statusnet" (view diff)
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kylewm "barnabywalters it's essentially xmlrpc with public key verification"
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kylewm lol, it is somewhat depressing reading these references in the IRC logs reverse-chronologically ... barnaby gets more and more enthusiastic the farther back i go
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tantek kind of like the US Space Program?
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tantek.com edited /Salmon (+499) "criticism, too difficult to implement, add self and barnabywalters" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: can you add citations to https://indiewebcamp.com/Salmon#Too_Difficult_To_Implement ? Thanks.
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kylewm :[
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kylewm.com edited /Salmon (+702) "/* Too Difficult To Implement */ add details to entry for barnaby" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /Salmon (-5) "/* Too Difficult To Implement */ remove linebreaks for better indentation." (view diff)
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tantek yeah that sounds sadly familiar
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bengo Some good tin foil hats wrt my HTTPS-only messages earlier: https://github.com/nylira/prism-break/issues/233#issuecomment-20551794
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kylewm 🎶 cannot remember if I let StartSSL generate my private key or not 🎶
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bengo Has anyone heard of Syndie? http://syndie.i2p2.de/index.html A name that rhymes!
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bengo Really this whole list is pretty neat https://prism-break.org/en/categories/servers/
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fiatjaf thank you, bengo
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bengo Found this on there 'sot', which looks to be like a decentralized messaging protocol. It's JSON-based, meaning they could probably benefit from a standardized serialization format: https://zothub.com/help/Zot---A-High-Level-Overview . It looks like it's currently using some sort of activity like thing. { verb: 'post', ... }
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bengo Pretty active project since 2012 (12k commits). Crazy. https://github.com/redmatrix/redmatrix
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kylewm I believe RedMatrix is built by the same guy as Friendica
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kylewm (and that carries some clout with me because friendica actually does bridge multiple networks)
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bengo kylewm from what I saw wrt github usernames, I think that's right (Friendica)
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kylewm oh snap, I got ownyourgram to post to tumblr ... not sure yet if that is something to be proud of http://kylemahan.tumblr.com/post/116360920312/homemade-vegan-banana-walnut-waffles
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kylewm a very circuitous route to PESETAS
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snarfed kylewm: wooo!!! end to end!
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snarfed congrats!
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snarfed love the tagline. "Pretty much just here for testing indieweb integrations with tumblr"
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kylewm :D
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kylewm hehe thanks
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kylewm my test posts are somewhat comical.... lots of "This is a photo upload" with no photo
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@iamkarrencooper 130415: My caloric goal vs total. #OwnYourData #KeepTrack #CoachKarren https://instagram.com/p/1cYaLhKO9S/ (twitter.com/_/status/587848493877739520)
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aaronpk kylewm: whoa
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acegiak Dear youtube: why not embed a player in your rss feeds?
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KevinMarks_ !tell acegiak do the youtube feeds work in unmung.com ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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siebennull.com edited /2015/Germany/Guest_List (+291) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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@MadeMyDay I will attend the IndieWebCamp Germany 2015 \o/ http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Germany (twitter.com/_/status/587894696162230272)
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bengo https://twitter.com/bengo/status/587888816993632257
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@bengo I am my own Certificate Authority. Do you trust me more than e.g. GoDaddy? Tell your browser. https://bengo.is https://twitter.com/bengo/status/587888816993632257/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/587888816993632257)
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@MadeMyDay Musste ja nur ein Ligaspiel verlegen dafür :D #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/587894945996021760)
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bengo Unfortunately I don't think indiecert works if your HTTPS uses self-signed certs :(
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cweiske no, it does not
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pfefferle good morning
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KevinMarks_ posts to tumblr form Quill using feverdream
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bengo cweiske why not?
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bengo https://github.com/fkooman/indiecert/issues/11
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cweiske because it verifies the certificates against its internal list of official CAs
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petermolnar heads up, indieweb: https://letsencrypt.org/getinvolved/
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bengo I figured. I'm interested in whether it really HAS to have a whitelist to be useful
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bengo petermolnar cool
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cweiske MITM-attacks
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bengo I see
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bengo It seems like if I'm telling indiecert what my domain is, that domain is protected via HTTPS with a Cert signed by key A. If I can use the same key A for signing something when I logging in with indiecert, shouldn't I be trusted?
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bengo esp if my site also has a fingerprint of the same cert (signed by key A, which I've just proven I have)
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cweiske hm.
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cweiske that's a point
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cweiske fkooman isn't here to discuss this
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cweiske but I think you've got a good idea
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bengo cweiske Thanks for the advice. I'm hardly an expert in this. We'll see what fkooman says on that gh issue
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bengo It appears based on other pulls that the main indiecert deployment is just using the host OS's trusted CAs. I suppose I'm proposing to either allow for an explicit whitelist that can be peer-reviewed in the source code, or just for his cURL requests to use the insecure flag, but verify via fingerprint
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bengo *his meaning indiecert's
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@diplix webmention.io (http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7577/1/6/) https://twitter.com/diplix/status/587931699817742337/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/587931699817742337)
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Loqi [mention] http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7577/1/6/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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@wirresnet [artikel] webmention.io http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7577/1/49/ (twitter.com/_/status/587933185910112256)
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@pfefferle RT @diplix: webmention.io (http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7577/1/6/) https://twitter.com/diplix/status/587931699817742337/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/587944359049433088)
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@andkjaer Cuckuu Turns Alarms into Social Experiences on Mobile >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=618332&utm_content=buffer8bbbc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Brandy Shaul. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/587974363732955137)
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tommorris so, I kinda added webmentions support (very much in beta) just for likes: https://tommorris.org/posts/9247
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tommorris comments soon too...
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ben_thatmustbeme tommorris++
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Loqi tommorris has 73 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme nice
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snarfed tommorris++
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Loqi tommorris has 74 karma
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tommorris there's some things I'll want to add at some point: blocking, for one.
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kylewm GWG: hey wordpress question for you... if you were posting a photo, would you use Post Format = Image, and what would the title/content of the post be?
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning
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tantek tommorris++ nicely done with showing likes! what design considerations did you have in terms of name vs icon (e.g. facepile) etc.?
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tommorris tantek: I'm not sure yet. Need to doodle in my notebook some more. I am in the process of rebuilding Ferocity to be less hacky, but wanted to hack in likes to see how to make the next version of ferocity less crap. ;-)
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tantek new features are a good way to instigate re-architecting for less hackiness ;)
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tantek rhiaro: I think you may be confusing mentions and tags in your second example https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag#rhiaro
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tantek as the Twitter analogy you draw is just a mention, not a "tagging"
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tantek you can (should) still send webmentions for "just" mentions, and thus you get the Twitter "start a new thread" functionality
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tantek person-tagging is for when someone is part of the *subject* of a post, e.g. the post is about them (whether text or a photo of them)
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rhiaro tantek: okay, that makes sense, just overthinking I guess
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Loqi rhiaro: tantek left you a message 1 day, 9 hours ago: the examples of "that I probably don't need to create a post for." are all things that actually make sense as explicit posts with their own permalinks that you can update or delete! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-12/line/1428904221618
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Loqi rhiaro: tantek left you a message 1 day, 9 hours ago: " this presents another point for confusion: when do I like a post, and when do I like the fact you published it" <-- precisely why separate Activities vs. Objects is *bad* (confusing) for the user model, thus bad overall and to be avoided. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-12/line/1428904302766
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tantek heh
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rhiaro tantek: more on post types later..
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rhiaro back in 15
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tantek k
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winghouchan Howdy everyone! Is anyone here based in or around London, UK?
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winghouchan I'm trying to recruit volunteers to help kids code :)
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winghouchan Email me if you're interested: wing-hou.chan@escalla.me
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tommorris winghouchan: I am in the UK.
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tantek winghouchan - welcome! what's your personal site?
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winghouchan I'm finishing work so will be on the move
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winghouchan winghouchan.co.uk
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tantek great!
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winghouchan tanek: Thanks!
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tantek are you helping kids code their own websites?
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winghouchan tantek: Thanks!
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tantek because that would be amazing!
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winghouchan Can we talk via email, Skype, WhatsApp, etc? Or later
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tantek better here
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winghouchan I'm finishing work now so am on the move
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winghouchan IRC on Android isn't that good xD
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tantek no problem - come back whenever it's convenient for you!
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winghouchan Okay cool!
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winghouchan Cheers
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tantek and feel free to lurk with indiewebcamp.com/irc/today
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winghouchan Cheers!
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tantek with some minor changes you can add some good indieweb support to your homnepage winghouchan
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davemenninger.com created /User:Davemenninger.com (+89) "Created page with "Just getting started with IndieWeb. ( 2014/2015 ) My site is: http://davemenninger.com/"" (view diff)
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tantek welcome davemenninger! and thanks for adding yourself to the HWC page!
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davemenninger tantek: thanks!
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gRegor` Nice icon, davemenninger. Makes me think of the Pit Stop game.
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davemenninger gRegor`: thanks
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davemenninger at some point many years ago, i got tired of constantly having to find up-to-date square-cropped images of myself, so i made a pixel-art logo to use instead
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gRegor` Does your website ever say "Sorry, I can't let you do that Dave"? :)
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davemenninger :)
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gRegor` tantek: I guess I should move Chicago HWC to "Getting Started" section since it's technically on hiatus, until another person expresses interest?
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tantek is it over?
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gRegor` Yep, Kartik and I cannot meet on the 22nd.
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tantek should Getting Started be renamed to Getting (Re)Started?
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gRegor` That could work
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tantek Getting Started or Restarting
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tommorris woop.
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winghouchan Howdy everyone!
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tommorris hey again
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tantek welcome back winghouchan
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winghouchan tantek, tommorris: Hey again!
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winghouchan tantek: Cheers!
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winghouchan tommorris: Hey!
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tantek was just saying - if you want to add indieauth support to your personal site, you can add rel=me to your links to your other profiles / email etc.
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tantek on your home page
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winghouchan tantek: Okay, cheers!
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tantek winghouchan: here are some complete examples that may help explain further http://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain
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winghouchan tantek: Thanks!
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winghouchan Soo to answer your question tantek, yes I am!
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tantek you're welcome! and that's great news!
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winghouchan We're not focusing on websites only, just general programming, digital design and hardware hacking.
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winghouchan tommorris: Whereabouts in the UK are you?
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tantek even if it's just a part of what you get them to learn, that's still great
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winghouchan Ya it is!
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tommorris winghouchan: central london
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tantek so they don't just assume that they have to all use Twitter/Facebook/Instagram etc.
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winghouchan tommorris: Sweet!
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winghouchan tantek: Haha true
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tommorris winghouchan: what relationship does what you are doing have to CodeClub?
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rhiaro hey winghouchan, you do YRSHyperlocal?
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winghouchan tommorris: Me, none
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petermolnar by the way, tantek, have you read this one? https://medium.com/backchannel/a-teenagers-view-on-social-media-1df945c09ac6 especially the part about Medium.com
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winghouchan rhiaro: Ya I do!
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winghouchan rhiaro: How did you know? xD :P
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rhiaro winghouchan: I found your twitter :p I run a centre in Edinburgh
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tantek petermolnar: yes a while back when it came out
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winghouchan rhiaro: Sweet!
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rhiaro winghouchan: prewired.org
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petermolnar I'd wonder what could be powerful enough to offer from the indieweb direction that would give similar experience as medium.com does
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winghouchan rhiaro: YRS were looking for a centre up there! Glad you stepped in!
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rhiaro We've been running it for a few years now
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winghouchan rhiaro: Ohhh sweet!
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petermolnar winghouchan, Cambridge, UK here :)
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winghouchan tommorris: I've no relationship with CodeClub
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winghouchan tommorris: But I'm a centre lead for Young Rewired State Westminster
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tantek petermolnar: see the follow-up: https://medium.com/backchannel/what-teens-really-think-about-youtube-google-reddit-and-other-social-media-a7263924a506
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winghouchan petermolnar: Nice! Not sure if there's a YRS Hyperlocal there but you can set one up!
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tantek hahahaha: "I personally do not know anyone who actively uses Google+."
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tantek "I personally abandoned the service because I found it difficult and tiring to categorize every single person into different “circles” and then keep track of all of those groups."
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tantek so much for all that socio-academic "circles" jerking around
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winghouchan rhiaro: What's your twitter?
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tommorris circles on G+ is just a fancy UI for what a lot of people do on Facebook with setting up lists.
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rhiaro winghouchan: rhiaro, everywhere
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winghouchan rhiaro: Wanna follow :)
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winghouchan rhiaro: Okei dokei :)
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tommorris I have a 'Wikipedians' list on Facebook so I don't spam non-Wikipedia friends with stuff that's not of interest to them.
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tantek winghouchan: the right question to ask is, what's your personal website? which then links to the silo profiles (like Twitter) ;)
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petermolnar tantek I've read that one as well, but I'm still thinking how the mentioned medium.com social experience could be done with indie sites; we used to have webrings an awful long time ago, is there anything similar nowadays?
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tantek the point about "Recommend" in the Medium UI caught my eye
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tantek I'd suggest coming up with an indie version of that before any reminiscent stuff ;)
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tantek on Ello: "By the time I actually gained access to the website, however, everyone I know had already moved on and there wasn't really anything interesting for me on there."
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petermolnar that's what I'm trying to do, but I need the brainstorm, because I cannot figure it out on my own
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tantek when you're not sure, then do less. e.g. how closely can you mimic the "Recommend" feature?
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tommorris petermolnar: I find the whole medium "channels"/"magazines" thing pretty arbitrary. like I heard an interview with someone who was identified as being a staff writer for Matter, a channel on Medium. it's trying to recreate in digital land the idea of a publication or curatorship, but I just get feeds from Medium of people I care about regardless of which
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tommorris arbitrary publication they write for.
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tantek petermolnar: perhaps start with documenting ti
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tantek s/ ti/ it
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Loqi tantek meant to say: petermolnar: perhaps start with documenting it
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tantek what is Recommend?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Recommend" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Recommend&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-14%2Fline%2F1429028002931
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tommorris there's plenty of stuff that's interesting about medium that would be worth documenting
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tantek tommorris: the context is what feature of medium a 19 year old said made it interesting
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tantek what is medium
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Loqi Medium is an article hosting silo https://indiewebcamp.com/Medium
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petermolnar recommend could technically be done with webmentions as send recommendation, but where to show/list/group the recommended things?
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tantek tommorris: feel free to add some of that "plenty of stuff that's interesting" to https://indiewebcamp.com/Medium#Features
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tantek petermolnar: start with documenting how /recommend works before brainstorming how it could be done
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winghouchan Complete internet failure here >.<
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winghouchan I'm back now
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winghouchan :D
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winghouchan Lemme catch up on what I missed first
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tantek looks at topic
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winghouchan tantek: It was an unfortunate coincidence when I mentioned bad signal in the countryside, my internet completely failed xD
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winghouchan Anyway
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winghouchan Now I can't remember what I was going to say / do xD
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winghouchan >.<
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tantek that's why we have logs :D
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winghouchan :D (y)
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tantek winghouchan: here you go, context restored for you http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-14#t1429027252887 :)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tom Morris RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/807045706055031#515689893880)
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winghouchan I've already read it -- Too fast for you :P
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tantek winghouchan: excellent! did you try the rel=me validator at indiewebify.me ?
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winghouchan Not yet
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winghouchan I'm on the train trying to do too many things xD
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winghouchan Welp my phone battery is dying. Got to go
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winghouchan See everyone later!
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kylewm micropub to tumblr and wordpress support are up on https://feverdream.herokuapp.com/
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kylewm blogger is waiting on manual access to their api
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aaronpk omg wow
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aaronpk kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 153 karma
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kylewm thanks!
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snarfed woo!!!
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snarfed kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 154 karma
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snarfed that was fast!
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kylewm I could particularly use help testing custom domains
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kylewm if anybody has one for those sites
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kylewm I'm guessing it Just Won't Work
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kylewm :)
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snarfed lol
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dariusdunlap That’s awesome!
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dariusdunlap kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 155 karma
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dariusdunlap On Wordpress.com, all “Custom Domains” also have a mydomain.wordpress.com URL to acccess, btw.
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dariusdunlap Does that make any difference?
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@NorthCreekSoft Then find cheap glue to integrate them! @zapier @IFTTT @geckoboard No need to tear everything down #ownyourdata https://twitter.com/emyth/status/588029541349773312 (twitter.com/_/status/588030074923917313)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, good idea, i take it you are using the value from the token
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: it's the client_id used during authorization
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, thats what i meant
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ben_thatmustbeme i have have to do that too
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tantek I really want nested <time> elements instead of the value class pattern
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tantek to reduce the DRY violation of having to use the datetime attribute of <time>
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tantek as in <time><time>2015-04-14</time> at <time>13:00</time> <time datetime="-0700">US/Pacific</time></time>
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tantek instead of <time datetime="2015-04-14T13:00-0700">2015-04-14 at 13:00 US/Pacific</time>
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aaronpk speaking of <time> we still need an updated h-event to iCal converter right?
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aaronpk it'd be pretty great to get the indiewebcamp events page into my phone's calendar app
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tantek aaronpk indeed
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tantek let's start backwards
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tantek what calendar app are you using?
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aaronpk iOS system calendar and Google Calendar
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tantek uh
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tantek you check two calendar apps?
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tantek and is it really called "iOS system calendar" ?!?
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tantek from an indieweb perspective, the real question is how do we aggregate all the events we're interested in onto our own *sites* (nevermind someone else's app)
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tantek and then POSSE it out to where ever we want notifications / mobile etc.
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tantek aaronpk do you have an aaronparecki.com/calendar where it aggregates all your RSVPs and Events?
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tantek and then displays them as a calendar?
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tantek mobile friendly even? ;)
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tantek (just saying)
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tantek then your mobile calendar "app" could just be a homescreen bookmark of aaronparecki.com/calendar
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rhiaro is itching for the personal site calendar thing
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: that would be interesting indeed. Been working on contacts first
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tantek what are rhiaro's itches?
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rhiaro waits for loqi
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Loqi who, me?
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tantek hmm - I think Loqi ignores the apostrophe terms
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rhiaro what is rhiaro.co.uk
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rhiaro.co.uk" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=rhiaro.co.uk&summary=prompted+by+rhiaro+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-14%2Fline%2F1429038581945
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tantek that's too bad - probably an escaping problem
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aaronpk i don't think i can not use google calendar
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rhiaro what is User:rhiaro.co.uk
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "User:rhiaro.co.uk" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=User%3Arhiaro.co.uk&summary=prompted+by+rhiaro+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-14%2Fline%2F1429038590306
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tantek what
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rhiaro what is User:Rhiaro.co.uk
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "User:Rhiaro.co.uk" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=User%3ARhiaro.co.uk&summary=prompted+by+rhiaro+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-14%2Fline%2F1429038599880
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aaronpk i use the ios calendar mostly for esri stuf since it's an exchange server behind it
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aaronpk but it's nice having things there cause then it's integrated with ios
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tantek so loqi dislikes apostrophes
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tantek what are rhiaros itches
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rhiaros itches" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=rhiaros+itches&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-14%2Fline%2F1429038652367
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tantek rhiaros itches is /User:Rhiaro.co.uk#Itches
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Loqi ok
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rhiaro aaronpk: i'm totally reliant on gcal at the moment, but andrei sambra has made a really nice looking linked data based clone. I just need to fix/tweak a few things, then I'm hoping I can just use that with my blog event/rsvp posts which are already available as rdf
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tantek funny to hear you both say how reliant you are on gcal or " can not [sic] use google calendar"
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GWG Kylewm, I stopped using post formats, but the title and caption would often match
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tantek since I don't use it at all except to reserve the room space for HWC in my work calendar
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aaronpk yeah i live in it every day
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GWG I'm reliant on Google Calendar because of Android
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rhiaro I didn't use it at all, then worked at google for 3 months, and that was that
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rhiaro that's how they get you :p
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tantek I reject the confines of the default calendar grid
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aaronpk i really like the weekly grid view
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tantek time is a stream, not a grid
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KevinMarks_ that's agenda view
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aaronpk it's more convenient to be able to see mornings all next to each other
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rhiaro I don't just use it for events, I use it for time management in general
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aaronpk also i have a lot of multi-day events that span across the top of the week
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aaronpk those look terrible in stream views
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GWG I'll wait for someone to get an Indieweb version of Google Now
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rhiaro seeing time in coloured blocks helps me get a much better feel for how long I have for/between things
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tantek aaronpk - for multi day events I add them as all day events for each day
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KevinMarks_ hm, did my foursquare calendar import break?
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aaronpk i manage the airbnb rentals using the weekly view too, I don't know how I'd do that without it
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rhiaro I have a printout on my wall with days as coloured in squares to help me feel how long I have until deadlines/trips/etc, too. Without being able to see it all at once I tend to struggle to get a sense of time at all..
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tantek aaronpk - ooh a business like that with a resource that needs allocation - perhaps that's a good use-case
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aaronpk i have to make sure the cleaner is scheduled between each guest, and gcal is the only place I can see both the bookings and the cleanings
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KevinMarks_ they have a way to put appointment blocks up for booking too
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KevinMarks_ piping in other calendars is very handy
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GWG You people are much more organized than I am
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aaronpk so anyway it is unlikely I will move away from google calendar any time soon, tho if an equivalent one I could run on my server popped up I could use it
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aaronpk luckily iCal files make it easy to send meeting requests between completely separate calendar systems so it's pretty interoperable
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aaronpk the problem is google's Inbox is now trying to be smart about auto-adding things to your calendar, like flights when you get flight confirmation emails, and I would lose that moving to something non-gcal
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tantek aaronpk: the problem with google calendar is that it does not send a unique user agent when querying ics feeds, and it misunderstands robots no-crawl directives as no-subscribe
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tantek gcal subs are broken
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aaronpk i dunno if "broken" is the right word...
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@bengo FeverDream - Use MicroPub+https://quill.p3k.io/ to post to your WordPress or Tumblr. Nice @kylewmahan! https://feverdream.herokuapp.com/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/588059982815502336)
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aaronpk i have several external ical subscriptions in my gcal and it works pretty well
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tantek only because those ical subs don't mind getting pounded by google's spiders
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aaronpk yes
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tantek which not all servers (e.g. indie) can handle
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aaronpk if they supported PuSH that'd be neat
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bengo tantek: Would that proposed <time> parsing assume you had your date time constituents in the same order as the ISO string components?
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tantek no - just use the first of each it finds
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KevinMarks_ maybe becasue my foursquare calendar is 2.6 MB
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: LOL
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tantek doesn't want to check how big his foursquare calendar is
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KevinMarks_ https://foursquare.com/feeds/
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aaronpk oh man mine is 2.4mb too
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KevinMarks_ login , go there, you get it in ics
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aaronpk i didn't realize that existed so i've been importing my fsq checkins to gcal using an ifttt thingy
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KevinMarks_ i bet I can kill unmung with ti too
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KevinMarks_ ah the rss isn't the whole thing
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KevinMarks_ how should unmung show georss?
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tantek what is georss?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "georss" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=georss&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-14%2Fline%2F1429039672023
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dariusdunlap KevinMarks: Joi was looking for you over on #joiito thsi morning
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gRegor` Foursquare has a calendar?
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tantek of your past
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aaronpk well it's your checkin history in ical format
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gRegor` Ohh
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KevinMarks_ and KML format
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tantek what is KML?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "KML" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=KML&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-14%2Fline%2F1429039755255
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KevinMarks_ so you can break google earth as well as google calendar
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KevinMarks_ defers to aaronpk on KML
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tantek rhiaro: getting back to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-14/line/1429038382117 - I don't see that in /rhiaros_itches ;P
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rhiaro tantek: https://indiewebcamp.com/User:rhiaro.co.uk#Events
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rhiaro maybe not articulated very well
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tantek rhiaro: it wasn't clear at all that "my calendar" meant "my calendar on my personal site"
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tantek but rather sounded more like what aaronpk expressed it as - "my calendar app(s)"
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Loqi [mention] https://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/04/14/2/vegan posted '“I want to track food because people are always like 'what do vegans even eat?' and then I can just give them a URL.”' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Rhiaro.co.uk
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aaronpk KML is an XML format for describing geographic data created for use with Google Earth and now maintained by the Open Geospatial Consortium https://developers.google.com/kml/
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Loqi ok
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tantek remember the whole checkins vs notes with location debate?
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tantek this is an interesting point of view, substitute silo mentions for implied post types:
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tantek "It also doesn't make sense why you would use Swarm just to publish your current location when you can use Instagram to take a picture of where you are and geotag it, check-in to wherever you are on Facebook, or use location-based Tweets to let your followers know where you are."
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tantek from https://medium.com/backchannel/what-teens-really-think-about-youtube-google-reddit-and-other-social-media-a7263924a506
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KevinMarks_ instagram's PESATAS is a good example of ui
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zachdonovan what is PESATAS?
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Loqi PESETAS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate Everything To A Silo https://indiewebcamp.com/PESATAS
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kylewm either i"m crazy or tumblr changed their api responses since last night
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kylewm last night they were returning status 201 with a Location header
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kylewm now they are returning 201 with JSON body and no header
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tantek they're onto you
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kylewm haha
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kylewm !
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tantek what's interesting about that quote is it sounds like the user is saying they don't see the point of checkin posts
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tantek separate from *doing* something *realtime* at a location like posting a photo or a note
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rhiaro I didn't see the point of checkin-only posts for years
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rhiaro never got into foursquare
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tantek are /checkin posts really an "edge case" kind of thing that only "people in the technology industry really use" ?
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tantek rhiaro: when a big % of your friends do it (as it happened for me on Dodgeball), then it becomes really good for serendipitous meetups
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tantek and the old Dodgeball txting UI was so simple http://microformats.org/wiki/dodgeball-syntax that it made it very efficient to do so
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rhiaro tantek: yeah, I get it in principle now, but I never knew enough people use it
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tantek rhiaro: I'd be curious what helped you "get it in principle"
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gRegor` TIL: https://indiewebcamp.com/Google#Aaron_and_Tantek_met_via_Google_Search
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rhiaro and most people I did know to use it just checked into their house all the time
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rhiaro tantek: that rationale you just gave
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rhiaro meeting people serendipitously
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rhiaro occured to me at some point. Though I never actually made use of it
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tantek my second use-case is personal tracking where I don't mind if my friends know where I am (and almost feel implicitly connected that they do know)
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rhiaro also I've been largely trained not to talk to strangers, so it never seemed like a super good idea
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tantek like I have no expectation of anyone showing up there, but just nice to know that some friends may know where I am
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tantek third use-case: I use it sometimes for friends-only note publishing - that just happens to happen at a venue
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rhiaro personal tracking I definitely get, it was the publishing part I didn't
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tantek often times you can get a pretty personal view of "how was your day?" by checking my Swarm feed
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rhiaro so if there's a note attached with a location, it's not a checkin-only post to me
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rhiaro I just remember seeing one person syndicating foursquare to twitter, and it was a constant stream of "Alex is at home"
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tantek rhiaro: in that way, I'm repurposing the "checkin with comment" as a "friends-only note with venue"
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tantek right I don't do syndicate 4sq publicly to Twitter (at least not not accidentally :P http://indiewebcamp.com/checkins#Tantek )
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tantek rhiaro: I think people go through a "checking into home" phase
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tantek eventually you realize it's pretty sad if that's all you have to checkin to
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tantek as opposed to, checking in at home to announce hey games night is on - come on over
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aaronpk i only check in at home if there's an event there, like i'm hosting a party or something
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tantek :)
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rhiaro home -> pub -> home -> pub -> home -> pub
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tantek rhiaro: well that's transparent at least
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aaronpk same with my office
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tantek and just like tracking what you eat, maybe it will help alter your habits
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rhiaro I will probably check in to cities
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rhiaro but likely not narrow it down further
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KevinMarks_ foursquare is now sending me "people went to X next" notifications
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rhiaro without a specific reason
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KevinMarks_ which is probably cool in NYC, but I get "near starbucks? after starbucks people go to Safeway"
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tantek you can Swarm do that for you automatically - the city/neighborhood granularity
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tantek and it doesn't show up in your history
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tantek hah KevinMarks_ that is funny
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rhiaro although there is this one tea shop that if I checked in to every time I was there it would probably be noticeable
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tantek realtime checkins work better for serendipity with denser cities
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tantek outside of dense cities, there is little to no impact on serendipity
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KevinMarks_ fb survey's gender popup is Othering
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rhiaro ooh also if I publicly checked into places in London I'd definitely get responses from people offended I wasn't meeting up with them while I was around
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rhiaro because there are too many people in London and never enough time
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tantek rhiaro: the defense against that is to announce a plan when you reach London (e.g. this night here etc.) and then ask people to try to meetup on one of those if they can
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tantek turn it from your responsibility into theirs, should they feel so entitled to your presence
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rhiaro my london friends are mostly shit. They don't make effort, then complain anyway :p
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rhiaro so I alternate between them on every trip, and still don't feel like I see anyone enough
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dariusdunlap tantek: I don’t really agree about lower density serendipity. In a dense area, you might come to ignore who’s nearby. But if I see that you’re anywhere in Half Moon Bay, I might drive over to find you.
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tantek hence the defense
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KevinMarks_ yes, when I go to london I do a "pub night" or dinner
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KevinMarks_ which are often fun, 'cos people show up who should know each other
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tantek rhiaro: the announce your own firm plan strategy also is a good filter to see who cares enough to make the effort
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tantek then on subsequent trips you can make the effort with them
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rhiaro Hm. Maybe I'm projecting. I'm the only one who ever makes an effort, so maybe it's me complaining I don't see them.
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tantek what KevinMarks said also
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tantek rhiaro: that's right, you need to provide the explicit opportunity for them to make the effort
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rhiaro yeah. I'd never see anyone.
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tantek dariusdunlap: that's a good point
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aaronpk agreed on the density thing, there's a spectrum
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tantek when I see faraway 4sq friends show up in SF, I typically alter plans to intercept them
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aaronpk working downtown portland there are always people checked in somewhere around me
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rhiaro KevinMarks_: what did you mean by "fb survey's gender popup is Othering"?
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tantek What is othering?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "othering" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=othering&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-14%2Fline%2F1429041636104
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dariusdunlap I think pre-annnounced intention to be somewhere is an important variation… the KevinMarks_ pub night works best if people hear about it before it’s happening and can plan to show up.
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KevinMarks_ othering is offering gender options male/female/other, instead of a free text field, making it clear that they are for marketing purposes, not self-expression.
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Loqi ok
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tantek wow that is a good summary KevinMarks_
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rhiaro I filled in two forms today and contacted both of them about their poor gender options
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gRegor` Broader: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Othering
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rhiaro one of them was an equality and diversity survey!
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dariusdunlap regarding faraway friend… even if they really aren’t that close by. I might drive to Palo Alto or SF, or even Napa… seems like the behavior varies based no many inputs
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KevinMarks_ yes gRegor, using that term deiberately
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KevinMarks_ see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cplwtyjhgCU&t=46m25s for more on this
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gRegor` Just sharing for logs / possible expansion of the page
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gRegor` Oh yeah, I've watched that. Good talk :)
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tantek another aspect I like about checkins is that in their simplest form, they remove the cogntive load of having to come up with something to say (a note)
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tantek just, hey, I'm here at this venue right now.
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aaronpk that's the same reason I sometimes post photos with no text
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KevinMarks_ dariusdunlap: i have had that experience of going to SF to see people from out of town when they visit
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rhiaro good also if you're at a busy place and want to find out if other people have arrived yet, and whether to look for them
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tantek by making the "note" secondary as a "comment" on the checkin, it also makes it ok to just put something minimal that only makes sense in the context of the checkin
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KevinMarks_ then they move to SF and I don't see them in 2 years
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tantek like I checkin to the market and might just put a list of what I bought
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tantek without any other context
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tantek the checkin is still primary, despite there being a text bit that accompanies it
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KevinMarks_ I also checkin to places when travelling (airports, cafes etc) for future expense report tracking
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tantek the checkin makes sense without the text bit, however the text bit does not make sense without the checkin
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KevinMarks_ and it was very handy when my immigration form needed all my foreign trips for 5 years
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tantek "for future expense report tracking" sounds like a subset of "personal tracking"
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tantek whoa that *is* handy
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gRegor` I check in for the mayorships, but then 4sq/Swarm phased that out.
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dariusdunlap Joi, for one. :-)
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snarfed gRegor`: re othering, near and dear to my heart. https://snarfed.org/2013-04-02_othering
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gRegor` Stickers are still fun though
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tantek dariusdunlap: when did Joi move to SF?
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KevinMarks_ google location history used to give you a handy summary fo trips
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dariusdunlap Ha ha, KevinMarks_ - I just saw the second part of that comment. :-)
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tantek hmm the checkins page needs some updates
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dariusdunlap Sorry, tantek. Just me once again typing before I read the whole stream.
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KevinMarks_ joi moved to boston
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KevinMarks_ kinda
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dariusdunlap KevinMarks_ - you saw that Joi was looking for you earlier on #joiito? something about jibot
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gRegor` Good post, snarfed. Tangentially,I just listened to an interesting Invisibilia podcast, The Power of Categories. Pretty interesting.
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gRegor` (Ask me if it was interesting)
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snarfed gRegor`: thanks!
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tantek rhiaro: does http://indiewebcamp.com/checkin#Why cover what we just talked about with checkins? or did we come up with new things in our recent IRC discussion above?
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gRegor` snarfed: Have you updated your semantic linkbacks plugin since https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/issues/22 ? If so I'll try re-sending the wm
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rhiaro tantek: looks like everything is covered
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snarfed gRegor`: nope i haven't, sorry
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rhiaro tantek: also, if everyone you know checks in to places, you can use it to avoid people :) the anti-social web
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tantek rhiaro: that's been mentioned before! please add it! :)
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rhiaro ooh or if someone is avoiding you, you can check into somewhere else to lure them into a false sense of security, then find them
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tantek checkin chicken?
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tantek where *is* benwerd in all this?
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KevinMarks_ there was an app for that that used foursquare api
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KevinMarks_ also http://www.isscobleinthisroom.com/
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ben_thatmustbeme benwerd asked if i supported chickens
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ben_thatmustbeme i do not
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benwerd chickens do not get a lot of love in general
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KevinMarks_ soo to be a font https://twitter.com/darth/status/588074950487109633
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@darth https://twitter.com/Lana/status/588074416162136066 https://twitter.com/darth/status/588074950487109633/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/588074950487109633)
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Loqi KevinMarks_ meant to say: soon to be a font https://twitter.com/darth/status/588074950487109633
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tantek benwerd - speaking of chickens, have you seen Derek Powazek's stream of chick(en) photos?!?
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benwerd I have two answers to this
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tantek https://instagram.com/powazek/
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gRegor` snarfed: No worries. In other news, Looks like Bridgy hasn't found this reply tweet yet https://twitter.com/girlvsplanet/status/587735912303329281. Log shows my h-feed was fetched after the original post so I don't think it's the feed being cached. The post was yesterday.
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benwerd 1. I'm a little concerned that everybody now thinks I'm obsessed with chickens
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benwerd 2. Wait what where
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ben_thatmustbeme better questiion... do you want to?
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@girlvsplanet @gRegorLove @sarah5 evidence for both sides of the argument? https://twitter.com/girlvsplanet/status/587735912303329281/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/587735912303329281)
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benwerd Nice
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kylewm is Powazek like, retired?
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kylewm <-- taking myself to the off topic
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snarfed gRegor`: thanks for the report! filing
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@dissolve333 "#LRT" or "LastReTweet" is terrible UI. Twitter needs repost + comment #IndieWebCamp (btmb.me s/8k) (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/4/14/1/) (twitter.com/_/status/588077315285852160)
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ben_thatmustbeme very annoying new thing.... "#LRT"
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rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: aren't the new QTs are RT+comment?
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rhiaro which, relatedly, look awful in the android app
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ben_thatmustbeme QTs?
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rhiaro as they're just links which I am not inclined to click, so I never get the context for peoples comments
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rhiaro quote tweets
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rhiaro eg. https://twitter.com/jacksonj04/status/588077612557303809
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@jacksonj04 Bummer. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/588076749562318849 (twitter.com/_/status/588077612557303809)
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rhiaro (I just went to my timeline and there was one at the top)
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KevinMarks_ they show on the android app for me on my phone, but not on the tablet
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ben_thatmustbeme how does one quote a tweet?
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KevinMarks_ because "user interface consistency" is why twitter killed 3rd party clients
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rhiaro hit retweet, now there's a 'comment' box
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rhiaro https://twitter.com/rhiaro/status/588078022785429505
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@rhiaro Like this https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/588077315285852160 (twitter.com/_/status/588078022785429505)
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ben_thatmustbeme well then... people need to stop using LRT
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ben_thatmustbeme probably why they created it
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rhiaro yeah, it's like new as of a few days ago
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ben_thatmustbeme i still get #LRT in my feed, and it is absolutely useless
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ben_thatmustbeme knew i should have tweeted that last week
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rhiaro hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/588078857800024066
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@dissolve333 You can quote a quote tweet. hmmmm https://twitter.com/rhiaro/status/588078022785429505 (twitter.com/_/status/588078857800024066)
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ben_thatmustbeme weird
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KevinMarks_ it's not that new - the inline display of linked tweets was there before, they just made an affordance for creating them as replies
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kylewm i'm looking forward to a short story told in QTs
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rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: they're *not* replies
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rhiaro this is interesting
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KevinMarks_ they don't thread
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rhiaro yeah
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ben_thatmustbeme i didn't say they were
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rhiaro sorry I misread and should have addressed that at KevinMarks_
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ben_thatmustbeme but you can certainly abuse them as replies
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KevinMarks_ http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/rhiaro-i-see-them-on-android-phone-in-the-twitter
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ben_thatmustbeme #breaktwitter
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tantek what is an LRT?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LRT" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=LRT&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-14%2Fline%2F1429044096130
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rhiaro #subverttwitter
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gRegor` They're not replies, but show up in notifications just the same.
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KevinMarks_ not quite the same
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@nobantu Curious about #indieweb ? Check out excellent notes from @kevinmarks #IIW #IIWXX Sessions - written by @dariusdunlap http://iiw.idcommons.net/IndieWeb_Principles_%26_Protocols_to_OWN_YOUR_IDENTITY (twitter.com/_/status/588079807495307264)
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gRegor` LRT is an acronym used on Twitter meaning Last Retweet
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ben_thatmustbeme also when viewing the tweet you cannot see retweets of it
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loqi.me created /LRT (+81) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-14/line/1429044096130 and dfn added by gRegor`" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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gRegor` Huh?
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tantek you mean you cannot see quoted retweets?
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gRegor` RT of a QT you mean? (Oy, acronyms :)
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tantek yeah that's pretty busted
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gRegor` You can see your quoted tweets, yes.
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gRegor` They show up in notifications
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tantek you can see the RT facepile on QTs you wrote
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tantek but the QTs don't show up on the original
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tantek There is no "view quotes from this tweet"
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gRegor` Ah, right.
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed. its a little weird that
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tantek or "quoted by" facepile
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tantek more like half baked
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@tomwiththeweath RT @nobantu: Curious about #indieweb ? Check out excellent notes from @kevinmarks #IIW #IIWXX Sessions - written by @dariusdunlap http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/588080317820497921)
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tantek hopefully this is an example of ship early ship often
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ben_thatmustbeme also not in the analytics of the tweet either
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gRegor` As a third party, not sure I care to see QTs. As an author, it's handy.
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ben_thatmustbeme analytics for it shows no retweets
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ben_thatmustbeme and the only 1 reply (from myself)
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gRegor` Meaning if I care to see your commentary on someone's tweet, I'd rather see it as a reply
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rhiaro KevinMarks_: http://rhiaro.co.uk/stash/androidqt.jpg
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tantek gRegor`: as an author, QTs in a stream of notification is not that handy, I want to see them on the tweet permalink
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rhiaro maybe I'm due an update
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tantek maybe I'm due a sandwich
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tantek bbiab
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KevinMarks_ which client?
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: i think you are, mine shows them
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rhiaro KevinMarks_: default twitter client
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rhiaro hmm, it isn't offering me an update
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rhiaro aha, opening the play store triggered it
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rhiaro I have a backlog of updates seeking my approval, oops
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snarfed gRegor`: updated my wm plugin, feel free to resend if you want
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2015/4/14/3/ and https://ben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2015/4/14/4/
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rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: I get the notifications that way
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ben_thatmustbeme weird, you get notification of it, but not the quote view
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ben_thatmustbeme notification text must be specified by the server then
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gRegor` snarfed: Re-sent. No change, unless the page is caching (I think it was last time)
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snarfed gRegor`: huh. odd. you got a 200, right?
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gRegor` Yeah
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snarfed what's your permalink? (hard to discover notes/replies from browsing your site)
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ben_thatmustbeme need to get bridgy to support QTs too
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ben_thatmustbeme well, kind of needs twitter to show QTs i suppose
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snarfed ugh
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snarfed can i politely decline? :P
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ben_thatmustbeme of course
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snarfed kidding :P
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snarfed changes would mostly (maybe all) be in https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial
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snarfed pull requests welcome!
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gRegor` snarfed: My permalink? It's on your post, just didn't pull in the content. Might still be a semantic linkbacks bug. http://gregorlove.com/notes/2015/03/22/1/
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ben_thatmustbeme any time i see that, i am always tempted to fork, delete all, then create a pull request
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ben_thatmustbeme any time i see "pull requests welcome" just because "not ALL pull requests"
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snarfed oh that PR would still be welcome
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snarfed and entertaining
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snarfed just not merged :P
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gRegor` haha
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ben_thatmustbeme snarfed: not in #indiechat?
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: nope
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gRegor` That way lie distractions
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ben_thatmustbeme well... i can come up with some unwelcome pull requests
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snarfed gRegor`: thanks! weird, it didn't email me. ok, added ot my todo list
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, headed home
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snarfed gRegor`: ahhhh i was confused, it was an existing comment on a different post. ok. yeah just caching. bane of my existence. cleared that cache item.
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gRegor` Yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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kylewm snarfed: are you using the WP caching plugin that had the big security issue last week?
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kylewm Super Cache iirc
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snarfed kylewm: yeah. i was already updated when the news broke.
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tantek what is Super Cache?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Super Cache" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Super+Cache&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-04-14%2Fline%2F1429046560932
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kylewm aaronpk: +1 your idea to have loqi shorten those wiki links
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Loqi dude
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aaronpk heh
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tantek yeah that would make it less noisy in the online logs
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tantek also less intimidating to click when it's a bunch of query gobbledygook
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tantek *than when
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk i can't even click them in my irc client cause it wraps two lines
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tantek hmm do we have an IWC short domain yet?
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tantek per the principle of tying short domains to domains to minimize cross-site maintenance breakage
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tantek also takes less work because you simply alias/redirect the shortdomain then handle the shortpath on the main site
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aaronpk shortest related domain i have is indieweb.org
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aaronpk yeah an indiewebcamp short domain would be better than loqi.me
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aaronpk I don't think I can get iwc.* on any TLD tho
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kylewm even just indiewebcamp.com/s/abcd1234 would be fine
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kylewm doesn't have to be bit.ly short
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aaronpk true
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aaronpk okay adding that to the list
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gRegor` indieweb.camp ?
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aaronpk i think someone already registered that
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aaronpk oh it's christophe! I bet he'd let me take it over
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@benwerd @kylewmahan Sadly not: https://www.crystalknows.com/ #indieweb #profiling (twitter.com/_/status/588104716267159553)
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@aaronpk @benwerd @kylewmahan Oh my god they built http://avogadrocorp.com #indieweb /cc @hertling (twitter.com/_/status/588105423380729856)
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KevinMarks or is it Sirius Cybernetics? GGP
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KevinMarks s/GGP/GPP/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: or is it Sirius Cybernetics? GPP
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KevinMarks how about a .guide or .help for defintions?
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tantek KevinMarks you know better than that :P
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tantek aaronpk benwerd there's a simpler path to "This is the end of email miscommunication."
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tantek Kevinmarks, you know what works better than .help for help? /help ;)
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GWG Evening.
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bret hey GWG
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GWG Greetings, bret.
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