#indiewebcamp 2015-05-17

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tantek aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 811 karma
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tantek thanks for all the micropub related documentation
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tantek I'm thinking it might help to separate the CMS examples from the IndieWeb examples
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aaronpk yeah it's tricky
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aaronpk now that there are a few CMS examples that might make sense
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tantek especially since Known deserves its own entry!
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tantek nm it has an entry
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GWG tantek: You have 2 different types of projects.
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GWG Specifically Indieweb solutions, and services/projects that can be made to have Indieweb support
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tantek Feverdream is a special case
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tantek.com edited /Micropub (+182) "separate CMS examples, and Services examples" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu ok finished reformatting my talks page with mf2 https://kartikprabhu.com/talks and https://kylewm.com/services/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkartikprabhu.com%2Ftalks
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aaronpk ooh that's where the new mf2py thing is
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aaronpk i was looking for an example of the new rel-urls
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KartikPrabhu also thinking that the existence of a dt-published should distinguish talks/presentations from checkins
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tantek oh I forgot to help answer that question - got caught up in fixing h-adr
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Vendan I still need to add rel-urls to my parser
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kylewm oh yeah to answer your earlier question, mf2py.herokuapp.com is run by tommorris. i'm wondering if there's a way to have it track the github master
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KevinMarks Aaronpk there is also a version of mf2py on unmung.com now
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aaronpk are these all linked from somewhere?
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KevinMarks Where would they be linked from?
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KevinMarks What is microformats
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Loqi microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indiewebcamp.com/microformats
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aaronpk or the microformats wiki
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KevinMarks Hm. Even pin13 is only linked from hCard
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aaronpk heh, another slightly annoying thing about startssl is they sometimes turn off their site on the weekend
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GWG aaronpk: They are Israeli, probably on Saturday
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aaronpk oh wow
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GWG Wow what?
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aaronpk didn't realize that
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GWG They are based in Eilat.
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KevinMarks_ so, lets link to parsers from /microformats
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aaronpk seems reasonable
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tantek___ The canonical list is all on the microformats2 page
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tantek___ Seemed like the most findable / central place for it
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tantek___ Probably better to link to that list rather than duplicate and have go out of sync
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Parsers
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kevinmarks.com edited /microformats (+437) "add mf2 implementations links" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ how's that?
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KevinMarks_ any more to add?
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KevinMarks_ whats a good library for generating svg?
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KevinMarks_ is d3 my best bet?
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aaronpk how come nobody is trying to re-implement SVG in JSON?
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@McGeekiest Thanks for making my life easier today, @Indie_Auth. My woeful #OpenID tale: https://plus.google.com/+JoshuaMcGeekiest/posts/UKhAmcx4pNT #indieauth #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/599765708688510976)
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aaronpk this is an amazing summary
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aaronpk of openid
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/05/16/2/openid-indieauth
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@VSChawathe IndieAuth - IndieWebCamp https://www.linkedin.com/slink?code=eUtxJ4q (twitter.com/_/status/599768243507630080)
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KevinMarks People have reimplemented SVG in javascript
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KevinMarks https://github.com/gabelerner/canvg/blob/master/README.md
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: oh lord!
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks someone should make a "takes HTML from server, draws it on canvas in browser"
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KartikPrabhu why? then you can reproduce all the goodness of Flash
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Vendan lol, I have to work with flash almost every week
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KartikPrabhu Vendan: I do not envy you wrt Flash
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Vendan lol, I hate it myself, but it's the only option currently
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KartikPrabhu of course :)
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Vendan kylewm++ for http://indiewebcamp.com/2015-05-16-this-week-in-the-indieweb
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Loqi kylewm has 170 karma
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andyleap.net edited /2015-05-16-this-week-in-the-indieweb (-19) (view diff)
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andyleap.net created /User:Andyleap.net (+503) "Created page with "=== Programming Languages === For IndieWeb and most personal projects, I go with [[Go]]. At work, I use [[PHP]], [[Go]], [[Javascript]], and [[ActionScript3]]. In addition, I'..."" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu weird. it seems thinking about an alternate storage system also requires one to think about the UI for storing.... chicken and egg... :|
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KartikPrabhu more in title abuse this article: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/16/mad-max-fury-road-how-9-11-mel-gibson-and-heath-ledger-s-death-couldn-t-derail-a-classic.html has a different title in the "Read This" progress bar!!
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kylewm ^also a good case for oxford commas
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kylewm I thought "wait, mel gibson's dead??" from reading the url slug
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KartikPrabhu oxfordcomma++
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tantek catches up on logs though he should be sleeping for b2b tomorrow
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tantek that's a great summary of the horrible state of OpenID
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tantek https://plus.google.com/+JoshuaMcGeekiest/posts/UKhAmcx4pNT
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tantek oxfordcomma++
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tantek KartikPrabhu: re: alternate storage system and UI - YES! That's precisely it. The UI of the inspectability of a storage system is essential to reliability and repairability, which are essential to any "in development" storage system.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: i was talking more about the read/write UI. As in will the UI update things async etc...
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tantek you can add such functionality with iteration
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tantek as needed by use-cases
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KartikPrabhu true. true. maybe I am overthinking it :)
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tantek document your use-cases first for updating things async etc.
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KartikPrabhu yes! currently it is more about how to best update syndication links into the file
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tantek the usual trick is - write a copy of the file, the swap copy for previous version in an atomic operation
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tantek (e.g. changing a symlink)
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KartikPrabhu hmmm will consider
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tantek your talks look mostly like events https://kartikprabhu.com/talks
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes I was confused about events
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tantek because they were things you attended / participated in in person
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KartikPrabhu the thing is I don't know/care about the start and end time
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tantek start date is sufficient
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tantek and if you leave off end date, then it is assumed to be a one day thing
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KartikPrabhu I see. so you'd recommend dt-start over dt-published?
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tantek it's not when you published it as an h-entry on that site - so dt-published is inappropriate
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KartikPrabhu I see, makes sense
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tantek we don't have a hierarchical structure right now for one talk being given at several events
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KartikPrabhu but then the trouble is that assuming it was a one-day talk is not correct
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tantek it's all we can assume from even the visible data you've provided
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KartikPrabhu also, true. which is why I made copies even though they are basically the same talk
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KartikPrabhu tantek: fair enough re: visible data
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voxpelli !tell kylewm Regarding mf2py – Heroku supports automatic deploys from GitHub: https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/github-integration#automatic-deploys They also support multiple owners of a Heroku project
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli did Twitter replace the "Discover" choice in the top menu of the website with "Messages"? wasn't "Messages" hidden within the profile before?
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KevinMarks__ Vendan: what are you stuck with flash for?
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fkooman elf-pavlik, wow, long discussion yesterday about indiecert/webid+tls I saw!
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Loqi fkooman: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 5/13 at 6:36am: on logging in to phubble received .... "me" (https://ben.thatmustbe.me) different from expected "me" (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-13/line/1431524163960
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Loqi fkooman: elf-pavlik left you a message 1 day, 3 hours ago: reading SAML makes me think of you :D http://www.gluu.org/gluu-server/overview/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-16/line/1431760844438
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fkooman ben_thatmustbeme, @aaronpk didn't implement https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/84 yet...
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Vendan KevinMarks, digital signage product uses flash for the "slides", graphics people have a lot of experience and can even code AS3
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Vendan so very little desire to change that
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Vendan fun stuff, my db's schema and contents are all now visible at http://andyleap.net/boltdb
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Vendan (there's no passwords or anything in there)
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@pypi_updates went 0.0.9: Tools for implementing a webmention enpoint. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/went/0.0.9 (twitter.com/_/status/599974157942714369)
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aaronpk I want to put up old versions of my website, but i can't figure out the best way to do that
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aaronpk a subdomain? old.*? old-old.*?
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aaronpk dated?
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aaronpk 2003.aaronparecki.com?
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@artwisanggeni #python went 0.0.9: Tools for implementing a webmention enpoint. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/went/0.0.9 (twitter.com/_/status/599976566290915328)
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snarfed aaronpk: not that i recommend it, but just as a data point, i currently redirect my 1998-2003 site http://ryan.barrett.name/ to https://snarfed.org/ryan.barrett.name/
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snarfed hmm maybe make that 2000-2003
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Vendan ok, my mf2 parser supports rel-urls now
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aaronpk not that you recommend it?
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aaronpk Vendan: sweet. wanna update the php parser to return rel-urls too? :D
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Vendan ugh, I came here to get away from php :P
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kylewm interesting! superfeedr supports multiple hub.topic values for a single POST, but they have to be hub.topic, not hub.topic[]
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Loqi kylewm: voxpelli left you a message 8 hours, 8 minutes ago: Regarding mf2py – Heroku supports automatic deploys from GitHub: https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/github-integration#automatic-deploys They also support multiple owners of a Heroku project http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-17/line/1431853296308
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aaronpk heh, that's how form encoding is supposed to work :P
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kylewm good idea voxpelli, I'll see what tommorris thinks
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Vendan php has just warped how form encoding works
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kylewm aaronpk: should I document that here https://indiewebcamp.com/How_to_publish_and_consume_PubSubHubbub#Multiple_topic_URLs
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kylewm or just on /Superfeedr
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aaronpk probably just superfeedr
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Vendan it's really going to depend on hub, as pub to hub pings aren't specced at all
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tommorris kylewm: yep, can do. looking into hosting on Bluemix (IBM's version of Heroku) too
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aaronpk pub-to-hub pings are specced in PuSH 0.4h ;)
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kylewm I'm going to note it on the How-to-push page, since most people looking at that are going to be using superfeedr, and if they follow the doc as-is it won't work
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aaronpk hm okay. add a note about superfeedr explicitly though
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kylewm right
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kylewm oh looks like I can get feverdream.com for only $20,000
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aaronpk lolol
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kylewm hmm, mpbridge.com, micropubbridge.com are possibilities
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kylewm hmm maybe I should think about getting a generic domain like how you use p3k.io
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aaronpk i've been enjoying that pattern of pick whatever name i want and it's always available as a subdomain of p3k.io
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kylewm :)
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kylewm m8n.io
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kylewm j/k
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GWG Trying to object orient is annoying me.
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kylewm GWG: what for?
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GWG Why is it annoying me or why am I doing it?
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kylewm GWG: what/what are you object orienting?
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GWG WordPress has these coding standards regarding function scope.
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GWG A common way to address is to have functions within classes, otherwise, you have to prefix every function with a unique identifier.
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GWG I've been converting over to the more common choice, limiting scope by embedding in a class.
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@SkateBoardNazty Famous For Life (prod by Joey Roarah) #likeforfolow https://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/599997335213461504)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: kylewm: aaronpk: strongly agree! full domains are nice but definitely not necessary for every little project. (and maybe slightly harmful: maintenance burden, naming restrictions, etc)
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elf-pavlik howdy! i prepare to start publishing tasks i work on on my website https://wwelves.org/perpetual-tripper/ (starting with PESOS)
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elf-pavlik which made me think of how an issue tracker would work taking IndieWeb approach...
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elf-pavlik let's say i create issue on aaronpk project https://github.com/aaronpk/Monocle/issues/27
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elf-pavlik would maintainer of the project use URL of my original issue in one's own personal taskboard or make copy of it and use copy under ones own control instead?
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aaronpk my instinct would be to make a copy of it, like I store people's replies on my site
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elf-pavlik also if another contributor wants to assign onself to that issue e.g. which URI would she use?
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elf-pavlik should i than add rel="canonical" to your copy created under project's namespace?
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elf-pavlik e.g. issues on http://webmention.org like https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues
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elf-pavlik once again, most ineresting case comes with which URL to use as cannonical by people who want to assign to the issue, comment on it, upvote/downvote it etc
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aaronpk you could certainly treat the equivalent to posting notes and getting replies/likes/reposts/etc
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aaronpk the canonical URL collects all the responses
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elf-pavlik so the canonical URL would become the one published under the namespace of the project?
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elf-pavlik e.g. http://webmention.org would hold cannonical URLs for issues on Webmention
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elf-pavlik upvote/downvote an issue might work in some ways similar to http://news.indiewebcamp.com/
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voxpelli I think that either the issue will be owned by the project and then created at the project or the issue will be owned by the creator and created at its site and aggregated elsewhere
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voxpelli Or rather: It's complicated :P
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elf-pavlik voxpelli, do you see problem with maintainer of the project creating copy of original issue (keeping provenance with rel="???" to original issue) and everyone would use this one as cannonical for further collaboration?
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elf-pavlik s/maintainer/one of maintainers/
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Loqi elf-pavlik meant to say: voxpelli, do you see problem with one of maintainers of the project creating copy of original issue (keeping provenance with rel="???" to original issue) and everyone would use this one as cannonical for further collaboration?
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elf-pavlik also i assume here that project can have independent shared dataspace under control of maintainers e.g. http://webmention.org or http://indiewebcamp.com namespaces
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elf-pavlik similar to aaronpk's instinct i would prefer not to use URLs in namespace not controlled by project team as cannonical for tracking issues...
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voxpelli I'm not sure
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voxpelli but thinking about it, it feels like step 1 would be to create issues at ones own site and any steps beyond that would be informed bvy that first step
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elf-pavlik if i would create issue for https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/
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aaronpk i've already been posting github issues from my site and syndicating them to github
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voxpelli jumping directly to trying to recreate the full existing GitHub:esque flows just feels to me like it may skip a few steps in the dogfeeding and might arrive at the wrong conclusion
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elf-pavlik webpage-webmentions doesn't make best example since only voxpelli maintains it...
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elf-pavlik let's take example of issues on https://github.com/w3c-social/Social-APIs-Brainstorming
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aaronpk voxpelli++ for incremental progress
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Loqi voxpelli has 24 karma
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elf-pavlik i could publish one on my data space, instead of https://github.com/w3c-social/Social-APIs-Brainstorming/issues/5
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voxpelli elf-pavlik: if you want to create an issue, then create a page – mark it up as an issue (not sure if there's mf2-markup for that) – and webmention my project with is a "reply" or something
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elf-pavlik which URL i should use for your project?
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voxpelli well, for me specifically I don't have any non-GitHub projects yet – but I could very much create an indieweb-project page
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elf-pavlik i have one rough page for http://hackers4peace.net/plp/
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elf-pavlik will soon remove redirect for http://levelgraph.io and also self host it
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Vendan maybe separate "issue report" from "issue". Non-Dev creates issue report, dev creates issue from that issue report, possibly automatically using a webmention type flow
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elf-pavlik Vendan, that sounds like a great idea!
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voxpelli +1 Vendan
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Vendan fun part is building the microformats for it, but most parsers are generic enough to work with arbitrary microformats
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elf-pavlik provenance of issue coming from issue report could stay tracked with something like http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/#wasDerivedFrom
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Vendan well, from a microformats view, it'd be something like u-report
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elf-pavlik does IndieWeb camp uses exclusively microformats vocabulary and microformats serializations? https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_syntax
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elf-pavlik not sure about using term exclusively in proper way :S
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elf-pavlik http://indiewebcamp.com/Principles doesn't even mention microformats
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Vendan I wouldn't say "exclusively", but microformats2 stuff is generally the primary supported markup (at least that I've seen)
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elf-pavlik http://indiewebcamp.com/Principles#Plurality
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Vendan indiemark stuff requires microformats2 markup
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Vendan note, multiple implementations is different then multiple specifications
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: you're welcome to publish whatever you want on your site, many of us do
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aaronpk getting other people to parse that is a different story
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elf-pavlik true, but reinventing already existing technologies (e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/ ) doesn't make sense to me, especially that it all could interoperate nicely with microformats terms via efforts like https://github.com/rhiaro/mf2rdf
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elf-pavlik but i understand that i should publish stuff first before discussing it any further
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aaronpk microformats2 is currently the easiest and quickest way to publish and consume structured data on each others' websites, so unless some other way comes along that is easier and more compelling, i think you'll have a hard time convincing anyone to do anything different
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kevinmarks1 Kylewm: you could get feverdream.pub
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Vendan elf-pavlik, that looks very machines first to me
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Vendan "Use visible data for humans first, machines second"
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elf-pavlik Vendan, I still don't see how it takes into account that different people often prefer to see the same data presented in different way
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elf-pavlik e.g. how many different IRC clients people here use to communicate
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elf-pavlik or email clients, or calendar clients, or address books, or map interfaces etc.
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kevinmarks1 Or even silo.pub
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: we're already doing that too, where i can read peoples' posts in my own reader with an interface i choose
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aaronpk the point is machine-readable *second* to the visible data
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aaronpk omg silo.pub is amazing
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Vendan mf2, when used correctly, can extract data from widely varying original markups
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Vendan and wind up with the exact same result
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voxpelli aaronpk: Vendan: if one were to start publishing mf2 "issue" data – would one start coming up with a new "h-issue" or just build of "h-entry" or how would one approach it?
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elf-pavlik but only supports vocabulary terms from one silo http://microformats.org/
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Vendan elf-pavlik, mf2 parsers are rather generic
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Vendan they don't have a set of "these are your words"
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: microformats vocab has nothing to do with parsing
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Vendan voxpelli, not sure
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aaronpk voxpelli: i'm not sure, maybe take a look at the properties in h-entry and see if they would work for an issue?
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Vendan would need to play with it some
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aaronpk i'm not sure if an issue is different enough from a post to require a new type
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aaronpk would be worth trying stuff out for sure
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voxpelli i'm a bit rusty at the "create new mf-standards" process :P
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aaronpk yeah me too, but i bet there's docs on it :)
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elf-pavlik thinking about rendering HTML, would use use the same template to render issue and note/article?
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aaronpk that's up to you
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elf-pavlik issue often has 'assigned', sometiems 'up/down votes'
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elf-pavlik sometimes milestone
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/process
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KevinMarks__ Reusing existing vocab in new objects is encouraged
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elf-pavlik http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocabs/dbug
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KevinMarks__ But the main thing is to document existing practice and compare
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elf-pavlik I will just start with PESOS from github and than switch to POSSE
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voxpelli elf-pavlik: I guess it would be good to compose existing practises of GitHub etc – what fields etc do they have for issues and how does that map to existing mf-fields?
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voxpelli s/compose/compose a list of/
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Loqi voxpelli meant to say: elf-pavlik: I guess it would be good to compose a list of existing practises of GitHub etc – what fields etc do they have for issues and how does that map to existing mf-fields?
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elf-pavlik voxpelli, but i really don't +1 'microformats everything'
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elf-pavlik but if someone comes up with microformats based equivalent, i can also support it as one of available representations via conneg
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elf-pavlik what is conneg?
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voxpelli elf-pavlik: well, the research part of what fields that are already in use out there isn't really microformats-specific
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Loqi conneg is short for HTTP Content Negotiation, a method by which a browser or other web client can request content of various types from a web server, and depending on what is requested, and what the server supports, it tries to provide the best it can https://indiewebcamp.com/conneg
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elf-pavlik voxpelli, i'll start with getting data from github API and making JSON-LD macro and reuse exising vocabs as much as possible https://github.com/antoniogarrote/json-ld-macros
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elf-pavlik next step i can publish it on my site available as HTML+RDFa and JSON-LD, Turtle via conneg without any additional code needed
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voxpelli well, no matter if it's RDF, JSON-LD or microformats – the model would need to be able to describe issues of more kinds than just GitHubs and thus probably need to be modeled after more than just GitHub
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aaronpk luckily there is no shortage of ticketing/issue systems :)
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voxpelli aaronpk: yeah – Trac, Jira, Sourceforge – the joy :P
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elf-pavlik i will try making JSON-LD macros for data from github and trello APIs, which map them to existing and new open vocabs
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elf-pavlik starting with github makes sense since most people use it nowadays
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voxpelli elf-pavlik: would be great if you documented those structures independently of your JSON-LD-work so that other works could be based upon the same
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voxpelli also becomes a proof and historic reference of why you came up with what you came up with :)
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elf-pavlik i'll draw serialization independent graphs for all the data structures i work with, e.g. https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/tree/master/activity/Travel
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elf-pavlik and provide 3 example serializations HTML+RDFa, JSON-LD and Turtle
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voxpelli just realized that iCal actually contains a "to-do" standard: VTODO
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voxpelli then found: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-calendar-to-do
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voxpelli oh dear – the rabbit hole :P
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KevinMarks__ With ask.willsome.com I did just use h-entry and h-cite
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KevinMarks__ Which is a kind of issue tracking system
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KevinMarks__ But interested in marking it up more
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elf-pavlik i can also use iCal terms via http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfcal/
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KevinMarks__ I think there is an analogue to RSVP
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KevinMarks__ Elf, you're plumbing again.
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elf-pavlik hCalendar and microformats http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfcal/#L1879
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elf-pavlik i need vocab terms to use in macros for github API https://github.com/antoniogarrote/json-ld-macros
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GWG I need someone to bounce some plumbing ideas off of.
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voxpelli KevinMarks__: interesting idea with RSVP-similaryt – like a p-status or something that can be set to "closed", "in progress", "merged"?
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elf-pavlik ok, no more plumbing before i implement it :P
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GWG I'm trying to address the difference between snarfed's implementation, my implementation, and future implementations
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elf-pavlik i mostly wanted to check about which URL people would use as canonical for collaborating on issues
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elf-pavlik and best suggestion came from Vendan++ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-17/line/1431889545523
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KevinMarks__ http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fask.willsomeone.com%2Fshowask%3Faskid%3Dag5zfndpbGwtc29tZW9uZXIkCxIHQXNrbGlzdCIHc29tZW9uZQwLEgNBc2sYgICAgODazQsM&html=&pretty=on
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elf-pavlik thanks for the feedback and gnight #indiewebcamp
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GWG Hmmm..Jeff Jarvis is on TWIT saying there needs to be an open API for content.
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GWG I'll be here banging my head against a desk.
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GWG Figuratively speaking.
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aaronpk lol
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GWG I don't understand. When it comes to presenting news on Facebook...open API.
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GWG When it comes to placing content on your site and syndicating it...Don't get it
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GWG Oh well
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GWG I don't get why what they think is good for big content providers isn't good for the individual.
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KevinMarks__ I think Ben Ward's comments on the fb thing were interesting
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GWG Oh?
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