#indiewebcamp 2015-05-25

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GWG Okay, so I just reached a milestone in a major rewrite of my Post Kinds plugin. I need to figure out what is next.
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GWG According to my list, that is either...finishing work on Syndication Links, Owning my Bookmarks, or fixing Semantic Comments.
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tantek hmm - I wonder how each of those helps your (or others's) /IndieMark
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tantek that's one way to look at it - help yourself (and more people) step up their IndieMark scores
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tantek if a bunch of itches seem similarly itchy ;)
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GWG tantek: Adding rel=me link support to Syndication Links is part of the plan for working on that plugin. That is a Level 1 enhancement.
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tantek that sounds like a plan!
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GWG tantek: I've been going back and refactoring all the code as I do this. I just finished completely redoing the guts of the Post Kinds plugin.
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GWG I should now, optionally, be able to customize the presentation of everything.
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Loqi I agree
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GWG However, right now it looks exactly the same.
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tantek hmm - I'm getting a bunch of "Your Twitter login request" emails - reset codes that I did not ask for
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@benwerd Congratulations to @jimgroom on his move to go full time with Reclaim Hosting: http://bavatuesdays.com/resignation/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/602649321033478144)
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmmm.. one step closer to mobilepub working from the share menu :D
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: sweet!
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tantek let me know how I can try it out / or help
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, but its turning out to be very very frustrating. the plugin for the android intents hasn't been updated in some time / has tons and tons of forks
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Loqi [mention] http://atg.soy/2015/05/24/indiewebcamp/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/File:icon_4611.png (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://atg.soy/2015/05/24/indiewebcamp/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/File:icon_31635.png (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://atg.soy/2015/05/24/indiewebcamp/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://atg.soy/2015/05/24/indiewebcamp/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (pingback)
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@zingplex IndieWebCamp The IndieWeb is a ... http://atg.soy/2015/05/24/indiewebcamp/ #Design #Developer #News #Security #Utilities https://twitter.com/zingplex/status/602667654822895616/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/602667654822895616)
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Loqi [mention] http://atg.soy/2015/05/24/indiewebcamp/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/File:icon_2003.png (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://atg.soy/2015/05/24/indiewebcamp/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/permalinks (pingback)
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KevinMarks tantek: liquid lunch is amore common phrase than liquid dinner, surely
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KevinMarks https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=liquid+lunch%2Cliquid+dinner%2C+liquid+breakfast%2Cliquid+supper&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cliquid%20lunch%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bliquid%20lunch%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BLiquid%20Lunch%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cliquid%20dinner%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cliquid%20breakfast%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cliquid%20supper%3B%2Cc0
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tantek KevinMarks: and liquid diet is more common that either - so I used that instead
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KevinMarks__ Ben, have you worked out how to pass text and url through an intent?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: I thought you were referring to the "airplane" icon Share toolbar button in Firefox.
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks__: I have sample on how to fire an intent, and I can set my app to be triggerable by them, but I cannot figure out actually getting the text in
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: I leave that up to others really. I'm more interested in getting MobilePub up to something nicer than what it is.
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KevinMarks are git submodules worth the faffing?
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KevinMarks or rather, do they save different kinds of faffing?
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KevinMarks thinking about unmung.com where I am mostly writing glue code for other github repositories, and end up copying the code in to make it work
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Loqi slack/snarfed: are the other repos yours?
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KevinMarks some are. I can clone the others
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Loqi slack/snarfed: if so then maybe yes, submodules may help reduce faffing
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KevinMarks unmung.com has my fork of feedparser and now my fork of cassis auto_link
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Loqi slack/snarfed: are those forks diverging from upstream?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: of do they follow upstream very closely?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: if either then maybe yes submodules
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KevinMarks (part of my fork is avoiding the 'lets split feedparser into lots of file because fashion' - the other part is restoring features )
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KevinMarks s/file/files/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: (part of my fork is avoiding the 'lets split feedparser into lots of files because fashion' - the other part is restoring features )
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Loqi slack/snarfed: ah OK so diverging
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Loqi slack/snarfed: i think I've had a mostly positive experience using submodules for bridgy + activitystreams-unofficial + oauth-dropins
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Loqi slack/snarfed: other contributors (kylewm?) might disagree; not sure
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KevinMarks python (and especially appengine python) seems to favour a lot of copying of includes
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KevinMarks as compared to node where npm is a religions
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Loqi slack/snarfed: for normal dependencies, I'd probably go with a package manager + virtualenv/container instead
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Loqi slack/snarfed: copying of includes?
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KevinMarks go I have less of a handle on - seems to be an onging battle
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KevinMarks my 'make it work' process on unmung has led to me copying in lots of code: https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung
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Loqi slack/snarfed: understood
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Loqi slack/snarfed: copying dependencies per project instead of system wide is basically the whole idea behind docker, virtualenv, containerization, etc
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KevinMarks right, but I'm not wholly convinced that is actually clearer
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Loqi slack/snarfed: you can do that same thing for unmung with pip + virtualenv, right?
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Loqi slack/snarfed: ah OK. clearer, who knows.
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KevinMarks the reason html5lib is there is that mf2py misbehaves without it
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Loqi slack/snarfed: try submodules for a while, see what you think
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KevinMarks and my feedparser fork does less without mf2py around to help
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KevinMarks so I have these weird soft dependencies because of the way Python socializes devs to cope with environments
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/darth/status/602737586243825665
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@darth @kevinmarks @benwerd *poster* https://twitter.com/darth/status/602737586243825665/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/602737586243825665)
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@cfing99 RT @SecuringPHP: Chris Shiflett (@shiflett) has posted about using IndieAuth for authentication using your own domain: http://t.co/ElWXNDXC… (twitter.com/_/status/602737904255926272)
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endi I've never noticed before that Seth Godin lists TrackBack URL w/ posts: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2015/05/we-are-all-social-entrepreneurs.html
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@Inkwater_Masha Thinking of crowd sourcing you book? 7 lessons learned http://www.authormedia.com/how-to-use-kickstarter-to-fund-your-next-book-project/ #selfpub #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/602782459764281344)
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@TheWritingGeek Thinking of crowd sourcing you book? 7 lessons learned http://www.authormedia.com/how-to-use-kickstarter-to-fund-your-next-book-project/ #selfpub #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/602782463279136768)
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Loqi [mention] Rogier posted 'Update: The camp was organized by the awesome Marc Thiele and not by Aaron and Jeremy as I wrote earlier. So, I guess this #indiewebcamp w...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (http://killerog.com/2015/05/10/thoughts-on-the-indieweb/)
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@davidpeach1 I think this week's task on my site will be to put in place some robust webmention parsing. (twitter.com/_/status/602849119003123712)
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benborges my self hosted box yuno.1-m.cc
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benborges soon to host a known and WordPress indieweb instance
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benborges for the sake of experimenting. it will be my dev instance where I can break things for fun
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Pierre-O good choice for yunohost, it is backed by a nice team!
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ben_thatmustbeme getting so annoyed with cordova
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ben_thatmustbeme still cannot get twitter share data in to my app
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ben_thatmustbeme :/
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GWG Okay, Rel-Me Crossed Off List
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tantek as in, deployed and works?
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GWG I just deployed it to the WordPress repository. I use the production versions on my main site, so I can test for issues.
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GWG Updating main site
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tantek cool
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tantek also this Known "movie poster" is amazing: https://twitter.com/darth/status/602737586243825665
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@darth @kevinmarks @benwerd *poster* https://twitter.com/darth/status/602737586243825665/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/602737586243825665)
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GWG And deployed
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tantek woot!
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Loqi :D
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tantek and I just got MozSF 1st floor for the next Homebrew Website Club meetup!
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tantek !tell aaronpk,bret,dietrich the next Homebrew Website Club meetup is coming up? Are you able to host in Portland on 2015-06-03? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-03-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell kylewm I've confirmed MozSF for HWC on 2015-06-03 - could you create an indie event and FB POSSE event for it? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-03-homebrew-website-club#URLs
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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rhiaro aloha indiewebcamp. Did a date for IWC Brighton get confirmed? I felt like it was going to coincide with the Portland on 11/12 July, but I also felt like it was in June, so now I'm confused. Can't find anything on the wiki..
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Loqi rhiaro: tantek left you a message on 5/24 at 4:19pm: does this make sense to you, as people that post /food /posts? http://indiewebcamp.com/food#Are_drinks_really_food http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-24/line/1432509559646
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rhiaro !tell tantek: I haven't found it useful to differentiate between drinks and food, I normalise everything to food. I can see it might be useful for someone who specifically wants to track alcohol or caffeine consumption, but I don't. I refer to it (in my head) as 'consume' too, because I plan to record other things I consume
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi [mention] Amy posted 'http://adactio.com Hey Jeremy, what date did you decide for IWC Brighton?...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton (http://blog.rhiaro.co.uk/hey-jeremy-what)
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/2015/05/homebrew-website-club linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-03-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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kylewm tantek_: done
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 52 minutes ago: I've confirmed MozSF for HWC on 2015-06-03 - could you create an indie event and FB POSSE event for it? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-03-homebrew-website-club#URLs http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-25/line/1432577669460
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bret acegiak: sorry about the incorrect date on my post. accident
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Loqi bret: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 13 minutes ago: the next Homebrew Website Club meetup is coming up? Are you able to host in Portland on 2015-06-03? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-03-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-25/line/1432577627897
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bret acegiak: good reason to trust published dates when parsing for information.. should be fixed now
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bret not trust*
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bret i can host if esri or mozila are available
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KevinMarks_ Useful tips for indieWebcamp Edinburgh? https://planetedinburgh.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/the-15-least-romantic-edinburgh-date-ideas/
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benwerd I've done 2-5, 10 and 15 ...
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@kevinmarks “The 2016 US election is apparently going to be huge on Snapchat. Translation: Snapchat is over. ” @benwerd http://werd.io/2015/10-things-to-consider-about-the-future-of-web-applications #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/602959342745227265)
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tantek I love it when deployed code works the first time.
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Loqi tantek: rhiaro left you a message 3 hours, 50 minutes ago: I haven't found it useful to differentiate between drinks and food, I normalise everything to food. I can see it might be useful for someone who specifically wants to track alcohol or caffeine consumption, but I don't. I refer to it (in my head) as 'consume' too, because I plan to record other things I consume http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-25/line/1432578651880
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tantek my /RSVP posts in-reply-to to a FB event now automatically (using @Falcon) use Bridgy Publish to POSSE the RSVP to FB right after my code POSSEs it to Twitter. Touched 3 different files to make this work.
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tantek (I was previously manually using the Bridgy web UI to POSSE RSVPs to FB events)
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tantek onelessmanualstep++
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Loqi onelessmanualstep has 1 karma
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tantek rather
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tantek onefewermanualstep++ :)
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tantek !tell rhiaro the term "consume" makes sense, except, especially in the online context, it tends to include non-physical things too - which seems quite outside the bounds/meaning of food&drink. Would "ingest" work for you if you're looking for a more generic term than "food"? (but still implying physical consumption rather than virtual consumption like reading / listening ? )
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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tantek !tell kylewm thanks much! gave me an excuse to add more code/support to /Falcon too :) Also could you make me a co-host of the FB event? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek and now I have something to report as having improved/built on my own site for the next HWC :)
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tantek GWG, your rel=me progress today inspired me to also get something done (and live) on my own site. Well done and thanks for sharing here.
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tantek GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 95 karma
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GWG tantek: I did have rel=me entered manually, but this is a better solution for myself and others.
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GWG Glad I could inspire. Sharing inspires me as well
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