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# 00:00 kylewm KevinMarks: fixed the Woodwind crash, sorry about that # 00:04 bret did you ever set up a way for the bearer token to get back to the CLI? # 00:05 kylewm yes, it temporarily runs a localhost server, gives you a link to click and then when indieauth redirects back to localhost, it gets the auth code and shuts down the server # 00:10 bret can you register a uri handler? e.g. micropub://?bearer=xxx without having to launch a local host server i wonder? benwerd joined the channel
# 00:13 kylewm I think I might have looked at aaronpk's pushups app to see the protocol handler thing bengo joined the channel
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# 05:34 KevinMarks__ I think Hugh captures the feeling that Facebook is too Public for most people whereas the web feels smaller and more intimate again # 05:42 benwerd tantek: my server was having a "moment" yesterday. Should be okay now. # 05:44 tantek cool. I still suspect a problem with my code - but that inconsitency really confused me! :) bengo joined the channel
# 05:45 benwerd Everything on that server runs behind Squid, and it's really picky about what it thinks might be security issues; had a very similar problem with OwnYourGram a while back. bengo, snarfed, cweiske, KevinMarks_, lukebrooker and jciv joined the channel
# 06:29 snarfed.org created /offline (+898) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''<dfn>offline</dfn>''' is anytime you're not online and connected to the internet. It's similar to intermittent connectivity, like using a network with high latency ..."" (
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# 11:08 acegiak anyone able to help me work out why mobile users keep getting an untrusted warning for https on acegiak.net? # 11:11 cweiske I can guess that they still do it today, and even with https # 11:12 cweiske acegiak, there are non-https resources on your site # 11:15 petermolnar since he didn't specify mobile users in case it's old (ie 2.3 android) this could be an issue pfefferle joined the channel
# 11:30 GWG acegiak: I've been meaning to ask you, are you keeping up with mf2_s? # 11:48 petermolnar does anyone know how to renew a startssl certificate before the previous runs out without needing to pay for revoking the previous? # 11:51 GWG THey usually send a notice to renew # 11:51 GWG I'm sure I did it, but can't recall. # 11:53 petermolnar I'll just bypass it with an ssl.com cert for a while and get a new from startssl when that runs out KartikPrabhu and pfefferle joined the channel
# 12:12 acegiak petermolnar: it's a nexus 5 I'm seeing the issue on at the moment but I've seen it on others so If the thing you're referring to is only on older android that's not the problem # 12:12 acegiak cweiske: I'll have a look at what I can do about that # 12:13 acegiak GWG: I've been updating to the MF2_s updates you push to wordpress.org # 12:13 acegiak GWG: nothing has broken my child theme yet which is great # 12:16 GWG acegiak: I don't have it on WordPress.org,just Github jansauer joined the channel
# 12:27 acegiak I thought I'd gotten updates for it through wordpress a couple of times Zegnat and Sebastien-L joined the channel
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# 13:00 GWG acegiak: Planning to do some rewriting on my vacation mlncn, fkooman, tmro and adactio_ joined the channel
# 13:37 GWG I want to improve my microformats structure on my site wolftune joined the channel
# 13:42 GWG I may need some help once I get into it. pfefferle, fourtonfish, adactio, loic_m, shiflett and snarfed joined the channel
# 14:13 kylewm petermolnar: I was able to renew my startssl certificate just recently, had to wait until the old cert was within 4 weeks of expiring # 14:15 Zegnat It is the one reason I am still considering what CA to go with, I am not sure I like StartSSL’s limit on revocations and reissues # 14:16 petermolnar I walked over to ssl.com this time, the startssl ux pisses me off every single time eschnou joined the channel
# 14:20 Zegnat I was considering namecheap, they seem to have a Comodo cert for < 10 USD. What is the consensus on them as SSL provider? adactio joined the channel
# 14:21 cweiske until then, cacert.org suffices for me and my users # 14:22 Zegnat I looked at CAcert for a second but I want to go SSL only and the fact they aren’t shipped anywhere didn’t sound so good # 14:22 cweiske yes, but there are no alternatives currently in my eyes # 14:23 petermolnar but I've been on https for years now, I do need a "fully" valid one :( cmhobbs joined the channel
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# 15:03 acegiak Uhhh. I'm guessing my /etc/SSL/certs shouldn't contain like 50 .pem files and that has something to do with last week's intrusion? # 15:04 petermolnar acegiak key-only ssh, fail2ban and regex patterns mailing you in case syslog gets nasty cmhobbs joined the channel
# 15:05 acegiak Every time I clean up the server gets hammered until it breaks again # 15:07 acegiak Linux. My plan for the last few months has been to wait until my internet is connected here and then when I move the server here do the wipe and reinstall game again # 15:08 petermolnar what security plugins are you using for your wordpress or what other stuff is in place? # 15:08 acegiak At the moment its hosted on my parents fibre connection # 15:09 aaronpk acegiak: would you consider just using something like Dreampress? # 15:09 aaronpk i haven't actually used it before but i keep getting emails from them # 15:10 aaronpk and i'm curious what people who are more familiar with wordpress think of it mlncn and interactivist joined the channel
# 15:11 acegiak Ah. I host my own because whisper follow is a massive resource hog # 15:11 petermolnar aaronpk dreampress looks much like manages containers, but it looks ok # 15:12 petermolnar why whisperfollow? an rss aggregator would be much more effective # 15:13 acegiak WhisperFollow does RSS aggregate with magpie as well as mf2 # 15:13 acegiak But yeah its a testament to my awful software building skills # 15:14 petermolnar in that case stick to it; I thought it's rss only, but if not, I don't have better ideas # 15:15 acegiak Like, the biggest problem I have with it is that I do the reddit thing of "finished reading my feed. Guess I'll close that tab and open a tab to check my feed" j12t joined the channel
# 15:15 acegiak Tempted to switch to known and rebuild the experience though # 15:16 petermolnar althought with that simplicity - for now - you'll get some restrictions # 15:17 acegiak And less prone to nonsensical explosions and security holes # 15:17 acegiak Yeah I think wordpress's flexibility will keep me on it # 15:18 petermolnar but with not too problematic combination of iptables, syslog, nginx rules & fail2ban, you're pretty good to go # 15:19 acegiak I'll probably seek your wisdom once I do this cleanup when we get fibre here # 15:20 acegiak We were promised fibre in three months when we moved in in march last year # 15:21 acegiak Actual street works started two weeks ago. A neighbour has been graciously lending her WiFi to us the whole time # 15:35 kylewm LanceyWork: upload an image, then click the preview, and the markup should be added to the content textarea. # 15:36 LanceyWork the markup doesn't do anything, the html content doesn't include it tvn joined the channel
# 15:37 bret i want to open up my gust wifi, but the tools for monitoring what kind of activity are going through it are nonexistant # 15:37 kylewm LanceyWork: oh but you are probably saving as a draft? that might not work... :/ wrk3 joined the channel
# 15:38 aaronpk bret: there are some really good tools actually! I used to run them in my dorm room # 15:38 kylewm LanceyWork: good catch, mind filing an issue? # 15:38 bret any articles or project you know of, IM all ears! # 15:39 aaronpk oh man i can't remember what it was called, but it showed you all sorts of information # 15:42 LanceyWork kylewm, publishing doesn't work either. it uploads the note but doesn't insert the markdown. maybe something i'm doing wrong snarfed, wolftune and pfefferle joined the channel
# 15:57 LanceyWork i reverted to an earlier version and it's still not working, even with publishing tantek joined the channel
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# 16:23 tantek that's great LanceyWork! I OTOH have not yet figure out automatic sending of webmentions. # 16:24 LanceyWork oh yeah i was having trouble getting redwind to include images properly KevinMarks_ and danlyke joined the channel
# 16:38 tantek been trying to preview edited stuff on the wiki for many minutes now and getting timeouts # 16:39 tantek "Secure Connection Failed \ The connection to indiewebcamp.com was interrupted while the page was loading. \ The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. " # 16:39 tantek I'm really starting to anecdotally believe that SSL everywhere is making the web more fragile # 16:39 tantek from stuff like that on our wiki, to long periods of FB not loading for the same reason # 16:40 tantek some kind of SSL thing gets screwed up en route, and everything breaks # 16:40 tantek it's like another form of XML fragility stupidity ALomax joined the channel
# 16:41 aaronpk isn't http 2 supposed to fix that or something? :P # 16:41 tantek some sort of sustained MiTM attempted attack? # 16:46 bear ignores the straw man comparison to xml "fragility" # 16:46 bear tantek - most likely it was something in your path to the server trying to inject js or otherwise mess with the data # 16:47 bear very common in open wifi environments or with vendors like comcast or other isps # 16:47 bear your connection changed routes, their mitm to insert js broke and you got that error # 16:48 tantek bear this is with a direct ISP connection - not some open wifi # 16:49 bear ok - I was just listing some of the more common reasons why i've seen that error happen endi and interactivist joined the channel
# 16:56 tantek hmm - going to try turning the modem/router off and back on again (with like a 30 seconds downtime just to hopefully get any attackers to give up at least for a bit) to see if it makes any difference gRegorLove, wolftune, bengo and snarfed joined the channel
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# 17:28 tantek.com edited /XMPP (-67) "Undo revision 19728 by Wwelves.org perpetual-tripper because looks like wiki noise: "Social Platforms" is meaningless, movim page says nothing about XMPP other than having a chatroom, buddycloud page says nothing about XMPP" (
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# 17:29 bear tantek - buddycloud is all about XMPP as is movim - why remove them from the XMPP page? # 17:29 tantek because buddycloud home page is ZERO about XMPP # 17:30 bear yea, the movim not saying "hey we used XMPP" is a sort point with us xmpp types bengo joined the channel
# 17:32 tantek it looked like a nonsensical edit from review of the links # 17:32 tantek also "Social Platforms" is totally meaningless # 17:32 tantek also - relevance of those sites? are they silos, open source, what? # 17:32 bear I see your point about buddycloud not explicitely saying "hey we use XMPP" but that doesn't change the fact that it's core *is* XMPP # 17:32 tantek presumably there's a list somewhere else of XMPP implementations that we could link to? # 17:33 tantek (since they're not "web" per se - no permalinks) # 17:33 tantek now if someone here has a deployment of one of these on their own site - they we should create a page for that project and put an "IndieWeb Examples" section on it # 17:34 bear hmm, i'll take that task on - I know the web site folks at the XSF are redoing the web site for that purpose # 17:34 tantek if no one here is using any of them, we could document that too - that no one here cares # 17:34 tantek but do they want that? no reason to try to document everything no one here cares about # 17:34 tantek (except if something is hyped, and we want to deflate the hype a bit) # 17:35 bear I just don't like the out-of-hand dismissal of xmpp as not being indieweb when it's the only messaging platform that is completely open source and not a silo # 17:35 aaronpk well it's definitely not "web", but is very "indie" # 17:36 bear the core xmpp servers now all have web methods for interacting # 17:36 tantek bear - so because that's so unclear except to those inside xmpp - perhaps that's something the xmpp community needs to make very clear in a *simple* explanation somewhere # 17:36 bear you can connect to an xmpp server using pure web tech # 17:36 aaronpk maybe i would be more interested in xmpp if i knew about that # 17:36 bear tantek - yep, that's why I erased a whole bunch of responses and realized that we still haven't gotten that new info out into the web # 17:36 bret my use of IM has gone way down as my use if IRC has gone way up # 17:36 aaronpk my only experience with xmpp was trying and miserably failing to set up a jabber server on parecki.com like 10 years ago # 17:37 bear yea, you can now use pure javascript to interact with xmpp services # 17:37 tantek bear, right, until there are primary sources about xmpp doing that - no need to document such info on a secondary site like indiewebcamp # 17:37 bear their are two main libraries to do that - stanza.io and xmppftw # 17:37 bret bear: are there any trivially set up node xmpp servers? # 17:37 bret ejabberd was kinda confusing to set up # 17:38 bear I tell folks to use Prosody now for the server - it's Lua based but easy to setup # 17:38 bear i'm looking at the software list now to see if their is a nodejs version # 17:41 tantek KevinMarks: you can lead those temptations to Wikipedia ;) # 17:42 bear I enjoy being challenged by you all with some of my older proto-assumptions :) # 17:43 gRegorLove Dreamhost offers basic xmpp service for your domain. I've actually set up a username @gregorlove.com on it and used it for a bit. I haven't used it regularly, though. # 17:44 tantek bear, if only XMPP had been an MVP with a test suite, and actual complete implementations that interop'd per the test suite # 17:44 tantek I mean, someone could still subset it to do that, but who will? # 17:44 bear that is part of what the move to create a web interface has created # 17:45 bear what exactly is the minum level of protocol required to implement it benwerd joined the channel
# 17:45 tantek bear - it is a protocol, but it is certainly not minimum, given how everyone implements a different (small) subset # 17:46 tantek jonnybarnes: great - you'll have to add yourself to the /Prosody page bear is creating # 17:46 bear tantek - that is a purposeful design decision # 17:47 bear XMPP at it's core is only a small set of items that allow custom implementations to federate and interoperate even across older servers # 17:47 aaronpk wonders if anybody would send him jabber messages if he ran a jabber server at aaron@parecki.com # 17:47 tantek bear - that's poor design and leads to bad implementability and bad interop. # 17:48 tantek I predict at some point in the future someone *will* subset XMPP in that way, and basically obsolete the existing work to date (maybe wrap legacy implementations behind proxies) # 17:48 bear it has lead to amazing interop because old and new servers all allow messages to pass thru # 17:48 bear that's just the point - you don't need to wrap it in a proxy - any subset can pass thru any current server implementation # 17:49 bear it's the clients that drive what they will respond/react to # 17:49 kylewm aaronpk: XMPP is lonely for me since GoogleTalk stopped interoping with other servers # 17:49 tantek so that minimal subset is not documented - that's the point # 17:49 tantek which makes it too hard to implement = fewer clients / servers # 17:49 bear google has not dropped it - they just turned off the server-to-server part # 17:50 bear tantek - the minimal subset is documented as an IETF RFC # 17:50 bear I don't know how much more standard it can get # 17:50 tantek and results in people / companies dropping it, or dropping parts of it - but you can't really tell because there's no open test suite nor open source test suite deployment you can test against # 17:50 aaronpk cause now they can replace XMPP internally and nobody would know # 17:50 tantek interop done against one implementation at a time != standard # 17:51 bear i'm tired of debating this - your using strawman arguments that are not even based on fact # 17:51 bear their are test suites and open implementations of them # 17:51 tantek then I stand corrected. presumably there's links to them on some XMPP page? # 17:51 bear now, are they well advertised, that may be a point of contention - but exactly how easy is it to get PHPUnit to work across implementations? # 17:51 tantek (there didn't used to be, and IETF is notorious for being bad about open test suites) # 17:52 gRegorLove My outsider impression was google dropped it so they could have more of a walled garden: Google Hangouts # 17:52 tantek PHPUnit is not a protocol / format standard - it's language-specific # 17:52 bear my use of phpunit was to point out that not all test suites - even if open - are easy to use or well documented # 17:53 tantek PHPUnit is not a test suite for formats/protocols - it's a test framework for *code* - very different # 17:53 bear i'll finish that stub later - right now i'm not in a mood to be writing shiflett joined the channel
# 17:56 bear i'm not grumpy at anyone here - most of my grump comes from the bad web based documentation - these things do exist but the standard that is set in this channel on things being well documented in a web form can be tedious to defend against # 17:56 aaronpk ooh is there an XMPP bot I can chat with to get all the docs then? ;) # 17:56 bear heck, most of the core parts of indieweb are not testable in the same manner your trying to hold XMPP up against # 17:56 bear yes, in the Prosody chat room their is a bot that will respond to requests for help for all the relevant RFCs # 17:57 snarfed (minor point: google dropping server-to-server definitely isn't equivalent to dropping xmpp entirely. e.g. one big difference is that third party xmpp clients still work with gtalk.) # 17:58 bear i've been battling inside of the XSF for years about this point - so I may be a bit sensitive :/ bengo joined the channel
# 18:05 bear apoligizes for shutting down the conversation flow j12t, shiflett and tantek joined the channel
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# 18:25 tantek bear - meant to say here - understand the mood/grumpiness. on this end I blame DHCP. Just wasted 1.5 hrs rebooting various devices because Apple can't seem to make OSX and iOS "standards based" networking (TCP/IP) work as reliably as AppleTalk. # 18:25 tantek i.e. 15 years of OSX dev - and networking still sucks on OSX # 18:26 tantek iOS appears to be slightly more reliable than OSX, but is still prone to odd device address conflict nonsense etc. # 18:26 bear i'm glad this community allows for grumpiness and let's us all have room to grump and then recover :) # 18:26 tantek e.g. upon rebooting the router, and waking my laptop: "Another device on the network is using your computer's IP address (192.168.1.101)" <-- as long as that dialog keeps showing up, I say to Apple's OSX network engineers - you suck at your job # 18:27 tantek and people who wrote OS9 and earlier AppleTalk networking code before you were better engineers than you # 18:27 voxpelli tantek: good thing discoveryd is getting reverted in 10.10.4 # 18:28 tantek pepperidgefarm: Remember when Macs had reliable networking before OSX? Pepperidge Farm remembers. eschnou joined the channel
# 18:29 tantek bear - on a serious point - the stuff that has better web based documentation is taken more seriously these days # 18:30 tantek because there is such a heap of growing bulshytt on the internet (yes, internet, beyond web) that without good documentations, citations etc. No one has time to believe anyone. # 18:31 bear that's the pain I'm feeling as an grey beard - the "lore" is being lost because it is stored in some esoteric silos # 18:31 bear and the younger generation only knows the web # 18:31 tantek bear - no one person scales. Communities are necessary. Hence better up to date web based documentation tends to be an indicator of a healthier community. # 18:31 bear yea, we are working with the xsf community to improve their web status # 18:32 tantek And majority of standards are abandoned deadends (or worse, bad timesucks) without a healthy community. # 18:32 tantek Thus the demand for easily refernceable/discoverable web docs is a good first level filter on how "good" a standard is. # 18:32 bear we (xsf) have a very healthy community - just working on getting some places setup so they can cross from xml-backend devs to web # 18:34 bear i'm in a call - I will be backfilling all of these in a bit bengo joined the channel
# 18:34 tantek thanks bear - and also very glad you are here bengo, snarfed and tvn joined the channel
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# 19:02 tantek so much of FB's UI fails for me because of all those transient network failures with SSL that cause one or more JS to not load # 19:03 tantek depending on JS, especially on an HTTPS only site, makes your site a lot more fragile # 19:03 tantek having a UI to all my content / stuff that doesn't require JS under any circumstance is a massive indieweb itch for me # 19:04 tantek I'm also convinced that anyone who can built an alternatively like that, assuming it's fast, has a chance of taking attention away from JS-dependent silos # 19:13 tantek as in one place where you can give it all to them? ;) :P interactivist and mlncn joined the channel
# 19:22 endi tantek: I think for most people it's a lot more insight/control (dare I say transparency) than they're used to having. # 19:24 endi but yeah, certainly not owning your data. perhaps it's having visitation rights to your data :p # 19:24 tantek do we have any pages on image / video formats and the challenges that folks have encountered e.g. with creating / uploading video to your own site? # 19:25 tantek "more insight/control (dare I say transparency)" == "has nice shelves" ;) # 19:25 tantek "visitation rights to your data" == "And he lets me in to see it whenever I want" # 19:26 tantek feel free to steal/copy and reply to that tweet if you wish :) # 19:27 endi oh yeah if I hadn't written that I would think it was a rip off of that :p # 19:27 tantek do Google search results still show who +1'd a post? e.g. when a post shows up in search results # 19:28 tantek wonders if there's some screenshot architve of what Google search results have looked like over the months and years. # 19:28 Loqi tantek meant to say: wonders if there's some screenshot archive of what Google search results have looked like over the months and years. # 19:29 endi I haven't seen _any_ G+ content in my searches for a while now. and I'm mostly logged in. cmhobbs joined the channel
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# 19:49 tantek and that's a few more windows closed in Firefox (and whatever reasons I had for having them open now contributed to the IndieWebCamp wiki as CC0. j12t and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
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# 20:02 tantek well, Sacca at least, and he certainly is unique enough to not just be categorized as "what investors think" # 20:03 tantek i.e. without reading the article (which I'd read before), I might have responded with something like: "sound like armchair entrepreneurs. i.e. if said investors are so smart, then they should go hire an entrepreneur in residence to build that." fkooman joined the channel
# 20:04 endi or maximum loss of control by the user? tilgovi joined the channel
# 20:05 tantek so here's the irony, if we actually get our collected *tech* together, and start scaling multiple indieweb solutions (i.e. not just the awesome work of Known / Withknown), that are all peering and federating super fast and realtime like # 20:05 tantek then Twitter's best hope for "growth" would be to federate with us LCyrin joined the channel
# 20:08 tantek things I'd like to see us get "right" before (even attempting) federating with Twitter: /vouch (or some other anti-spam equivalent), /block , and /mute # 20:09 tantek which we can prototype using our existing pseudo-federation of POSSE+backfeed # 20:09 endi personally when I saw Known as a publishing platform and brid.gy both in action working together with FB/Twitter was my 'woah' moment # 20:10 tantek endi, indeed. Known + POSSE & Bridgy backfeed with FB/Twitter is definitely quite whoaworthy. # 20:10 benwerd I would dearly love to see another scaled-up platform service in "competition" with Known, interoperating beautifully. Preferably a handful. # 20:11 endi brid.gy surprised be w/ G+; even tho I can't POSSE there brid.gy pulled +1s and comments - that was an unexpected 'it just worked?!' moment :p # 20:12 benwerd (We are working [slowly] to get Google+ POSSE released) # 20:12 endi oh no that's not a knock on Known; G+'s history with write API is just what caused the lack of expectation # 20:13 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next # 20:14 benwerd Right - we had to jump through some interesting hoops to get API access # 20:14 tantek wonders if MAUs are level or dropping (and how fast) on G+ # 20:14 benwerd They just removed G+ profiles from the navigation - my assumption is they're plummeting # 20:15 tantek benwerd, we can take Sacca's summary for Twitter and instead apply it to the IndieWeb: # 20:15 tantek 2. Make it easier for all to participate, and # 20:15 tantek 3. Make each of us on the IndieWeb feel heard and valuable. # 20:16 tantek snarfed, presto, there's your VISION for your, shamelessly stolen from Sacca with some editorial search/replace ;) ^^^ # 20:16 tantek is good at reverse engineering things, even English prose. >:D # 20:17 snarfed tantek: my vision? you mean those are the next big challenges? # 20:17 tantek snarfed: sorry, I mean your request for what are the next big challenges - at a high level VISION level bengo, benwerd, newbie|2, j12t, tantek, Guerillero|BNC, interactivist and wolftune joined the channel
# 21:30 KevinMarks the other feeling I got reading sacca's piece is that these are all things twitter already does, but have been buriend by the kinds of hands-on PM efforts he is advocating bengo joined the channel
# 21:31 cweiske kylewm, does woodwind remove h tags from posts it shows? # 21:32 kylewm cweiske: yeah it looks like it, i've been slowly expanding the list of allowed tags bengo joined the channel
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# 21:34 cweiske aaronpk, does monocle not refresh its subscriptions? # 21:35 cweiske it seems the subscription to my feed timed out, without being renewed # 21:38 bear what Jeff Jarvis is talking about on TWiG now is very related to IndieWeb - about how comments need to be more about the trusted relationship. This fits into the model I hear here often said - comments should be vouched posts from your site to others via webmentions bengo joined the channel
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# 21:42 aaronpk cweiske: yeah there's a bug right now where it's not proactively refreshing before expiration, so it only refreshes if something new has been added before the expiration # 21:49 cweiske like that TV series on that island with the bomb that had to be temporarily defused by typing in some code # 21:50 kylewm that is a frustrating aspect of PuSH, that you can't quite get rid of polling # 21:50 aaronpk because you always have to renew the subscription before it expires, which is basically a poll # 21:51 kylewm cweiske: well you haev to have some cron at least, doesn't necessarily have to fetch the site # 21:51 cweiske my hub could also set the default expiration duration to 100 years # 21:51 aaronpk yeah i built monocle with no cron, which is why i'm in this situation :) # 21:52 cweiske what does switchboard and superfeedr use as default expiration time? # 21:52 aaronpk cweiske: the problem with long expirations is if you want to change hubs, subscribers wouldn't know about it until the subscription expires # 21:53 kylewm aaronpk: you could do the check up to 1x/day when someone hits monocle.p3k.io # 21:53 aaronpk there would need to be a redirect protocol to cover that situation interactivist, gavinc and bengo joined the channel
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# 23:01 tantek packing up and heading over to MozSF HQ to setup for HWC tonight! bengo, benwerd and yakker joined the channel
# 23:17 bret or pure http streaming micropub server bengo, jjuran and wolftune joined the channel
kylewm bret: wow, good memory! alas, i didn't get very far https://github.com/kylewm/node-micropub-cli
Loqi [mention] http://stevenjamesolson.com/newbie-getting-started-on-the-indieweb/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
@solson Try to understand the indieweb http://stevenjamesolson.com/newbie-getting-started-on-the-indieweb/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/605897923788808194)
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gRegorLove Feedback on https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:one-day-event ? I think it's about ready to be used on /events. It now supports up to 10 different p-locations for an event.
KevinMarks__ I think Hugh captures the feeling that Facebook is too Public for most people whereas the web feels smaller and more intimate again
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@KimKardashian Can't wait til my website is active! I'm gonna do live video streaming so every time someone talks shit I can go blast the fuck outta them (twitter.com/_/status/605805437657583616)
KartikPrabhu probably not a good reason
petermolnar morning
cweiske I only have evidence from 2008 that UMTS users got modified data: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/Die%20tolle%20Eplus-Base%20UMTS-Internetflatrate.htm
LanceyWork good morning
tantek.com edited /silo (+138) "/* Silo Innovations */ note FriendFeed innovation of "likes", rough temporal order" (view diff)
aaronpk i think movim doesn't want to promote XMPP, but they are clearly based on it https://movim.eu/how
bret I'm probably just going to put my time into getting https://github.com/moose-team/friends to work better. the swarm fell apart when the the bootstrapping servers crashed
jonnybarnes I have prosody running on my vps
bear.im created /Prosody (+269) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-03/line/1433353130001" (view diff)
@voxpelli @jaredhanson +1, hopefully movements like @indiewebcamp can make it like that again (twitter.com/_/status/606162676750925825)
@shuilaam Google Creates One-Stop Privacy and Security Shop #ownyourdata http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/82126.html?rss=1&utm_content=buffera8a55&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/606176318078787586)
loqi.me created /+1_Button (+191) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-03/line/1433359922128 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
benwerd Really interesting insight into what investors think silos should do: http://lowercasecapital.com/2015/06/03/what-twitter-can-be-2/ Note that reverse-chronological timelines and limiting content to the accounts you're following are seen as weaknesses.