#indiewebcamp 2015-06-09

2015-06-09 UTC
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tantek does anyone here post recipes on their blog?
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tantek !tell ttepasse still trying to understand what you *do* want users to do, rather than *do not*. E.g. do you want users to link to your posts? If so, do you have preferred link text you'd like them to use? Are you ok with short quotations but not long? Etc.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek what is a recipe?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "recipe" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=recipe&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-08%2Fline%2F1433808127827
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tantek apparently not.
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aaronpk i've been experimenting
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/tag/recipe
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aaronpk longer example with a picture http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/01/27/3/cookie
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aaronpk short example http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/06/1/recipe
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aaronpk cocktail recipe: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/02/19/2/cocktail-recipe
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tantek wow a note that is a recipe - cool
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tantek wonder if there is any way to auto-markup that ;)
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aaronpk i was kind of thinking that while writing these
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aaronpk it's like a microsyntax for recipes
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aaronpk first line = recipe name, bullet list = ingredients, text below = directions
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tantek aaronpk: interesting that your cocktail recipe example has a name, and yet you did not post it as an article with a name
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tantek I'd say since (or when) recipes have names, they should be articles
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aaronpk that is mostly a side effect of my posting interface plus the fact that I didn't want these in my /articles feed
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tantek with extra h-recipe markup inside
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aaronpk which is another reason for the Great Refactor of 2015
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tantek 1. your posting interface should be/stay simple, and your backend should be smart enough to mark it up as a recipe post
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tantek and 2. "the fact that I didn't want these in my /articles feed" is reason to markup the recipes so they don't get included in that by default!
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aaronpk yes, this is all just internal architecture issues that prevent me from doing that right now
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tantek still, the unofficial examples are a good start
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kylewm common format for food blogs is 1. very long rambling story, 2. recipe 3. pictures
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tantek A recipe is special kind of post, that typically has a name, like [[articles]] do, a list of ingredients, and a list of instructions for making something, usually [[food]] or drink.
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loqi.me created /recipe (+206) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-08/line/1433808127827 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks reading scrollback from earlier
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KevinMarks Slack reads OGP
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KevinMarks as does Apple now
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KevinMarks or rather they will
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kylewm everyone get a generic globe for this link or just me? http://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=twitter.com
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KevinMarks i think that thing only supports the old syntax
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tantek finds https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/01/27/1/cookie
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tantek KevinMarks: do you ever post recipes on your own site or blog(s)?
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KevinMarks don't think so
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KevinMarks i search fro them a lot
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kylewm offers his old cooking blog http://hardly-starving.blogspot.com/
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tantek.com edited /recipe (+1000) "expand with stub why, how, and indieweb examples with aaronpk" (view diff)
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KevinMarks license as part of the post - noun project has that
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KevinMarks and also canva.com shows license cost in the image browser
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KevinMarks maureen did a whole book of recipes that fit ina tweet
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tantek hey that's a nice looking savory muffin kylewm
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tantek.com edited /recipe (+124) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ kylewm" (view diff)
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KevinMarks recipe microsyntax https://twitter.com/cookbook
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KevinMarks and spec: http://cookbookglossary.pbworks.com/w/page/9614902/FrontPage
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KevinMarks so could expand those into h-recipe
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KevinMarks :D
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tantek perhaps document that microsyntax on the microformats.org/wiki/picoformats page?
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tantek or at least link to it
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sandro tantek, did you see jasnell's argument re microformats in the as2 spec? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-socialweb/2015Jun/0009.html
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tantek hey sandro - yeah - I both understand his perspective, and am disappointed by the outcome.
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tantek editing specs is hard, shorter specs are better, and yet, removing all sense of attempting a pragmatic bridge was throwing out the baby with the bathwater
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tantek kind of leaves no choice but to propose alternative spec to AS2
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sandro Hmmm, You saw elf's suggestion of having other syntaxes be in companion documents? I'm still trying to understand how we were going to get any multi-syntax interop.
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bengo Has anyone in mf2 community mapped it's 'nouns' (e.g. Note, Entry) to those in the current draft vocab?
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sandro like, what's the Best Case scenario for using multiple syntaxes?
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tantek a companion document seems a roundabout way for authors/developers looking to do minimum pragmatic interop work
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tantek an alternative spec would be based on what people are actually publishing, instead of what a past group (as much as AS was its own group/mailing-list/community) brainstormed, and got mutated into enterprise linked data largesse
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sandro chuckles at "largesse"
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sandro Is there some way the two specs could work together, instead of just fork everything?
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tantek sandro: hence why I pushed for inclusion of microformats examples right there inline in one spec
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tantek aside: citing "hundreds of examples" = largesse
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sandro But, I don't see how having the microformats examples was supposed to provide interop -- whether its in the same spec or not.
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tantek sandro - do you have any suggestions for the divergence in technology development methodologies? (real world pragmatic, what people are actually publishing on their own sites as part of what they do, contrast with enterprise aspirational, only test examples)
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tantek the examples in the same spec interop was supposed at least provide some semblance of an equivalence that publishers / consuming code could look at
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bengo The best point of interop is at the vocab/semantics level and not the serialization level (e.g. JSON/HTML). If the former is done (by mapping mf2 entities to the AS2 vocab or vice-versa), the latter is someone trivial to do in an exemplary way
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bengo *somewhat
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tantek bengo - huge oversimplification
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tantek hence why I pointed out the divergence in technology development methodologies
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sandro re divergence, I kind of figure the two approaches meet up an Candidate Recommendation, when even the Enterprise folks have to implement everything.
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tantek bengo - for example, we've demonstrated here (#indiewebcamp) that not only is there no need for verbs (which the WG did actually accept last year at TPAC), but there is no need for a separate notion of "activities"
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sandro I guess I don't see how a "semblance of equivalence" is very helpful. I mean, I guess it's better than competing standards that have no semblance of equivalence, but it's not nearly as good as one standard, right?
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tantek not to mention bikeshedding "author" into "actor"
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tantek sandro - no, it is better than "one standard" because at least with multiple approaches there is a chance for iteration and improvement
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tantek whereas with one uber standard that everyone needs their pet features in, you get bloat and unimplementability
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bengo I agree with your first post there, but it's not really a 'for example' of how I was oversimplying
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tantek or a very high bar for implementability, and thus only enterprise solutions, which is again, bad for the market (but good for enterprise coffers)
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bengo All I care about is that the AS2 draft is super useful to the projects I get paid for and mf2 is only useful for about 1/10th of the applications
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tantek there really is a tension between small minimal standards, and standards that enterprises and all their customers "want" (i.e. don't actually know if they need or not)
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tantek bengo - if such uses exist, you can help by documenting the use-cases
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bengo Throwing DOMEvents to my customers: http://livefyre.github.io/activity-vocabulary/
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bengo in JS/JSON
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tantek part of the problem with AS2 now (and why current mf2 approaches are much smaller) is that there aren't the real world use-cases to justify AS2
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bengo not HTML
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bengo https://github.com/gobengo/dom-activity
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tantek bengo - HTML is just the foundational language of communication on the web, you can have the JSON version if you want - as defined by microformats2 parsing and implemented by multiple parsers
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sandro *nod* Hmmmm. Could the idea of a Core + Modules address this, tantek?
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bengo (ignorance) Is there a formally specified JSON representation of mf2? I was under the impression that each parser parsed to a different set of keys?
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tantek sandro - theoretically core + modules could help, if had a chance of agreeing on what a minimal core would be
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sandro mf2 as the core?
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sandro (not that I'm proposing that, just exploring)
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tantek bengo yes! formally specified JSON representation of mf2: http://the divergence in technology development methodologies
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tantek ugh copy fail
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tantek bengo: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing
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tantek parsers implement that algorithm and output the same set of keys (modulo any issues/proposals in progress), tested with a test suite
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tantek sandro - bengo is right that the vocab is key for a minimal core, based on perhaps mf2 vocabs e.g. what we're using with h-entry etc.
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bengo @tantek Thanks for link. I'll research.
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tantek bengo - this was one of the requirements for mf2 - since 2009!
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tantek to have canonical JSON output
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bengo With that, it seems very possible to create a @context for that JSON structure and then you have interop mf2->AS
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bengo at semantic level
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tantek maybe - again, we're using Atom semantics via h-entry, while AS2 diverged from Atom semantics and made up a bunch of its own
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bengo JSON->HTML always has many ways to do, which is maybe what James got frustrated with
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sandro bengo, I think the problem is that mf2 and as2 model the world differently. Different words (vocab), different concepts. The syntax differences are easy to handle in comparison.
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tantek sandro - even h-entry started with Atom semantics (and terms) as a "core" and added "modules" to it, like replies, likes, photos
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tantek sandro, so you might say we've already been taking a core + modules approach
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tantek because yes, that's a more practical approach
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tantek JSON->HTML usually doesn't make much sense, it's one of the problems of JSON, you lose too much context
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tantek but that's ok, we'll be debating some other context-lossy format alternative in 5-10 years
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sandro sure, the question is whether the as2 folks can live with some reorganization that gives a common core than mf2 also can live with.
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tantek sandro - I'm not sure, as the only "as2 folks" that transitioned from the group that invented and developed AS/AS2, into Social Web WG, is IBM (and James)
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tantek all the other participants in AS have given up
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tantek none of the authors of the original AS spec, or leaders in the AS group/mailing-list actually have activity streams on their own sites, or work on anything related any more
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tantek only James is left carrying the torch for AS :(
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sandro I agree the lack of others is disappointing. How would you characterize Evan/activitypump's use of AS2? "fantasy"?
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tantek no, pragmatic attempt at re-use at the closest thing to what he wants
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tantek because he's likely tired of specs/formats/protocols arguments/discussions
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sandro so, is he not then an AS2 user like James?
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tantek he's also so good of an implementer, that despite the specs being hard or complex, he'll likely be able to implement them, but that's not actually useful to "standards" in the long term
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tantek e.g. what happened with Salmon
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tantek sandro - no he's not
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tantek he's using the AS/JSON not AS2 IIRC
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tantek because that's as far as the previous group got
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tantek I was thinking of trying to implement that myself just to try to get my site to interop with pump.io
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tantek and gain experience with it - to hopefully figure out how to easily convert mf2 h-entry to pump.io AS/JSON
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sandro My understanding is pump.io uses as1 and activitypump, intended to replace pump.io, is slated to use as2.
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tantek !tell gRegorLove: next time anyone (designers, UX) tell you that we need "simpler" dates on the IndieWebCamp wiki events, and propose US-centric things like Month Day, Year etc., please show them https://twitter.com/amazingmap/status/599931666803597312 and tell them IndieWebCamp is global, not US-only.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sandro I need to run... to be continued.
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tantek sandro - the "slated to use" is something I've never understood
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gRegorLove Am I forgetting some context on dates?
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 47 seconds ago: next time anyone (designers, UX) tell you that we need "simpler" dates on the IndieWebCamp wiki events, and propose US-centric things like Month Day, Year etc., please show them https://twitter.com/amazingmap/status/599931666803597312 and tell them IndieWebCamp is global, not US-only. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-08/line/1433812361595
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tantek I expect to see more convergence between activitypump and micropub first
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gRegorLove ^tantek
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tantek gRegorLove: yes - the Great Wiki Redesign of 2014 that as part of it had redone the Events page for US-centric dates
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tantek complaining that ISO Dates were "too hard" or "confusing" or something
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tantek really tired of arguing with US-centric designers that their Month Day, Year dates suck for any kind of global community
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gRegorLove Oh, https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/11 probably
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gRegorLove So I guess that's your feedback for /Template:one-day-event :)
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tantek and "09 April 2014" confuses US folks
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tantek we have to admit/accept that 1) we have an international community in IndieWebCamp, and 2) there's still a big critical mass of that community in the US
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tantek so both Month Day, Year and Day Month Year are not acceptable as a result
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tantek the best (least worst) option is to go with what's most internationally understandable and least confusing across the set of folks the community interacts with and that's ISO dates.
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tantek see also http://tantek.com/2013/227/t1/xkcd-use-iso-8601-dates
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gRegorLove That template wasn't part of the Great Wiki Redesign though, just something I'd started working on before
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tantek gRegorLove: yeah that github issue was likely it - thought I saw it as part of the great redesign which is why I think I collapsed the two. commented on the issue with those citations.
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gRegorLove I can change that in the template easily enough. Want all the digits the same size, or still emphasize the dd a bit more than yyyy mm?
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kylewm wait, ActivityPump is a replacement for pump.io?
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tantek kylewm: hard to tell. I tend to look at what people are shipping today, rather than what's rumored to be a replacement tomorrow.
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gRegorLove Maybe "yyyy-mm" acorss the top in the regular font size, dd on the line underneath, larger?
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gRegorLove experiments
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kylewm I'll be shocked if they backport a new AS spec/vocab to pump.io
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tantek kylewm: who knows, I was pretty shocked by the reset-button on statusnet myself
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kylewm would be great to see development on pump restart though
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tantek kylewm: I'm curious about what use-cases pump solves for you
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+391) (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+0) "/* Testing date display */" (view diff)
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acegiak GWG: While we're discussing it, can we get an update to timestamp display in MF2_s for ISO8601?
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kylewm tantek: I used it for a while as a social network, liked it pretty well. and I think it would be a good foundation to build a personal site on
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kylewm i mean it's basically like Known with a reader, without indieweb interop?
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gRegorLove tantek: Still trying to keep it in a square box. Thoughts? https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox#Testing_date_display
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tantek kylewm: yeah, Known with an integrated reader the way pump.io does would be sweet
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tantek you and several others are way ahead on building indie-readers, I hope someone manages to integrate one into their own site in a integrated-reader approach like pump and other social networks
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tantek gRegorLove: I don't know about the vertical displays - especially internationally
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tantek ISO Dates work best as plain text all in a row horizontally. as soon as you start messing with that, all bets are off
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kylewm oh, pump also has ACLs and following/follower relationships, that is kind of a big difference
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tantek e.g. see what W3C does - I'm not convinced these are any better either: http://www.w3.org/participate/eventscal.html
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kylewm totally agree it would be great to bring some of that into our projects
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tantek kylewm: yes - as did statusnet before it
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tantek which is why I'm a bit surprised by all the changeover
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kylewm my understanding is that statusnet was basically just too expensive to scale
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kylewm (identi.ca that is)
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tantek that doesn't make sense - shouldn't the answer be lots of smaller servers?
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kylewm and he runs pump for a fraction of the cost
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tantek not just one site?
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gRegorLove Well, do we even need a separate date listed on the left then? My initial concept was a larger visual cue when scanning the list to see when the events are. The ISO date is already listed beside "When" so maybe drop the square icon
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kylewm but that didn't really happen with statusnet right? people mostly used identica i thought
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tantek right, it was too difficult to build something that interoperated with it
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gRegorLove (As much as I like the square icon)
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tantek identica/statusnet became its own monoculture
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tantek despite trying really hard to be based on open standards (OStatus stack)
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tantek what is OStatus?
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Loqi OStatus is a suite of protocols for distributed social networking: https://indiewebcamp.com/OStatus
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tantek openness is insufficient to avoid monoculture, you can have a completely open but very hard to implement set of protocols/formats, which will result in few or maybe only one implementation
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tantek gRegorLove: the calendar / date "badges" do look pretty cool
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tantek I just don't know the best way to make them internationally understandable
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tantek sorry for not being more helpful about that
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gRegorLove No worries. I'll think about it some more and play around with ideas.
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gRegorLove And probably get back to my own site in the meantime. :)
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tantek :)
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kylewm Acegiak: did you already implement sending webmentions upstream when you receive a comment?
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bengo tantek is there a similar doc to http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing but for that parsing to a 'default' HTML rendering? Wouldn't be as useful but just checking.
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tantek nothing like that no
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bengo kk jc
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tantek someone could certainly write one - and you could even markup the JSON pretty-printed out put with microformats to have a fully-round-trippable JSON pretty print
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tantek s/out put/output
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Loqi tantek meant to say: someone could certainly write one - and you could even markup the JSON pretty-printed output with microformats to have a fully-round-trippable JSON pretty print
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bengo Totally. I hadn't seen that jasnell intends to remove mf2 from the AS Vocab draft until sandro posted earlier (http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-08/line/1433810659786), which is kind of a bummer.
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bengo Makes me want to take up his challenge of "What I would strongly encourage is for those members of the WG who
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bengo have an interest in the Microformats syntax to produce a draft Note
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bengo that details the mapping of the AS2 vocabulary to the Microformats
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bengo model, with correct examples. I do not have the time to help edit such
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bengo a draft Note."
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bengo Can't promise, but I may start something to help with that
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bengo Regardless of whether w3vocab is 'good' or 'bad' in the conventions it lands on, The web ought to have an mf2->w3vocab thing
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tantek !tell bengo why not help make w3vocab just not suck in the first place?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak kylewm: I think I did?
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acegiak I just don't have the skills to implement the parsing of child comments
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tantek when did Branch.com shutdown?!?
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kylewm Acegiak: I'll try to implement receiving downstream comments so we can test
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tantek wow that just happened a few days ago!
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tantek I'll leaving you tonight for now with http://branch.com/b/why-are-silos-beating-the-light-out-of-an-open-social-web and the cached version:
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tantek http://206.190.45.150/search/srpcache?p=why+are+silos+beating+the+light+out+of+an+open+social+web&ei=UTF-8&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=mozilla&fr=yhs-mozilla-001&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=why+are+silos+beating+the+light+out+of+an+open+social+web&d=4551988199164832&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=l5Ltymht6BMWAVH-u6fXDTTeAv5YXSpR&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=DV6Bf5mnMjim5Xmn2iUNAw--
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acegiak kylewm: neat
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tantek and my indieweb reply http://tantek.com/2013/073/b1/silos-vs-open-social-web which as predicted: "(where it will likely last longer than this branch post)"
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gRegorLove That branch.com cache link doesn't work for me.
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gRegorLove https://web.archive.org/web/20140731143212/http://branch.com/b/why-are-silos-beating-the-light-out-of-an-open-social-web
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Loqi slack/snarfed: acegiaj kylewm can't wait to see the comment propagation!
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Loqi slack/snarfed: s/j/k/
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GWG acegiak: Can you add it as an issue so I don't forget? I'm ob holiday and ny coding is sporadic.
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acegiak GWG: can do
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GWG acegiak: Add as many suggestions as come up as issues. Gives me something to do.
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GWG My next project is mf2_s.
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kylewm GWG: acegiak: I filed an issue on Post Kinds about repost markup: https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/issues/24
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GWG I still assumed that reposts would have the content in the content box.
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kylewm GWG: i don't know what that means. does wordpress make my suggestion difficult to implement?
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acegiak kylewm: I thought I was preserving html?
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acegiak maybe the class is wrong?
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kylewm acegiak: look at h-entry>repost-of>content on here http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Facegiak.net%2F2015%2F06%2F09%2Flookbookdotnubroken-arrow-by-lolita-mas%2F
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kylewm it gets flattened to plain text because it's p-content instead of e-content, but the suggestion to put h-cite inside the outer e-content is more radical
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GWG kylewm: I was commenting that. acegiak wasn't using it the way I thought, so I have to adapt to that.
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GWG But I will try a few things
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acegiak hmm ok I see
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acegiak h-cite is not part of the post content and shouldn't be stacked that way in the dom
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GWG acegiak: Time for a custom template for reposts.
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kylewm acegiak: sanity check -- I do not need to change anything about webmention handling except parsing a reply should pull in comments on it too?
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kylewm GWG: any reason not to always use e-content for h-cite?
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acegiak kylewm: that's all I'm thinking, yeah
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GWG kylewm: Inside the h-cite?
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acegiak makes sense to me
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tantek quick post about Branch in response to my colleageu @brianoberkirch: https://twitter.com/t/status/608143971206848512
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@t @brianoberkirch 2y ago you posted @Branch, I replied on my site “where it will likely last longer”. It did: http://tantek.com/2015/159/t1/branch-replied-my-site-last-longer (twitter.com/_/status/608143971206848512)
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tantek s/colleague
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tantek !tell kylewm SF location for 2015-06-17 confirmed! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club#Where could you create an indie event and FB POSS copy for the SF event? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@t I too am “of the web” per @adactio https://adactio.com/journal/9016 Also the #indieweb because silos die, like @Branch: http://tantek.com/2015/159/t2/of-the-indieweb-because-silos-die (twitter.com/_/status/608157213488578560)
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tantek !tell adactio looks like my addition of timezone to my dt-published caused a datetime parse error on your site when I webmention one of your posts from a reply: https://adactio.com/journal/9016#comment19204
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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csarven tantek http://tantek.com/2013/073/b1/silos-vs-open-social-web is good stuff.
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tantek !tell adactio you may need to update your microformats parser phpmf2 to the latest version, as the test parser on pin13 (which also uses phpmf2) has no problem with my permalink and dt-published: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://tantek.com/2015/159/t2/of-the-indieweb-because-silos-die
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek thanks csarven
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@gericci RT @t: I too am “of the web” per @adactio https://adactio.com/journal/9016 Also the #indieweb because silos die, like @Branch: http://tantek.com/2015/159/t2/of-the-indieweb-because-silos-die (twitter.com/_/status/608161162673459200)
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csarven Is anyone using hFeed -> Atom/RSS or is that oldskool nowadays?
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tantek !tell dym_cx re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-06/line/1433623439412 use p-category on your h-card to tag yourself, what you're about, your interests etc. simple flat folksonomy, and a "good enough" publishing solution to the "find me people into the same things" use-case.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@adonaldson RT @t: I too am “of the web” per @adactio https://adactio.com/journal/9016 Also the #indieweb because silos die, like @Branch: http://tantek.com/2015/159/t2/of-the-indieweb-because-silos-die (twitter.com/_/status/608174355303047168)
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@matthillco On Silos vs an Open Social Web [#indieweb] https://web.archive.org/web/20140702015413/http://tantek.com/2013/073/b1/silos-vs-open-social-web?utm_content=buffer2b126&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Ironic that the original Branch post is now dead. Own your data! (twitter.com/_/status/608180195753902080)
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acegiak kylewm: if you're still up I just approved that comment, did the webmention go through?
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acegiak otherwise I'll try again with an update
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acegiak I'll send an update one now and see
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acegiak update sent
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acegiak !tell kylewm well that's not worked :/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG acegiak: If you want Iso8601, what about the time?
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GWG Hello, pfefferle
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pfefferle good morning GWG
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Loqi pfefferle: Zegnat left you a message 6 days, 11 hours ago: Thank you for the links this morning, /Impressum is now a thing! I have linked you as one of the IndieWeb Examples, hope that is OK? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-02/line/1433280494541
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GWG pfefferle: I'm still thinking about the notifications. Does that belong in webmentions, semantic linkbacks or both?
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pfefferle GWG hmmm, I think both… perhaps the semantic linkbacks plugin can disable the webmention one, if both are installed
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pfefferle something like remove_action/remove_filter or so
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GWG pfefferle: I've been getting a lot of notifications due to my recent post increase. Given me time to think about
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@CryptoPartyLE Alternative Soziale Netzwerke und Cloudsysteme. Unsere CryptoParty, morgen 19 Uhr im @sublab https://privatsphaere-leipzig.org/2015/06/07/cryptoparty-15-4-2015-beginn-19-00-uhr-westwerksublab-2/ (tr) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/608236538355433473)
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@fakebaldur RT @matthillco: On Silos vs an Open Social Web [#indieweb] https://web.archive.org/web/20140702015413/http://tantek.com/2013/073/b1/silos-vs-open-social-web?utm_content=buffer2b126&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Ironic that the original Branch post is now dead. Own you… (twitter.com/_/status/608251969933836288)
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Loqi [mention] Marco Arment reshared a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/posse (http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7797/1/6/)
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kylewm !tell acegiak ok fixed some issues on my side, but now I'm having trouble parsing your replies. you probably don't want to mark up the header as e-content, and probably do want to add "p-comment h-cite" to comments
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 5 minutes ago: SF location for 2015-06-17 confirmed! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club#Where could you create an indie event and FB POSS copy for the SF event? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-08/line/1433830151498
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Loqi kylewm: acegiak left you a message 6 hours, 55 minutes ago: well that's not worked :/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-09/line/1433837914264
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dym_cx is ".p-language" an acceptable microformats class for spoken/witen languages on h-card/h-resume?
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Loqi dym_cx: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 12 minutes ago: re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-06/line/1433623439412 use p-category on your h-card to tag yourself, what you're about, your interests etc. simple flat folksonomy, and a "good enough" publishing solution to the "find me people into the same things" use-case. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-09/line/1433833360661
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kylewm interesting that Loqi interpreted that post above as Marco Arment resharing
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kylewm when instead it is a post that contains an embeded tweet from Marco Arment
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aaronpk kylewm: yeah, haven't figured out why
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aaronpk there is a child h-entry which is a repost-of marco's post
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Zegnat dym_cx, re: p-language, maybe use h-resume’s p-skill? (Also, #microformats might be the place to discuss that.)
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dym_cx Zegnat, ok i ask on #microformats as well
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp!
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snarfed hey tantek
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LanceyWork kylewm, just noticed a sort-of-bug with the way i was parsing contexts. sent a new pull request that should alleviate it
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Zegnat good morning tantek
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tantek !tell dym_cx re: spoken/written languages - I believe "skill" was proposed for h-resume, no examples so far of publishing that info on an h-card AFAIK - what's the URL to your personal site with h-card?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat tantek: http://logs.glob.uno/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=today#c81048
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tantek thanks Zegnat! was just checking that
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/adfskitteh/status/608305409091338240
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@adfskitteh "If you manage usernames & pwds, you are a toxic waste farmer. Do your business partners understand that risk? Does your board?" #CISID15 (twitter.com/_/status/608305409091338240)
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dym_cx tantek, Zegnat: ok, made a compromise and used ".p-skill-language", also i tried out http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdym.cx and
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Loqi dym_cx: tantek left you a message 16 minutes ago: re: spoken/written languages - I believe "skill" was proposed for h-resume, no examples so far of publishing that info on an h-card AFAIK - what's the URL to your personal site with h-card? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-09/line/1433865883264
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dym_cx ...and .h-card on <body> fails
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tantek dym_cx: also in mf2, when you're using an experimental property like that (which expect others to also experiment with, perhaps eventually make standard), use -x- before the name, but after the p
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tantek e.g. p-x-skill-language
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dym_cx wouldnt p-x-language be better, in cases of just pointing out the language some article is written in?
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bret what is the purpose of the -x- prefix again?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "purpose of the -x- prefix again" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=purpose+of+the+-x-+prefix+again&summary=prompted+by+bret+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-09%2Fline%2F1433867066948
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Zegnat dym_cx, if you just want to notice the language of content use of the lang attribute seems enough to me
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, need to decide on a name for my indieauth implementation
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ben_thatmustbeme and URL
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aaronpk oh you're running it as a service?
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ben_thatmustbeme i will be
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aaronpk nice
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ben_thatmustbeme running on the same server as mine to start, just on a different domain
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ben_thatmustbeme well... it is a service now really, anyone can use it if they want, but its not SSL
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ben_thatmustbeme and it would be better on its own site
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gRegorLove How about "thatmustbeauth" :)
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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tantek nowthatswhaticallauth
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gRegorLove Hehe
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oddvar icantbelieveitsauth
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ben_thatmustbeme sounds like the compilation cds
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Zegnat indieauthisstrongwiththisone
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gRegorLove That's what I thought too
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aaronpk is there a .ne TLD?
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Zegnat according to Wikipedia there is
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dym_cx itsa.me
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Zegnat aaronpk: ccTLD for Niger
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Zegnat Only 412 USD, according to one registrar
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ben_thatmustbeme i was trying to find rhymes with auth, like Slauth, and then just do a backronym for the SL part.... but slauth is a thing for second life auth
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dym_cx knights who say .ne
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: what was that TLD that gives domains for life?
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ben_thatmustbeme what random country?
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aaronpk .ro
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aaronpk romania
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aaronpk but... http://indiewebcamp.com/short-domains#ro
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aaronpk "The registration is 51,26$+VAT(24%), one-time payment. There is no yearly fee at present. When yearly fee will be introduced, you will be informed."
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ben_thatmustbeme amber recommends against getting a .ro but then link doesn't explain at all
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aaronpk it was a comment she made during a demo
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Loqi slack/zero-gravitas: <http://ruh.ro|ruh.ro>
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh, reasoning?
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aaronpk i think just because the hassle of getting it plus the uncertaintly of the registration fee
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ben_thatmustbeme there is a .th TLD
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ben_thatmustbeme ....au.th
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aaronpk !!!
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ben_thatmustbeme awww.... only .in.th
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Zegnat auth.in.th/e/house
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dym_cx 2-letter domains are not for purchase b/c of possible overlap with counties TLDs see the .uk.co fiasco
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dym_cx is indie.web a valid url? i mean is .web a thing?
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aaronpk .website is a thing
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ben_thatmustbeme auth.ninja
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ben_thatmustbeme auth.ooo
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tantek ^^^ you're just asking for squatters to take those to get the indiewebcamp domain link juice huh?
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tantek from the archives
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, damn
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ben_thatmustbeme good point
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Loqi hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme hahaha... i love TLDs somtimes
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dym_cx auth.bar
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Loqi awesome
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ben_thatmustbeme .red those who like the colour red
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dym_cx wolf.red for Grimm lovers
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dym_cx who got the http://indieweb.camp/ ?
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aaronpk oh xtof did
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dym_cx cool
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dym_cx indie.diet :D
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aaronpk auth.porn <-- perfect
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dym_cx login.global
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dym_cx auth.porn soundns like "authentic porn"
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aaronpk fine, login.porn
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dym_cx :thumbsup:
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dym_cx free.land
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dym_cx facebook.rehab
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dym_cx or more general silo.rehab
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aaronpk auth.casino ... logs you in as a random person
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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ben_thatmustbeme you have to keep trying until you randomly get access to your own account
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/2015/06/homebrew-website-club linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-03-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/2015/06/homebrew-website-club linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/101890076819383#752883204006 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] Kyle Mahan RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/101890076819383#12802152)
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snarfed whee! PSA: https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/39
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aaronpk haha thanks
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tantek you mean this? https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/44
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@jarofgreen @rhiaro Just noticed @OpenTechCal birthday is day before #indiewebcamp :-) (twitter.com/_/status/608361607907930112)
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tantek aaronpk, btw IndieWebCamp 2015 Brighton site has 25 people now!
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tantek (I mean, that's awesome, and way to put the pressure on us here in Pacific Time :) )
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snarfed tantek: 44 would be nice too! i did actually mean 39 though, for clustering, to collapse floods into a single msg per X minutes
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GWG (I need to double my efforts in NYC I guess)
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tantek snarfed - different kind of clustering though - not sure if that matters
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GWG tantek: As it is on-topic, what alternative would you suggest for the h-as-* properties?
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tantek e.g. one post linking to many IWC URls
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tantek vs. many posts linking to the same IWC URL
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tantek 39 is about the former
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tantek 44 sounded like it was more about the latter in particular for invitations but perhaps I misunderstood
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snarfed ah, i see. i think 39 is actually about the latter, but the example in it is wrong
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tantek GWG, the alternative to h-as-* classnames is ""
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snarfed (iirc aaronpk has confirmed this before)
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snarfed oh actually the language is for multi target too
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snarfed i think in aaronpk's head it applies to both multi source and multi target. i'll ask him to clarify.
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tantek ok cool, as long as both get fixed :)
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snarfed (also i think 44 isn't about clustering at all, either direction, but just about nicer msg text)
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kylewm GWG: wordpress question. does Post Kinds also determine mf2 markup on comments?
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GWG kylewm: No.
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GWG There are a variety of different contributors.
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GWG Any site in particular?
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kylewm yours and acegiak's, I want the comments to be wrapped with p-comment h-cite
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kylewm e.g. https://david.shanske.com/2015/06/09/leaving-kibbutz-lavi/
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Loqi gives kylewm the comments to be wrapped with p
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kylewm comments are currently "children" of the parent h-entry, it'd be useful to me if they were in the "comment" property
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GWG kylewm: That would be an issue to file against mf2_s then
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tantek oh yeah! that would also provide more citable examples for the "p-comment" proposal in h-entry
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GWG It's on my list to fix. I had superseded it with the Semantic Comments plugin which did do it as you noted, but had to disable that because the solution was problematic for other reasons.
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Crimlo Gs up Hoes downnn!
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tantek which makes me realize I should ask, is anyone marking up the responses to their posts with p-comment or u-like or u-repost?
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Crimlo fuck your post
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tantek Crimlo - that's not very nice, are you here for working on your own website?
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Crimlo yes
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Crimlo i am
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Crimlo but i troll a channel everytime i enter
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tantek just FYI - we do have a code-of-conduct: https://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct
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Crimlo is that a problem?
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Crimlo oh
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Crimlo sorry, i had no idea
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tantek np - just wanted to be clear about that - I know it's not necessarily obvious.
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Crimlo well knowing is half the battle
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GWG kylewm: It's actually a priority for me to fix the markup. And since acegiak uses a child theme of the mf2_s starter theme, that should trickle down
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kylewm great
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snarfed tantek: i think some of us do that response markup
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GWG tantek: Re your question, are you?
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snarfed e.g. i have p-comment and h-as-[like,repost,etc] on https://kylewm.com/services/mf2?url=https://snarfed.org/2015-06-04_what-doesnt-kill-my-baby
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tantek GWG, unfortunately my posts are in general bereft of responses (displayed at least - I know there are plenty in queue at webmention.io)
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snarfed (no u-in-reply-to, u-like-of, etc since the comments don't have links to the post)
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kylewm adds u-like and u-repost so he can say yes
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GWG https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/blob/master/semantic-linkbacks.php#L405
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tantek and the other question is, are those too similar to u-like-of and u-repost-of and thus confusing?
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GWG I'm prepared to file an issue against this code suggesting it be amended if that is where the breeze is blowing
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GWG That would change snarfed's as well
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kylewm tantek: I think they're confusing comment vs. reply, like vs. like-of, repost vs. repost-of, but I think any other alternative would be confusing too...
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tantek right, hence the question of how useful is it at all to add p-comment, u-like, u-repost markup at all
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tantek i.e. what are the use-cases for consuming it? readers?
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kylewm glad you asked!
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tantek would rather avoid extra markup, especially if it could/does cause confusion
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GWG Counting the number of likes is often a part of reader display
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kylewm last night I implemented acegiak's salmentions proposal ... for pulling in downstream comments (replies to replies)
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tantek whoa!
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tantek oh dear what are salmentions?
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snarfed (kylewm took the words out of my mouth. yay upstream comment propagation!)
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snarfed kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 175 karma
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kylewm tantek: I thought there was a more concrete proposal somewhere, but https://acegiak.net/2015/06/09/not-necessarily-threaded-comments-like-reddit-but-i-think-theres-broad-consensus-that-if-you-reply-to-a-reply-it-would-be/
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kylewm also +1 GWG's suggestion to have readers display {like, repost, ,comment} count
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kylewm (thanks snarfed)
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aaronpk monocle displays like,repost,reply count!
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GWG aaronpk: But how do you extract them?
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aaronpk from the markup on the post
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aaronpk like when my post shows likes and such, monocle counts the number of likes on the page
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aaronpk so it won't see downstream comments unless the site shows them
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kylewm using u-like, u-repost, p-comment?
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aaronpk yeah
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GWG So, there is a use case for u-like then
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tantek what is p-comment
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "p-comment" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=p-comment&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-09%2Fline%2F1433881494720
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tantek what is u-like
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "u-like" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=u-like&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-09%2Fline%2F1433881525547
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ could you stub with your use-case?
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tantek what is u-repost
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "u-repost" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=u-repost&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-09%2Fline%2F1433881551601
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aaronpk oh is nobody else consuming those yet?
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GWG kylewm: I just remembered why I tabled the comments issue
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aaronpk i thought it was part of comments-presentation to mark up the received comments with "like" "comment" and "repost" properties
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GWG I think it may be now.
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tantek aaronpk yes - just wanting more documentation, and a place to provide specific use-cases for each as well as indieweb examples of each
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vanderven.se martijn created /Safari_Extensions (+1686) "“wow that’s nuts” —tantek" (view diff)
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tantek lol
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Zegnat what are safari extensions?
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Loqi Safari Extensions are self contained packages of HTML and JavaScript that modify the Safari browser https://indiewebcamp.com/Safari_Extensions
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Zegnat Cool, didn’t mess up with the dfn this time
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snarfed oh wow, i just noticed instagram's big web redesign
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snarfed (maybe old news)
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KevinMarks wow, no text at all
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Zegnat Wait, Instagram has a redesign?
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KevinMarks https://instagram.com/explore/tags/indieweb/
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retout.co.uk edited /2015/Brighton (+278) "/* Participating */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks so it is now really the anti http://www.pestagram.com/
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KevinMarks http://www.pestagram.com/tag/indieweb
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KevinMarks though they don't make venues clockable http://www.pestagram.com/loc/4392034
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kylewm GWG: why'd you table the comments issue?
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Jeena Hi everyone, so I'm in Portland for the next 5 weeks and I would love to meet up during one of those Homebrew website club meetings
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aaronpk Jeena: hi!
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Jeena I found http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc#Where but under Portland it still says TBD
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aaronpk it usually is until very last minute :P
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aaronpk happy to pick a place right now tho!
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Jeena and I still haven't had the time to implement RSVP into my website, ...
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Jeena I have a coworker who is kind of interested in this stuff too, at least he has his own website and he liked the concept of notes on my website
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Crimlo Jeena i can do that for you
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Crimlo buuuut
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aaronpk sweet! in portland?
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Crimlo whats in it for meeeee?
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Jeena yeah, he was here for 3 weeks (2 weeks ago) already is now on vaccation in Grece but will be back in one or two weeks
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Jeena Crimlo, the thing is the code for my website is closed source :p
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Crimlo why
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Jeena but mostly just because it is so bad and I have passwords and stuff in the code
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Crimlo the site isn't anything special
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Crimlo oh ok
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Jeena there also parts which aren't visible to the public and everything is just in one big rails application
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Crimlo gotcha
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nedorito jeena what's your website!
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Jeena https://jeena.net/
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Jeena oh someone critisizes the indieweb (but in german) and uses aaronpk s website as an example http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7785/1/6/
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aaronpk attempts to read german
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kylewm can you give a tgr;dr?
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Zegnat I didn’t read it as harsh criticism actually
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Jeena I can try when I'm done reading
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Jeena but it is long and I have to stop and do work in between because I'm at the office ^^
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kylewm no worries
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kylewm he's been giving us some interesting test cases for brid.gy
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aaronpk he doesn't like my "Reply" link
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kylewm in particular, the URL nebenan.hamburg was the impetus for me to add much more thorough TLD handling to my python tweet shortening library
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Jeena hehe
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aaronpk coincidentally neither do I :P
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Jeena :D
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@kevinmarks @bbirdiman @fakebaldur @dauwhe @acutebit that's their odd choice, not a rule of nature. My markup is pretty lean: http://www.kevinmarks.com/we-like-indieweb-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/608383055204651008)
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aaronpk is about to get his 10,000th webmention
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Zegnat I believe Felix tries to get the message across that he gets the idea of the indieweb there, but not the execution. About aaronpk’s Replies link specifically: what does it reply to, why, and why *there*. “What’s on this page? An answer to an answer? Can I answer to that answer too? Where? How?”, “Can I comment here? Where is the comment field? What is a webmention, that I can send from there? Where does it go?
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Zegnat ” etc.
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Jeena is about to tweet his 10,000th tweet, but it could take a couple of months for the 150 tweets because I don't use twitter that much anymore
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Zegnat It bsically goes on like that. And it seems like he is explaining about the IndieWeb to people, the way he would’ve liked the IndieWeb to have been explained to him
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aaronpk sounds like a good case for dropping my sidebar and having a super minimal design https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/90
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Jeena aaronpk, just copy my header ;)
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nedorito do you guys know anyone who uses .eu?
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aaronpk nedorito: check http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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nedorito just saw I could get first name + last inital .eu which wouldn't be bad
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aaronpk and http://indiewebcamp.com/short-domain
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aaronpk (i don't know off the top of my head)
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Zegnat “I discovered the indieweb when one of the first versions of Reclaim was done. I learned that what Reclaim does is what the indiewebguys call “PESOS”. The rest I only understood 50%. I read fascinating ideas and concept, but couldn’t do much with them.”
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nedorito that's an awesome list
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/101890076819383#10153328595744788 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club
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Zegnat A bit over half the article Felix gets very positive about your site, aaronpk, no worries, hehe
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Zegnat I especially love the graphic where aaronparecki.com replies “WTF?” to a webmention: http://wirres.net/imagecatalogue/imageview/5524/?RefererURL=/article/articleview/7785/1/6/
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aaronpk haha is that webmention verification summarized as "WTF?" "OK"
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Zegnat yep
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kylewm that's cool too, the image has its own permalink outside of the article
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KevinMarks WTF is this case stands for What Type Format?
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Zegnat What is WTF?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WTF" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=WTF&summary=prompted+by+Zegnat+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-09%2Fline%2F1433885353278
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Zegnat Come on Loqi, you should’ve known that one!
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Loqi who, me?
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kylewm assumes KevinMarks is kidding, but it's so hard to tell
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Zegnat Felix didn’t know what h-card and h-entry were until he was invited to speak at nebenan.hamburg. And now he has written what I would consider one of the best introductions to the IndieWeb ever.
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KevinMarks that looks like a great introto indieweb in german
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aaronpk add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/Posts_about_the_IndieWeb ?
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Zegnat “When I send a webmention from wirres.net to aaronpareki.com, aaronpareki.com checks what that prick has done – aha – a like, and notes it below the article.”
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Zegnat (I consulted my mom on translating “der schwenzel” with “that prick” …)
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kylewm lol, schwenzel isn't felix's last name?
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Zegnat Oh. I guess it is.
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Zegnat Well, that’s why I don’t translate texts :p
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aaronpk hahaha
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Zegnat I assumed it was slang, and she gave the possible translation “tail”
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Zegnat is a native Dutch speaker in Sweden (sorry Felix!)
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aaronpk Dutch is pretty much German with funny pronunciation, right? :P
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Crimlo wrong
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Zegnat It is not, aaronpk. Although I grew up close enough to the German border that I can sometimes fake it
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nedorito lol zegnat
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aaronpk i was mostly kidding
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nedorito my girlfriend speaks german and tries to fake dutch sometimes
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nedorito it is usually a disaster
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rhiaro When you create event posts, do you rsvp to your own events as a separate post, or is the fact you created the event enough to imply you're attending?
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aaronpk i usually RSVP to my own events separately
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rhiaro cool
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rhiaro I was wondering if I could make a post that's an event and an RSVP to itself
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rhiaro but maybe not
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aaronpk lol hmm
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kylewm rhiaro: incidentally that's how facebook works... you can't create an event without RSVPing "yes" to it
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aaronpk good point!
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club (-40) (view diff)
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nedorito is there a module being developed for event creation and rsvp tracking?
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nedorito via indieweb?
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Crimlo nope
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nedorito https://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp
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nedorito :D I did it guys
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nedorito i rtfw
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Crimlo LOL
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Zegnat nedorito, when you see people discussing things here, like them talking about “RSVP”, you can try asking what it is here in chat and Loqi will tell you:
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Loqi dude
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Zegnat what is rsvp?
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Loqi An RSVP is a type of post that is a reply to an event post https://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp
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nedorito interesting, ty
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nedorito I'm taking all of july off work so, other than 5 days in a canoe, I should be able to get my site up and running
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nedorito lots of wiki reading and coding to do
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nedorito it's cool that other people list their sites in the wiki, lots of interesting things there
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vanderven.se martijn edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn (+400) "Add language information." (view diff)
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Zegnat If anyone knows the correct language code for Ancient Greek, please update my profile.
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Zegnat I am off to bed, have a good night all!
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Loqi sleep tight!
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kylewm does anyone know what happened to http://bigboringsystem.com/? (ednapirhana social network thing) ot
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kylewm it's been down for a least a few days, maybe longer
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aaronpk she went offline
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aaronpk "took a break from the internet" for a while
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kylewm :/
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kylewm OK back from tangent, where's a good place to put downstream comments, or replies-to-replies on the wiki? /reply-thread?
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aaronpk I would stay away from the term "thread"
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kylewm i'm going to put it at /Salmentions if I don't get a better suggestion and then you'll all be sorry
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aaronpk how about /reply-chain?
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kylewm what is a reply-chain?
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Loqi A reply thread (AKA reply chain) is a threaded list of replies, and replies to those replies, displayed under the original post, as part of the context-thread https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-chain
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aaronpk how bout that
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aaronpk i had no idea lol
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kylewm haha yeah, it redirects to /reply-thread ... but talks about the other direction "reply-context thread" in the examples section
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kylewm though maybe it's part and parcel of the same thing, just different plumbing for fetching them
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kylewm.com edited /reply-thread (+433) "/* Indieweb Examples */ add myself to examples section" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /reply-thread (+870) "describe mechanism for receiving n-level comments, i.e. "salmentions"" (view diff)
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kylewm I'm realizing there's a little proselytizing to be done to get people to add mf2 to comments at all
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kylewm many don't yet
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KevinMarks_ Give them a demonstrable reason to and they will
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aaronpk and testable :P
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Loqi [mention] Amy Guy posted 'IndieWebCamp Edinburgh What? Two-day practical unconference about decentralised social web, owning your data and online presence, and ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (http://rhiaro.co.uk//1970/01/iwc-edi)
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Loqi [mention] Amy Guy posted 'IndieWebCamp Edinburgh What? Two-day practical unconference about decentralised social web, owning your data and online presence, and ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (http://rhiaro.co.uk//2015/06/iwc-edi)