#indiewebcamp 2015-06-12

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@t @benwerd indieweb tenets? @loqisaur says http://indiewebcamp.com/tenets In summary: 🗽✊🔍💪😋📓💞📐🌐🗿🎉🌈 (ttk.me t4bc1) (twitter.com/_/status/609153784200228865)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tantek Çelik replied '@benwerd indieweb tenets? @loqisaur says indiewebcamp.com/tenets In summary: 🗽✊🔍💪😋📓💞📐🌐🗿🎉🌈 (ttk.me t4bc1)' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/t/status/609153784200228865)
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Loqi [bridgy] Ben Werdmüller favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/tenets (https://twitter.com/t/status/609153784200228865)
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@ChrisAldrich No More [Digital] Sharecropping! http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2010/11/7/1/no-more-sharecropping via @veganstraightedge Great #Indieweb manifesto (twitter.com/_/status/609158525898608640)
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__number5__ love those emoji :)
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aaronpk i'm pretty sure I just decided to publish my step count as a count of the number of steps I did between waking up and going to sleep, rather than by any concept of calendar day
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tantek sounds like a Hixie day
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aaronpk !
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aaronpk :-( "This site is no longer actively maintained. I mainly post on Google+ now." http://ln.hixie.ch/
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tantek http://ian.hixie.ch/bible/english##Today
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk thinking about turning my top-level URLs (/articles, /notes, etc) into "collections", meaning they would have no significance on the underlying posts, and would be a sort of progressive enhancement rather than core to how any of my site works
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aaronpk any of my posts could be added to any of the collections, they'd no longer be limited by "post type"
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tantek so you're saying /articles, /notes, etc would all become just "views" on your underyling posts data "model" ?
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk best example of this is my travel page, since I'm finding I want to include other things there such as certain events, or long bike rides
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aaronpk also thinking about making a new one "health" which includes runs, longer bike rides, pushups, sleep, steps
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tantek as a superset of exercise?
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aaronpk yeah, i may not actually publish anything called "exercise" tho
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tantek what is exercise?
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aaronpk and will probably drop "metrics" too since that was really more of a technical reason that existed
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Loqi exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indiewebcamp.com/exercise
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tantek does health include food?
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aaronpk hmm probably
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tantek (going real deep here in the indieweb philosophical discussions)
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aaronpk the other nice thing about thinking of it this way, is that I can put off the entire concept of that for now and just focus on individual posts and my /all page!
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tantek indeed!
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aaronpk current status: http://aaron.pk/n4bc1
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snarfed now that's dedication
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aaronpk analog++
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tantek just noticed that you have 6 LINK rels in the header on that post, but none of them is webmention
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aaronpk it's down at the bottom in an <a> tag
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tantek I should say, HTTP header that is
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Loqi it is probable
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aaronpk oh! yeah, can't quite remember the reason I dropped it from the HTTP header
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tantek gives Loqi a Bayesian
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Loqi enjoys the Bayesian
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KevinMarks are they morphing into tags then. aaronpk ?
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@benwerd Facebook-style behavior "is not good for our society". Agree! Check out the #indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #dml2015 (twitter.com/_/status/609175149347102721)
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Loqi [mention] Ben Werdmüller posted 'Facebook-style behavior is
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@andrewslack RT @benwerd: Facebook-style behavior "is not good for our society". Agree! Check out the #indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #dml2015 (twitter.com/_/status/609175326464159744)
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@assemblepgh RT @benwerd: Facebook-style behavior "is not good for our society". Agree! Check out the #indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #dml2015 (twitter.com/_/status/609175328972513280)
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tantek do we need to put a big banner at the top of the home page saying something like ANNUAL INDIEWEBCAMP IN ONE MONTH! JOIN US!
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tantek or something like that?
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tantek I feel like some form of seasonal promotion makes sense, but I'm not sure how to make it work with the current design, and when it's appropriate
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tantek.com edited /Bridgy (+280) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add myself with my Bridgy Publish usage, likes of Tweets, RSVPs to FB events" (view diff)
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tantek alright I checked the gh issues and I can't find the answer - does Bridgy Publish support POSSEing comments to Instagram?
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snarfed tantek: sadly no. https://www.brid.gy/about#silos
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snarfed iirc we've looked at this before and their docs say it's only for advertisers, or something similar
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tantek ok I suspected but couldn't find an FAQ
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tantek wow
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Loqi [bridgy] assemble retweeted a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/assemblepgh/status/609175328972513280)
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Loqi [bridgy] Andrew Slack favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/609175149347102721)
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snarfed don't quote me. aaronpk might remember. i suspect it's either in the wiki or a bridgy issue (i know you searched)
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Loqi [bridgy] assemble favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/609175149347102721)
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tantek I remember aaronpk trying and gettng frustrated by the comment approval thing
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Loqi [bridgy] Andrew Slack retweeted a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/andrewslack/status/609175326464159744)
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tantek also for some reason I thought aaronpk's site was POSSEing his posts from ownyourgram to Twitter
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tantek e.g. http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/11/1/p3k-indieweb-refactoring - but apparently not
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tantek I mean I thought p3k would do that automatically, as part of handling the micropub post from ownyourgram
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KevinMarks so, trying out a rudimentary indiecard parser
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KevinMarks and implied name is a bugger
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tantek on what real world examples?
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http://tantek.com works OK
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tantek I'd hope so ;)
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http://kevinmarks.com not so much
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tantek whoa /indiecard?url= (!!!)
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tantek KevinMarks++
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KevinMarks 'cos my h-feed has no name
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Loqi KevinMarks has 118 karma
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tantek KevinMarks: why do you bother to markup h-feed then?
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tantek the problem may be too much markup, not too little ;)
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http://indiewebcamp.com/indiecard
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KevinMarks seems to get 'type': [u'h-x-app']
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snarfed "my h-feed has no name" sounds like a hot new indieweb pop song
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tantek I like how "unmung" is now really KevinMarksPlayground
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KevinMarks it's unmunging things in different ways
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KevinMarks but yes
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KevinMarks what is h-x-app, aaronpk ?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "h-x-app, aaronpk " yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=h-x-app%2C+aaronpk+&summary=prompted+by+KevinMarks+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-11%2Fline%2F1434074690491
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@t @aaronpk re: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/11/1/p3k-indieweb-refactoring Looking forward to seeing what #indieweb #UI #UX iterations you sketch and build! (ttk.me t4bc2) (twitter.com/_/status/609180039876247552)
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KevinMarks should I skip items that start with 'x-'
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tantek no we should fix the wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme Indeed. Tantek you see the debate on a-x-client-id vs a-x-created-by. There has to be a better term
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: what does that have to do with the wiki?!?
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ben_thatmustbeme -x-creating-app
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tantek the wiki pages should all just be h-entry
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tantek by default
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tantek and maybe we special case a few to h-event
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rbrt you guys plan on having any events in ny anytime soon?
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tantek rbrt, GWG is organizing IndieWebCamp NYC July 11-12!
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ben_thatmustbeme Sorry on phone. Thought the wiki comment was about adding to proposed values
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http://indiewebcamp.com/link-preview
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rbrt are these for advanced users? because I am kind of just getting started
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tantek for anyone that wants to get or work on their own webiste
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tantek s/webiste/website
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Loqi tantek meant to say: for anyone that wants to get or work on their own website
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rbrt ok sounds good
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KevinMarks hm, not just my problem wiht h-feed's implied name http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http://ma.tt
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tantek KevinMarks: that's partly because we're still fixing the parsers's backcompat parsing
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tantek if you want to debug that you're going to have to actually view the markup manually to dig into it
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KevinMarks yeah
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tantek we very likely have more WP backcompat analysis to do
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KevinMarks true
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tantek I alread added some proposed improvements to microformats.org/wiki/h-entry back-compat parsing
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tantek nothing for h-feed yet though - that likely still requires some analysis
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/this-mornings-juice-ingredients-from-the-garden
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@t @aaronpk re: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/11/1/p3k-indieweb-refactoring Looking forward to seeing what #indieweb #UI #UX iterations you sketch and build! (ttk.me t4bc2) (twitter.com/_/status/609184023521308672)
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kylewm anyone know a hacky way to posse comments to instagram? starting to be kind of a big itch for me
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kylewm (noticed the question before)
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tantek well, the web UI lets you comment so… ;)
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kylewm maybe I can get further than last time, now that i know what csrf is :)
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Loqi [bridgy] raul penaranda favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/609175149347102721)
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ben_thatmustbeme Hmm. Does it work without JavaScript? You can always do something with mechanize. It's pretty hacky though. Any ui change could break it
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tantek perhaps sort of like the original Google Maps "API" that someone reverse engineered by looking at their AJAX requests
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kylewm heh, no looks like it is all JS
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KevinMarks it's react, apparently
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Loqi [bridgy] Bruce Aguilar favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/609175149347102721)
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@t @aaronpk re: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/11/1/p3k-indieweb-refactoring Looking forward to seeing what #indieweb #UI #UX iterations you sketch and build! (ttk.me t4bc2) (twitter.com/_/status/609195768545566720)
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tantek ladies and gentlemen, I've crawled (literally) my way to automatically sending webmentions to in-reply-to URLs, finally. This indie-comment of mine on http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/06/11/1/p3k-indieweb-refactoring was sent without any manual use of cURL or the nice form UI on that page.
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ben_thatmustbeme automation++
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Loqi automation has 2 karma
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tantek onefewermanualstep++
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Loqi onefewermanualstep has 2 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme now to send vouches with it :P
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tantek also updated my posting UI to list all the in-reply-to URLs (e.g. for multireplies and/or POSSE threading), and prefetch/display webmention endpoint URLs to note which webmentions will get sent
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ben_thatmustbeme side note, getting back to the indie-cards thing. it works well as a specification of what we are all basically already doing
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snarfed tantek++ woo congrats!
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tantek you mean when consuming info about a page?
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tantek snarfed - that was far more debugging than I expected (from our last in-person conversation). had several bugs to fix.
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snarfed tantek: heh. nothing's ever easy. nice work!
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tantek new #cassis.js is_html_type function coming out of it too
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tantek rather function is_html_type()
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tantek snarfed, where are your notes again?
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snarfed i don't have a separate feed for them vs articles. just the home page
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tantek just not that many notes then? mostly articles?
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snarfed actually i may not even distinguish notes vs articles at all
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snarfed posttypes—
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snarfed plenty of notes in spirit, just marked up wrong
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snarfed (i think)
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tantek autoemdash--
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KevinMarks ben, well to some extent - yours works: http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=https%3A%2F%2Fben.thatmustbe.me
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tantek snarfed: hmm - not seeing any "notes" since 2015-04-01. a couple of name/title-less photo posts before that
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snarfed right, markup may be all articles
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tantek no I mean visually so - not per markup
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tantek hence "notes" in quotes :)
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snarfed ah ok. visually there are plenty, on the front page, right?
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snarfed oh if you don't count photos
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snarfed then yeah, 2015-04-01 and before
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snarfed meh =call them what you want :P
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=https%3A%2F%2Fben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2015/5/21/1/
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ben_thatmustbeme Works for posts too already
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tantek wow @adactio has become nothing but IFTTT POSSE tweets!
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tantek oh no oops I was looking at @adactioJournal
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GWG Good morning all
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KevinMarks__ Blows up on a lot of hfeeds though, as many don't have name set so get content
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tantek pretty sure we have a issue on not implying p-name on back compat parsing
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tantek yes: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#implied_properties_on_backcompat_parsing_unlikely_to_be_intended
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tantek KevinMarks: if you'd like, since that issue was resolved unanimously at the mf2 dev meetup, you're welcome to implement it in mf2py
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tantek that will likely fix your handling of hfeeds
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KevinMarks or it could be we didn't actually define the hfeed mapping in mf2py
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tantek even if you did define it, you will likely need to fix that issue
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GWG Next week, I need to solve the venue issue one way or another for IWC
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KevinMarks hm, hfeed didn't define a title?
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KevinMarks atom has title and subtitle
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tantek and who actually made use of that?
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tantek atom has tons of things no one actually used in practice
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tantek hAtom was a deliberate subset
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KevinMarks lots do
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blog.juliaferraioli.com%2Fatom.xml
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tantek not when we checked back when we were doing hAtom
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KevinMarks you weren't looking at blogger and wordpress then: http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fepeus.blogspot.com%2Fatom.xml
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tantek you were there too KevinMarks :)
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fma.tt%2Ffeed
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KevinMarks so the h-feeds I make from atom or RSS have them
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tantek oh? how are you representing them? concatenating into a p-name?
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KevinMarks I put a p-subtitle in
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tantek SMH
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KevinMarks though maybe p-summary would be better
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tantek there we go
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KevinMarks thing is, it isn't quite a summary
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tantek but how do people use it?
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KevinMarks it is usually a quip
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tantek are they basically sticking a brief summary in there?
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KevinMarks picking random ones on blogger, lots are summary-like
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tantek probably because they gave it a bigger text box than just one line
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tantek UI tends to shape usage
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KevinMarks ditto with wordpress.com featured ones
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KevinMarks so p-summary would be a decent mapping from atom:subtitle
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tantek kylewm: I am *really* confused with what is going on here https://kylewm.com/2015/06/not-necessarily-threaded-comments-like-reddit-but
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tantek (uh oh)
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tantek oh - multireply-context on top?
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kylewm yeah, multireply context on top
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tantek but I'm really confused by acegiak's replies underneath - they seem to be just her h-card?
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kylewm yeah, acegiak's header has an e-content on it and it's inside the h-entry, so it's picked up as the body of the reply
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tantek oh and the last reply "here goes nothing" has a "#" link that links to https://kylewm.com/2015/06/h which is a 404
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kylewm whut
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kylewm yeah that's pretty weird
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tantek but the (kylewm.com) link immediately before it works!
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kylewm that last reply was a reply-to-a-reply
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tantek yeah so guess what I'm about to try...
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kylewm :)
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tantek IT WORKS! https://kylewm.com/2015/06/try-just-replying-to-myself
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kylewm awesome!!
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tantek (that's NOT what I replied to)
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tantek also, with automatic webmention sending :D
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tantek unfortunately my post is a leaf/edge since I don't process/display incoming webmentions yet (just queuing up at webmention io), nor do I pass them along
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tantek ok I think I'm declaring victory on getting automatic webmentions to in-reply-to URLs working
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kylewm tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 200 karma
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tantek kylewm: your relative webmention URL endpoint took a bit more code :)
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kylewm balloons!
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tantek (but it ran first try)
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kylewm oh sweet, yeah I believe I made it relative cause someone else was testing something, and then i left it that way
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tantek #cassis.js is getting a new get_absolute_uri() function
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tantek (takes two params, uri, base)
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kylewm doesn't php-mf2 make it absolute though?
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kylewm unrelated: something weird is going on with the image/link at the top of http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#Early_User_Interface
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kylewm the link is to a presentation from 2013, but it redirects to a presentation from 2014
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tantek is that a caseorganic URL? yeah I think there were some odd redir things with those
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tantek kylewm: um, not using phpmf2 for that, but rather DOMDocument, loadHTML, DOMXPath
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tantek since it's *only* a pass to get rel webmention
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tantek kylewm lots of errant # links to https://kylewm.com/2015/06/h on https://kylewm.com/2015/06/yeah-comment-threads-are-sort-of-a-todo-for-the-indieweb
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tantek all the # links from acegiak's comment all the way down all link to that 404 URL
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kylewm lol, I don't even have a guess why that's happening. thank you for pointing it out though, i wll check it out
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@_die_katrin reading about indieweb, posse, etc. very happy about @diplix’s talk/article covering the basics http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7785/1/6/ (twitter.com/_/status/609227905219084288)
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kylewm oh duh, it's <a href="h">#</a> becuase i did url[0]
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tantek heh
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tantek so when your reply posts receive a webmention of a reply to them, they pass it along to the original in-reply-to?
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tantek is that how salmentions work?
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tantek (hilarious portmanteau btw)
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tantek (whoever coined that)
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tantek that needs to go in /timeline
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kylewm the post that receives a comment just re-sends webmentions the same way it would if i edited the content of the post
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tantek oh! then the receiver of that webmention pulls in its new replies
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tantek or rather any new replies to that reply
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tantek as part of the update?
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kylewm pfefferle shared a link to the wiki that discussed the idea in at least 2013, but i think acegiak coined salmentions recently
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kylewm yep!
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tantek using p-comment ?
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kylewm indeed
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tantek amazing
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tantek surreal watching that work
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kylewm i love that it doesnt involve any new inventions, just a logical extension of the way comments already were working
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acegiak I fixed my header h-card!
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tantek it did involve the first real world consuming code of "p-comment"
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acegiak kylewm: I saw you did the thing! so excite!
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acegiak blackwool got alarmed cause I just started giggling out of nowhere
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kylewm tantek: I think aaronpk was using them in monocle to show comment counts already
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tantek oh cool!
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kylewm acegiak: hahah, awesome
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tantek acegiak: does this mean if you resend your webmentions from replies that your extra h-card inside the post goes away?
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tantek kylewm: wait - did all this just happen in the past 48hours?!?
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kylewm um, a little more than that i think
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tantek i can't find older references to salmentions
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tantek acegiak++ ok I'm really impressed by the frequency of you posting on your own site. well done.
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Loqi acegiak has 19 karma
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acegiak It works!
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acegiak tantek: it's mostly reblogging
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kylewm here's the original article describing the mechanism https://indiewebcamp.com/comment-propagation
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kylewm looks like barnaby, sandeep, and pfefferle from 2013
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acegiak kylewm++ salmentions working! today just keeps getting better and better
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Loqi kylewm has 177 karma
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acegiak kylewm: what was the output of parsing the comments on https://acegiak.net/2015/06/09/not-necessarily-threaded-comments-like-reddit-but-i-think-theres-broad-consensus-that-if-you-reply-to-a-reply-it-would-be/
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acegiak when I sent the update just now?
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kylewm acegiak: https://kylewm.com/services/mf2util?url=https%3A%2F%2Facegiak.net%2F2015%2F06%2F09%2Fnot-necessarily-threaded-comments-like-reddit-but-i-think-theres-broad-consensus-that-if-you-reply-to-a-reply-it-would-be%2F
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tantek acegiak, is that post the first mention of salmentions? or did you mention it in IRC earlier?
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acegiak tantek: I /think/ I'd used the term on irc earlier?
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acegiak how searchable is the log?
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tantek um, let's just say Google is too slow and too shallow
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kylewm.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:7-changing-user-interface-twitter.png]]""
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tantek acegiak: ironically first reference I can find on IRC is kylewm referring to "acegiak's salmentions proposal"
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tantek 13:15 on 2015-06-09
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Loqi !calc 13:15 on 2015-06-09
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acegiak lol ok
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acegiak might be the first time then?
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tantek assuming your timezone is right, this post http://acegiak.net/2015/06/09/not-necessarily-threaded-comments-like-reddit-but-i-think-theres-broad-consensus-that-if-you-reply-to-a-reply-it-would-be/ looks like the first use of the term
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acegiak I might have said "salmon-like mentions" or something equally awkward previously
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kylewm that's the first I'd seen it ^
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tantek but even there it says "I suggested #indieweb salmentions" which implies you mentioned it earlier!
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acegiak I'd suggested salmon like upstream webmention forwarding previously
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acegiak just now with that name
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acegiak maybe
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acegiak begins to doubt her own sanity
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tantek nice
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tantek ok I found this "upstream" reference, kylewm asking acegiak about it http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-08/line/1433814580389
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tantek kylewm: do you remember the context of that comment?
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acegiak tantek: still a reference to earlier conversations, sorry.
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tantek google is finding references to a Pokemon called "salmention" - uh: http://www.mypokecard.com/en/Gallery/Pokemon-salmention-LX
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acegiak tantek: That's definitely not an official pokemon.
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tantek perhaps a VERY rare one ;)
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tantek alright, looks like your post is the first term use - nicely done
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acegiak tantek: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-21/line/1398094319000
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acegiak that's the conversation Im thinking of
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acegiak hillariously: with you
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tantek hilarious - glad I didn't discourage you too much (though it did take us a year to get back to it!)
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tantek and looks like sandeep suggested the upstream concept 2013-06-23 - wow very first draft: https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=comment-propagation&oldid=3603
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tantek the last two steps are the explicit sending and the handling of the salmention
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acegiak tantek: I've definitely mentioned it occasionally since then but the main problem is that the wordpress webmention semantic linkbacks code is a bit too much for me to get a foothold on the problem
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acegiak tantek: yeah that's it
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tantek one year from concept to "salmon-like upstream" description, then another year to term creation, then mere hours to implementation
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tantek that's a fascinating evolution of an idea
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acegiak kylewm's platform appears to be brilliant for rapid iteration
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tantek yeah it's kind of amazing how fast he's built stuff
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tantek I think he's iterating faster than Known now
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tantek of course, they're going for a broader / more diverse user base, so different priorities
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tantek and I have a feeling that once aaronpk finishes his current restructuring of p3k, he's going to be rapid iterating as well
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acegiak I can iterate on some things quickly, but this, not so much
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tantek kylewm: when did you get salmentions working?
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tantek was that the here goes nothing?
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+751) "comment-propagation, salmon-like upstream, salmentions" (view diff)
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kylewm tantek: yes, that was the first one that worked myself-to-myself
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tantek looks like you handled receiving mine and passing it along to yourself just fine!
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acegiak kylewm: I updated to GWG's new version of mf2_s which now shows SOMETHING for a comment in https://kylewm.com/services/mf2util?url=https%3A%2F%2Facegiak.net%2F2015%2F06%2F09%2Fnot-necessarily-threaded-comments-like-reddit-but-i-think-theres-broad-consensus-that-if-you-reply-to-a-reply-it-would-be%2F
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acegiak but your parser doesn't appear to pick it up just yet
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acegiak /s/parser/handler/
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kylewm hmm, yeah so the comment content is p-summary, it looks like I am only checking for p-content or e-content
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acegiak ah
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acegiak well I can adjust that
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acegiak actually I can also make it so it's not got the "kyle says xx/xx/xx" in there
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acegiak but I should go for my walk first while the sun is still out
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acegiak I'll have a crack in 45mins when I'm back
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tantek now I'm tempted to try to get backcompat pingback sending working too, so I can properly comment automatically from my site to eschnou's original Testing indieweb federation post
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tantek but first dinner
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GWG acegiak: I said I just brought over the code. It needs a rewrite
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acegiak GWG: yeah I know. I just like fiddling
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GWG acegiak: Just wanted to mention. Vacation is over tomorrow night. Heading home to work on it.
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Zegnat Good morning all
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Zegnat (That Salmention Pokémon card just shows the Pokémon Salamence. Boring. While there are fish Pokémon, none of them are based on salmon. Magikarp and Goldeen swim upstream though.)
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KevinMarks so had you heard of http://www.salmon-protocol.org/ or was this the same name occuring to you?
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tantek KevinMarks: quite a few mentions of salmon already all around the wiki
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tantek acegiak: your use of "salmon-like upstream" was in reference to the salmon protocol right?
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acegiak tantek: yeah
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acegiak riding their metaphor
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tantek that's what I figured. silly KevinMarks :)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /The-Open-Graph-protocol (+357) "/* Silo Examples */ Adding Apple News." (view diff)
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@alexismp Dommage que @nitot ne parle pas de #indieweb dans sa keynote du #breizhcamp (twitter.com/_/status/609267166576312321)
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@jordan_web The new Media https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/609162396578377728 #media #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/609269166088982528)
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@ScottyJordan The new Media https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/609162396578377728 #media #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/609269168500662272)
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@t @eschnou now automatically sending webmentions (or pingbacks if necessary) from replies; joining #indieweb federation! (ttk.me t4bd1) (twitter.com/_/status/609287983183757312)
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tantek eschnou: still around? can you check to see if you received a pingback from me on https://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
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@t @eschnou now automatically sending webmentions (or pingbacks if necessary) from replies; joining #indieweb federation! (ttk.me t4bd1) (twitter.com/_/status/609292676970606592)
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tantek trying again
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@t @eschnou now automatically sending webmentions (or pingbacks if necessary) from replies; joining #indieweb federation! (ttk.me t4bd1) (twitter.com/_/status/609295860371861505)
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tantek and I've got automatic fallback from sending webmention to sending pingback working - and commented here without any manual curling - directly from my site: https://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
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tantek !tell eschnou looks like your uf2 parsing upon receiving a pingback needs updating to support relative URLs for images - that's why mine and others' images on indie comments on https://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html are broken!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@t Yesterday: automatic reply webmentions sending. Today: pingbacks too, e.g. First Federated #Indieweb Comments: http://tantek.com/2015/163/t2/webmention-sending-pingbacks-federated-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/609300253200658432)
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@BRIAN_____ RT @t: Yesterday: automatic reply webmentions sending. Today: pingbacks too, e.g. First Federated #Indieweb Comments: http://tantek.com/2015/163/t2/webmention-sending-pingbacks-federated-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/609301874769051648)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+111) "/* Reply */ automatic sending of webmentions or pingbacks to original post" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (-114) "automatic sending of webmentions from replies to originals / falling back to pingbacks, done from Working On" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /comment (+1618) "add to why, Send Webmentions From Reply" (view diff)
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@Folletto RT @t: Yesterday: automatic reply webmentions sending. Today: pingbacks too, e.g. First Federated #Indieweb Comments: http://tantek.com/2015/163/t2/webmention-sending-pingbacks-federated-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/609317128148283393)
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@digitalWestie Ooh, IndieWebCamp Edinburgh 2015! 2015-07-25 - http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh cc. @TerminalPixel (twitter.com/_/status/609323720251940864)
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@vickytnz RT @digitalWestie: Ooh, IndieWebCamp Edinburgh 2015! 2015-07-25 - http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh cc. @TerminalPixel (twitter.com/_/status/609323882877726720)
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@rhiaro @digitalWestie @TerminalPixel It's what all the cool kids are doing! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/609326656323493888)
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@simonv3 RT @digitalWestie: Ooh, IndieWebCamp Edinburgh 2015! 2015-07-25 - http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh cc. @TerminalPixel (twitter.com/_/status/609329454721187841)
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petermolnar let's ddos bridgy & Loqi
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Loqi :)
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__number5__ fackbook flooding #indieweb!
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tantek __number5__: it's all the invitations to the next HWC SF
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GWG I need to study comment presentation a bit
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@ali_king RT @digitalWestie: Ooh, IndieWebCamp Edinburgh 2015! 2015-07-25 - http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh cc. @TerminalPixel (twitter.com/_/status/609361652568428544)
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LanceyWork all the hwc meetings are always scheduled for when i already have plans!
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tantek LanceyWork: they're every other Wednesday! predictable :) plan for the next one!
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acegiak ok neat! My comments are now marked up so kylewm can grab them when I send him a salmention
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GWG acegiak: Oh?
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acegiak just added e-content where you've got p-summary
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kylewm woop woop
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acegiak kylewm: I've switched it to e-content from p-content since I sent the salmention cause html content is more valuable?
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acegiak hmm
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acegiak it's 12:30 but I think I've got an in in the semantic linkbacks code
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aaronpk good morning #indiewebcamp!
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aaronpk quite the bridgy flood
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LanceyWork good morning
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GWG acegiak: What about the Semantic Linkbacks code?
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GWG Good evening, aaronpk
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petermolnar good afternoon, everyone
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acegiak GWG: I'm working on getting it to parse child comments for salmention handling
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GWG acegiak: Keep me posted
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gRegorLove What's salmention?
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KartikPrabhu what is salmention?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "salmention" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=salmention&summary=prompted+by+KartikPrabhu+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-12%2Fline%2F1434122569922
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acegiak what are salmentions
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Salmentions
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KartikPrabhu salmention is /salmentions
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loqi.me created /salmention (+24) "prompted by KartikPrabhu https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-12/line/1434122569922 and dfn added by KartikPrabhu" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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acegiak it's just a mention passed upstream for comment chains
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gRegorLove Hm. Still not sure what it is exactly :)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Salmentions (+36) "rephrase, see also" (view diff)
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aaronpk try that
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gRegorLove Ah, better. Is it just a regular webmention then, no additional parameter?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk it's not actually anything different than what has been described before, just a cute name :)
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aaronpk like, if your post is updated, you should send a webmention again. it's just saying that you should also send webmentions when your post is updated because you displayed a comment there
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GWG acegiak, would that belong in Semantic Linkbacks or Webmentions then?
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acegiak GWG: What I'm doing is the parsing of the child comments
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acegiak so I think semantic linkbacks?
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GWG acegiak: I'm not sure.
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GWG I have trouble finding the best place for things
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acegiak GWG: It's early and I'm doing it in semantic linkbacks
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acegiak we can fix it later if it works
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acegiak aaronpk++ your explanation is mooch batter
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acegiak Yay spaghetti coding!
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acegiak ok now I need to test this shit
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aaronpk wow, forced self-dogfooding https://twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/609400254639812608
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@cliffordlevy How important is mobile for @nytimes? We’re blocking access to our home page on desktop in our building. https://twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/609400254639812608/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/609400254639812608)
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ben_thatmustbeme wow, cool
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dym_cx terminology of "dogfooding" is kinda screwed, tbh
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aaronpk agreed, but that is a long-standing debate with no better suggestion
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aaronpk feel free to add to the list http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfooding#Discussion
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dym_cx make what you will use and use what you make"
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aaronpk too long for a tweet
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aaronpk like I said, feel free to add to the page
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dym_cx "too long for a tweet", is this even a real argument? for a comparison: http://i.imgur.com/U9Sn7kG.jpg
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dym_cx i'll go see the page now
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aaronpk yes, it is useful to have a single term to reference the concept, often used as a hashtag or in a title of a post
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aaronpk "too long for a tweet" was shorthand for that ^
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aaronpk (see the citations on that page for examples)
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aaronpk also useful is when the term can be used as a noun as well as a verb
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aaronpk language is fun!
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dym_cx the bast analogy (apart from autofellatio) is "be part of your kids life"
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dym_cx *best
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dym_cx so "parenting"
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gRegorLove #buildyourownlightsaber #lightsberring
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gRegorLove Hah, hadn't seen the expanded section yet http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfooding#Lightsaber
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@acegiak Fuck yeah! Got basic Indieweb Salmention handling working! - https://acegiak.net/2015/06/13/12891/ (twitter.com/_/status/609406722478727168)
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dym_cx "build your own castle"?
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aaronpk castle is good, how to shorten that though?
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acegiak I like the lightsaber example!
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aaronpk the equivalent would be "eat your own dogfood" -> selfdogfooding
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aaronpk is more of a star trek fan :P
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aaronpk build your own tricorder
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gRegorLove GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW.
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gRegorLove jk
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acegiak Ok well I have wordpress reading child comments for salmentions. I consider that enough achievement for one night, I'mma hit the sack
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aaronpk acegiak++
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gRegorLove acegiak++ awesome!
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acegiak :D
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acegiak see you all in the morning
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aaronpk there's gotta be a German word for this idea, right? just a bunch of smaller words slammed together?
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dym_cx i'm not sure the concept of eating food of ones dog is even a thing in germany
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dym_cx making food for the dog by yourself – sure
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dym_cx or just sharing a plate
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aaronpk no i mean the idea that the dogfood metaphor is getting at
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dym_cx how about "grow your own food"
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aaronpk that's good too. just not sure how to shorten it
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@swardley The evolution of every technology ... ever. https://twitter.com/swardley/status/609404834412937218/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/609404834412937218)
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snarfed acegiak++ for adding salmentions to semantic-linkbacks
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snarfed can't wait to use it!
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GWG snarfed: Should be interesting, I agree
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@oSoftDev Output of the base demo code, and what I turned it into :D MANY revisions! #indiedev #indieweb @SocketIO rocks! https://twitter.com/oSoftDev/status/609419715191156736/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/609419715191156736)
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@indiegamesdevel RT @oSoftDev: Output of the base demo code, and what I turned it into :D MANY revisions! #indiedev #indieweb @SocketIO rocks! http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/609419959794597888)
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dym_cx aaronpk: [[Salmentions]]? threads?
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aaronpk ?
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: what do you use for a database/do you use a database?
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rhiaro Kongaloosh: MySQL with a triple store layer, you won't like it
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dym_cx rhiaro:
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dym_cx rhiaro: when i use the tweet button on http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/06/iwc-edi -- it send the full article text into the tweet
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dym_cx all 1000+ symbols
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rhiaro Yeah it's broken
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rhiaro Aware
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rhiaro The tweet button is actually for me not other people anyway
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dym_cx oka
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dym_cx oke
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dym_cx with Salmentions introduced, a "planet.indiewebcamp.com" would be a nice way to test/showcase it in action
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aaronpk yeah i still really wanna make a planet
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@SocketIO RT @oSoftDev: Output of the base demo code, and what I turned it into :D MANY revisions! #indiedev #indieweb @SocketIO rocks! http://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/609428350994546688)
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dym_cx since foaf i low on usage, what is the current analog of friend lists? opml of rss feeds?
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dym_cx s/i low/is low/
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Loqi dym_cx meant to say: since foaf is low on usage, what is the current analog of friend lists? opml of rss feeds?
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: are there going to be more IWC events... possibly in the fall-winter-spring?
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rhiaro In Edinburgh or anywhere?
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rhiaro Want to help me organize..?
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kylewm dym_cx: likely something with XFN
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Kongaloosh edinburgh
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Kongaloosh I could
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Kongaloosh wonders what they're doing
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KevinMarks_ Xfn for friend lists
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: I'm able to manually post, but when I'm using a client like quill all I'm getting is 'Your endpoint did not return a Location header.' However, I have a little debugger in my code that's showing that my /micropub isn't even being accessed.
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Kongaloosh you wouldn't happen to know off-hand what might cause that?
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rhiaro Wrong URL in link tag?
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Kongaloosh ahaha
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Kongaloosh figured it out
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rhiaro Mm?
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Kongaloosh okay, so I derped out and I was manually going to http, rather than https
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rhiaro Classic
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Kongaloosh so I need to figure out SSL
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kylewm Kongaloosh: it's OK to get it working over http first
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Kongaloosh kylewm: yeah, I have. It's just a matter of getting external stuff like quill to play nicely.
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kylewm that's what I mean, Quill, Indieauth, etc. should all work fine over http
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Kongaloosh oh
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Kongaloosh that's not good
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Kongaloosh hmm :C
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Kongaloosh kylewm: quill says 'https://mysite.com/micropub' should be my endpoint... are you positive it should be fine over http?
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kylewm like...80%?
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kylewm what's your URL?
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Kongaloosh kongaloosh.com
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kylewm so in <link rel="micropub"> did you try it with http://kongaloosh.com/micropub?
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kylewm cause right now it's https://kongaloosh.com/micropub which is not a thing
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, what would you do for a share of a link only. its not a repost, just a share of a link
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ben_thatmustbeme i guess just an h-cite??
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Kongaloosh kylewm: aha! gimmie a 'mo
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: sounds like a bookmark?
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ben_thatmustbeme i suppose, to me bookmark means something i want to keep a list of vs just a share to followers of "hey check this link out"
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kylewm I would look at https://adactio.com/links/ for prior art
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks
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Kongaloosh kylewm: FIXED
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Kongaloosh thanks, man!
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kylewm great!
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, adactio does no markup at all on those links, other than to just be links in the content
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KevinMarks gillmor gang time
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dym_cx so, if i create a post of XFN nature (rel=follower/reader/listener...), would it be generally a "bookmark"?
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@ChrisAldrich @Petersell @withknown hope you're enjoying your #indieweb life as much as me. http://indiewebcamp.com (twitter.com/_/status/609454423077580800)
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@cschorn Toller Artikel von @diplix über das #Indieweb … inspirierend. http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7785/1/6/ (twitter.com/_/status/609459389376950272)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/609191971651846144
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@pmarca "The web is dead," he said, posting a link to a relevant article. (twitter.com/_/status/609191971651846144)
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@kevinmarks @om @naval indieweb - the app bubble is popping (twitter.com/_/status/609488551625908225)
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