#indiewebcamp 2015-06-16

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wwelves.org perpetual-tripper edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+438) "/* Potential requests that require JSON encoding */ += Offering asparagus" (view diff)
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@tomguarriello RT @kevinmarks: Is "neither, I have the #indieweb for that" an option? https://twitter.com/mathewi/status/610573770533814272 (twitter.com/_/status/610603909137203201)
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bret wow! super cool and forward way to publish an article! https://github.com/BloombergMedia/whatiscode
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bret and the article is great!
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KevinMarks_ it is good
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aaronpk okay I have just implemented a Micropub endpoint according to this draft: https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/532b1868541b3df9a412
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aaronpk i'm pretty happy with how that ended up working
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acegiak morning, all!
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GWG Morning, acegiak
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@betolive Ninguno! easy/lazy solution son las listas Twitter... el camino ideal, una combinación liveblog con #indieweb :) https://twitter.com/mathewi/status/610573770533814272 (twitter.com/_/status/610651124194934785)
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cweiske aaronpk, https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuthProtocol#3._Redirect_to_authorization_endpoint and 4 do not agree with each other:
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cweiske 3: client_id ..An authorization endpoint may show the application's icon and title to the user
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cweiske 4: It must indicate: The client_id making the request.. Including the name and logo if an h-card is found on the client_id URL
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cweiske it's a MAY vs. a MUST
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cweiske do we want to force indieauth servers to support MF?
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aaronpk technically it says must indicate the client_id, and separately the name and logo *if* an h-card is there
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cweiske also another issue: Is there a way for the auth server to verify client_id?
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cweiske aaronpk, this still sounds like I have to check for a h-card
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aaronpk if you don't want to check for h-card you can just display client_id
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cweiske or is not looking for a h-card = no h-card?
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aaronpk oh I see what you're saying though
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aaronpk yeah I would say looking for an h-card is optional. actually i think that is currently implemented as h-x-app
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cweiske.de edited /IndieAuthProtocol (+29) "/* 4. Verify user */" (view diff)
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cweiske gotta go to work. bb
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/101890076819383#10100460205551499 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/101890076819383#10155639146055307 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club
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tantek Loqi, any messages?
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Loqi tantek: bear left you a message on 6/15 at 8:29am: I just learned that Mozilla has a Brooklyn space and a Manhatten space - would you be able to find out if either of those are available for IWC? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-15/line/1434382149531
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Loqi tantek: benwerd left you a message 9 hours, 54 minutes ago: We just whiteboarded a sprint for this week, and Tumblr is on it http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-15/line/1434394693886
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Loqi :)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/101890076819383#10153023842707154 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/101890076819383#10100324345740486 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club
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tantek catches up on today's logs.
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tantek kylewm++ nice site design update!
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Loqi kylewm has 179 karma
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tantek !tell kylewm appears threading comments lost something though, e.g. https://kylewm.com/2015/06/not-necessarily-threaded-comments-like-reddit-but has your "try just replying to myself…" but not the reply to that http://tantek.com/2015/162/t3/reply-three-deep
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell kylewm also https://kylewm.com/2015/06/try-just-replying-to-myself shows a small person icon for my reply - any idea why?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu also the permalink should scroll down to the actual post instead of showing the response-context
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KartikPrabhu !tell kylewm maybe https://kylewm.com/2015/06/try-just-replying-to-myself should scroll down to the actual post instead of the reply-context. The visual design does not immediately distinguish between reply-context, actual post, replies
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle good morning indieweb
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acegiak morning, pfefferle
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tantek good morning pfefferle
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cweiske hiho
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Zegnat Good morning
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tantek good night
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Loqi sleep tight!
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tantek !tell benwerd apparently when I fixed my "like" post to be "just" a like rather than an errant "reply" and sent another webmention, your post still kept the errant "reply" version: http://werd.io/2015/t-likewise-thank-you-being-kind-to-yourself-is-a
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Morning, all
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@martinlindner @EskenSaskia @onlinebynature @eisenmed man könnte zusammen mit @ZUMTeam eine Neue Deutsche Edu-#Indieweb Welle proklamieren. (US-Import) (twitter.com/_/status/610726739338227712)
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Loqi [mention] https://timklapdor.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/make-your-own-slogan-myos/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] https://timklapdor.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/make-your-own-slogan-myos/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@martinlindner @eisenmed @EskenSaskia ja, stimmt, aber imho ist die wechselwirkung entscheidend: "open curriculum" und indieweb-prinzipien. (twitter.com/_/status/610728756303540224)
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tommorris.org edited /feed (+140) "/* Criticism */ adding rssdateformats.tumblr.com..." (view diff)
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tommorris enjoy that link, kids. :)
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cweiske so h-entries are not suceptible for that kind of errors?
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Zegnat cweiske: I see no reason why h-entries wouldn’t be susceptible for wrong date stamps. It all smells like manually-typed timestamps, those are easy to mess up
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GWG pfefferle: Good morning
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pfefferle GWG good morning
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GWG pfefferle: I couldn't sleep, so I sent you a pull request.
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petermolnar good morning
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petermolnar just by pure curiosity, is anyone here using (open|free)bsd for their servers?
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pfefferle GWG commented
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cweiske Zegnat, but some/many arguments agains (rss|atom) feeds have the base that feeds may be invalid
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GWG pfefferle: In the PR, reply is p, everything else is u. That should work.
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pfefferle GWG u- is only for link elements
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pfefferle and the class is on an article/div
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pfefferle therefore it has to be a p-
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GWG https://indiewebcamp.com/like
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GWG The example shows u-like on the article tag
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pfefferle yes, but that is a link in the example
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petermolnar I will always keep my rss feed, even if it's only for the memory of Aaron Swartz
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pfefferle GWG a, there is one below, ok… might be a ”žbug“
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GWG I'm confused again
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pfefferle GWG https://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp
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GWG But that is publishing one vs displaying an incoming one
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GWG An incoming one is alway a link
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pfefferle it is a parsing thing… for u- you have to parse href, src and date
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Zegnat cweiske: RSS requires RFC 822 dates, if you manually write those you can mess up. HTML5 requires “valid date string” / “valid time string” (while ISO 8601 based HTML doesn’t seem to use ISO 8601 ???), if you manually write those you can mess up.
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pfefferle GWG for p- you have to use the value
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pfefferle and for e- you have to use the value with HTML and stuff
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pfefferle GWG that is how I understood it
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Zegnat GWG, pfefferleL http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#naming_conventions_for_generic_parsing
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cweiske Zegnat, just read the "Consuming feed files is problematic and fragile." link on the /feed page
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cweiske most of them are format-agnostic problems
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cweiske s/most/all]
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: all] of them are format-agnostic problems
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cweiske s/]/]]
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: s/most/all]]
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cweiske s/]/]]
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: s/]]/]]]]
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GWG pfefferle: Everytime I think I have it...
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cweiske Loqi, it does not get better
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GWG pfefferle: So 100% p-?
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pfefferle GWG if I am right, yes
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pfefferle GWG and you don’t have to remove the h-as stuff… add the p- things additionally
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Zegnat use p- if the HTML tree doesn’t matter. If there are HTML elements within your container that are important (i.e. they are part of the “value”) use e-
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pfefferle Zegnat yes, that is how I understood it
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pfefferle GWG Zegnat and there is another possibility ”žp-comment h-entry“ means, that the h-entry is a comment of the h- microformat above
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Zegnat p-comment h-entry sounds… odd. h-entry is a root class, so I would guess you have several data elements in the tree below that? So why have p-comment and not e-comment?
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pfefferle http://microformats.org/wiki/comment-brainstorming#Proposal
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pfefferle Zegnat <div class=”žh-entry“>… <div class=”žp-comment h-entry“>… </div> </div>
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Zegnat pfefferle, reading it now, and I personally think those should be e-
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Zegnat why would a parser ever want to parse those as text?
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Zegnat http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_a_p-_property
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pfefferle Zegnat I think we are not talking about the same: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnotizblog.org%2F2015%2F05%2F03%2Fmein-indieview-fuer-deutschlandradio-kultur-breitband%2F%23comments see ”žcomment“
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Zegnat If I look there, the value of a comment parsed by a microformats parser is:
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Zegnat "value": "Tim Pietrusky hat dieses Audio-Dokument auf twitter.com ge-\"liked\"\n\n \n \n Tim Pietrusky \n \n 3. Mai 2015 bei 15:15"
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Zegnat I *think* if you would mark it up as e-comment that value should include the full “html” as well, which makes more sense to me here.
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Zegnat pfefferle_: did you just get my 3 lines about the value of your comments, or did you timeout for those?
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pfefferle_ Zegnat no, but I re-read them, thanks
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pfefferle We are still not talking about the same… I only wanted to mention that you can define ”žsup-formats“ if you are using p-something with h-something ;)
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Zegnat I just hope I am making sense, it is a bit of a weird issue. Overall, I think *all* mf implementations understand that there is a comment there, and they will happily parse the h-entry metadata, BUT if you were to ask an mf parser for the value of the comments on your blogpost you will get plain text back ("value" of "comment" on pin13) rather than the HTML you might expect.
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Zegnat Totally getting sub-formats, only doubting the use of p-
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Zegnat cweiske: you are right, most of the points made on Brent Simmons’ blog re: parsing feeds apply to HTML and mf. There is no real reason to think they are RSS only and implementers of h-feed readers might have to jump through hoops just as much
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tommorris cweiske, Zegnat: sure, but a lot of them flow from invisibility of the data. HTML is a lot more visible than RSS
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cweiske no
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cweiske When the feed is gone/errored, publisher may still return a 200 OK but send an HTML page instead.
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cweiske you don't see if your html 404s or 200s
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cweiske Using permanent redirects for temporary errors - same
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cweiske Using very slow or overloaded servers.
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cweiske this happens with html, too
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cweiske Very slow responses, or responses that never actually complete - can happen with html, too
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cweiske Infinitely long responses. eg, feed server has an error and prints an error message in a infinite loop until something stops it - same
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tommorris the point is more if someone uses a fucked up date format on their HTML pages, you see it. if they do so in their RSS feed, the only person who sees is it is the grumbly programmer who writes rssdateformats.tumblr.com ;-)
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cweiske sometimes they misidentify RSS as something else (eg, text/plain). - same
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cweiske tommorris, no, you don't see it
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cweiske because it's hidden
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Zegnat You don’t, date formats are often under <time datetime>
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cweiske yep
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cweiske Returning an HTML page containing HTML/Javascript redirects instead of using HTTP redirects. - same problem with html
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cweiske Infinite redirect loops.
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cweiske - same
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tommorris header/meta stuff is invisble regardless of format, but stuff in human-readable HTML surfaces a lot more than stuff in machine-readable XML
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cweiske but that's the http section
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tommorris because strangely enough humans consume the HTML and not XML
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cweiske *my* blog is published as xml
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cweiske application/xhtml+xml
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cweiske strict
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Zegnat tommorris: your own timestamps are invisible data, just sayin’ ;)
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tommorris cweiske: okay, XHTML is kind of a weird exception
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Zegnat rssdateformats.tumblr.com - has a point, people don’t understand timestamps
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tommorris it has a broader point - errors lurk for longer in RSS feeds than they do in HTML
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Zegnat cweiske is mostly talking about the Brent Simmons link, which makes good points that are also valid for HTML h-feeds
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Zegnat there is no proof of that. There might be blogs right now using illegal values for datetime attributes but we don’t know yet
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cweiske tommorris, nobody notices if you screw up your h-feed and h-entry classes and timestamps and other hidden metadata
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cweiske not a single of your users looking at your page in the browser
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cweiske not a single one
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Zegnat It is a bit of a moot discussion though, until h-feed gets half the adoption of RSS we simply can’t tell how people might mess up
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cweiske that's the correct answer: not *if*, but *how* they will mess up :)
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GWG pfefferle: I'll revise submission then tonight. Having the -like makes the test parsers happy
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GWG I also have to switch from p-content the
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GWG to e-content at kylewm's request
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GWG That reminds me, this is still a bit rough but how does the mention/comments presentation look on this?
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/10/23/farewell-dublin/
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GWG I think I got the presentation to a nice level of simplicity
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aaronpk good times https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2015Jun/0011.html
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Zegnat GWG: it is a clear presentation, but I feel a little weird about the error. Wouldn’t at/on/@ be better? “Scott Eckers @ facebook.com: [comment]”
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jonnybarnes anyone here running a push server? what value for lease_seconds do you use?
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cweiske I do
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cweiske default is 1 week here
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jonnybarnes so 604,800
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cweiske http://git.cweiske.de/phubb.git/blob/HEAD:/www/hub-subscribe.php#l7
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jonnybarnes or can the lease_seconds field literally take values like 1 week
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cweiske $defaultLeaseSeconds = 7 * 86400 + 3600;
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jonnybarnes why do you add an extra hour on?
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cweiske to make it possible to run a cronjob every 7 days
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cweiske without having the subscription expiring
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cweiske values like "1 week" cannot be given.
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cweiske hubs could implement ISO 8601, which specifies durations like P1Y, P2W, P2D
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cweiske but none does I think
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cweiske it's also not specified
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: I do 3 days right now. I like cweiske's idea of adding on an extra hour tho
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cweiske it will break on DST changes :)
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aaronpk i mean ultimately subscribers should proactively refresh feeds before they expire, so like checking on some more frequent cron like every hour and refreshing ones that are expiring within an hour
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cweiske yep
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cweiske aaronpk, when will indieauth.com send the client_id to indieauth servers?
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aaronpk after I or someone else implements it ;)
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cweiske doesn't sound like it's on top of your priority list
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aaronpk there are a few things ahead of it
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aaronpk if I could spend all my time on indieweb things I would :)
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aaronpk sadly that does not pay the bills right now
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cweiske does someone know if known pays the bills?
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adactio.com edited /2015/Brighton (+197) "/* Participating */" (view diff)
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rhiaro I'm working on making indieweb enough of my PhD that I can work on it all the time :)
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aaronpk that's almost the same
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rhiaro aka I'm only doing indieweb/socialwg stuff anyway so I have to summon a thesis out of it or I won't have anything
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jonnybarnes yeah, thats what the spec says right? If a subscription doesn't renew by the time luease_seconds has expired, then forget about that subscription?
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jonnybarnes or am I remembering that wrong?
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aaronpk yeah, the hub stops delivering to the susbcriber after it expires
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KevinMarks So apple now supports SVG favicons but still wants multiple bitmaps as well?
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aaronpk maybe that's a sign they'll be moving to SVG for app icons?
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Zegnat KevinMarks, do you have a link about that for me?
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tantek what is SVG?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SVG" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SVG&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-16%2Fline%2F1434470339252
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tantek what is a favicon?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "favicon" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=favicon&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-16%2Fline%2F1434470347453
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tantek what is icon?
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Loqi An icon in the context of the indieweb typically refers to a home page icon for an indieweb site https://indiewebcamp.com/icon
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tantek KevinMarks: ^^^
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ben_thatmustbeme wonder if loqi shouldn't return "maybe you wanted" options or something
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aaronpk search is hard
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ben_thatmustbeme search is difficult, the sidewalk is hard
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ben_thatmustbeme ;P
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tantek !tell benwerd for that Tumblr sprint, I suppose we need to better document all the different Tumblr post types and indieweb equivalents then right? so that export Tumblr, import to IndieWeb, and then POSSE IndieWeb -> Tumblr are work with high fidelity. :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@twobitidiot Excited to be working with this team on a "coin-first" social media platform. #OwnYourData with RVL. https://twitter.com/TechCrunch/status/610839310061809664 (twitter.com/_/status/610840185572605952)
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kylewm good morning
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 10 minutes ago: appears threading comments lost something though, e.g. https://kylewm.com/2015/06/not-necessarily-threaded-comments-like-reddit-but has your "try just replying to myself…" but not the reply to that http://tantek.com/2015/162/t3/reply-three-deep http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-15/line/1434434121775
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 10 minutes ago: also https://kylewm.com/2015/06/try-just-replying-to-myself shows a small person icon for my reply - any idea why? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-15/line/1434434172078
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Loqi kylewm: KartikPrabhu left you a message 9 hours, 55 minutes ago: maybe https://kylewm.com/2015/06/try-just-replying-to-myself should scroll down to the actual post instead of the reply-context. The visual design does not immediately distinguish between reply-context, actual post, replies http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-15/line/1434435018151
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adactio.com edited /2015/Brighton (+104) "/* Participating */" (view diff)
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kylewm tantek__: the small icon is because it's a copy of a copy... and my old design used very small avatar icons. perhaps I should mark up avatars with a data tag that has the full-size image!
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kylewm heh, my salmentions implementation needs some work... it bypasses the normal de-duplication it seems
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kylewm I very frequently have this problem with mf2 markup where i want two <div> columns | avatar | name and content |
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kylewm very hard to markup the "p-author h-card" that way
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@LukasRosenstock @picnic_support A user profile with rel="me" links as a minimal #IndieWeb site would be a nice addition for your example snippets! (twitter.com/_/status/610844500114710528)
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KevinMarks_ can't you just float the avatar left?
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kylewm KevinMarks_: is it possible to clear the column below the avatar then?
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kylewm so the text doesn't wrap under it
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KevinMarks_ hm. I am not CSS expert enough to get that right
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kylewm I think you can do something like that with overflow: off
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: example url for css probelm?
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KevinMarks_ there's probably a way with giving the image a negative offset so it goes into the column
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: no css problem yet, it's just a markup problem for now https://kylewm.com/2015/06/hurts-just-looking-at-it
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KartikPrabhu what's the markup probelm?
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KartikPrabhu oh i see from scrollback
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: you shouldn't need to use 2 divs to make such columns must be doable with CSS. here is a way
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KartikPrabhu put everything in the "content" column including avatar, make it have a right margin of the size of avatar. use position: relative on avatar to shift it to the left
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kylewm got it, OK thanks I will try that. Should work better on mobile too
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: this also worked in FF dev tools. I moved the image into "content-column". content-column has margin-left:3em and then the image has margin-left:-3em;
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: do i still need to float: left on the image?
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KartikPrabhu i don't think so let me check. So I just moved the <img> tag which has no float and it worked
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KevinMarks_ you only need float if you want the wrapping stuff
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KevinMarks_ KartikPrabhu just explained what I was handwaving about
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kylewm without float, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/no-float-radio.png
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KevinMarks_ do check on a very narrow screen though
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KartikPrabhu waves
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: hmm funny. Chrome?
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kylewm with float, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/float-on.png
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KevinMarks_ 'cos I have seen weird crap like one word a line when people do fixed margins
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: use float then :). the float "clears" the space thingie
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kylewm feels bad for people who don't have quantum physicists to help fix their css
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KartikPrabhu take that back. I am a mathematical physicist ;)
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kylewm can never remember!
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KartikPrabhu if the stupid writers at Big Bang Theory use this exchange somewhere, we can sue them now :)
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KevinMarks_ Schrödinger's CSS
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kylewm thanks y'all, that fixed at least two problems i was having
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kylewm KartikPrabhu++
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kylewm KevinMarks++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 96 karma
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Loqi KevinMarks has 119 karma
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KevinMarks_ there's a box model joke there somewhere
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KartikPrabhu haha!
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KartikPrabhu I still don't understand flex-box tbh. Really complicated stuff for CSS
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KevinMarks_ webkit-radius vs schwartzchild-radius
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KartikPrabhu flex-box is supposed to solve all of this layout stuff apparently
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KevinMarks_ can it express the Pinterest style tiling?
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ url?
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KevinMarks_ looks liek ti cna do the google photos style https://css-tricks.com/snippets/css/a-guide-to-flexbox/
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KevinMarks_ pinterest has fixed width columns horizontally, with variable height items vertically that tuck in under each other
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks_ I think flexbox is more about getting uniform heights to adjacent things
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KevinMarks_ aha http://demosthenes.info/blog/825/Pinterest-Style-Layout-In-Pure-CSS
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KartikPrabhu but I think Pinterest stuff can also be done
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KartikPrabhu though I have tried that layout before (with JS) and it fails miserably if the "boxes" have wildy different heights
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KevinMarks_ er http://demosthenes.info/blog/844/Easy-Masonry-Layout-With-Flexbox
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KartikPrabhu yeah Masonry was the thing I used
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KevinMarks_ me too
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KartikPrabhu can still be viewed on old blog here: http://paralleltransport.blogspot.com/
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KevinMarks_ http://codepen.io/dudleystorey/pen/eAqzk
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KevinMarks_ though thta isn't fitting the number of columns
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cweiske aaronpk, indieauth.com has to pass indieauth.com as client_id because auth servers use it to verify the redirect_uri parameter
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cweiske https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuthProtocol#Redirect_URI_verification
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aaronpk oh yeah and the redirect_uri is always gonna be indieauth.com/something huh
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cweiske so unless you want to require apps using indieauth.com to know and to link to the indieauth.com redirect uri, you cannot use their URL as client_id
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aaronpk hm well that isn't the worst idea actually, because if an app is using indieauth.com it's because it has the trusted relationship with it
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KartikPrabhu shouldn't it be up to the app what it wants to link to ?
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KartikPrabhu indieauth shouldn't *require* apps to link to anything no?
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: no this is when an app uses indieauth.com rather than implementing indieauth protocol on its own
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KartikPrabhu aah I see
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aaronpk i could make this whole thing more explicit by requiring people sign up for an account before their app can use indieauth.com or something
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aaronpk s/whole thing/relationship
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: i could make this relationship more explicit by requiring people sign up for an account before their app can use indieauth.com or something
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ben_thatmustbeme why would logging in be useful?
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GWG The more I think I get things, the less I do
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aaronpk it woudln't, that's my point
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aaronpk but I *could* have
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aaronpk it might be useful to me, to make sure I have contact info for people using it in case I need to get in touch
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aaronpk or if I had a legal department it would give me a chance to make people click the "I agree to the terms and conditions" box before using it
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ben_thatmustbeme well i suppose
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ben_thatmustbeme the only thing i could see is the ability to man in the middle and change the redirect_uri, many oauth endpoints make you specify where you will redirect beforehand
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aaronpk that's why redirect URI registration is required
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aaronpk which is handled in indieauth by publishing your valid redirect URIs on the client_id page
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ben_thatmustbeme my head hurts now
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ben_thatmustbeme :P
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aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuthProtocol#Redirect_URI_verification
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah sorry i missed a bunch of the earlier stuff, i was distracted watching an entire orchestra play 4'33"
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ben_thatmustbeme s/play/perform
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: yeah sorry i missed a bunch of the earlier stuff, i was distracted watching an entire orchestra perform 4'33"
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aaronpk oh hey this is interesting and potentially relevant http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/16/googles-app-engine-for-php-hits-general-availability/
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snarfed aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 847 karma
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snarfed and i'm happy to (try to) answer any app engine q's
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snarfed the GA label is mostly just marketing/messaging - the PHP support has been available and solid for a while - but still
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aaronpk most important: is the free tier per app or per account? :D
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snarfed per app!
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cweiske " All applications are free within a usage quota that is reset daily. Paid applications can use more at the prices below. "
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snarfed free quota is effectively one full server
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aaronpk I wonder if I should rewrite my PuSH hub to work on appengine
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cweiske you want to support google?
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aaronpk i want to manage less hardware
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snarfed sysadmin—
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snarfed aaronpk: bedtime reading: https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/php/taskqueue/ , https://cloud.google.com/pubsub/docs
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aaronpk eep I just got a "your twitter login link" email
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aaronpk "You are receiving this message because we noticed you were having trouble logging in to your account."
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cweiske.de edited /IndieAuthProtocol (+0) "/* 3. Redirect to authorization endpoint */ fix typo" (view diff)
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aaronpk hm apparently I can't use a google voice phone number for login verifications on twitter, and twitter won't let me use the app-based verification without adding a phone number which is dumb
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cweiske aaronpk, could you pass me the indieauth.com log entries which show what failed when I tried to log in? I can't really follow kylewm's analysis in https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/95
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aaronpk i can try
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cweiske do you still have them or shall I try to login again?
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aaronpk it's scrolled way back, i need you to try to log in again
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cweiske ok
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cweiske done
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aaronpk great
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aaronpk added to the gitub issue
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cweiske thx
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cweiske aaronpk, I don't have a ruby setup to test it. can you roll that patch out on a test server or even live?
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@pierreozoux @GetEventsCo Just out of curiosity, do you http://indiewebcamp.com/ and microformat2? http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-event (twitter.com/_/status/610890872670937088)
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aaronpk sure let's see how this goes
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aaronpk cweiske: try on https://aaronpk.indieauth.com/
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cweiske :/
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aaronpk that's one of the live ones
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cweiske did not work
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Jeena so the homebrew club in portland is tomorrow?
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aaronpk same thing?
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aaronpk Jeena: yeah!
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cweiske Something went horribly wrong!
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cweiske you'll have to look into the logs
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aaronpk oh I think the redirect took you back to a different server :P
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aaronpk i'll roll it out to all of them
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aaronpk try now
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kylewm worked for me!
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cweiske Congrats! You've successfully authenticated as http://cweiske.de/
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aaronpk wooo
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cweiske awesome
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cweiske which means I can dump the github link from my homepage now.
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aaronpk hah cool
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cweiske aaronpk, indieauth.com does not link the redirect_uri in its html head
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aaronpk sounds like another easy pull request ;-)
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cweiske you're trying to trick me into writing ruby!
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aaronpk muahaha
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kylewm https://twitter.com/utilitylimb/status/126780301211992064
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@UtilityLimb Programming Skills: PRIMARILY RUBY AND PYTHON BUT I CAN USE ANY TYPE OF GEM TO CONTROL ANY TYPE OF SNAKE (twitter.com/_/status/126780301211992064)
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aaronpk more ruby was required for your last fix than this one :P
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KevinMarks_ does PHP on appengine need big rewrites to make things work? Given how appengine discourages filesystem access, SQL etc
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aaronpk i would assume so
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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snarfed very app dependent, rigtht?
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snarfed mysql is definitely supported (on goog cloud sql)
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snarfed afaik they have wordpress, drupal, and mediawiki running
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KevinMarks_ ah right, that's new since original appengine
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snarfed hah yes, original app engine was in 08 after all :P
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KevinMarks_ true, but you know what I mean - the python and java stuff expected you to use datastore
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ben_thatmustbeme wow, just noticed the crowd for IWC in Brighton
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ben_thatmustbeme thats like 40 people
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aaronpk yeah i'm impressed and pdx needs to step up somehow
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cweiske aaronpk, https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/pull/102
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cweiske fixd
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aaronpk :thumbsup:
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aaronpk cweiske: just rolled it out!
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cweiske seems to work!
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aaronpk w00t
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cweiske now I can add redirect_uri verification to the indieauth-openid proxy
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aaronpk cweiske++
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gRegorLove I know tantek suggested it, but has anyone started reaching out to /2014 Portland attendees?
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aaronpk I pinged a couple people but could use some help
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gRegorLove I can send some tweets. Don't want to pester people if they've already been asked though.
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gRegorLove Who have you pinged?
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aaronpk gRegorLove: moving to #indiechat
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Loqi [mention] gRegor Morrill posted 'IndieWebCamp is coming up July 11–12th in Portland. Who else is coming? http://indiewebcamp.com/2015' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (/notes/2015/06/16/1/)
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@gRegorLove IndieWebCamp is coming up July 11–12th in Portland. Who else is coming? http://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (twitter.com/_/status/610920537070505984)
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Loqi [mention] gRegor Morrill posted '@awolftune Are you coming to IndieWebCamp this year? July 11–12th in Portland https://indiewebcamp.com/2015' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (/notes/2015/06/16/2/)
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@gRegorLove @awolftune Are you coming to IndieWebCamp this year? July 11–12th in Portland https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (twitter.com/_/status/610921882901065728)
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Loqi [mention] gRegor Morrill posted '@caseorganic Are you coming to IndieWebCamp Portland this year? July 11–12th https://indiewebcamp.com/2015' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (/notes/2015/06/16/3/)
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@gRegorLove @caseorganic Are you coming to IndieWebCamp Portland this year? July 11–12th https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (twitter.com/_/status/610922666086658048)
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Loqi [mention] gRegor Morrill posted '@thatgirl Are you coming to IndieWebCamp this year? July 11–12th in Portland https://indiewebcamp.com/2015' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (/notes/2015/06/16/4/)
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@gRegorLove @thatgirl Are you coming to IndieWebCamp this year? July 11–12th in Portland https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (twitter.com/_/status/610922986552463360)
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Loqi [mention] gRegor Morrill posted '@brianjesse Are you coming to IndieWebCamp Portland this year? July 11–12th https://indiewebcamp.com/2015' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (/notes/2015/06/16/5/)
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@gRegorLove @brianjesse Are you coming to IndieWebCamp Portland this year? July 11–12th https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (twitter.com/_/status/610923794648031235)
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kylewm checks gRegorLove's markup for u-invitee
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aaronpk kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 180 karma
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kylewm :P
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gRegorLove doesn't even know what that is :)
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gRegorLove reads /invitation
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/101890076819383#10205411099895441 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/101890076819383#10204679122316561 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-06-17-homebrew-website-club
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aaronpk oh great I got added to a giant twitter group message that is spam
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Loqi slack/tantek: How? Did you enable anyone to DM you?
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aaronpk yeah, and then after that they launched group messaging
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aaronpk sneaky
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KevinMarks https://mikeash.com/pyblog/i-do-not-agree-to-your-terms.html?utm_source=indieweb&utm_medium=irc&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+loopinsight%2FKqJb+(The+Loop)&utm_content=html
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Loqi slack/tantek: Yeah that's lame
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Loqi slack/tantek: Hey Gregor could you start a /invitation#Prototypes section like this one and start documenting your "text only" invitation notes/tweets?
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Loqi slack/tantek: This one meaning: <http://indiewebcamp.com/checkin#Prototypes>
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Loqi slack/tantek: Even though "Are you going to ?" Is not quite an invitation, would still be helpful to capture the practice
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Loqi slack/tantek: Or what you came up with as a text equivalent when aiming for a Twitter based invitation message.
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gRegorLove Sure