#indiewebcamp 2015-06-17

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gRegorLove
Open to suggestions on the text, too.
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Loqi
slack/tantek: KevinMarks do you a citation/reference to the entire original email from Apple?
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shaunguice
Hi Indiewebcamp. I am a first-timer who found my way here via the getting started materials. I’ve hosted my own basic site for a few years now, mostly for use as a project portfolio. In the short-term I’d like to turn it into a place for sharing short stories. I <3 the idea of owning my own data and I look forward to learning, building, and following along with this community. -shaun
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Loqi
slack/tantek: Also please add to /RSS#Criticism - that is, RSS is such a bad "standard" that it causes corp legal depts to write and send really stupid emails.
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Loqi
slack/tantek: Citing the aforementioned reference to the full email.
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gRegorLove
Hi shaunguice, welcome.
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kylewm
@tantek genuinely curious how RSS as a standard has anythign to do with corporate legal stupidity
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GWG
kylewm: There was something I wanted to ask you, but I can't remember what. You don't have any idea, do you?
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kylewm
GWG: about p-content vs. e-content or somesuch?
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GWG
kylewm: Possibly. This morning, I got even more confused about what I thought I understood with u-like vs p-like with pfefferle.
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GWG
Every time I think I get it, I feel like I'm back at square one.
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GWG
Either that, or I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and I just have an inferiority complex.
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GWG
But probably I'm wrong.
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kylewm
well, you know generally, that neither p- nor u- is right or wrong, right? they are just parsing directives
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KevinMarks_
pfefferle was asking for p-entry instead of h-entry but I'm not sure why
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GWG
kylewm: I thought u made sense because it is a property of a url, even if not attached to the link, but...
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GWG
Either way, the link I posted earlier in the day, how does your parser react to that? I'm still tweaking.
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kylewm
can you post again?
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GWG
Still testing it.
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GWG
And the u-like/p-like was rejected by pfefferle, so I'd have to recode that.
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GWG
kylewm: Did the changes address the issues you saw on acegiak's site? I'm still fiddling and tweaking.
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kylewm
GWG: OK so one issue is that you have "u-like h-cite", but the citation itself doesn't have a u-url
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kylewm
the difference b/t "u-like h-cite" and "p-like h-cite" is what is fills in the "value" of the parsed object; with the recent changes to the parsing spec that means whether it takes the "url" property or the "name" property
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kylewm
(can't imagine why anyone would be confused by the :P)
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kylewm
and, generally I'm not sure we have the use cases for *-like to figure out what the markup needs to be
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gRegorLove
It can certainly be p-confusing
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KartikPrabhu
I don't see how the markup for likes is any different from the mark up for any other type of response post
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: to be clear, this is marking up received likes below a post, as opposed to marking up a "like" post
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GWG
kylewm: I think I used existing code for that. WIll check.
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gregorlove.com
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gRegorLove
I think to do /invitations properly, I would need a nickname cache set up so on my site it would link to the invitee' homepage, and on Twitter it would be replaced with their @username
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kylewm.com
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gregorlove.com
edited /invitation (+2) "/* Prototypes */ section nesting"
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kylewm
gRegorLove: to avoid tweeting "https://kylewm.com Are you going to attend ..." ?
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kylewm
I hope i didn't derail your invitation efforts with the comment about p-invitee
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gRegorLove
Oh no, haha
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: same question how is different from marking up any other response?
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KartikPrabhu
because there is nothign to "cite" ?
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: I'm not sure it is... and I don't know if there is a correct answer "p-like h-cite" vs. "u-like h-cite"... what's more representative, the text "so and so liked this" or the URL that the like came from
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gRegorLove
Just got busy with work-work
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kylewm
also should it be "p-like h-cite" or "p-like h-comment"?
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GWG
This is why I'm confused.
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KartikPrabhu
URL. "so and so liked this" is already implicit in the *-like part. Unless you are inserting some non-trivial text/content
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KartikPrabhu
"p-comment u-like h-cite"
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KartikPrabhu
p-comment says it is a comment to the actual post. u-like says this is a like and probably has no non-trivial content. h-cite makes it an object inside with you can put author and url etc...
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KartikPrabhu
in fact inside the h-cite one can have "e-content" which a consumer can use if they really want to
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: That is what kylewm wanted from me.
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KartikPrabhu
in fact I'd do that markup for all responses and my hunch is it should work without trouble
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kylewm
p-comment u-like???
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KartikPrabhu
now that I've said it let me parse that :P
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kylewm
ack, I mistakenly said "p-like h-comment" earlier, please ignore that! no h-comment, bad h-comment
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: I have been treating -comment and -like as mutually exclusive, a reponse is one or the other
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GWG
kylewm: I agree with that in concept. -comment and -like don't mix.
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KartikPrabhu
no. all responses are comments. Reply is different from like
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gregorlove.com
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GWG
I think of p-comment more for annotation. A like is a relationship more than a response.
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KartikPrabhu
s/are comments/are comments in mf2
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: no. all responses are comments in mf2. Reply is different from like
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gregorlove.com
edited /code-of-conduct-feedback (+75) "/* Open Discussions */ oops, signed"
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: sure you can think of them however you want, but there is a mf2 vocabulary already set and one should not invent new terms
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KartikPrabhu
for example tags are p-category
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: where does it say all response are comments?
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KartikPrabhu
hmm I agree p-comment is redundant for like
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KartikPrabhu
but u-like h-cite still works
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gregorlove.com
edited /code-of-conduct-examples (+66) "/* CC BY */ Django Code of Conduct"
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kylewm
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
gRegorLove has 9 karma
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kylewm
gRegorLove: how did you end up with {gRegor} as your signature there? did you use ~~~~?
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gRegorLove
I tried putting my template in my signature preferences. Doesn't work apparently.
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gRegorLove
Probably for good reason, heh
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GWG
KartikPrabhu, kylewm: Aren't we in agreement then about like?
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GWG
I may be a bit slow. I'm exhausted and my body thinks it is later than it is.
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gRegorLove
Oh, it does work. I just forgot template syntax apparently :)
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gregorlove.com
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kylewm
"u-like h-cite" and "u-repost h-cite"
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kylewm
I think those are correct
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KartikPrabhu
and p-comment for replies
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KartikPrabhu
that is an awkward departure from the mf2 used for actually replying.
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kylewm
http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_markup says p-comment too, though I could argue that it could be u-comment
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KartikPrabhu
I'd like *-reply
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KartikPrabhu
since *-like-of becomes *-like and *-repost-of becomes *-repost
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kylewm
i'd guess the weird reply/comment dichotomy comes from mf1?
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cweiske.de
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cweiske.de
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gRegorLove
Bridgy Facebook backfeed doesn't like me anymore. :/
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@CaptainKurtis
RT @HongPong: anyone wigging out about reddit banning whatever needs to roll up their sleeves and build their own websites, #indiewebcamp s…
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@book_tribe
• R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http://www.amazon.com/dp/1326242776?tag=7654-20
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RT @book_tribe: • R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http:/…
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pfefferle
good morning indieweb
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notizblog.org
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notizblog.org
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GWG
pfefferle: Good morning.
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GWG
pfefferle: Re having the p-like etc... It looks so good in the parser...
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GWG
The likes are clustered, the comments/replies are clustered...
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csarven
What is p-value ?
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GWG
Oh, well. As I said, the more I think I get it, the less I seem to
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csarven
heh.. Looking forward to that.
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pfefferle
GWG nice
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GWG
pfefferle: That's why I'm trying to find a solution for this.
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GWG
I want to find the 'right' one though
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pfefferle
GWG isn’t your proposal the right solution?
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Zegnat
Good afternoon all
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LanceyWork
morning, Zegnat
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GWG
pfefferle: I think so. But you have to accept the PR once I tweak it
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pfefferle
GWG sure I will! I like the change!!
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vanderven.se martijn
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GWG
pfefferle: Then I can work on new email notifications
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GWG
It was driving me crazy on vacation
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GWG
I had to log in to figure out what the mention was
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@RichardFrench4
RT @book_tribe: • R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http:/…
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Loqi
[bridgy] Brian Hendrickson replied '@gRegorLove it's on my calendar, i'm planning to be there!' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/brianjesse/status/611226090762166274)
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Loqi
[mention] gRegor Morrill commented '@brianjesse Look forward to seeing you there! Don't forget to RSVP. :) http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List (/notes/2015/06/17/4/)
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aaronpk
I just realized what Brighton is doing
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gRegorLove
Paying people? jk
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aaronpk
and have a theory of why they have more RSVPs
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aaronpk
look at the "Register" section here https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Brighton
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aaronpk
the "sign up to attend" is a ti.to registration page to get a free ticket
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aaronpk
and then they say "Once you've done that, please add yourself to this page"
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aaronpk
my theory is that this works better because the initial action of "buying" the ticket is more definitive and easier than signing in to the wiki
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kylewm
oh! Adactio is adding those people
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gRegorLove
Eenteresting
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aaronpk
also he doesn't have the Creator/Blogger/Apprentice distinction on the page anymore, which we talked about in person at IWC Germany
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kylewm
we talked about it at length on here too last year
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aaronpk
I think the distinction has served its purpose and is no longer useful
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Loqi
[bridgy] gRegor ♥ Morrill replied '@brianjesse Look forward to seeing you there! Don't forget to RSVP. :) indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/611235476532387841)
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gRegorLove
I thought we simplified that on one of the subsequent IWC pages, actually.
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gRegorLove
looks around
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aaronpk
ohhh yeah
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aaronpk
adds that back to /2015
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aaronpk
oh it still has the creator language though
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gRegorLove
Hah, jinx
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gRegorLove
laggy jinx
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gRegorLove
I'm going to add Amanda since she's coming this year. She can/has signed into the wiki, but it's just easier since I'm always in there.
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kylewm
I can haz signed into wiki?
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KartikPrabhu
gives kylewm signed into wiki
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kylewm
eats the signed into wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme
kylewm: writing a new indieweb probject in lolcode?
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aaronpk
stop pretending to be Loqi it freaks me out
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Loqi
who, me?
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gRegorLove
who, kylewm?
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gregorlove.com
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: So if you're putting the simplified categories on /2015/Guest_List should we remove the Apprentices sub-section?
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gregorlove.com
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2015/Guest_List () "(-673) /* Official Guest List */ replace with new have/want categories, and soften the requirements if you don't have a site yet"
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aaronpk
oh crap
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aaronpk
i just clobbered that didn't i
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Loqi
lolz
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gRegorLove
No, doesn't look like it.
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gRegorLove
It would have warned you
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aaronpk
oh i thought you removed the headers, not just the counts
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gRegorLove
What is ti.to?
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gRegorLove
ti.to is an event management site that was used fot [[2015/Brighton]] http://ti.to
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loqi.me
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GWG
Afternoon
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cweiske
aaronpk, is it possible to get a nicer name on my indieauth.id.cweiske.de/ button on indieauth.com? http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2015-06-17%20indieauth.com%20federated%20login.png
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aaronpk
maybe it could publish an h-card (or h-x-app) with a name it could display?
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cweiske
it could. does indieauth.com support that already?
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aaronpk
but that seems like it might work
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronparecki.com
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gRegorLove
It's on, Brighton.
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aaronpk
I made tito ask for your website after getting the ticket :)
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KevinMarks_
tito says "This event is not live. Check back soon!"
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aaronpk
oops weird, i was able to register :)
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aaronpk
now it's live
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Jeena
Hm, so I have <a rel="me" href="/about"> on my homepage and on the /about page I have all the link to the profiles like on Twitter, Github, etc. but when I try to log in into the indie wiki then it tells me that this is not enough
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: are you actually coming to portland!
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aaronpk
Jeena: that is enough in theory, but no implementations of relmeauth currently support that
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Jeena
I see, hm ok, thanks
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KevinMarks_
I'd like to, but I am not sure how to fund it. if I get some more paid work soon, yes.
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KevinMarks_
otherwise I'll remote attend
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benwerd
What does the group think about WebAssembly? I think it's probably necessary.
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 day, 11 hours ago: apparently when I fixed my "like" post to be "just" a like rather than an errant "reply" and sent another webmention, your post still kept the errant "reply" version: http://werd.io/2015/t-likewise-thank-you-being-kind-to-yourself-is-a http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-16/line/1434440178623
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 day, 3 hours ago: for that Tumblr sprint, I suppose we need to better document all the different Tumblr post types and indieweb equivalents then right? so that export Tumblr, import to IndieWeb, and then POSSE IndieWeb -> Tumblr are work with high fidelity. :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-16/line/1434470566637
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GWG
I'm almost at the point where I think I should hold IWC NYC in my living room
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aaronpk
alright I got the event page and guest list cleaned up, and made a tito registration page
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aaronpk
should we see how this is received once I start posting it?
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aaronpk
kylewm: should probably remove the link to that domain since it goes to a spam page now
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@aaronpk
Registration for IndieWebCamp 2015 is now open! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland Would love to see you there!
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RT @aaronpk: Registration for IndieWebCamp 2015 is now open! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland Would love to see you there!
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@christi3k
RT @aaronpk: Registration for IndieWebCamp 2015 is now open! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland Would love to see you there!
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@benwerd
If you care about owning your own space on the Internet, #indiewebcamp is the event for you. It's free: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland
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@indiewebcamp
RT @benwerd: If you care about owning your own space on the Internet, #indiewebcamp is the event for you. It's free: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland
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@gRegorLove
RT @benwerd: If you care about owning your own space on the Internet, #indiewebcamp is the event for you. It's free: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland
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aaronpk
so far I think my theory is holding up. already have two RSVPs on tito
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benwerd
what was your theory?
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gRegorLove
Shh Loqi
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benwerd
got it
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benwerd
yeah, i think that's smart
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@sr_rolando
@MiuSuCo Ich bin ja für eine stärkere Verbreitung von Webmention. Die Technik sollte sich anpassen, nicht die Leser. http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention
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@MiuSuCo
@sr_rolando war ja auch meine Intention. Gib mir ein Plugin, mit demselben easy geht zB. :) webmention kenn ich nicht. ((Du Indie ;) ))
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@cstanhope
RT @aaronpk: Registration for IndieWebCamp 2015 is now open! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland Would love to see you there!
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mattl
aaronpk: are you around for OSCON anyway?
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aaronpk
that's actually the week of the esri conference, but i'm only going there for monday and tuesday, i'll be back on wednesday
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mattl
cool, i think i don't get to PDX until Wednesday
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aaronpk
if that isn't a regular homebrew website club week we should do a special one!
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mattl
sounds good.
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@jgraham909
RT @aaronpk: Registration for IndieWebCamp 2015 is now open! https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland Would love to see you there!
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RT @benwerd: If you care about owning your own space on the Internet, #indiewebcamp is the event for you. It's free: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland
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@rapella
RT @benwerd: If you care about owning your own space on the Internet, #indiewebcamp is the event for you. It's free: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/2015-portland
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Zegnat
Twitter is testing using a heart icon instead of current star for favourites. Does the IndieWeb have a symbol for “likes”?
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KevinMarks_
what is heart?
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Loqi
like is a popular webaction button and in some cases post type on various silos such as Facebook and Instagram (uses a heart ♥) https://indiewebcamp.com/heart
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KevinMarks_
what is star?
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KevinMarks_
hm, no dfn?
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aaronpk
I attempted to add a web hook to send a notification to IRC when someone registers on tito
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aaronpk
we'll see if that works
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aaronpk
just need to wait for someone else to register :)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2015/Guest_List (+345) "add two registrations from tito"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2015/Guest_List (+56) "im bad at wiki"
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kylewm
TheGrid doesn't need to be on the list of indieweb projects does it? http://indiewebcamp.com/projects#TheGrid
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uhhyeahbret
what is tito?
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uhhyeahbret
does media wiki have a git blame?
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kylewm
not that i'm aware of
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kylewm.com
edited /projects () "(-1068) /* TheGrid */ moving to its own page"
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misuba
does the RelMeAuth impl on indiewebcamp.com break on rel=“me nofollow”?
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kylewm.com
created /The_Grid (+1211) "Created page with "<dfn>[https://thegrid.io/ The Grid]</dfn> is an in-progress website design tool, officially designated as "AI Websites that design themselves". As of June 2015, the website will ...""
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Loqi
[bridgy] Brian Hendrickson favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015 (https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/610923794648031235)
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tantek
hello #indiewebcamp
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tantek
gRegorLove: do you know if that was connected to a particular incident? Or what motivated it?
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tantek
I'm more hesitant about "political" wording as often "political viewpoint" is used as an excuse to discriminate against all the other axes described in the code of conduct
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gRegorLove
Meaning they use it as an excuse to violate another section?
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tantek
no, another *axis* of difference
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tantek
in that list
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tantek
IMO "political viewpoint" is not deserving to be at the same level as things like gender, race
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tantek
because yes, political viewpoints have and continue to be used to discriminate against those
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gRegorLove
I don't know the context for Django. Just did some searching on CoCs to find examples
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gRegorLove
Not sure what you mean by axis of difference
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tantek
gRegorLove: axes listed right there in the example you quoted - that comma separated list is a list of axes of differences
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tantek
not sure what's unclear about that
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@t
The 5 words followed by an #indieweb URL that make a silo post: “This post originally appeared on” Original: http://tantek.com/2015/168/t2/five-words-permalink-that-make-silo-post
(twitter.com/_/status/611298491902640128)
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gRegorLove
I don't see "political belief" as allowing nullification of the other items in the list. If someone's political belief entails them being sexist, the CoC still clearly states it's an inclusive environment regardless of sex, so it wouldn't be tolerated.
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gRegorLove
I don't have a strong feeling about adding it, but I don't think it would cause problems.
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gRegorLove
"religion (or lack thereof)" is in there and there are certainly instances of religion being used to discriminate against other items in the list.
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misuba
aaronpk: also the relme auth is following a link to twitter that I have removed from my domain. not sure where it’s getting that from, does it cache?
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aaronpk
yes, there's a "refresh" button
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aaronpk
but each server caches on its own so you may see the cached list for a while
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misuba
do you mean ‘re-scan’?
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misuba
nope, still finding twitter, and still not finding the rel=me link back to my domain that is clear and present on my twitter profile
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aaronpk
what's your site?
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misuba
gibberish.com. it isn’t finding the github link for some reason
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aaronpk
whoa how'd you get that domain lol
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misuba
it helps to get in early. :-)
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aaronpk
omg 1996
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aaronpk
yeah that's what I thought... your twitter profile links to www.gibberish.com which doesn't send a redirect
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aaronpk
even though twitter.com displays it without the www, the t.co redirects to www
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aaronpk
also there is no rel=me link to your github profile on your site
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misuba
that’s… I’ve just removed the Twitter one and added a GitHub one to try and work around this
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aaronpk
just change your twitter profile to remove the www from the URL
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gRegorLove
ReCaptcha has gotten fancy. Checkbox "I am not a robot" sometimes followed by a popover with things like "click the pictures of soup"
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misuba
a long attempt with the domain www.gibberish.com just succeeded
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aaronpk
that makes sense
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aaronpk
oh you have wp-super-cache on, that might be why I don't see your github link on your site
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misuba
ah cool I got NoMethodError at /auth/twitter/callback from indieauth.com
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aaronpk
that shouldn't happen
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gibberish.com
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misuba
huzzah
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misuba
you can’t get rid of me that easy :-)
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misuba
thanks for the help
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aaronpk
sweet!
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jonnybarnes
does anyone here use runkeeper?
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aaronpk
what is runkeeper?
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Loqi
RunKeeper is an exercise silo and native app for keeping track of running, biking and other physical activity https://indiewebcamp.com/runkeeper
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aaronpk
that's where all my cycling data on my site comes from
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jonnybarnes
and how do you get that data out of runkeeper?
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jonnybarnes
also, sideloading apps on iOS9 yes please :D
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jonnybarnes
Do you still use your own iOS app to record location data aaronpk?
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endi
hey all, quick question: indieauth for twitter failed and I checked the source, found 'rel="me nofollow"'; is there something I can do on twitter to fix that so indieauth will work?
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KevinMarks
that isn't the problem, endi
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aaronpk
endi: i'm guessing you're having the same problem. does your twitter website field have your site with www?
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endi
ah no, because it's a subdomain
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aaronpk
hm that loks fine, what's the error you're getting?
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endi
my known instance runs on an RPi at that subdomain, so andrejstefanovski.com doesn't work. error: 0 supported and verified providers were found!
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endi
since indieauth isn't looking at that subdomain
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aaronpk
that is true
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aaronpk
indieauth.com looks at whatever you type in
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endi
well, I'm on ownyourgram and hitting authorize
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endi
I did enter social.andrejstefanovski.com there
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KevinMarks
my known.kevinmarks.com works
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endi
but when i hit authorize, it moves me to indieauth and fails
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aaronpk
it looks like it will work to me
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aaronpk
i see the twitter button when I try to sign in as you on ownyourgram
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KevinMarks
try quill as that gives more debug info
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aaronpk
obviously i can't get any farther than that
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jonnybarnes
aaronpk, have you read about sideloading in iOS9? If your app is opensource anyone can cpomile it themselves and load it on thier iOS9 device :)
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aaronpk
jonnybarnes: that isn't really sideloading
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aaronpk
that's just compiling and installing
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aaronpk
which was possible before, but now you don't need the $99 license
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endi
that's on ownyourgram before hitting authorize and on indieauth once it fails
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endi
and I'll head to Quill and try
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jonnybarnes
the articles I’d read rereferred to is ass sideloading
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aaronpk
i think that is misleading, and is likely to get clicks
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aaronpk
sideloading on android is when a developer can distribute a compiled version of the app that people can load onto their devices
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jonnybarnes
what would you call it then? to someone who hadn’t prevooulsy had a developers license?
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aaronpk
i dunno, being able to install apps without an apple developer account
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aaronpk
does it need a name?
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aaronpk
"When referring to Android apps, "sideloading" typically means installing an application package in APK format onto an Android device. Such packages are usually downloaded from websites other than Google Play. Sideloading of apps is only possible if the user has allowed "Unknown Sources" in their Security Settings." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideloading
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kylewm
endi: your twitter points to http:// instead of https://
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aaronpk
his site sends a direct so that's fine
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jonnybarnes
hmmm, fair enough
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kylewm
aaronpk: doesn't redirect for me
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endi
@kylewm ah, perhaps it does. twitter doesn't display it and I missed it. thank you
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aaronpk
you're right, I thought I checked that
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aaronpk
that's the problem endi, you're serving two different websites, one at http and the other at https
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aaronpk
if you redirect http to https then you can enter either in the login box
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aaronpk
otherwise you need to enter the one that matches the one your twitter bio links to
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endi
I had a redirect in apache and something else broke so I removed it. I will get that in there again. because of hsts I never type in the https anymore so I forgot about redirecting entirely
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endi
sorry for that, didn't mean to waste your time for such a silly oversight
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KevinMarks
this is tricky
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KevinMarks
http vs https and www. means a lot of combos
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aaronpk
indeed
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aaronpk
the redirect handling makes it work pretty smoothly regardless of which you enter
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kylewm
www. is a bit like that h-x- prefix that won't ever quite go away :)
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KevinMarks
could the thorough walkthrough in quill try them and diagnose it
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aaronpk
but if you're serving the site from 3 different URLs then you have 3 different sites and there's not a lot I can do
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KevinMarks
except that bare domains do route differently
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KevinMarks
you could detect the variations and say "you linked to http from twitter but typed in http " ?
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: that's kind of what this ticket is for https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/88
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reidab
I didn't know indieauth supported rel="pgpkey" (and I'd forgotten that I'd added it to my site years ago). neat!
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endi
oh nice :) another item on my list
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aaronpk
yeah I use that one all the time :)
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endi
I wonder why keybase.io doesn't play nice with indieauth; their whole game is authenticating via social connections
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kylewm
endi: just that indieauth doesn't have a plugin for authenticating with keybase
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kylewm
the rel=me's are all there, so it would definitely be possible
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endi
would be nice, especially since keybase.io is in function a key server. makes sense to authenticate using a site who's holding/distributing your public key.
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