#indiewebcamp 2015-06-21

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csarven One rule of thumb I follow is: is this UX/UI I would be willing to use in such conditions? How about for the others?
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tantek csarven: do you mark up the index page of articles, e.g. with h-entry and perhaps p-name p-summary?
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csarven checks.
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csarven Apparently not. Only xoxo
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tantek if so - the indie /readers could subscribe to it - and then get realtime updates if you also added PuSH support
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csarven There is a hanging u-url though.
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csarven tantek Done: http://csarven.ca/archives/articles
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tantek csarven: hey pretty cool! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=csarven.ca/archives/articles
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csarven No dates howeer.
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csarven Could add it I suppose
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tantek this is better: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://csarven.ca/archives/articles
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tantek I think I found a minor bug in pin13's handling
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tantek !tell aaronpk compare http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=csarven.ca/archives/articles and http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://csarven.ca/archives/articles notice the difference? hint: check the "url" properties ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek csarven - yes you could - however, given the current presentation of your page, there's no convenient way to do so
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tantek so it's a bit of a personal question - is it worth change the presentation to you?
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tantek s/change/changing
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Loqi tantek meant to say: so it's a bit of a personal question - is it worth changing the presentation to you?
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tantek csarven: alternatively the other trade-off is use of an empty time element vs. the hidden data implications of doing so
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csarven Got the date up. Apparently, I already have some other function which outputs a very similar block per entry.
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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csarven I need to take the updated values seriously. I cheat I confess. I don't separately mange an updated data cell. When the template outputs it uses the same date as the published data for updated. I do however declaratively use updated if I've made changes to the article from inside the article.
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tantek csarven: that seems reasonable
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csarven What's more reasonable is me going to bed now. Goodnight all.
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Loqi gute nacht!
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csarven is Loqi location aware?
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Loqi :)
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csarven Good morning.
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aaronpk ha weird
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 38 minutes ago: compare http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=csarven.ca/archives/articles and http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://csarven.ca/archives/articles notice the difference? hint: check the "url" properties ;) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-20/line/1434845614746
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tantek seems the raw url param is being passed to the mf2 parser, instead of your "cleaned up" version of the URL parameter that fixes it by adding http:// if there's no protocol.
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aaronpk csarven.ca/archives/articles isn't a real URL anyway
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tantek but your code clearly has fix up to go retrieve it
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aaronpk i think it's an accident
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tantek just need to send that fixed up URL to the parser as the base, instead of the protocol-less version'
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aaronpk yeah that's just passed directly to curl
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aaronpk i don't actually change the parameter
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tantek I could suggest a CASSIS function for you to fix it ;)
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aaronpk apparently curl assumes http if no scheme
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tantek here you go
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tantek $url = web_address_to_uri($url, true) :)
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aaronpk if(!preg_match('/^http/', $url)) $url = 'http://' . $url; was easier
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tantek I can never remember preg_match syntax
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aaronpk i use it all the time
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aaronpk so it's always on the top of my head
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tantek yeah I have found sufficient use for it that I created a JS wrapper, so you can call preg_match from CASSIS codee
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tantek s/codee/code
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Loqi tantek meant to say: yeah I have found sufficient use for it that I created a JS wrapper, so you can call preg_match from CASSIS code
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aaronpk if I use p-p3k-route and h-p3k-route can I use non-namespaced properties for the h-p3k-route object?
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KevinMarks heh https://github.com/kevinmarks/unmung/commit/39a717c725555c8ba6d0beb7b7d97757b0ff11be
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 51 minutes ago: what the what - what's 33000+ files after installing? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-20/line/1434841929419
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KevinMarks I did that for the indiecard
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aaronpk that's not a very good check tho, cause the URL might have :// somewhere else in it
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aaronpk for example pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://csarven.ca/archives/articles :D
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KevinMarks the 33000+ files was https://developers.google.com/web/tools/polymer-starter-kit/
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KevinMarks hm, true but that should be escaped
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aaronpk but most things work without escaping, just like they work without an expliclt scheme
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KevinMarks true
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KevinMarks OK
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KevinMarks I suppose unmung working over gopher or ftp is nto that useful
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tantek 33000+ files "starter kit" - yikes. What would a "normal" kit have?!?
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KevinMarks once I'd installed the starter kit and run all the things it installed, including gulp and npm and so on
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KevinMarks also it had a js url router that used hashbangs, but failed on mobile
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tantek so that's what it takes to polyfill webcomponents?!?
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KevinMarks no, that was their recommended env
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tantek alright this is too ridiculous not to document
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tantek what is polymer?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "polymer" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=polymer&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-20%2Fline%2F1434848852666
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@Esspappe RT @hnzio: Ping! https://hnz.io/2015/06/20/ich-baue-gerade-um/ (Webmention-Test. Bitte ignorieren. Es gibt hier nix zu sehen) (twitter.com/_/status/612426632960307201)
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tantek KevinMarks could you add all that ?
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KevinMarks if I just did the poylmer+polyfill it was a lot lighter
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tantek even if you just copy / paste from IRC
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KevinMarks polymer is a web front end development toolkit from Google based on web components. TH polymenr statre kit at https://developers.google.com/web/tools/polymer-starter-kit/ ends up installing 33000+ files on your development system
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loqi.me created /polymer (+257) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-20/line/1434848852666 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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acegiak and I'm back
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 11 hours, 55 minutes ago: Is your custom header hand-coded or does it pull from your user profile? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-20/line/1434806389420
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GWG acegiak: Where did you go?
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acegiak my weechat disconnected for some reason
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acegiak my custom header is using a html block widget
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acegiak also: finally fixed salmention comment duplication in semantic linkbacks
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GWG Oh, good
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tantek.com edited /polymer (+35) "typos, see also" (view diff)
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tantek what is weechat?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "weechat" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=weechat&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-20%2Fline%2F1434849590505
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acegiak weechat is an irc client that is often used as a central persistent connection that then relays to remote clients like glowingbear
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tantek aww, outside the 10 minute window
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GWG What is weechat?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "weechat" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=weechat&summary=prompted+by+GWG+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-06-20%2Fline%2F1434851314517
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GWG Try again?
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acegiak weechat is an irc client that is often used as a central persistent connection that then relays to remote clients like glowingbear
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loqi.me created /weechat (+157) "prompted by GWG https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-20/line/1434851314517 and dfn added by acegiak" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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GWG I'm once again iterating in public.
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acegiak lol
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acegiak real programmers test in prod
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GWG I find with design, it is easier sometimes.
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acegiak yeah definitely
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GWG I'm building a theme based on the upgrades to mf2_s.
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ben_thatmustbeme I test live mainly because I don't consider my site to be in production just in perma-dev
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GWG perma-dev is a thing?
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ben_thatmustbeme Not until just now
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GWG I've loaded my simple template, and I'm refining it piece by piece.
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kylewm https://twitter.com/AustenAllred/status/612086531038281728
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@AustenAllred Zuck would deploy directly to the live thefacebook even after the site had 5 million users. Move fast & break things https://twitter.com/AustenAllred/status/612086531038281728/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/612086531038281728)
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kylewm (Re: testing in prod :-)
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tantek is that a first person account? or was there a citation provided?
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csarven http://imgur.com/gallery/oZ8ko is IndieWebCamp when not in front of a machine.
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@anomalily @karabaic …And also a technical reason: bridgy can’t send replies back to my website unless posts are public. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/612653393186828289)
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GWG I'm creating content. I think I should do more of that. All the website improvements in the world don't matter without it
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@calum_ryan Finally getting round to posting to Twitter rather than on it directly! indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/612656388825829376)
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petermolnar GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 98 karma
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petermolnar content is important :)
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GWG I even have pictures
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GWG I wonder why Bridgy Publish isn't working properly. It did well in testing
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gRegorLove Morning, indiewebcamp
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GWG Morning, gRegorLove
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GWG gRegorLove: How is the design work going?
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gRegorLove Hey, GWG. I haven't done any more work since yesterday. That's about 90% done, though. Main updates are to make it responsive and add "Notes" to the navigation.
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gRegorLove About a year is long enough to have my /notes in beta
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GWG I need to fix mine. It will go much better now that I've disabled CSS caching. I was wondering why nothing seemed to work.
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@tarr11 Love the idea of IndieWeb. Is there a disqus like widget for indieweb comments? http://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/612676567974547456)
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@schnarfed @tarr11 yes! https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ and https://github.com/bcomnes/webmention.js (twitter.com/_/status/612682665016209408)
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aaronpk haha beat me to it
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Loqi nice
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aaronpk !tell snarfed do you have an FAQ about why bridgy only sends responses for public posts?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi slack/snarfed: aaronpk maybe! i know i talk about it on /about, but maybe not why, exactly
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Loqi slack/snarfed: do you mean npublic original posts with non public posse copies? since bridgy obviously can't see non public original posts
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/anomalily/status/612653393186828289 https://twitter.com/anomalily/status/612660346021613573
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@anomalily @karabaic …And also a technical reason: bridgy can’t send replies back to my website unless posts are public. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/612653393186828289)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: (actually in practice it could often send wms anyway since it caches wm endpoints by domain, but still)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: also for FB what she said: can't see non public posts with the 2.0 api (mostly)
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aaronpk apps just can't get non-public posts anymore?!
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Loqi slack/snarfed: often no, very hard permission to get approved for
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aaronpk crazy
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Loqi slack/snarfed: i do wonder how many people original post publicly and posse non publicly. i think I've seen other cases; not sure
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@zebel current status: Webmention support! #yeah (twitter.com/_/status/612690160577302529)
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gRegorLove GWG's articles only show the title in Woodwind for me. The mf2 seems to parse fine, though.
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gRegorLove I think I'm subscribed to the mf2, not xml feed. The subscription page just lists https://david.shanske.com/
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GWG gRegorLove: I just deployed a new theme, with new markup, which I'm enhancing the design of. If you have any suggestions on the markup...
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gRegorLove Maybe Woodwind polled during a theme update, or something's cached
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Loqi slack/snarfed: GWG: re bridgy publish, you're familiar with using both the response body and the log links on your user page to debug, right?
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GWG snarfed: I need to get more familiar with it
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GWG gRegorLove: I am microformats challenged, I think
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KartikPrabhu has a plan to write " A web semantic with mf2 "
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Loqi slack/snarfed: can't wait to read it! ... especially curious since mf2 isn't semantic, right?
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: mf2 is semantic in the sense that it adds more meaning to the HTML through classes
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KartikPrabhu and rels and so on
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Loqi slack/snarfed: eh kind of, but so little. it's still a huge stretch
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: the point I am wanting to make is that even with the little semantics that mf2 adds one can go very far
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Loqi slack/snarfed: for some use cases, sure. semantic still seems kind the wrong word, but no matter. looking fwd to it!
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KartikPrabhu hehe! semantic being the wrong word is pretty ironic :P of course once it is written critique is welcome :)
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@lmatteis "Why We Need the IndieWeb" https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/612703657763672064)
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tantek good afternoon #indiewebcamp!
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aaronpk good afternoon!
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aaronpk refresh my memory... should I add my osbridge talk to the http://indiewebcamp.com/events page even though it's at a non-free conference?
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tantek yes - anything indieweb related
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aaronpk thumbsup
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tantek which points out that the page could clarify that
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tantek ideally a page like this should be a an aggregator of indie events with category indieweb
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aaronpk that would be way cooler
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tantek but unlike typical readers/aggregators, it should use the h-event dt-start date to sort upcoming events in time order
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tantek rather than h-entry dt-published date in reverse chronological order
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aaronpk still wants to make events.indiewebcamp.com but has a lot on his queue
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tantek AND it should be smart enough to de-dup the same event aggregated from different sources!
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aaronpk an aggregator like that should be proactive about finding things
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aaronpk but at the same time, would be nice if there was a way to send it a nudge about a URL
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tantek I disagree - the original upcoming.org proved that no such pro-activity was necessary for it to become extremely useful and popular.
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aaronpk by proactive I mean it should be crawling on its own
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tantek that's what I mean - upcoming didn't crawl - didn't need to in order to succeed
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tantek IMO crawling = motivating bad SEO = noise/spam
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk luckily not crawling is easier :)
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tantek whereas deliberately including the human step of including an event gives you a chain of accountability of human actions
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tantek now if we were talking about a generic events *search* engine - that's different - but that's not what I said.
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aaronparecki.com edited /Events (+464) "add upcoming osbridge talk" (view diff)
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aaronpk whoa my talk at osbridge last year was on the same day
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paulproteus That is kind of mind-bending.
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tantek heh - you can start your talk with "One year ago I stood before you and told you …" and make it a continuation
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aaronpk is reviewing talk notes from last year
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aaronparecki.com edited /Events (+568) "add last year's osbridge talk" (view diff)
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GWG "One year ago, I stood before you, and Micropub was bit a glimmer in my eye. Today...Micropub is everywhere..."
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GWG No?
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GWG Too aspirational?
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aaronpk hahaha
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tantek "One year ago, I stood before you and told you about the emerging indie web authentication standard, IndieAuth. I'm happy to report that since then not only has IndieAuth has matured and grown, but also become a distributed specification, allowing for delegated authentication, now supported by multiple implementations."
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aaronparecki.com created /events/2014-06-24-indieauth-at-osbridge (+6329) "create event page for last year's osbridge talk, and session notes" (view diff)
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tantek s/has matured/matured
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Loqi tantek meant to say: "One year ago, I stood before you and told you about the emerging indie web authentication standard, IndieAuth. I'm happy to report that since then not only has IndieAuth matured and grown, but also become a distributed specification, allowing for delegated authentication, now supported by multiple implementations."
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2014-06-24-indieauth-at-osbridge (+10) "TOC was getting in the way" (view diff)
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tantek "Today, I'm here to tell you about a new emerging standard, micropub, that builds on the building block of IndieAuth to provide a standard API for creating and updating indie web posts."
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tantek how's that aaronpk? do you need a speechwriter? ;)
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aaronpk this is great, I'll just keep sitting here and you can write my talk :D
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tantek I'm hoping I can watch via talky :)
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GWG You can crowdsource it
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tantek or some other mechanism you have for actually recording it for later publication online
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aaronpk they actually usually record all the talks
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tantek hmm - they didn't used to
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aaronpk they have for a couple years
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aaronpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myC7ZWhE7Kc&index=11&list=PLfwE4lxvXUNnOF_T6WyIbs_sW4b9E7onr
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tantek is that your last year talk?
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek hmm lots of query params there
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GWG "I have a vision of the future. That someday...every man, woman, and child will be able to publish using the same standard. That support for micropub will be universal...We may not get there, my friends. But together, we can move toward that vision. Join with me. Build Micropub into every OS, every CMS..."
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tantek aaronpk - you should have GWG record an intro for your talk
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aaronpk hehe
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GWG I can pull out my voiceover style of speaking.
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2014-06-24-indieauth-at-osbridge (+99) "add video URL" (view diff)
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aaronpk ugh can't make myself watch myself
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tantek "In a world, where silos and proprietary snowflake APIs dominate developers, one lone hope has emerged to champion an open standard for developers and indieweb sites alike."
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tantek.com edited /Events (+634) "update dfn, upcoming header to clarify scope / encourage more deliberate contribution" (view diff)
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tantek heh I tried to manually merge your edits aaronpk and one of them got duped
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tantek fixing
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tantek.com edited /Events (-440) "/* Upcoming */ de-dupe, bold" (view diff)
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GWG Where is that page with the history of Indiewebcamp?
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tantek what is history?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/history
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tantek aww
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tantek I'll fix dfn
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GWG tantek: That page doesn't have how Indiewebcamp began.
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GWG I was looking for the history of Indiewebcamp specifically.
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GWG I know I saw it somewhere
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tantek fixing
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GWG You realize I'd follow through and actually send aaronpk a voiceover, right?
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GWG Not sure he'd actually use it, but...
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tantek I think it would be awesome
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GWG I guess I will just make up the history while I wait.
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aaronpk i need some footage of something... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMYgmQNPfLM
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GWG "Picture it...Portland... Four friends gather on a street corner after a conference..."
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tantek.com edited /history (+62) "fix dfn, see also explicitly timeline / founders for other things" (view diff)
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tantek oh dear I better send GWG a link before he starts making up history
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aaronpk tantek: you should probably click that youtube link
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tantek.com edited /founders (+50) "clarify movement, terminology, camp" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /founders (+9) "IndieWeb" (view diff)
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aaronpk all the non-text is placeholder stuff from imove
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aaronpk imovie*
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aaronpk so I need to fill it with videos of... things
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GWG tantek: My version is more dramatic
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tantek.com edited /founders (+50) "call out years, add specific dates inline instead of having to click through to find them" (view diff)
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tantek GWG, for your original question of brief history of indiewebcamp (at least founding thereof), see https://indiewebcamp.com/founders
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GWG tantek: I have a few questions then
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tantek ask, my friend
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GWG Did you know aaronpk well when you came up with Indiewebcamp?
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GWG The evening you conceived it, what was the venue?
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Loqi A venue is a named location or address/geo that is typically used for checkins https://indiewebcamp.com/venue
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tantek lol
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tantek let me see if /timeline has that
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GWG It does not
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GWG I wanted to know the 'birthplace' of Indiewebcamp
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GWG Was it a bar?
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GWG A tofu ice cream parlor?
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tantek.com edited /founders (+48) "add History of IndieWebCamps with template listing them all" (view diff)
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GWG An artisinal cheese shop?
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tantek aaronpk - can you reference your checkin history on 2010-07-18?
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tantek http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2010/07/18 returns a 404 :/
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aaronpk doug fir lounge https://foursquare.com/aaronpk/checkin/4c439c6774ffc9284c8074cc
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tantek ooh http://aaronparecki.com/2010/07/18 works!
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aaronpk my date URLs don't have a post type http://aaronparecki.com/2010/07/18
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tantek aaronpk: perhaps for now redirect from http://aaronparecki.com/*/YYYY/MM/DD to http://aaronparecki.com/YYYY/MM/DD ?
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aaronpk eh, nothing links to those so probably not worth it since i'm changing all my urls anyway
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tantek because those URLs can be made by just trimming a path segment from your permalinks
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GWG It doesn't record the magical moment.
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aaronpk after doug fir we went to living room theaters
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tantek I'm guessing you were not PESOSing your checkins back then?
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aaronpk i am still not :(
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tantek oh I must have been looking too far into the future again
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aaronpk haha
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GWG So..let's try that again...
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tantek I really need to work on that habit of talking about the future in past tense
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GWG "Picture it...Portland, July 2010. Two individuals who might or might not be friends meet at the Doug Fir Restaurant Bar and Lounge. Little did they know that that night...they would be making history."
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tantek aaronpk what was the venue of the FSWS?
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rhiaro fixed pagination today (by month) and added prev and next links for /yyyy and /yyyy/mm o/
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aaronpk checks the fsws website oh wait
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aaronpk i think it was at the leftbank annex
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tantek I think the redirects still work
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tantek what is FSWS2010?
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Loqi The Federated Social Web Summit was an annual event from 2010-2012 https://indiewebcamp.com/fsws2010
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aaronpk yep http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/Federated_Social_Web_Summit_2010
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GWG "Aaron was not yet recording his food intake, so we are unsure of what food birthed this future."
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GWG Maybe I'll go back to retroactively narrating my vacation
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tantek I'll say it again, I miss Dopplr.
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tantek what is Dopplr?
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Loqi Dopplr was a silo for sharing future travel plans https://indiewebcamp.com/Dopplr
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GWG tantek: Do you plan on posting travel posts on your site?
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tantek what is travel?
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Loqi travel is a post type about plans to change locations in the future, similar to an event post about a future event, and related to exercise posts that involve changing location https://indiewebcamp.com/travel
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tantek GWG - considering it
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tantek though one thing I really liked about Dopplr was their approach to private posts
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GWG It is on my list somewhere as well
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GWG Much to go before that.
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GWG Which was?
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tantek instead of requesting access to someone's private info, you would explicitly *invite* people to see your private posts
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GWG Not a bad idea.
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tantek yes - it was much less socially awkward
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GWG Is that documented as a thought in private posts?
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csarven "We look at the present through a rear-view mirror" -- Marshall McLuhan
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tantek Tomorrow we looked at today through yesterday's mirror.
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GWG tantek: I hope I will have understood what you mean.
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csarven tantek See also http://marshallmcluhanspeaks.com/prophecies/1968-the-future-of-the-future-is-the-present.php [57s]
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csarven is a McLuhan fan.
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tantek then here's one for you csarven: The format is the framing.
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GWG Is this a McLuhan off?
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csarven Sounds like it =)
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tantek The protocol is the process.
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csarven heh
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csarven The medium influences how the message is perceived.
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GWG I always wonder, when I create content about my life. Does anyone care?
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tantek GWG, it should be enough that you care, and that you set an example, for all tomorrow's readers.
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csarven GWG Go archive yourself!
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csarven Oh this could get philosophical...
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GWG I'm doing a long review of my vacation, because I figure I will forget it as time passes.
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GWG Trying to have fun with it
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tantek GWG, yes, writing down short term memories is a useful preservation method
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tantek photos and checkins can be anchors in physical space time for such notes
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csarven But for the time being, share your reality with the global village.
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csarven Has anyone read "Delete: The Virtue of Forgetting in the Digital Age" ?
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GWG I need to finish check-ins. I started the feature in March
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GWG And I wrote something to make photos easier, but it kept timing out
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tantek GWG - have you captured your design thoughts on checkins so far?
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GWG That wasn't the problem. I had to try to build location awareness into WordPress.
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GWG And the solution I came up with, I need to fix. It didn't quite work as well as I'd hoped.
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tantek really odd that WordPress doesn't already hve that somewhere
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GWG tantek: They have a data storage parameter for lat/lon, but other than that...no built-in support
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tantek no venue/h-card then
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GWG I'm working on it
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GWG I tried to shoehorn it in
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GWG I came up with the idea that I would use WordPress's page post type...a page would be a venue if location data was attached.
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GWG But I didn't get the simplicity I wanted. I may pick it up again after a few other things.
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GWG Why is Bridgy getting a 502 response all of the sudden?
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tantek getting or giving?
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GWG Getting
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GWG From my server
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