#indiewebcamp 2015-06-25

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tantek.com
edited /micropub_chaining (+478) "why, how to, indieweb examples"
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GWG
acegiak: Exactly. I just closed my pull requests. I need to revisit this. But I need to figure out what point the email goes out at, and have the fix go in before that.
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: on mobile UIs they're usually not hidden under a list or menu
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tantek
they're usually very visible as part of the last step of posting
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I am thinking of Feedly's UI for sharing articles to ilos
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KartikPrabhu
s/ilos/silos
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: tantek: I am thinking of Feedly's UI for sharing articles to silos
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KartikPrabhu
which does hide it under a menu but maybe that is different from POSSE destinations
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KartikPrabhu
wow! Adblock Pro's social blocking extension blocks anything called "/images/social." and so it blocked a legit indieweb avatar here: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/indieweb-love-blog#response-409 !!
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KartikPrabhu
s/ProPlus
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KartikPrabhu
s/Pro/Plus
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: s/PlusPlus
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acegiak
KartikPrabhu: not till now :P. I thought your comments were valid points
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KartikPrabhu
acegiak: maybe but I am not as upset/angry about it as might come across on the internetz!
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acegiak
yay textual communication!
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KartikPrabhu
:) glad we got that cleared up
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KartikPrabhu
now my webmention receiver should look for links of old permanlinks too. complicated
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: yeah I have had to do that too, don't like it
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KartikPrabhu
yeah working on it now, annoying but that is what comes with changing permalinks
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: I was going to suggest you come up with a cutesy name for de-duplicating received webmentiosn by u-syndication
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kylewm
might increase adoption :)
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KartikPrabhu
syndymentions
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KartikPrabhu
i am a name factory!
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acegiak
Man I Really wish there were a way to posse to G+
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GWG
I'm making progress on the WordPress notifications, but it is more work than it looks like.
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GWG
acegiak: Google has been changing a lot, maybesoon
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acegiak
GWG: Looked like a lot of work from my perspective
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acegiak
that would be super neat!
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GWG
acegiak: I'm going incremental improvements.
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acegiak
GWG: good plan
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ben_thatmustbeme
acegiak: there are ways to hack it to posse to G+
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ben_thatmustbeme
might break daily
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KartikPrabhu
phew! fixed receiving webmentions from older permalinks! :)
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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GWG
acegiak: I think I figured out a solution.
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acegiak
GWG: neat!
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acegiak
whats your angle?
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GWG
acegiak: I just added webmention awareness to the webmentions plugin.
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GWG
Then I moved back to Semantic Linkbacks.
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acegiak
ok neat
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GWG
I'm not sure if it was you or pfefferle who hooked linkback_fix onto pingback_post, webmention_post, and trackback_post.
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GWG
acegiak: The reason why the emails don't have the enhanced data is they go out beforehand.
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GWG
But if the linkback fix was hooked onto preprocess_comment, the data would be there before the email went out
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acegiak
oh! that makes sense!
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GWG
I think the reason why it isn't is that you can't add the metadata fields.
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GWG
I think I found a way to fix it.
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acegiak
GWG: looks good to me
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GWG
acegiak: I was being extremely annoyed when I couldn't understand what the comment was without logging in. This should fix that.
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acegiak
fair enough!
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@simplesthing
Learned about Micropub today, p cool way to own your data across social networks https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub #OSB15 @aaronpk
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Loqi
[bridgy] Erin Jo Richey replied '@gRegorLove Still trying to decide...' to a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Guest_List (https://twitter.com/erinjo/status/613945684291522560)
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ashleynye.co.uk
edited /2015/Brighton (+239) "/* Participating */"
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gRegorLove
!tell KartikPrabhu http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-24#t1435190255520 In Firefox dev tools settings is an option "Common Preferences > Enable persistent logging" which should make it capture the redirect response as well as the destination response headers.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dym.cx
edited /User:Dym.cx (+21) "/* Projects */ define "JS""
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GWG
Good morning, all
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petermolnar
good morning
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david.shanske.com
edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+10) "/* Optional Plugins */"
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david.shanske.com
edited /Getting_Started_on_WordPress (+90) "/* Syndicate your content to other sites */"
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@dym_cx
hear me, #indieweb ("selfdogfooding", its almost as bad as "autofellatio") https://twitter.com/slamteacher/status/568821669277487104
(twitter.com/_/status/614064020224634880)
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LanceyWork
once we have enough indieauth services, we'll need a service that selects the indieauth service to use
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LanceyWork
also ben_thatmustbeme i think something's wrong with your twitter posse
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ben.thatmustbe.me
created /IndieID (+914) "Adding IndieID"
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ben_thatmustbeme
article without a title
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ben_thatmustbeme
breaks stuff
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: woo bridgy hit 2k users! <https://www.brid.gy/#stats>
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Loqi
bridgy has 17 karma
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Loqi
snarfed has 107 karma
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Loqi
kylewm has 181 karma
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Loqi
slow down!
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ben_thatmustbeme
trying to brainstorm user interface flow for micropub chaining
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /micropub_chaining (+1716) "Adding some brainstorming ideas"
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aaronpk
*sigh* new twitter spam emails
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aaronpk
"____, what are you watching?"
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tantek
!tell KartikPrabhu yes the sharing use case is very different than the POSSE use-case
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning all
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aaronpk
good morning
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ben_thatmustbeme
how did the talk go?
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aaronpk
went well!
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aaronpk
I think it may have been better if I had included more of a technical intro to indieweb stuff (microformats2, h-entry, webmention, etc)
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ben_thatmustbeme
i figured out when you got to MobilePub slide. I got a follow on twitter from someone lol
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aaronpk
but once it's online it will be a nice intro to micropub that people can watch after they already know about those things
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, a pretty technical crowd i'd assume
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ben_thatmustbeme
added some quick thoughts on micropub chaining
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tantek
aaronpk - yes - having it all online with a link to the slides will help a lot
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tantek
especially then the slides can link to resources to learn more about indieweb stuff (microformats2, h-entry, webmention, etc)
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tantek.com
edited /events/2015-07-01-homebrew-website-club (-16) "SF location confirmed @MozSF, RSVP for SF"
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tantek
!tell kylewm we are confirmed for next Wednesday 2015-07-01 HWC @ MozSF, could you post an indie event, FB POSSE copy?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
loqi playback
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: gRegorLove left you a message 9 hours, 42 minutes ago: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-24#t1435190255520 In Firefox dev tools settings is an option "Common Preferences > Enable persistent logging" which should make it capture the redirect response as well as the destination response headers. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-25/line/1435218614245
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 50 minutes ago: yes the sharing use case is very different than the POSSE use-case http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-25/line/1435246940290
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KartikPrabhu
gRegorLove: thanks. i checked using a python requests library :) it seems to be doing the right things :)
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tantek.com
edited /events/2015-07-15-homebrew-website-club (+475) "SF location confirmed - first floor Java room"
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tantek.com
edited /events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (-16) "SF location confirmed @MozSF, RSVP for SF"
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tantek
and with that confirmed location for all July HWC meetups in SF!
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gRegorLove
tantek++
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Loqi
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KevinMarks
I bet it could write w3c specs
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kylewm
ok, added events and urls
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Loqi
kylewm: tantek left you a message 53 minutes ago: we are confirmed for next Wednesday 2015-07-01 HWC @ MozSF, could you post an indie event, FB POSSE copy? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-06-25/line/1435253423788
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GWG
Invitation time
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kylewm
mini-invitation flood
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tantek
kylewm++
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Loqi
kylewm has 182 karma
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tantek
kylewm: now that we're planning things a bit more in advance, and creating events accordingly, the when posted vs when does it start question about events is starting to show in the URLs, e.g. https://kylewm.com/2015/06/homebrew-website-club-1 - has 2015/06 for an event in 2015-07-01
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tantek
just curious if that bothers you at all, or not
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kylewm
good point
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kylewm
yes, definitely bothers me, for events, i would much rather have the start date in the url
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tantek
good to know - that's my opinion too, but then I'm still building my own indie event posting support
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aaronpk
my preference for dates in URLs is start date (for events, or anything else with a start date like sleep, runs), or create date (which may be different than date published)
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kylewm
heh, testing what Known does
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kylewm.com
edited /events/2015-07-15-homebrew-website-club (+43) "/* URLs */ add indie url"
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ben_thatmustbeme
huh, think i figured out a much simpler system for MP chaining
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ben_thatmustbeme
first thing is first, i need to write a MP -> twitter endpoint
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snarfed
ben_thatmustbeme: add it to silo.pub?
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ben_thatmustbeme
need to work out how to use silo.pub, haven't really played with it yet
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ben_thatmustbeme
eep, python gives me the heebie jeebies
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats a technical term
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kylewm
silo.pub to twitter would be very interesting
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kylewm
hmm, but you can't add rel=micropub to your twitter page
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aaronpk
it's kinda a different thing
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snarfed
kylewm: you could make proxy silo.pub subdomains per user for twitter and serve rel links there
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snarfed
kylewmahan.twitter.silo.pub
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kylewm
good thought
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KevinMarks
Is bridgy publish part of this?
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snarfed
you'd need wildcard ssl certs though
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snarfed
KevinMarks: nope
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aaronpk
bridgy publish is unauthenticated
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snarfed
hey now, that's not true
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aaronpk
did that change?
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aaronpk
i thought it was just a source=...&target=... request
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snarfed
yes a while back
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snarfed
interactive redoes oauth dance, wm requires link to bridgy publish on post
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aaronpk
yeah but no access token or anything in the webmention version
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aaronpk
i just meant that the actual post request (webmention) doesn't have authentication
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+204) "/* Community Resources */ list best documentation/resource pages created in 2014"
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snarfed
aaronpk: ah ok, sure. bridgy doesn't have any auth of its own. the wm path just checks for a backlink first
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ben_thatmustbeme
ugh... restarting from relmeauth lib and getting the twitter 401 issue again
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aaronpk
you sure it's using the newest twitter API? they shut an old one down a while ago
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ben_thatmustbeme
i got it working at one point like a couple weeks back
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, wasn't there something about the URLs that needed to be changed with RelMeAuth app tantek?
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tantek
not sure what you mean by that
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ben_thatmustbeme
getting a 401, and trying to figure out what is going wrong
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tantek
what is RelMeAuth?
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Loqi
relmeauth is an open source PHP library implementation of the RelMeAuth protocol https://indiewebcamp.com/relmeauth
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: this isn't the first time this 401 problem has shown up - could you start a "Troubleshooting" section on that page ^^^ with at least a description of how the problem occurs? I'll dig through notes to see if I can find any suggested steps to take.
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aaronpk
might help to get the actual error message from twitter not just the response code
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /relmeauth (+161) "stub out a 401 troubleshooting"
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ben_thatmustbeme
checked the actual response, 401 Unauthorized
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tantek
aaronpk - the error message does come back from Twitter - it's stuck somewhere in a JSON response
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aaronpk
there's usually a text description in the json response
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tantek
I do believe I've been able to inspect it somewhere before when previously debugging
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aaronpk
it'll tell you more about what went wrong
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tantek
right
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ben_thatmustbeme
' Desktop applications only support the oauth_callback value 'oob' /oauth/request_token?x_auth_access_type=read '
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aaronpk
this isn't a desktop app
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tantek
very weird
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ben_thatmustbeme
i just dumped all of tmhOAuth->response and thats what i get
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tantek
how did you register your app in the Twiter Developer App id thing?
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ben_thatmustbeme
okay, wait, so that changed things. I had left the callback url empty. i'm backing progress back to where i was a while ago
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ben_thatmustbeme
so twitter claiming the callback URL can be empty is a lit
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aaronpk
they say that in the docs?
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ben_thatmustbeme
when setting up your application, all other fields are blank *'d to say required
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ben_thatmustbeme
but callback URL is not
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ben_thatmustbeme
also "Where should we return after successfully authenticating? OAuth 1.0a applications should explicitly specify their oauth_callback URL on the request token step, regardless of the value given here. To restrict your application from using callbacks, leave this field blank."
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ben_thatmustbeme
ohhhh, read that wrong
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aaronpk
wow very misleading error message though
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aaronpk
i'm guessing they assume that if you want to restriect your app from using callbacks, then it's a desktop app
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats also in faded small text
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aaronpk
so the error was like "oh you're a desktop app" instead of "the callback is blank"
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ben_thatmustbeme
ugh this again Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/thatmust/public_html/relmeauth/lib/cassis/cassis.js:342) in
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ben_thatmustbeme
already switched it to using cassis-loader.php though
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ben_thatmustbeme
how many errors can i fight through
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ben_thatmustbeme
guess i should not have updated tmhOAuth to the latest
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ben_thatmustbeme
Call to undefined method tmhOAuth::pr() in /home/thatmust/public_html/relmeauth/index.php on line 106
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ben_thatmustbeme
{"errors":[{"message":"Sorry, that page does not exist","code":34}]}
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aaronpk
my guess is that's using the old twitter api
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /relmeauth (+92) "/* Twitter returning 401 error */"
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ben_thatmustbeme
except this is code that tantek is using now
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ben_thatmustbeme
unless he has an updated version thats not published
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@dissolve333
attempt to post via relmeauth #indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme
https://github.com/dissolve/RelMeAuth have my fixes here, including linking to existing submodule versions
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ben_thatmustbeme
the submodules were pointing to revisions that were never pushed live
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tantek
I have not updated the tmhOAuth lib
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adactio.com
edited /2015/Brighton (+193) "/* Participating */"
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tantek
BTW for all you conference speaking types, HTML5DevConf call for proposals for Oct 2015: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1RQ79YieG1zGrzVRz0HDJXJhPevCxHZlyUHQbgeUPam0/viewform
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tantek
I'd say any/all indieweb related topics are on-topic for HTML5DevConf
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tantek
including micropub, indieauth :) (aaronpk)
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tantek
or heck even if you just want to give a beginner-level Intro to the IndieWeb talk to get users online as quickly/easily as possible (benwerd)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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adactio.com
edited /2015/Brighton (+199) "/* Participating */"
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@Johannes_Ernst
@oliviercp I prefer keeping my own posts on my own site, instead of being a sharecopper on somebody else's :-) #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/614209066097733632)
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KartikPrabhu
Q: Twitter shows handful of favs under tweets and hides the rest. So anyone know if the hidden favs are older or newer? Can't find documentation on this
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: can you point / link to a screenshot?
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KartikPrabhu
wait looking
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tantek
perhaps on /favorites ?
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tantek
and if there isn't one, definitely capture and upload
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tantek
also see if it's any different when logged out vs. logged in
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KartikPrabhu
let me find a famous person
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@t
Today is the 10th anniversary of http://t.co/n68anOeayO. Great progress in 6+ years of #microformats2: http://tantek.com/2015/171/t1/10th-anniversary-microformats
(twitter.com/_/status/612448464459280384)
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KartikPrabhu
no difference on login/logout
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: can you take a screenshot and upload, and embed on /favorite#Twitter ?
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KartikPrabhu
yeah on it took shots already
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: should I blur out people's icons?
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tantek
I didn't bother with the existing one
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tantek
I don't think we have in general
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aaronpk
assuming all those accounts are public i think it's fine not to
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tantek
he said it was the same logged in and logged out
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tantek
when in doubt, take the screenshot logged out
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aaronpk
nice rhyme
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KartikPrabhu
what is favourite?
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tantek.com
created /* (+22) "r"
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tantek
what is *?
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kartikprabhu.com
uploaded /File:Twitter-fav-facepile.jpg "screenshot of twitter favs as facepiles 2015-06-25"
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kartikprabhu.com
uploaded /File:Twitter-fav-list.jpg "twitter favs full list"
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tantek.com
edited /Transitional_Steps (-121) "cleanup this page to link to other pages with more well thought out options, see also"
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KartikPrabhu
I can't see any of the screenshots on the /favorites page on Firefox!
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tantek.com
edited /invitation (+41) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ subheads for examples"
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KartikPrabhu
ah! judas priest it is the Adblock Plus extensions again, blocking eveything with Twitter in it or something!
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tantek.com
edited /invitation (+13) "/* IndieWeb Implementations */ subhead bridgy"
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: FWIW I dropped adblockplus for this reason and switched to uBlock
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kartikprabhu.com
edited /favorite (+292) "/* Twitter */ add favourite display screenshots"
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: see https://indiewebcamp.com/favorite#Twitter does anyone know if the displayed ones in the facepile are oldest or newest ?
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+177) "/* Technologies */ invitation"
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tantek
aaronpk++ again for producing the "created in 2014" summary of pages - it's making me fel a lot better about how much we got done in 2014.
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Loqi
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tantek.com
edited /page-name-discovery (+48) "related to link preview"
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tantek.com
edited /2014-review (+285) "/* Community Resources */ mobile, notification"
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tantek.com
moved /possible_events to /2014/possible_events "now obsolete so move to past year"
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