#indiewebcamp 2015-07-18

2015-07-18 UTC
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gRegorLove Starting by dumping name sub-sections in /2015/Demos#Portland Start Demos
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aaronpk I should have video permalinks for you shortly
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Loqi yea!
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+390) "/* Portland Start Demos */ name sub-sections in order, URLs" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I think I got everyone in order for start demos based on the logs^ Let me know if I missed any.
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gRegorLove I think Tyson demoed?
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+690) "/* Portland Start Demos */ Tantek, Lily demos" (view diff)
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GWG I'm trying to convince WordPress to move from oembed to link previews. I think I will be losing another attempt to move them in a better direction.
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+1270) "/* Jeena */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+490) "/* Charles */" (view diff)
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aaronpk gRegorLove: weird that's not the order things happened
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aaronpk unless i'm missing video
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gRegorLove I'm not sure all the demos were logged in chat, so it could be off
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aaronpk i'll add a few more headers based on the video
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+902) "/* Jon */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/Demos (+39) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/Demos (+38) "/* Jeff */" (view diff)
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aaronpk did lily demo twice?
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gRegorLove I don't think so?
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aaronpk ohhh you're doing day 1
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aaronpk my bad
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+536) "/* Jennifer */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Aha. I was gonna say I didn't remember a demo of gibberish.com :)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+339) "/* Aaron */" (view diff)
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aaronpk i have headers for day 2 incoming
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aaronparecki.com edited /2015/Demos (+469) "headers for day 2 demos" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+195) "/* Bret */" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Cool. Day 1 demos are all in now
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aaronpk okay, i cut it down to 47 minutes
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aaronpk it's taking a while to export of course
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kartikprabhu.com edited /2015/Demos (+199) "/* Kartik */ add hfeed2atom" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+186) "/* Lily */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+85) "/* Paul and Tyson */" (view diff)
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kartikprabhu.com edited /feed (+4) "/* How To Consume */ link to representative h-card page" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu cosuming microformats is hard!
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KartikPrabhu gives up on accounting for strange microformats nesting
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emmak what is the problem you are running in to?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "problem you are running in to" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=problem+you+are+running+in+to&summary=prompted+by+emmak+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-17%2Fline%2F1437185365702
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KartikPrabhu emmak: finding a feed and author of the feed on a page
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emmak i had a lot of problems running a reader as well
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KartikPrabhu if the h-feed is top-level object it works easily, but tantek puts his h-feed inside a h-card. In principle the h-feed can be anywhere
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KartikPrabhu also according to https://indiewebcamp.com/feed#How_To_Consume I won't find tantek's feed author
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KartikPrabhu emmak: right now I am working on this to convert hfeed to Atom, but anticipate re-using most of this code to have an indiereader too
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emmak i think i ended up reading all feeds found on the homepage
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emmak some people have more than one feed, filtered by post type
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I'm surprised mf2util didn't work for you... it definitely handles tantek's page https://kylewm.com/services/mf2util?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com&as-feed=true
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KartikPrabhu even then those can be arbitrarily nested. It is easier to search for them in the HTML and to parse only those parts using mf2py. but to get /representative-h-card one would have to parse the whole page anyway.
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KartikPrabhu it seems very inefficient
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KartikPrabhu is very confused
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KartikPrabhu emmak: I have them too. Linked by rel=feed from homepage
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: I could not find how to get author of a feed (not h-entry) with mf2uitl
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kylewm ooooh
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KartikPrabhu <author> is not a required property in Atom but one should be able to get it for a h-feed anyway
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: I think you are looking for first h-feed in the page and parsing only that yes?
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kylewm yes
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kylewm and if no h-feed, then it just uses items
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KartikPrabhu yes. that is what I am doing with aaronpk's homepage at the moment
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KartikPrabhu I'll play around wit mf2util more and just use the things it returns
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kylewm I get your point though, it doesn't ever give you the representative h-card for the feed
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kylewm i didn't understand that before
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KartikPrabhu yeah. and it is very inefficient to first find h-feed in the HTML and then later re-parse the whole page for representative h-card
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KartikPrabhu but mf2util has a lot of code that I might have to write again anyway so I guess I try that
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kylewm well, inefficient is relative
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KartikPrabhu hmm sure
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kylewm pretty mcuh anything you do with the mf2 json is dwarfed by parsing HTML which is dwarfed by network latency
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kylewm and anything you want to add to mf2util is probably welcome
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KartikPrabhu will look into it and see what is missing
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gRegorLove I don't know mf2util, but I know barnaby wrote some mf2 helper functions that aid in extracting author info, so there's certainly proof of concept that could be migrated to python
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gRegorLove https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner/blob/master/src/BarnabyWalters/Mf2/Functions.php#L115
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+158) "/* Jennifer */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme new post type in postly... https://ben.thatmustbe.me/snark/2015/7/18/3/
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aaronpk ha
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp
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tantek a bit of history (been exploring old SWAT0 pages copied to the W3C FSW Incubator from the old FSW site. http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/Throwdown
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tantek some of the origins of "selfdogfood" as a principle
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tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/18957289559
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@t #fsws coders challenge: Do you use your code to publish your site? If not, why not, when will you? #throwingdown http://ttk.me/t46p3 (twitter.com/_/status/18957289559)
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tantek.com edited /selfdogfood (+98) "background FSW wiki Throwdown" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /SWAT0 (+421) "note history, 2010 flow based on Activitystreams, PuSH, Salmon and Webfinger" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu with a minor update to mf2py hfeed2atom also parses tantek's homepage successfully!
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KartikPrabhu also converts aaronpk's person-tags to Atom <category> with URL as value :)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: mf2py works just fine if you pass it a bs4.Tag instead of a bs4.BeautifulSoup?
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KartikPrabhu no. but now it does after my PR
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kylewm that's what i mean
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KartikPrabhu yes :)
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kylewm that's cool
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KartikPrabhu someone should write a test for it or something though
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KartikPrabhu I tested it with tantek's site and mine by extracting h-feed with BS and passing to mf2py
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@jaffathecake @JeremiahLee all rhetoric and no product there. There's actual stuff happening at https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/622298486684405760)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: only one line tested if it was a BS object. Everything else works just fine even on Tag
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kylewm man, jaffathecake really does not like ind.ie
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KartikPrabhu nice! jake Archibald plugs indiewebcamp
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: thanks for the info on ignoring temp files :) I always put them in every repo :P
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@kevinmarks @cdixon @rkischuk twitter now lets you embed richer data in urls than Twitter Annotations allowed at chirp. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/622301469685891072)
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@kevinmarks @glynmoody if you want to cover practical work on this, http://indiewebcamp.com is there for you (twitter.com/_/status/622308147370168322)
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@tinokremer Zo, alle Google+ artikelen ook geimporteerd op mijn eigen site: http://stream.tinokremer.nl #indieweb #eigensite (twitter.com/_/status/622390334270541824)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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Loqi [bridgy] Anselm Hook RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1455747814748163#10152289291131539)
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aaronpk good morning
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@b_lumenkraft Get an #indieweb-compatible personal website running in seconds with Docker, https://App.net/ and #phpadnsite: https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/lukasros/phpadnsite/?utm_content=bufferc1f50&utm_medium=social&utm_source=app.net&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/622411674595803136)
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Loqi slack/snarfed: morning aaronpk
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KevinMarks__ App.net is indieweb compatible now?
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rhiaro I think LukasRos does indieweb app.net stuff..?
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aaronpk he uses app.net as the backend for his site
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@EvilKimau @vectorpoem Better yet control your content and republish elsewhere. See http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/622440510356090881)
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@anant_ebooks Savings Time to me think he was giving it to College World Wide Web Identity, trekking to indieweb site. (twitter.com/_/status/622440910282969088)
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@aaronpk My @Jawbone UP finally died, so I switched to tracking my sleep with the... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/07/18/1/sleep #ownyourdata https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/622457322716004352/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/622457322716004352)
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aaronpk good times
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aaronpk they're SVG images too :)
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aaronpk oh what the php parser does area tags now? https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/58
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gregorlove.com edited /2015/Demos (+899) "/* Aaron */" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh darn, it didn't finish uploading to youtube yetserday
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gRegorLove Captured all the demos from the logs
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aaronpk gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 20 karma
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gRegorLove The anchor links don't work for the day 2 demos since I used the same names, heh
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aaronpk oh haha
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Loqi nice
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gRegorLove Thanks, Loqi
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kylewm oh god I broke bridgy
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aaronpk what'd you do!
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aaronpk oh man it's totally broke. it was working a second ago!
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kylewm yeah, it's cute when you guys are like "i put in a bad permalink and broke bridgy!"
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kylewm when i break bridgy, i break it for everyone!
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gRegorLove overachiever
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aaronpk i miss bridgy
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rhiaro oh man, I was using that
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rhiaro mourns bridgy
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kylewm I think it's back
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kylewm Ryan won't notice right?
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kylewm his email box is full of 10,000 error notifications
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gRegorLove celebrates bridgy's return
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aaronpk !give bridgy a kiss
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Loqi gives a kiss to bridgy
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aaronpk \o/
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kylewm apologies all
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rhiaro kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 190 karma
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aaronpk hey so does that mean you can merge my pull request now?
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aaronpk :D
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kylewm hehe, it looks like a good change to me, but i still want to defer to snarfed for merging stuff
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aaronpk okay
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aaronpk the code that builds that html is kind of confusing
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aaronpk so i only made css changes
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/notes (+211) "Updated URL structure" (view diff)
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kylewm outage post-mortem if anybody wants nitty gritty details of python virtualenvs and google appengine https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/427
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Loqi slack/kodo: Any photos of IndieWebCamp2015?
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aaronpk check out the top few here! http://aaronparecki.com/tag/indiewebcamp
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aaronpk i still need to add the group shots to the wiki
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:gregorlove-note-added-2015-07-18.png]]""
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Loqi slack/kodo: IWC 2015 photo theme: Jazz Hands
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Loqi slack/kodo: Is there a microformat for tagging images? maybe like an x,y bounding box on an image url or something
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Loqi slack/kodo: That would be kinda cool
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aaronpk what is person tagging?
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Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a special kind of tag that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tag by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tagging
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Loqi slack/kodo: You guys think of everything
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aaronpk :D
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:gregorlove-new-note-2015-07-18.png]]""
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aaronpk i haven't actually done x/y tagging myself yet
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gRegorLove Updated https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Gregorlove.com/notes#Posting_interface with my new posting interface. I'll add to /create later.
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Loqi slack/kodo: I don't know a lot of people in the group photo
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Loqi slack/kodo: so even if you listed who they were it would be hard for me to know who is who
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aaronpk yeah x/y tagging is definitely a goal for me
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Loqi slack/kodo: TIL &lt;area&gt; is an html tag
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Loqi slack/kodo: <http://imagemap-generator.dariodomi.de/> YISSSS
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Loqi slack/kodo: <https://gist.github.com/tjgillies/e04cc98d44ad4921688c>
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Loqi slack/kodo:
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Loqi slack/kodo: ?
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Loqi slack/kodo: <https://gist.github.com/tjgillies/e04cc98d44ad4921688c>
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Loqi slack/kodo:
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Loqi slack/kodo: is that coming through the gateway?
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Loqi slack/kodo: slack is converting it to a snippet on this side
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Loqi slack/kodo: going through
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Loqi slack/kodo: If I make a microformats processor can I just call it microformats parser or should i call it microformats2 parser?
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Loqi slack/kodo: its 2 backwards compatible?
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Loqi slack/kodo: is*
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bret aaronpk, voxpelli https://www.npmjs.com/package/bearer-token finially published
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bret kodo, that would be a question for tantek
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Loqi slack/kodo: iex(10)&gt; IO.puts html |&gt; Microformats.to_json
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Loqi slack/kodo: woot woot
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bret wooo
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voxpelli bret++
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Loqi bret has 76 karma
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bret not sure if thats helpful to you
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bret i need to test it with express
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voxpelli not sure either, will have to take a look in an upcoming day
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bret next up, i want to write a token endpoint
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bret or at least the peices to make that easy
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bret voxpelli: have you worked on token endpoint stuff yet?
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aaronpk bret: nice!
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bret oh frik readme err
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bret ill give some micropub examples once I integrate it with an endpoint
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voxpelli bret: nope, haven't created any token endpoint, I'm using aaronpk's for now
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voxpelli (time to sleep now though, good night!)
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Loqi sweet dreams
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emmak bret: i have auth/token/micropub endpoints working
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emmak https://github.com/notenoughneon/skein/blob/master/apiserver.js
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bret oh yeah ill check it out
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bret emmak: would you be interested in using/helping out with a modularized version?
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bret eg a npm module that just does the token stuff, that you could require and use
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emmak yeah
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emmak i think that would probably work better with indieauth.com as the token server
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bret i need to read about it still
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emmak the one i wrote is self contained, so it has dependencies on some data store for the tokens
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bret thats what I was thinking
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bret but contain all of that in a module
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emmak including the database?
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bret self encoded tokens
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bret which would allow for db-less right?
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bret bbiab
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emmak then you still need to configure a server secret key, right?
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rhiaro hey aaronpk, your individual bookmarks posts don't have a h-card on so I can't pull your name and face for 'bookmarked this' mentions
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emmak i guess you could also store tokens in memory
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bear I believe aaronpk just made changes to indieauth for self contained tokens
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bear that's how, IIRC, I can run an indieauth server for the cluster
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emmak are multiple oauth scopes supposed to be separated by a space, or comma?
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emmak rfc6749: "The value of the scope parameter is expressed as a list of space-delimited, case-sensitive strings"
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emmak developer.github.com/v3/oauth: "You can specify multiple scopes by separating them with a comma"
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bret emmak: i was thinking the consumer would pass in a secret
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bret cool ty for that link
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bret eg var tokenEndpoint = require('token-endpoint')(secretKey)
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bret bear: yeah thats who gave me the idea :p
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bear :)
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Jeena Oh wow, Known has even it's own share thingy in firefox https://activations.cdn.mozilla.net/en-US/known.html perhaps I can use it to share to my website too?
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aaronpk emmak: yeah the original pauth 2 spec said commas, so anybody who started making a server a long time ago did commas
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aaronpk bear: yeah indieauth.com uses self-encoded authorization codes now
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emmak aaronpk: do you know what was the rationale for switching to spaces?
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aaronpk i'm sure there's an email in the list archives somewhere :)
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aaronpk aha: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/oauth/current/msg02290.html
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aaronpk comma is a valid URL character, and a lot of people wanted to use full URLs as a scope
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emmak interesting