#indiewebcamp 2015-07-21

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kylewm GWG: yeah, understood. i just wasn't sure if you were following the issue on bridgy's github or not
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kylewm he knows where to find us if he wants help :p
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GWG kylewm: I saw it. I am happy to troubleshoot.
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GWG For example, there is a glitch in WordPress prior to the current version that caused replies to default to mentions.
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kylewm tantek: no attribution for Kartik on that tweet? tsk
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KartikPrabhu yeah where are my royalties! ;)
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tantek kylewm: yeah I couldn't make it fit - will do in a reply to self
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KartikPrabhu tantek: also you did lose the rhyme scheme "find them -- bind them" ;)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yeah, sacrificed find for the more semantically correct retrieve
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KartikPrabhu :P
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KevinMarks which also breaks scansion
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KevinMarks poetry is hard
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tantek the scansion is close enough KevinMarks thanks to the schwa in spidr
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GWG kylewm, Semantic Linkbacks doesn't update old Linkbacks. It is an issue.
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KevinMarks One spider to crawl them all, one bot to curl them, one cache to index all, and in the silos hurl them.
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@t @t from @kartik_prabhu #indiewebcamp cleverness after rant about Google’s one cache, bot UA str http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-20#t1437423981170 (ttk.me t4cG2) (twitter.com/_/status/623285668601561089)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I decided it was creepier to have the spider *crawl* you than just *find* you.
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tantek I mean, which sounds worse?
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tantek KevinMarks, bot to curl is good
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tantek though I don't get the "hurl" - is there throwing up involved?
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KartikPrabhu hurl = throw not used much these days
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tantek ohhh so, *into* the silos hurl them
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KartikPrabhu aah yes
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KevinMarks into silos hurl them
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KevinMarks no the
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KevinMarks then it scans again
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tantek yes
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tantek the grammar still feels awkward with that use of hurl
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tantek like the rhyming is more forced than natural
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tantek the imagery of things being hurled into a silo is good though
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tantek being *bound* in a silo sounds even scarier. like a sense of being trapped.
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Loqi [bridgy] Rattling Can favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-20#t1437423981170 (https://twitter.com/t/status/623285668601561089)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/heathr/status/623220164281040896
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@heathr @ftrain looking for your piece today on your site as well but don't see it. Are yr medium posts only for that site?(and if so v curious why) (twitter.com/_/status/623220164281040896)
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aaronpk weird response
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tantek not at all, he's been up front about being a paid writer for /Medium
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tantek (previously even)
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aaronpk oh
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KevinMarks twitter took away the custom backgrounds (improving their text contrast) but left the UI for them
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aaronpk my custom background is still there, only on tweet permalinks
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KevinMarks they kept the banner, not the whole page background
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aaronpk the background is there but not on my profile page, only on my tweet permalinks
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KevinMarks hm, oh yes
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KevinMarks so it's the themese they nuked?
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KevinMarks and I took my background pic off because ti was glitching badly in chrome
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sparverius something something hipsterweb gopher://themade.org:70
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tantek Firefox dropped gopher: support a while ago
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sparverius http://themade.org:70/ im writing an automated blog post copier from wordpress for it
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sparverius tantek: i should hope so. there's no reason to include gopher support past 2000
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kylewm what is gopher-deaths
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gopher-deaths" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=gopher-deaths&summary=prompted+by+kylewm+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-20%2Fline%2F1437439739358
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sparverius what is gopher
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gopher" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=gopher&summary=prompted+by+sparverius+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-20%2Fline%2F1437439757222
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GWG kylewm: I just checked the page source. Version 3.6.1 of WordPress
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kylewm looks like about 2ish years behind :/
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kylewm that'll do it
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GWG I think I should talk pfefferle into bumping the minimum version number for Semantic Linkbacks
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kylewm GWG++ good detective work
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Loqi GWG has 109 karma
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GWG kylewm: I submitted multiple PRs to pfefferle based on features introduced in versions past 4.2 myself.
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kylewm are older versions necessarily out of date for security reasons too? or might someone run an older Wordpress like they might run Ubuntu 12.04?
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GWG kylewm: There have been several critical security fixes.
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GWG kylewm: That's why Automatic Updates were introduced...in WordPress 3.7
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GWG This person is running 3.6.1
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kylewm hehe
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GWG Minor releases are pushed automatically. Major releases you have to accept.
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GWG But it automatically does it.
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GWG It solved a large amount of security flaws.
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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creatinglake hello
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gRegorLove Welcome, creatinglake
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KartikPrabhu hello creatinglake
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp
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bear were some of the last IWC sessions recorded? I'm trying to get my micropub code caught up with changes
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tantek bear, some were broadcast but I'm not sure if any were recorded besides the intro / demos, and finishing demos
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bear k
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GWG bear: So am I.
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tantek.com edited /2014-review (+21) "re-order losses per significance, tech section edits, some details" (view diff)
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bear I really need to setup a test domain for this - having bear.im for everything leads to silly mistakes in my library code
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tantek good late evening #Indiewebcamp
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snarfed hey tantek
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KartikPrabhu good very late evening
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GWG Good evening
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tantek I have a long blog post if anyone wants to review
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tantek it's like http://tantek.com/2015/201/ - except put a b1 on the end
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bret aaronpk/kylewm/emmak is http://indiewebcamp.com/token-endpoint##Once+you+know+the+authorization+endpoint just a urlencoded request?
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tantek p.s. not linking that URL because it will likely break as I will probably prefer to publish tomorrow morning
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tantek (for better UK / East Coast pickup)
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bret wow cool t
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KevinMarks tantek - "inventing distributed marginalia, a feature previously only available in proprietary text editors like Word, Google Docs, or the Medium silo."
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KartikPrabhu tantek: would be nice if the photos of attendees linked to their homepages wherever possible
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KevinMarks implies that the silos were distributed; might need rephrasing
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tantek good point kevinmarks
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tantek KartikPrabhu: decided better to keep all those links on the indiewebcamp wiki where the community can keep them up to date if possible
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kylewm bret: yep, x-www-form-encoded
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KartikPrabhu tantek: fair enough
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tantek the big image links to that section on the indiewebcamp with all the individual names & links
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KartikPrabhu yes saw that. also observed same point as KevinMarks
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tantek KevinMarks: reload :)
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tantek (i'll keep reading logs while I'm mobile - so keep commenting, thanks!0
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tantek )
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snarfed looks great, i like it!
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snarfed the intro in particular is well written and a great lead-in
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snarfed maybe consider adding a TOC with links?
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snarfed also i think withknown is just the domain, not the name of the hosted service
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snarfed otherwise lgtm!
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bret kylewm: should I be expecting 200?
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bret http 200 ok?
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kylewm yes
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tantek wow a ToC - not sure I've put one of those in a blog post before but this one does seem pretty long
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GWG tantek: I'm on Part 7 of a series of posts and show no sign of ending.
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tantek GWG, you mean, as in you're writing them
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GWG Yes. But, you were mentioning length and I'm wondering about that myself.
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GWG tantek: I intend to either like or reply to that as soon as it is public, by the way.
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/carlfish/status/622932590048075776
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@carlfish WE LITERALLY COULDN’T THINK OF ANYTHING CUTE TO SAY ABOUT JAVA. #OSCON https://twitter.com/carlfish/status/622932590048075776/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/622932590048075776)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jens Wonke-Stehle favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-20#t1437423981170 (https://twitter.com/t/status/623285668601561089)
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@EdgarsLabRat [moz] Tantek Çelik: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/623390470803054592)
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@planetmozilla Tantek Çelik: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623390763972431872)
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@tinokremer Interesting roundup of the #indieweb information, events and technical details by @t (twitter.com/_/status/623397542236020736)
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@tinokremer Interesting roundup of the #indieweb information, events and technical details by @t http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623397795131555840)
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Loqi [mention] posted 'Tantek has an excellent review of how the year 2014 was for the IndieWebCamp Movement.' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com (/bearlog/2015/202/indiewebcamp-2014-year-in-review)
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Loqi [bridgy] Robin Taylor favorited a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-20#t1437423981170 (https://twitter.com/t/status/623285668601561089)
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@codebear excellent #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review post by @t -- http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623400211147280384)
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@ShaneHudson RT @codebear: excellent #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review post by @t -- http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623400508703834112)
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bear I really need to get my twitter POSSE working :/ -- but first I have to unbreak my micropub :/
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ShaneHudson Haha :) I'm currently working on V2 of my app for replying to tweets via twitter share button on android. That will help me use it more (once I fix my micropub end point to accept in-reply-to)
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bear :)
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bear right now i'm getting a test site going so I can test my indieauth login
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@PlanetFeeds Tantek Çelik: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: Forward We’re more than halfway throug... http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/623413208817123328)
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@ShaneHudson CSS is so much easier than working out the XML for android but getting there :) Can now add to the list. #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/ShaneHudson/status/623416160550285313/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/623416160550285313)
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Loqi [mention] https://petermolnar.eu/r/pretty-much linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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tantek oops I forgot to change the permalink
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tantek minor earthquake here in SF
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@t #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623430020233580544)
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@scatteredbrainV RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623435812550656000)
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@jkphl thoroughly enjoys and recommends @t's #IndieWebCamp 2014 review — what a nice rise in activity! http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623436543118692352)
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Jeena ich glaub ich muss mir den Film mal wieder angucken, das war ja ewigkeiten her
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ShaneHudson It works! I can now add a name and url to list, then when I click the name on the list it sets it to be my micropub client. So when I share on twitter (or anywhere else), it sends the reply url through to the default client.
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Jeena oh wrong channel, sory ^^
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ShaneHudson And changing between them is as simple and keeping the app open and switching to the app and back again :)
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Zegnat Jeena: how many languages do you speak?
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Jeena 4
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Zegnat The German threw me off, ha
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Jeena which apparently is not enough, when I was in Marocco they asked me: "Do you speak French? - No - Do you speak Spanish? - No - But do you at least speak Arabic? - No :-("
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Jeena So I would like to learn spanish but I don't have anyone to talk to in spanish so it is quite difficult
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Zegnat Yeah, Marocco is very french oriented, surprised me when I first heard about that!
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@t @brucel thanks for the quick BTW! Darn relative links. Fixed (on home page and permalink) http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (ttk.me t4cH1) (twitter.com/_/status/623438370203660288)
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@kevinbeynon RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623439272104726528)
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@voxpelli RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623441033771253760)
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mapkyca man... I need to learn some more languages, but they never seem to stick ;)
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Jeena does anyone tag people via micropub?
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kodfabrik.se edited /facepile (+415) "Adding myself as a facepile example" (view diff)
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voxpelli Jeena: aaronpk does through OwnYourGram now I think?
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Zegnat https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/07/15/1/indiewebcamp - “Posted using ownyourgram.com”, tagged people including Jeena
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Jeena oha I see
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Jeena "u-category h-card" hm ok
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Jeena hm but it is the wrong URL! I guess it is the wrong url on instagram
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Jeena ok fixed
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Jeena so I guess he sends a webmention to me but how would I know that the intent was to tell me that he tagged me?
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Jeena !tell aaronpk Is there a reason why you can't merge this? https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/pull/19 can I help?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek Jeena, also /mobilepub by ben_thatmustbeme let's you tag people via micropub
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tantek s/let's/lets
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Loqi tantek meant to say: Jeena, also /mobilepub by ben_thatmustbeme lets you tag people via micropub
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Zegnat I think you have to parse the u-category-s on your end to see that you are tagged, Jeena. See http://indiewebcamp.com/person-tagging
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tantek yes
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tantek when you verify the webmention, if you see that the link to you is on a u-category inside an h-entry, that means you have been person-tagged in that h-entry
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Jeena ok, I'm confused about the naming "category" for tag
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tantek Jeena - it's a re-use of what "category" is used for in practice
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tantek "category" being the term from vCard, iCalendar, etc. for free form category lables (AKA tags)
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Jeena I don't categorize people
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tantek no it's the post being categorized as being about that person :)
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Zegnat tantek, I forget, but does the IndieWeb have a name for “tag” other than “category”?
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tantek the u-category is a property of the containing h-entry
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Jeena it sounds like "for historic reasons" :p
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tantek Zegnat - not AFAIK, unless you're talking about tag-of posts
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tantek Jeena - yeah there's other standards as well that use "category" to mean the same thing
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tantek since there was that pre-existing reasonable consistency, it made more sense to re-use than make a new term
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Jeena ok
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tantek because a new term would get into all sorts of useless debates of is this a category or a tag?
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Jeena hehe yeah
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tantek (seriously, we still have them sometimes)
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Zegnat Curse WordPress for having both categories and tags
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tantek Zegnat: yeah WordPress was/is in error ther
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+595) "How to parse - be explicit, per IRC prompting from Jeena, also Ben used mobilepub to person-tag to pass SWAT0" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+5) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ person name" (view diff)
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Zegnat tantek++ thanks for clearing that up!
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Loqi tantek has 223 karma
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tantek.com edited /person-tag (+331) "/* Tool Support */ mobilepub, ownyourgram" (view diff)
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tantek np Zegnat!
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voxpelli Jeena: sounded on aaronpk yesterday that he was positive about the SQLite addition at least (got up for discussion when I set up OwnYourGram locally and had some SQL problems)
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voxpelli In other news: My Micropub workflow for the iOS Editorial app now parses YAML Front Matter to allow for custom Micropub properties: http://www.editorial-workflows.com/workflow/5833229495959552/tO76Z7cIfTU
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voxpelli And if anyone missed it the other day, I made a screencast showing how that workflow works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7hUR7flTAY
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voxpelli (I guess not that many others has been crazy enough yet to buy such an expensive app, but its one of the few that allows custom code on iOS so it's a bit magical in that regard)
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voxpelli !tell aaronpk Regarding posting bookmarks over Micropub, shouldn't it be "bookmark-of" rather than "bookmark"? http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#New_Bookmark
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Aodunaderasheed RT @book_tribe: • R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/623453083104845824)
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Zegnat Jeena: are you still planning to do a HWC next week?
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Jeena Zegnat, yes
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Jeena Have you been to the Steampunk bar yet?
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Jeena http://atsteampunkbar.se/ I was thinking to have it there but I'm not sure if it isn't to faar away from the central station
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Jeena it's a 15 min walk
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Jeena and they have nice beers
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Zegnat I have not been there, it looks fancy.
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Zegnat I don’t get down to Gbg a lot, as I study in the opposite direction: Karlstad
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Zegnat Currently looking if there is any way for me to get back home. The last train seems to depart 19:15, I’d miss the last hour or so
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Jeena oh that early? where do you live again?
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Zegnat Åmål
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Zegnat It’s SJ’s summer schedule . . .
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Jeena but perhaps we can start earlier
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Zegnat I’ll leave that up to the organiser ;)
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Zegnat You should add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc Even if it is just, like the NYC one, a “TBD” stub.
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Jeena or I culd just make it official
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Zegnat Even better!
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Jeena hehe weird that the other locations don't mention that they're in the US
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Zegnat Just means you do not have to mention that it’s in Sweden ;)
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Jeena I remember people being worried for their relatives about the war in Georgia
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Jeena but my website still doesn't support events grml
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Zegnat I might just launch my new blogging system from HWC, will see!
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@haverholm RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623464630120247296)
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Loqi [mention] Jeena posted 'Homebrew Website Club 29th of July 2015; 5:30pm — 7:30pm UTC -07:00 [Steampunk Bar](http://fatheadsportland.com/headquarters.html) [Kung...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (/notes/386)
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Loqi [bridgy] Jeena Pa RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1456574994667067#728407677)
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Jeena Zegnat, now you can RSVP ;)
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Zegnat I’ll book my traintickets later today, then I can’t go back on it anymore ;)
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@jeena Next week thursday: the first "IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Göteborg". Join us to work on your personal website: https://jeena.net/notes/386 (twitter.com/_/status/623474457450033153)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1456574994667067#10153510349172392 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club
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@jeena Next week wednesday: the first "IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Göteborg". Join us to work on your personal website: https://jeena.net/notes/386 (twitter.com/_/status/623474867594244096)
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Zegnat Oh man, all the Loqi spam
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Loqi who, me?
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Jeena jesus every mistake I make somewhere on the internet is documented here
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Zegnat Haha
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@danielmattsson RT @jeena: Next week wednesday: the first "IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Göteborg". Join us to work on your personal website: https://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/623476784324059136)
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@adactioLinks IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement - Tantek http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623477944925691904)
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@schnarfed RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623479879456169984)
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@pfefferle RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623479984196333568)
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@cjk101010 Are you staying in Göteborg? Attend the Homebrew Website Club! https://jeena.net/notes/386 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623480327885979648)
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@jeena RT @cjk101010: Are you staying in Göteborg? Attend the Homebrew Website Club! https://jeena.net/notes/386 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623480830678183936)
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@hackr the state of the indie web http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (via @pfefferle) (twitter.com/_/status/623481671644483584)
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KartikPrabhu morning! Loqi messages?
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@Petersell RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623486185684475904)
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KartikPrabhu on how to "convert" Wordpress tags to be more like Wordpress categories https://css-tricks.com/how-and-why-to-convert-wordpress-tags-from-flat-to-hierarchical/
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KartikPrabhu over-organisation me thinks
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@fakebaldur “#IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement” http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623489480633270272)
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@johannesdachsel RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623489714700578816)
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KartikPrabhu today in silo app shenahigans: https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/623481438281814016
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@craigmod Apple News channel backend — frustrating. The RSS feed works and … well, I guess me must write more better? https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/623481438281814016/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/623481438281814016)
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snarfed funny. twitter's "who to follow" recommendations for tantek's account are all other people with one letter usernames: https://snarfed.org/one_letterers.png
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: lol
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@martinlindner RT @hackr: the state of the indie web http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (via @pfefferle) (twitter.com/_/status/623492637409021952)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: it seems hfeed2atom is mostly feature-complete for my purposes. If you use it let me know if more things are needed
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: congrats!
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KartikPrabhu !tell kylewm: it seems hfeed2atom is mostly feature-complete for my purposes. If you use it let me know if more things are needed
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed i don't personally need it right now, but i'll definitely try it
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: cool
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snarfed next step: service!
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell Jeena, tantek to be clear about person tagging, mobilepub does not specifically support person tagging, but postly sees any category starting with http:// or https:// as a potential tag (checks for h-card). so really ANY micropub client that lets you enter a category will work
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: hmm yes. will get one that after adding some docs and readme
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KartikPrabhu s/one/on
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: snarfed: hmm yes. will get on that after adding some docs and readme
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snarfed cool! looks like 'hfeed2atom' is available on app engine :P
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Jeena oh I need it to make atom feeds of aarons and tanteks websites so they show up in my reader
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Loqi Jeena: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 31 seconds ago: to be clear about person tagging, mobilepub does not specifically support person tagging, but postly sees any category starting with http:// or https:// as a potential tag (checks for h-card). so really ANY micropub client that lets you enter a category will work http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437487325822
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: errr how?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: hfeed2atom.appspot.com isn't taken
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Jeena I see ben_thatmustbeme, ok that sounds good
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: here is the repo https://github.com/kartikprabhu/hfeed2atom
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: oh I see. I haven't worked with appspot before, will see how hard it is to setup
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Jeena oh and it is not PHP, neat, then I will be able to run it on my server :p
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: feel free to ask me any q's
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Jeena KartikPrabhu, what would be nice is some instructions on how to run it in the readme for people who aren't that familiar with how you do stuff with python
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KartikPrabhu Jeena: yes. that is my next thing to do :)
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KartikPrabhu will let you know once that is up
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Jeena great
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Jeena I am watching the git repo now anyway ;)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: looking at appspot "getting started" now. Will try it out after updaitng readme and such. thanks
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KartikPrabhu now thinks if he wants to be a service-runner. Seems like a lot of work from seeing snarfed and kylewm :P
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: heh. you already are! your site is a servic
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snarfed i bet this would be way less work than that
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KartikPrabhu alright! I guess I'll give it a go :)
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snarfed and bridgy is way way bigger, it won't be like that :P
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snarfed great!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: feel free to use e.g. https://github.com/snarfed/instagram-atom/ as a minimal app engine example
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@kevinmarks RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623497177000611840)
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KartikPrabhu cool! thanks
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: haven't felt that much of a burden from running my WebMention endpoint :)
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: you mean on appspot?
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: I run it on Heroku, but shouldn't be that different, the service running effort should be pretty similar
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: cool! good to know. I have not used either of those before but here goes nothing
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KartikPrabhu https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/623506782267305984
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@craigmod Oh, the web is such a broken mess. Researching perfectly formed ATOM feeds — half the links are broken. URLs abandoned. A rotting house. (twitter.com/_/status/623506782267305984)
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KartikPrabhu anyone have a real world example of a nice Atom feed? https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/623508933366415360
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@craigmod @kartik_prabhu Thanks! I peeked at that but was looking for more "real world" examples. (twitter.com/_/status/623508933366415360)
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Zegnat tantek does validated atom, I believe?
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tantek I'm not sure I'd say my Atom feed was "nice"
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Loqi tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 1 hour, 5 minutes ago: to be clear about person tagging, mobilepub does not specifically support person tagging, but postly sees any category starting with http:// or https:// as a potential tag (checks for h-card). so really ANY micropub client that lets you enter a category will work http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437487325822
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tantek though I did recently double the number of entries in it to see if I could get away with the traffic
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snarfed holy shit, facebook api v2.4 takes a hatchet to a bunch of stuff we use: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/apps/changelog#v2_4_deprecations
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snarfed read_stream, shares, event invitees, event likes, /me/home, all dead
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tantek if anything my Atom feed is a bit bleeding edge (still), in that I *both* use some obscure XHTML features (e.g. in the entry title), and I support ActivityStreams / Atom with post types of article, note, and the like verb.
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tantek snarfed :( :( :(
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snarfed fb api is an abusive relationship we keep going back to
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tantek so they really are walking the same path as Twitter and slowly cutting off the API oxygen to apps
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ben_thatmustbeme wow!
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snarfed still reading. hoping i just misunderstand
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ben_thatmustbeme so yeah, i'll be using FB even less
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cdevroe Well, hello everyone. Nice place you have here. :-)
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tantek welcome cdevroe!!
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Zegnat Well, at least for FB it makes more sense to go that way than for Twitter. FB has never grown because of third party devs, basically all average FB users will be using FB’s own apps
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KartikPrabhu hi cdevroe
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cdevroe @tantek Hello young man. Just read the 2014 review. Ready to help make 2015 be even better. :-)
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tantek cdevroe - appreciate you being here :)
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cdevroe Sorry, just used an @ symbol. Totally been using Slack too long already.
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tantek snarfed, I wonder if FB is even bothering with bizdev access to those deprecated APIs
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tantek cdevroe: there are some Slack fans and users here too - we have a bridge
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cdevroe Ohryl?
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snarfed tantek: afaik usually no, private vs deprecating are orthogonal
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snarfed read_stream has been one exception
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cdevroe I will look for that.
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@jimpick Go Indieweb Go! Nice state-of-the-union post. https://twitter.com/t/status/623508062066876416 (twitter.com/_/status/623511511802077184)
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tantek also, we have reasonably pretty IRC logs that are kind of Slack-like, but you know, open, with microformats, etc. : https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today
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snarfed Zegnat: are you kidding re fb growth? zynga etc were primary drivers of fb growth for *years*
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snarfed apologizes, didn't meant that as hostile as it sounded :P
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Zegnat no offence taken :p
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Zegnat I feel like FB games have always been less dependent on the *social* APIs
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Zegnat Less than the indieweb is
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cdevroe.com created /User:Cdevroe.com (+126) "updated a little" (view diff)
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snarfed Zegnat: sure! that i agree with. that's different from whether they drove fb user growth though
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snarfed anyway, no matter
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tantek cdevroe: also if you add an image in your entry in /irc-people it will show up in the logs :)
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tantek (using "/" before a term in IRC also gets auto-linked to the IndieWebCamp wiki page in the logs)
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cdevroe tantek: Thanks for the information. I’m looking into setting up Slack since I have that open all day already. May or may not have done it right. A few hoops to jump through.
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cdevroe Sorry. Can someone with access see if I accidentally signed up with cdevroe@indiewebcamp.com rather than cdevroe.com@indiewebcamp.com — I may have done that incorrectly?
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tantek hmm - is Loqi not picking up the plural IndieWebCamps? https://twitter.com/t/status/623508062066876416
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@t In 2014 over a hundred people participated in 2x IndieWebCamps as the previous year, and improved their sites: http://tantek.com/2015/202/t4/over-hundred-participated-indiewebcamps (twitter.com/_/status/623508062066876416)
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tantek darn missed KartikPrabhu
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tantek that @craigmod link is harsh on Atom (but just confirms what a lot of us have learned about such /side-files ) : https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/623506782267305984
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@craigmod Oh, the web is such a broken mess. Researching perfectly formed ATOM feeds — half the links are broken. URLs abandoned. A rotting house. (twitter.com/_/status/623506782267305984)
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cdevroe KartikParbhu: Just FYI, your site doesn’t point to Atom/RSS feeds at all. :(
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tantek I think he's still testing them (they're automatically generated from the /h-feed on his /homepage )
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tantek https://twitter.com/kartik_prabhu/status/623510588099067904
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@kartik_prabhu @craigmod hard to find those. used that as a guide to generate my Atom from homepage (https://kartikprabhu.com/atom) more: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/craigmod-atom2 (twitter.com/_/status/623510588099067904)
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cdevroe tantek: I meant the rel=“alternate” HTML that allows feed readers to find any available feeds for a site. His site does not have that HTML that I see.
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tantek cdevroe: right, I figured he's testing them out before enabling automatic discovery that way.
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tantek He just got it working a bit over a week ago.
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cdevroe tantek: I think I messed up my Slack “bridge”. Can you see if there is an account with “cdevroe” in it that is wrong?
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cdevroe Really sorry.
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tantek hmm - did you follow the instructions at indiewebcamp.com/slack ?
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tantek what step are you getting stuck?
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cdevroe I think I got confused as to what my email address was supposed to be.
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cdevroe I think I made it cdevroe@ rather than cdevroe.com@ ? Maybe?
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tantek clearly we need to improve the instructions then :)
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tantek there he is, welcome back KartikPrabhu
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cdevroe tantek: Or I went too fast and have a lot of muscle memory to use just cdevroe@ everywhere.
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tantek try again with cdevroe.com@ ?
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cdevroe OK. Will do.
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KartikPrabhu oh hey! was I looked for
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cdevroe tantek: No email from Slack. I must have really messed it up.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: cdevroe: of course my site links to atom feeds down below in the footer
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Loqi slack/tantek: cdevroe, this is what it looks like when people from slack show up.
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KartikPrabhu it has rel="alternate feed" :)
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KartikPrabhu also this twitter thread has a nice reply-to-reply grouping that might be of interest: https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/623506782267305984
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cdevroe KartikPrabhu: Do feed readers find them in the footer?
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@craigmod Oh, the web is such a broken mess. Researching perfectly formed ATOM feeds — half the links are broken. URLs abandoned. A rotting house. (twitter.com/_/status/623506782267305984)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: interesting. hey cdevroe what Atom reader/discoverer app were you using that failed to find rel="alternate feed"
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cdevroe tantek: Should I be embarrassed to say Feedly?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: cdevroe: it is possible that feed readers only look at <link> in the head
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KartikPrabhu cdevroe: I use Feedly and it does not find them
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tantek KartikPrabhu: likely worth a bug report to Feedly
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tantek what is Feedly
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Loqi feedly is a server-based feed aggregator and reader https://indiewebcamp.com/feedly
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tantek Feedly has other bugs too, e.g.: https://indiewebcamp.com/feedly#Fails_To_Handle_Atom_XHTML_titles
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: Jeena left you a message 4 hours, 45 minutes ago: Is there a reason why you can't merge this? https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/pull/19 can I help? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437476161290
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Loqi aaronpk: voxpelli left you a message 4 hours, 20 minutes ago: Regarding posting bookmarks over Micropub, shouldn't it be "bookmark-of" rather than "bookmark"? http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#New_Bookmark http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437477654335
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tantek KartikPrabhu: file a bug with them and link to it from https://indiewebcamp.com/feedly#Issues
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aaronpk caught up on logs
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aaronpk voxpelli: yes! fixed it
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KartikPrabhu cdevroe: if you put the actual atom links in then it does work :P which is how I subscribe to my own feed for testing purposes
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aaronpk quill sends the wrong value so i'll have to fix that
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cdevroe KartikPrabhu: That is what I ended up doing. Thanks to tantek linking to the “note” you wrote Craig which had the Atom feed URL in it. Coincidence.
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voxpelli aaronpk: nice! and I got bookmark posting from Instapaper through Editorial to Micropub fully working now :)
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aaronpk Jeena: sorry, didnt get to that yesterday. i'm on the road so only at my computer periodically
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aaronpk voxpelli: nice!
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KartikPrabhu cdevroe: :) maybe but I brought up Craig Mod's Atom troubles here so...
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aaronpk voxpelli: with "bookmark-of" i hope?
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voxpelli aaronpk: yes!
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cdevroe What is everyone using for IRC? Is Colloquy still the Mac app of choice for this? (Boy, does it look and feel dated)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "everyone using for IRC" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=everyone+using+for+IRC&summary=prompted+by+cdevroe+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-21%2Fline%2F1437493410641
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aaronpk cdevroe: i prefer limechat on osx
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cdevroe aaronpk: Thanks. I was going to use Slack but it looks like I hamfisted it.
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voxpelli aaronpk: but I expose it as YAML front matter in the editor so I can easily change to eg repost and such manually
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Zegnat I am using Limechat, but have heard great things about Textual, which I believe is a Limechat fork
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tantek everyone using for IRC is /irc#Clients
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Loqi ok
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KartikPrabhu tantek: given the reply here: https://plus.google.com/110760594609453531817/posts/2J3wWDsJFnU I doubt that Feedly is willing to entertain bugs like that. More likely they'll tell me to put <link> in the <head>
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aaronpk cdevroe: hmm... it should have walked you through it
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cdevroe aaronpk: My hand needs extra firm holding, it seems.
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aaronpk you enter your domain, sign in, enter your forwarding address, and then pre-fills your iwc email on the slack page
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ShaneHudson I use Textual. Used to use irssi on server but now use Textual with ZNC
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tantek KartikPrabhu: nah, file the bug and document it on the /Feedly page - if they want to not support the Atom spec, that's their perogative but it doesn't help the feed standards any (nor their claim of supporting Atom)
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tantek also their conflation of HTML and XHTML misses the point as well
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Zegnat ShaneHudson, is Textual worth buying?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: sure will do, during lunch time or something
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ShaneHudson Zegnat: I forgot I paid for it tbh, it is usually on in the background and never had a bug or wished for a feature
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voxpelli cdevroe: I use IRCCloud, I'm actually paying for it monthly to be able to idle in the proper channels
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ShaneHudson voxpelli: Set up ZNC on your server? That's what I did, now I'm idle everywhere all the time haha
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Zegnat I had a bug with Limechat when setting up multiserver ZNC, but I don’t know if I should pay for an IRC client
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Loqi hehe
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ShaneHudson Hmm I do only have ZNC running for freenode.
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KartikPrabhu oh my. Feedly bug filing is on a G+ "community"
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voxpelli ShaneHudson: I would need a server for that, I currently have no generic servers ;)
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Zegnat I am running it on both efnet and freenode, and apparently Limechat stores server settings indexed by server address. And ofcourse my ZNC server address is the same for both.
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ShaneHudson Just had a quite well known UK agency ask me to make a full single page flickr app in angular or backbone for free to prove I am a developer... no thank you!
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voxpelli People should use Feedbin rather than Feedly, the entire source code of Feedbin is open so one can contribute features even though it's a paid for service
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cdevroe Thanks for the suggestions. Giving LimeChat a whirl.
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ShaneHudson voxpelli: Oh that's good, and if they close down then there can be mirrors, or at least self host
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snarfed voxpelli++ for no generic servers
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snarfed sysadmin--
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Loqi voxpelli has 32 karma
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Loqi sysadmin has -2 karma
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aaronpk hehe
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voxpelli ShaneHudson: not sure it has an open license, but the code is open for inspection
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snarfed sharedhosting++
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Loqi sharedhosting has 2 karma
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Zegnat has ZNC running on sharedhosting
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KartikPrabhu anyone know a good FF extension to screenshot entire pages?
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: latest FF can do it on its own I hear!
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KartikPrabhu eh what!
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@diplix .@jimmy_wales wales does not [like|know] the #indieweb. what a pity. https://tpo.com/activities/d0e774c1-86de-4f4a-bd65-067590f36681 (twitter.com/_/status/623520805025095680)
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ShaneHudson Yeah it can, there is a screenshot command
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voxpelli +1 on aaronpk
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Zegnat The whole Feedbin backend is MIT licensed btw
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ShaneHudson Nice
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voxpelli Zegnat: cool!
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Zegnat ShaneHudson, if you can ever test it, this is the LimeChat bug that I hope Textual has fixed: https://github.com/psychs/limechat/issues/248
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ShaneHudson Sure, will try to take a look at some point. Not tonight though, I'm exhuasted already haha
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snarfed Zegnat etc: agreed, open source for services is great. newsblur is another great paid + open source feed reader
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snarfed https://www.newsblur.com/ , https://github.com/samuelclay/NewsBlur
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KartikPrabhu found it! had to enable in dev tools settings
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cdevroe aaronpk: What is the pane on the bottom of Limechat for?
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voxpelli snarfed: I guess TextMate is a similar example, open source but a paid application. Very nice concept
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Zegnat cdevroe: raw IRC server log, I believe
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aaronpk cdevroe: it shows aggregated chat of all other channels
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Zegnat I just hide it
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tantek what is Feedbin?
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Loqi Feedbin is a traditional feed reader similar to Google Reader, but offers a much improved and simplified interface compared to what Google Reader had https://indiewebcamp.com/feedbin
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snarfed clearly we should start charging for bridgy
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snarfed (kidding!!! :P)
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cdevroe Tnx.
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voxpelli snarfed: Wouldn't be a bad idea imho
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Zegnat snarfed: the only problem is that, while I respect them open-sourcing it, I am still more likely to look for a new provider if they ever go down than I am to start selfhosting it :(
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voxpelli snarfed: as long as it would be some kind of freemium setup
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tantek Zegnat - looks like Feedbin is open to h-feed support - perhaps help out here? https://github.com/feedbin/feedbin/issues/132
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KartikPrabhu what is reply-thread
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Loqi A reply chain (AKA reply thread) is a list of replies, and replies to those replies, displayed under the original post https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-thread
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snarfed Zegnat: sure! the point isn't that all users would end up running their own instance. you just need *one* to take over
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voxpelli Zegnat: main point of open code in that case is not that you should be able to host it yourself I think, but to inspect the code and maybe augment the code
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Zegnat tantek: much like kylewm’s response there, I build in Node or PHP and don’t do Ruby :(
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tantek poor Ruby, so neglected
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aaronpk the ruby parser is okay
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tantek aaronpk: it hasn't kept up :/
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voxpelli I thought we had many indie ruby devs?
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aaronpk the problem isn't using the parser, the problem is using the data
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ShaneHudson aaronpk: Has anyone yet looked into making quill (or another client) work with service workers? The final part of improving my POSSE workflow is offline mode for the client
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aaronpk and handling messy feeds
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ShaneHudson I've got replying to tweets working nicely now :)
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aaronpk for example there are like 4 different ways you have to look for feed entries after parsing the page
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tantek aaronpk really? is that something we can document better and/or provide library support for?
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voxpelli With a worker setup someone like Feedbin should be able to use parsers from other languages
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snarfed ShaneHudson: mmm offline mobile web indieweb client: https://snarfed.org/posting-to-the-indieweb-from-your-phone
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voxpelli Especially if one decides to use eg. Amazon Lambda (which is kind of amazing)
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aaronpk i think it'd be a great thing for a library to support, the problem is we haven't defined clean APIs that one could even follow to build a library
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tantek aaronpk - perhaps contribute your current thoughts to /h-feed ?
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aaronpk also consuming feeds often involves additional HTTP requests, and as soon as you start requiring more requests you can't put it into a library as easily because people have different preferences on how to make http requests
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voxpelli The experience I had at Bloglovin at parsing page metadata at scale using Amazon Lambda was very impressive (and that parser is open source now)
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ShaneHudson snarfed: Looks like a challenge for me! Not today though. I think a simple version would be relatively easy. Just store until has connection then send. Jake Archibald has written loads about how to do similar
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snarfed ShaneHudson: totally! go for it!
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tantek tommorris: this reminded me of your rant: https://twitter.com/mhoye/status/623315971948687360
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@mhoye @nomadium "Try our app! It's exactly like our webpage except its not always bugging you to try our app." (twitter.com/_/status/623315971948687360)
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voxpelli snarfed: speaking of no generic servers, seen that Amazon Lambda gives you 3.2 million execution seconds per month for free? And up to 100 parallel executions?
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aaronpk wow i might have to give that a shot
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snarfed voxpelli: cool! i expect that's for a year, like the rest of amazon's free quota, not indefinitely
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voxpelli snarfed: I believe it's indefinite
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snarfed and functionality free tiers for other paas task processing services (e.g. google's) are similar
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snarfed still, i love that they exist
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aaronpk "The Lambda free tier does not automatically expire at the end of your 12 month AWS Free Tier term, but is available to both existing and new AWS customers indefinitely"
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snarfed nice!
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aaronpk either node.js or java.. hmm
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voxpelli snarfed: see http://aws.amazon.com/lambda/pricing/
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voxpelli aaronpk: good thing the node mf2 stuff is good ;)
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tantek indeed!
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tantek glennjones++ for node mf2 stuff!
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voxpelli aaronpk: built https://github.com/bloglovin/metadataparser on the same Cheerio base as glennjones used for the mf2 library – a good Lambda reference I hope
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aaronpk neat
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ShaneHudson Cheerio is really good. I used it for my web crawling spell checker :) (very much in pre alpha!)
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aaronpk oh no twitter broke my "like" bookmarklet
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aaronpk "...because it violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "script-src 'unsafe-inline'..."
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aaronpk i was injecting quill's "like" code into the page
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tantek guess you'll have to use iframes
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aaronpk or just redirect like i do for bookmarks
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voxpelli Bookmarklets are generally pretty dead :/
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aaronpk it'll just take a split second longer
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aaronpk voxpelli: !! no way!
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aaronpk my bookmarklet for posting bookmarks is my favorite. i use it every day!
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voxpelli aaronpk: haven't been able to use Pinboards on so many pages for the last year due to CSP:s
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voxpelli need to rely on browser extensions instead
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aaronpk snarfed: oh man, way to dig this up https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/39
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aaronpk i'm struggling with this because it's going to involve a lot of duplicating functionality between my php and ruby libraries
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aaronpk specifically the part that turns webmentions into notification text, which I recently added to my site
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snarfed aaronpk: easy solution, just let me do it. i won't struggle with that :P
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aaronpk haha
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aaronpk i wonder if i should just let webmention.io do it for my site too, by having my site forward webmentions to it
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snarfed no hurry. if i do get back into this stuff, i'll probably fix https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/44 first
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snarfed (but that'll be quick)
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aaronpk hm yeah i think that makes a lot of sense actually.
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aaronpk also means i'll be relying on it more than for just IRC notifications so i'll be faster to fix bugs and make improvements :)
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gRegorLove Morning, indiewebcamp
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snarfed aaronpk: lol sorry to nerd snipe you
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snarfed isn't sorry
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Jeena ah aaronpk nothing which I can help you with then ;)
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kylewm so I understand--clustering mentions should ideally be done by Loqi, but a lot of the logic that we think of as Loqi is actually in webmention.io?
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Loqi kylewm: KartikPrabhu left you a message 2 hours, 42 minutes ago: it seems hfeed2atom is mostly feature-complete for my purposes. If you use it let me know if more things are needed http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437487269639
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Loqi is done
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cdevroe If I'm using DF Style links on my blog would I use u-url for _my_ entry or for _their_ entry?
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cdevroe (referring to h-entry)
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rhiaro ^^ tantek, aaronpk
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aaronpk kylewm: yes, all the Webmention stuff Loqi does is actually Webmention.io
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aaronpk By the time it gets to Loqi it's just a string of text to say in IRC
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kylewm cdevroe: adactio uses u-url on *his* site's permalink https://adactio.com/links/
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KartikPrabhu cdevroe: u-url is used to indicate the url of whatever h-entry you are marking up
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gRegorLove Hey, cdevroe. Welcome. You sent me a viddler shirt many moons ago. :)
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tantek rhiaro: remote participant? Tigo is not participating "in-person"?
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cdevroe gRegorLove: What color?
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gRegorLove gray
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cdevroe gRegorLove: Awesome. I kept my light green colored one. We only gave those out to people who pushed code. ;-) Thanks for welcoming me.
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cdevroe KartikPrabhu kylewm: OK. That is what I will do then.
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cdevroe Though, on my permalink things may get weird. I look to see how Jeremy does it.
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aaronpk Tehe yay rhiaro!
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bear hey cdevroe, welcome
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bear (you also sent me a viddler shirt many moons ago - but the non-code version :)
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cdevroe bear: hey hey hey! Looooong time man.
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bear seriously long time - glad to see you around these parts
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cdevroe I seriously feel like this channel is a high school reunion for me.
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cdevroe bear: Glad to be here. Just getting things set up.
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cdevroe First, getting my site all indie-ified.
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cdevroe Then, I'll push updates to Barley so that all sites on the platform follow the rules.
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bear always a good first step
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cdevroe tantek: I will also be looking to add an meet up to the wiki for here in Scranton. I own a coworking space and there are at least 3 or 4 people that are members here that are going to jump on the Indie Web movement. So... we'll have a nice starter group day 1.
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tantek where is Scranton?
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tantek half expects Loqi to answer.
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cdevroe Pennsylvania. 2.5hrs outside of NYC
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cdevroe Though, I'm going to add myself as "interested" in the next Indie Web Camp for NYC as well.
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bear heck, the next IWC weekend event could be there - I would travel for that
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cdevroe A few of us would make the pilgrimage.
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cdevroe bear: You in philly?
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bear yep
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cdevroe Good. You can bring me a pretzel.
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bear LOL
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cdevroe bear: Let's definitely plan for a IWC here.
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cdevroe I see there is an h-entry validator but is there an h-feed validator anywhere? http://cdevroe.com/blog
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cdevroe found one
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tantek cdevroe - cool! perhaps add it to /h-feed if it wasn't already there?
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gRegorLove What is Barley?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Barley" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Barley&summary=prompted+by+gRegorLove+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-21%2Fline%2F1437498396310
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gRegorLove Barley is http://getbarley.com
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loqi.me created /Barley (+57) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437498396310 and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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cdevroe gRegorLove: An inline editing hosted CMS that I built.
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cdevroe Currently being restructured a bit on the marketing side.
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gRegorLove I was just prompting our friendly bot Loqi so I could create the wiki page. :)
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gRegorLove I was pretty impressed with what I saw from the Barley demo.
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cdevroe gRegorLove: Thank you.
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cdevroe tantek: Is there a "forgot password" link for microformats.org ? I haven't logged in for more than 3 years. ;-)
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cdevroe tantek: I'm like the worst ever, amiright?
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tantek cdevroe: um, maybe? depends if you put an email in your profile or not
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tantek didn't save it in your pw manager / keychain?
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cdevroe No. I'll keep trying. No worries!
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gRegorLove Getting an https error on cdevroe.com, fyi
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cdevroe gRegorLove: ?
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gRegorLove "This server could not prove that it is cdevroe.com; its security certificate is from *.getbarley.com. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection."
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cdevroe Are you trying to access it with https: ?
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cdevroe Or just http?
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Zegnat I got that too. I just clicked the link on your wiki page
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Zegnat who is cdevroe?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Cdevroe.com
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gRegorLove https, link from your wiki page.
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cdevroe oops
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gRegorLove http works fine, of course
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KartikPrabhu cdevroe: " The certificate is only valid for the following names: *.getbarley.com, getbarley.com"
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gRegorLove What is Barley?
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Loqi Barley is a hosted, inline-editing CMS built by Colin Devroe https://indiewebcamp.com/Barley
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gRegorLove There we go.
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cdevroe OK. I think I have h-feed/h-entry figured out on my site. I'll need to do a bit more work, and a push to Barley, to allow for dt-published to be in the correct format.
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cdevroe But I've added that to the next push.
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tantek cdevroe++ awesome!!
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gRegorLove cdevroe++ awesome!
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Loqi cdevroe has 2 karma
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cdevroe holy moly you guys have karma in here? Where do I get my Indie Web sticker? ;-)
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tantek cdevroe, you can also try using your site in reader.kylewm.com and monocle.p3k.io (two modern IndieWeb readers which will detect and subscribe to your h-feed in particular)
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gRegorLove Loqi is practically sentient
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Loqi :)
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cdevroe tantek: Thanks. I'll be sure to debug a bit with those.
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tantek cdevroe: Indie Web Camp and microformats stickers are definitely available and floating around. We can try peer-to-peering them to you :)
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cdevroe tantek: Remember this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/cdevroe/141328183/in/photolist-dukWP-7i8Gn-78KWt-6Nz6X-6o9hR-62CeB-3fRbE-4du3-aTyf-2RxRDt-HcPTJ-91ESK-8x2aU-811Ea-3zPbr-3gG3s-mwMbn-ehp5
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cdevroe What in the heck is that URL? Wow.
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cdevroe search result URL, I guess. Whoa.
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tantek nice
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cdevroe tantek: This morning on my commute I listened to an episode of The Web Ahead that I Huffduffed with you as the guest and thought... "I have to see what he's up to". I went to your site. Saw the 2014 year in review. And jumped in here immediately.
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bltavares hey folks, I'm getting started with the idea web ideas and I have a confusion on multiple domains
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bltavares I have multiple domains and subdomains, how do I link them with indie web auth?
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gRegorLove Welcome, bltavares.
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gRegorLove Here's an FAQ from the wiki on that topic: http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth#What_if_I_have_more_than_one_domain
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kylewm hi bltavares, see if this helps answer your q http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#What_if_I_have_more_than_one_domain
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gRegorLove jinx
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kylewm jinx buy me a Durst
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bltavares gRegorLove: thanks (:
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cdevroe welcome bltavares
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bltavares gRegorLove kylewm: yeah, I've read that so I guess I should have a centralised domain identity
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bltavares cdevroe: thanks (:
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bltavares I have bltavares.com redirecting to blog.bltavares.com so far, since I removed my homepage
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bltavares should I instead have a me.bltavares.com, and not a homepage on bltavares.com? I've seem something about root domain controlling the subdomains
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bltavares but I think on my case I should be fine (it is all me)
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gRegorLove I would recommend using bltavares.com as the identity rather than the subdomain
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cdevroe Just jammed Unmark (my bookmarking tool) full of indie web reading for this week. It is now my second most used hashtag in Unmark. https://www.dropbox.com/s/6a5b3jxh8ygk2r3/Screenshot%202015-07-21%2013.32.50.png?dl=0
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gRegorLove Though I don't think it matters too much for auth. You can always change it in the future.
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bltavares nice. I'm still getting hooked up on the ideas. I would need to play a bit as I use static content for those
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KartikPrabhu cdevroe: here is a long list for you: http://indiewebcamp.com/posts_about_the_indieweb
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cdevroe KartikPrabhu: That is where I'm cherry picking entries from. Thanks. Also grabbing videos from tantek's latest post.
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@benwerd The #indieweb had a fantastic 2014 - and 2015 is shaping up well too. http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623549951612551169)
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@cdevroe Diving head first into #IndieWebCamp. I was pushed over the edge by this entry from @t https://twitter.com/t/status/623430020233580544 (twitter.com/_/status/623550365418569732)
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cdevroe_ Wow, Loqi is very fast.
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cdevroe_ Is it safe to assume that someone has created a public Twitter list with everyone from Indie Web Camp?
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@codebear RT @cdevroe: Diving head first into #IndieWebCamp. I was pushed over the edge by this entry from @t https://twitter.com/t/status/623430020233580544 (twitter.com/_/status/623550830986313728)
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voxpelli cdevroe_: there are a list somewhere with everyones indieweb profiles I think at least
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voxpelli cdevroe_: I'm not added to any such indieweb twitter list at least :)
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cdevroe_ voxpelli: If you find it, let me know. I did some searching and didn't see it.
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cdevroe_ I'm starting my own right herE: https://twitter.com/cdevroe/lists/indiewebcamp/members
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voxpelli cdevroe_: only found https://twitter.com/tarr11/lists/indieweb
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ShaneHudson Not many people on that one
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kylewm https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/lists/indieweb
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cdevroe_ kylewm: Oh good.
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gRegorLove Definitely not everyone on that^
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cdevroe_ I do not mind deleting mine.
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voxpelli wonders if he should pull up his rel-me crawler to crawl it all
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gRegorLove I should go through guest lists and add more.
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cdevroe_ My name has an underscore now? hmmm.
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@lackaff RT @benwerd: The #indieweb had a fantastic 2014 - and 2015 is shaping up well too. http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623551719889338368)
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cdevroe shakes fist at IRC
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gRegorLove I think some people have crawled /irc-people, though I don't know if they did for twitter handles.
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kylewm voxpelli: it'd be awesome to crawl rel-mes from irc-people and see if you can come up with more than gregor's 44
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cdevroe gRegorLove: Good list. Subscribed. Deleted mine. Shared Twitter lists would be nice.
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gRegorLove Twitter list pull requests. :)
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voxpelli kylewm: any way one can get everyones indie-profiles easily from it? the rel-me trace from the wiki seems to be a bit lacking
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cdevroe gRegorLove: Hah. If I come across a username I'll simply mention you with theirs.
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voxpelli kylewm: I guess just parse it from the "User:Example.com" wiki-page path?
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kylewm good question, hmm yes I think that's the way to go, although I think some people have renamed their username
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voxpelli oh, there's actually h-cards with u-url:s on all of them – nice!
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cdevroe So I'm reading this https://indiewebcamp.com/Selfdogfood -- and now I feel like never tweeting again until I update Barley to do IWC notes.
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kylewm haha just noticed that
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cdevroe Also... I have 41,000 tweets to import into Barley. Oh boy.
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bltavares is anyone using github pages to host the blog so I could get some tips?
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kylewm cdevroe: s/it's/its "Follow along as we start over with Barley, get back to it’s roots" on https://getbarley.com/ :) I promise I'm not pedantic about these thigns except when it's in the title/tag line
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voxpelli bltavares: yes!
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gRegorLove cdevroe: Several of us maintain "iches" list on our user pages to keep track of all the things we need to do. Or just because we like long lists to look at. :) Le sigh
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cdevroe kylewm: fixed
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bltavares voxpelli: do you use plugins to send pingbacks?
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kylewm cdevroe++
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gRegorLove Like http://indiewebcamp.com/User:tantek.com#itches
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cdevroe Nice thing about Barley, I just tapped on it and edited it. ;-)
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@kevinmarks “The spirit of “free speech” is put above freedom from harassment, bullying, or shaming.” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/19/this-ruling-could-change-online-free-speech-forever.html?via=mobile&source=indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623553675550568448)
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tantek cdevroe++ for feeling like never tweeting until doing so from his own code :)
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gRegorLove What is Github Pages?
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Loqi GitHub is a specialized content hosting silo for code, issues, comments, and static content that has some aspects of a commons, and through free domain mapping, a content hosting service as well https://indiewebcamp.com/github-pages
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tantek cdevroe take a look at /wikify :)
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voxpelli bltavares: I don't automatically send any pings like WebMentions out yet – I do however receive WebMentions and support Micropub
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snarfed agreed on indie crawling. i'd love to see more work on https://github.com/bear/indie-stats !
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bltavares voxpelli: are those the projects? http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kodfabrik.se
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kylewm is intrigued about "just tapped on it and edited it"
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cdevroe tantek: Thanks for giving me _more_ to do.
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gRegorLove "just taaaap it in. tap-tap it in"
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voxpelli bltavares: yes! feel free to sign up and use the WebMentions endpoint! the Micropub one is still in progress and not open for others yet
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bltavares voxpelli: thanks! I will get some time to read more about those integrations and setup on my blog
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tantek cdevroe - it's meta-to-do - it will help wrangle all the things :)
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cdevroe kylewm: Barley has no forms. No admin. You tap on anything editable in the page, edit it, it saves like Google Docs.
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gRegorLove I thought there were a few people using GH Pages on their site. Not sure where the examples are at a skim of /github-pages
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voxpelli bltavares: the WebMentions one is a simple javascript embed + a link-tag for discovery of it
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cdevroe kylewm: Think Medium but for entire web sites.
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bltavares voxpelli: I've registred on your service already, a few days ago when reseraching, but I didn't sit to finish my setup
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gRegorLove cdevroe: Did Barley have that before Medium was around? I was thinking maybe
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bltavares voxpelli: should I register each subdomain?
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@rrfeeley RT @kevinmarks: “The spirit of “free speech” is put above freedom from harassment, bullying, or shaming.” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/19/this-ruling-could-change-online-free-speech-forever.html?via=mobile&source=indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623554540038701057)
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@jordan_web #Twitter has removed the wallpaper on your home page. Reason, apparently is so ads show up better. Arrogant dicks! Long live the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623554551241510914)
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@ScottyJordan #Twitter has removed the wallpaper on your home page. Reason, apparently is so ads show up better. Arrogant dicks! Long live the #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623554553116409856)
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voxpelli bltavares: oh, hmm, good question – maybe, will check
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cdevroe gRegorLove: We worked on it at nearly the exact same time.
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voxpelli bltavares: yes – each subdomain has to be added to the endpoint
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kylewm "Barley" also fits in well with "escape from the silos" theme :)
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bltavares gRegorLove: I need to read more on the wiki. thanks for the tip
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cdevroe kylewm: Here is a GIF of me editing that it's
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cdevroe https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5443042/editingbarley.gif
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bltavares voxpelli: cool. I guess I will be publishing more on my domain soon
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snarfed kylewm: hah true! clearly barley and granary need to integrate somehow
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@ArezuAghasey Check out the #IndieWebCamp Year in Review by driver of the movement @t. Glad to see there is a major push and momentum for it! (twitter.com/_/status/623555279402078208)
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cdevroe kylewm: It does. But I think if we want to be totally cool about it we should open source the entire application. Which I think we'll end up doing.
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cdevroe kylewm: Unmark, our bookmarking application, is open source.
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kylewm open source is cool, but by no means a requirement for indewebness
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cdevroe snarfed: kylewm: Now I know what you two are referring to. ;-) Barley, Granary. Got it.
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cdevroe Our company's name is Plain. Barley grows in plains. So. You'd think I would have picked up on that quicker.
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ShaneHudson Plains Barley Granary... what are you lot talking about. Leaving the web to become farmers?
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cdevroe ShaneHudson: Hah.
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cdevroe tantek: OK to copy your profile code and repurpose it for my own?
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kylewm ShaneHudson: that comes later if @fraying is any indication
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@ShaneHudson RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623556762872979456)
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ShaneHudson It is incredible how quickly the twitter api works. That pinged in under a second
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snarfed ShaneHudson: https://dev.twitter.com/streaming/overview . not too surprising
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tantek cdevroe: which profile code? and likely yes :)
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cdevroe tantek: user profile on iwc
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tantek cdevroe - indeed - go for it - everything on IWC is CC0 so you can copy/paste as you please.
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@betsythedevine RT @kevinmarks: “The spirit of “free speech” is put above freedom from harassment, bullying, or shaming.” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/19/this-ruling-could-change-online-free-speech-forever.html?via=mobile&source=indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623559634012377088)
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GWG Did I see someone from Scranton?
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gRegorLove Yeah, GWG. cdevroe
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cdevroe who is GWG
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Loqi David Shanske is an Indieweb enthusiast from New York, working on Indieweb WordPress plugin development https://indiewebcamp.com/User:David.shanske.com
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voxpelli kylewm: crawling – this might take a while :P
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GWG cdevroe: I would love to combine Indiewebcamp and the coal mine museum, or Steam town
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cdevroe We should have IWC a mile down in the mines.
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cdevroe Kidding.
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cdevroe GWG: Visit any time! We have lots to do and see here. And you can work here at Coalwork.
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GWG cdevroe: I would imagine the Internet connection is slow there
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GWG cdevroe: I haven't been in a few years.
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GWG But I'm having trouble getting a crowd in New York.
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cdevroe GWG: That seems fixable.
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cdevroe I know many nerds in NYC. Perhaps we can work together.
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GWG cdevroe: If you know any with a venue, I'm looking to try Indiewebcamp NYC again. And build a Homebrew Website Club meeting that is more regular.
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GWG And get bear to return to NYC
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cdevroe GWG: I can likely help with that as well.
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bear yea, I reached out to some of my NYC friends but they didn't respond in time
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cdevroe GWG: Any particular area of NYC preferrable? Brooklyn, Manhattan (lower, upper, midtown?)
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GWG cdevroe: Help will get you thanks, karma, and the promise of a nonalcoholic beverage on me
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bear yea, once the venue is determined, plenty of help for running them
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bear re-lurks
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cdevroe GWG: Where do you want it to be held?
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cdevroe GWG: Also... do you want the HWC meetups to be at a static place or should they move around?
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cdevroe tantek: Wikified my wifibio.
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cdevroe Haha. autocorrected to wifibio
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cdevroe Which should also be a thing.
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GWG cdevroe: Moving around is fine. Just better for building a core group if we can announce in advance where it will be
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cdevroe GWG: Where are you in NYC?
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GWG cdevroe: Queens, but I think a Manhattan venue would attract more.
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gRegorLove Until you have a core group, might be a good idea to keep HWC in one location, if possible.
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cdevroe GWG: Is there wifi on the subway? If so, imagine an HWC on the subway?
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cdevroe How cool would that be?
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gRegorLove Haha
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GWG cdevroe: In select stations
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gRegorLove Then a GPS track of where the meeting started and ended
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cdevroe gRegorLove: I'm telling you... it'd be wicked fun.
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cdevroe Does everyone agree that IWC could use some more Designers?
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cdevroe I'm going to recruit my co-founder, Kyle Ruane, to dip his feet into IWC and maybe he can help us all spruce things up a lot.
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cdevroe http://kyleruane.com -- http://dribbble.com/kyleruane
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gRegorLove On the wiki itself? Yeah. There was some work on that at /2014, though it has some usability issues for some people and I don't think is widely used. See http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/redesign
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gRegorLove I prefer the new theme and use it a lot of the time.
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cdevroe gRegorLove: Not just the wiki. But, yes, this looks very nice.
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cdevroe this is great: https://indiewebcamp.com/File:iwc-cambridge-sway.gif
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GWG cdevroe: Design isn't my strong point
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gRegorLove Unfortunately MediaWiki is a beast, so not much in-depth changes have been made to it in a while.
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cdevroe aaronpk: What did you make this with?
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@_zfisch RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623564364843388928)
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gRegorLove It's on 'the list' to upgrade our MediaWiki. Requires setting up a test instance to make sure all the indieweb plugins work with it. I've thought about it, but haven't gotten much past that :)
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KartikPrabhu cdevroe: apart from the design of the wiki, it would be good to have more designers to inform other things like UX/UI and visual design of different things
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gRegorLove designers++ in general
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@schmitz_bkmks Ad tech is killing the online experience | Felix Salmon | Media | The Guardian >> http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/19/ad-tech-online-experience-facebook-apple-news?CMP=indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623561873590484992)
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Loqi designers has 2 karma
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gRegorLove What is design?
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Loqi Design is a catchall term used to refer to everything that affects users about a page/site including: https://indiewebcamp.com/design
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cdevroe KartikPrabhu: That is more my point, yes.
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cdevroe KartikPrabhu: A good example is how I tried to sign up for Slack and totally b0rked myself.
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gRegorLove aaronpk should be able to help with the /Slack bridge
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aaronpk haha yeah the slack bridge signup form is plain HTML
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aaronpk sometimes I put my designer hat on, and sometimes I leave it at home
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cdevroe aaronpk: By design I basically mean ux. But yet, it could be gussied up a bit.
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cdevroe My main issue is that I did't do the process correctly.
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cdevroe We might be able to make it easier.
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cdevroe So I can't use Slack because it has the wrong email address or something.
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cdevroe I haven't been able to sign in.
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aaronpk can you try it again?
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cdevroe I think Slack has my account. But that it is wrong?
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aaronpk I thought I made the ux flow pretty straightforward even if it doesn't look pretty
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cdevroe aaronpk: You'd be surprised how thick-fingered I can be.
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aaronpk it should have dropped you to the slack signup form with your "cdevroe.com@indiewebcamp.com" pre-filled
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aaronpk if that didn't happen, then something went wrong before that
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cdevroe Can you check Slack to see what email address it has for me?
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aaronpk no
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cdevroe oh
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aaronpk at least i don't think so, i can double check
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aaronpk i wish slack just allowed public access
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cdevroe I would think it'd be here: https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/admin#active
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cdevroe aaronpk: It puts me onto the sign up page
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cdevroe with a slash in the email address
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cdevroe cdevroe.com/ rather than cdevroe.com
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cdevroe Perhaps this caused the issue.
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aaronpk ooh weird
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cdevroe http://slack.indiewebcamp.com -- type in colin@cdevroe.com -- then it adds /
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cdevroe "Enter your email address below to forward email from your cdevroe.com/@indiewebcamp.com email address."
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cdevroe So it must be due to my entry on Wiki
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cdevroe Looking into it
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aaronpk refresh http://slack.indiewebcamp.com
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cdevroe aaronpk: no more slash.
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cdevroe awaiting email from Slack
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aaronpk \o/
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GWG I just got invited to join the IndieWeb WordPress Outreach Club on Github
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GWG I should have thought of that
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Loqi definitely
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GWG pfefferle++
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Loqi pfefferle has 13 karma
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GWG Ge definitely deserves more karma than that
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cdevroe aaronpk: so cdevroe.com@indiewebcamp.com should forward to colin@cdevroe.com ?
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aaronpk yep
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aaronpk check your spam folder too
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aaronpk cause my server isn't SPF'd and DKIM'd to send from slack.com so it might think it's spma
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voxpelli kylewm: cdevroe: here's a list of all IndieWeb Twitter accounts I could find while crawling the IRC People list: https://gist.github.com/voxpelli/a1066bfd0da75fb79c06
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voxpelli There's 144 of them – so a bit more than there were on the largest Twitter list :)
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aaronpk wow nice
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cdevroe aaronpk: I sent a test. Never made it through. My domain email runs on Gmail if that makes a difference. Switching to FastMail soon.
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cdevroe voxpelli++
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Loqi voxpelli has 33 karma
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aaronpk can you send me an email to aaronparecki.com@indiewebcamp.com?
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aaronpk mine also forward to gmail
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cdevroe I'm guessing the / record in your DB/config files is mucking it up
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aaronpk got it
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aaronpk i deleted that record already
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aaronpk checks mailserver logs ugh
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cdevroe aaronpk: I'll send you something nice in the mail
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cdevroe Like forward my phone bills or something
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk i see your test email was forwarded to yourself
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aaronpk but gmail won't show it in your inbox because you sent it
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aaronpk so i definitely see a bounce from the first one slack sent, which was due to the slash mixup somehow
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voxpelli (There's over 2500 pages crawled locally now so just ask if you want a list of profiles from another silo)
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cdevroe aaronpk: I can give it one more try if you think it will work.
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cdevroe I can also use a different email address.
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cdevroe But, that may muck up your records?
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aaronpk go for it. shouldn't matter on this end which email it forwards to
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cdevroe aaronpk: If this doesn't work I'll use the pw recovery tool
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cdevroe Password reset doesn't work, naturally, because I never got the email to begin with.
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cdevroe buries head in sand
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aaronpk weird! and I don't see you in the user list on slack's admin
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cdevroe Is there an "invited" list type list?
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cdevroe aaronpk++ for helping me regardless of outcome
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cdevroe tantek++ for everything ever
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cdevroe GWG++ for wanting to come to Scranton
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aaronpk well i can always invite your actual email address
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cdevroe colin@plainmade.com
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aaronpk sent
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cdevroe voxpelli: Did you create this with a script? And is it possible to run it now and then to keep that list up-to-date?
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snarfed voxpelli: cool!!! oh man i wish i could merge your work and https://github.com/bear/indie-stats
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snarfed or nerd snipe you into starting your own implementation of https://snarfed.org/indie-stats :P
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voxpelli cdevroe: Yes, I ran a local copy of my RelSpider project and fed it with a script that parsed the wiki page for URL:s
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voxpelli snarfed: what data does it want to collect there? It may be possible to do something fun
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snarfed check out the snarfed.org post i linked!
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Loqi slack/cdevroe: is now in Slack.
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Loqi slack/cdevroe: aaronpk++
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aaronpk yay
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Loqi :D
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@craigmod "2014 was a breakthrough year for IndieWebCamp and the IndieWeb movement." @t breaks it down: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review#iwc2014-chloe (twitter.com/_/status/623572831520051200)
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Loqi slack/cdevroe: aaronpk: Thanks for your help. I didn’t see the last karma point get counted. But perhaps that only works in IRC.
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aaronpk yeah, some of the Loqi triggers don't work from slack
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk++ for cdevroe
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Loqi aaronpk has 900 karma
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KartikPrabhu 900!
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Loqi slack/cdevroe: Loqi: You and Slackbot need to get coffee together.
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aaronpk omg
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voxpelli snarfed: ah, I see, yeah, that should de doable – I've pretty much downloaded all of the pages already and have the crawler set up to recrawl things every now and then – would just have to get it set up on a more proper server + have it extract that extra data
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snarfed voxpelli: cool!!!
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voxpelli snarfed: open an issue at https://github.com/voxpelli/relspider ?
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@fakebaldur RT @craigmod: "2014 was a breakthrough year for IndieWebCamp and the IndieWeb movement." @t breaks it down: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review#iwc2014-chloe (twitter.com/_/status/623574614149611520)
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snarfed voxpelli: will do
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bear @snarfed @voxpelli I can add you to indie-stats
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snarfed bear: thanks! or even better maybe add meyvn (hotzeplotz)
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bear I just added both of you to it
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voxpelli bear: not sure I would be able to contribute much there, not that used to Python :/
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bear that's fine - even if you file bugs against the code
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snarfed bear: maybe look into the stuff hotzeplotz proposed
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bear what is his github name
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "his github name" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=his+github+name&summary=prompted+by+bear+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-07-21%2Fline%2F1437507958191
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bear ah - I see it
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bear i'll work on getting the code auto-deployed
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@kevinmarks “…the Web is a way to CONNECT KNOWLEDGE, PEOPLE, AND CATS… your job is to get the people and cats online…” http://idlewords.com/talks/web_design_first_100_years.htm #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623580169001807872)
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bear voxpelli - I can run whatever code you need on the indie-stats server
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voxpelli bear: cool, will think about how to approach things
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bear point me to a repo with instructions on what you need to run it
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bear i can set that up and then give you ssh to that environment
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bear snarfed - ugh, apologize to hotzeplotz for me as I did not see his issue for more than a week
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snarfed bear: np! i don't know him, just saw the activity
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bear ah
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bear becoming the manager of the dev team at work has meant for much more work than before
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benwerd_ Noting here too: Known 0.8 is out. This version has IndieAuth and Micropub enabled by default.
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ben_thatmustbeme nice
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ben_thatmustbeme benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 82 karma
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benwerd_ Thank you
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benwerd_ :)
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ben_thatmustbeme micropub by default huh?
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benwerd_ I'm super-proud of this one. Not least because it has the most community contributions.
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ben_thatmustbeme even for multi user sites?
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ben_thatmustbeme i had considered dropping my own and working on known, but with the limited time i have, i think its better served with something i know really well
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@jihaisse @pcouzon #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623584434479042560)
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benwerd_ I also think it's awesome for the community to have lots of different implementations
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@kevinmarks RT @jeena: Next week wednesday: the first "IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Göteborg". Join us to work on your personal website: https://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/623584904933052416)
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@saltyglorypvp RT @jeena: Next week wednesday: the first "IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Göteborg". Join us to work on your personal website: https://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/623585891739693056)
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@tuomasj RT @craigmod: "2014 was a breakthrough year for IndieWebCamp and the IndieWeb movement." @t breaks it down: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review#iwc2014-chloe (twitter.com/_/status/623587417799434241)
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aaronpk indieweb is great because i can tag people in my photos who don't have an instagram account http://aaron.pk/n4cH2
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@tuomasj This #indieweb movement is nice, for me the selling point is "your content is yours" http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/623588264264486912)
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aaronpk i always thought it was silly that instagram doesn't let you add arbitrary text for person-tagging
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kylewm what if you want to tag people that don't have a domain name?
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aaronpk give them a URL on your site?
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aaronpk with an h-card
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tantek aaronpk++ :)
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Loqi aaronpk has 901 karma
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aaronpk omg
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kylewm his karma... it's over 900!
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aaronpk http://meme.loqi.me/4cHxEB2h.jpg
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@lindstorm RT @tuomasj: This #indieweb movement is nice, for me the selling point is "your content is yours" http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/623590247956410368)
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kylewm "give them a url on your site" -- that's what i was thinking too, and why I think I will connect person tags with my nicknames-cache
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ben_thatmustbeme benwerd_: how does the micropub stuff work now for multi-user?
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ben_thatmustbeme if its built in by default now
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kylewm so they'll probably show up as "in this photo: nickname1" which links to "all posts tagging nickname1" with an h-card for them at the top of the index
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aaronpk kylewm: great idea
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aaronpk i will probably do the same
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tantek kylewm: once you have given them a URL on your site, it's no longer a cache though. ;)
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aaronpk "nickname proxy"?
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benwerd_ ben_thatmustbeme: Stickily. It's still designed for the single users. We'll push out multi-user for the next one.
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aaronpk benwerd_: let's talk about that soon
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benwerd_ aaronpk: sounds good
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed, loop me in on that conversation
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benwerd_ Known 0.9 will have a real focus on multi-user sites, so it's timely
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benwerd_ OK
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kylewm tantek: fair point, it's already not really a nickname-cache, e.g https://kylewm.com/contacts/tantek
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bear if the nickname is a way to lookup the h-card canonical url - you can switch it out to any url at any time
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bear and your tags should still work
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aaronpk kylewm: whoa I didn't know you had that!
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@benwerd Web Design: The First 100 Years. Fantastic (and sobering, and hilarious) as always. http://idlewords.com/talks/web_design_first_100_years.htm #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623591647075418113)
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tantek nice
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tantek benwerd++ congrats on shipping Known 0.8!
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Loqi benwerd has 83 karma
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benwerd_ Thanks!
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tantek erinjo++ congrats on shipping Known 0.8!
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Loqi erinjo has 7 karma
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benwerd_ Jeez
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tantek srsly
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benwerd_ erinjo++ for her really high quality work on Known and in the indieweb community
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@merviemilia RT @tuomasj: This #indieweb movement is nice, for me the selling point is "your content is yours" http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/623593327619887104)
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bear erinjo congrats on 0.8
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bear erinjo+_
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bear sighs
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bear erinjo++
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bear benwerd++
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@adactio RT @craigmod: "2014 was a breakthrough year for IndieWebCamp and the IndieWeb movement." @t breaks it down: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review#iwc2014-chloe (twitter.com/_/status/623595015550468096)
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KevinMarks erinjo++
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@ap1978 Known 0.8 released. http://stream.withknown.com/2015/introducing-known-08-named-for-giotto-di-bondone #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/623597348271353857)
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jonnybarnes who is erinjo
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jonnybarnes oh, I was hoping Loqi would give me the homepage
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Loqi who, me?
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jonnybarnes can it do that?
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aaronpk yeah she must not be on /irc-people
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jonnybarnes ahh, kk
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jonnybarnes google tells me erinjo.is
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@matthillco RT @craigmod: "2014 was a breakthrough year for IndieWebCamp and the IndieWeb movement." @t breaks it down: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review#iwc2014-chloe (twitter.com/_/status/623600142248247297)
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@ChrisAldrich #IndieWebCamp Year in Review — This Is A Movement http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (twitter.com/_/status/623600424281440256)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/623582916589719552
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@kevinmarks Hang on #oscon, shouldn't that be "I <? PHP" @oscon https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/623582916589719552/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/623582916589719552)
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@benwerd RT @NCREDINBURGH: Pleased to announce we're hosting #IndieWebCamp in Edinburgh this weekend -> https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (twitter.com/_/status/623600698517667840)
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tantek KevinMarks++ FTW.
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Loqi KevinMarks has 133 karma
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tantek KevinMarks: are you at OSCON?!?
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KevinMarks no, but lots of people I follow are
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KevinMarks rasmus++ for getting the joke
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tantek yes the brief reply thread is pricesless
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@rhiaro RT @NCREDINBURGH: Pleased to announce we're hosting #IndieWebCamp in Edinburgh this weekend -> https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (twitter.com/_/status/623604953081221120)
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@IndieWebCampUK RT @jdaviescoates: hey @IndieWebCampUK who is working on #indieweb stuff in London/ UK? Want them all at @mediareformUK's #MediaDemocracy F… (twitter.com/_/status/623605131586732032)
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@IndieWebCampUK RT @NCREDINBURGH: Pleased to announce we're hosting #IndieWebCamp in Edinburgh this weekend -> https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (twitter.com/_/status/623605203812675584)
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@jarofgreen RT @NCREDINBURGH: Pleased to announce we're hosting #IndieWebCamp in Edinburgh this weekend -> https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh (twitter.com/_/status/623607444523061248)
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gRegorLove I'm thinking of setting up /Persona on my site as an auth step to leave a local comment. It would appear after the webmention form "Have you written a response? Send me a link."
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gRegorLove I realize Persona is JS only, but I don't mind that as a requirement to leave a local comment. People can still comment on FB or Twitter
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gRegorLove Think it should cut out most spam, too. I guess we'll see.
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tantek gRegorLove: will certainly be interesting to see if spammers are bothering with Persona or not!
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gRegorLove Didn't realize that Mozilla dropped FT development of Persona last year.
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tantek it's a community thing now - the fallback services will continue to be maintained for quite some time - too much internal infra now depends on people using those accounts
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gRegorLove http://identity.mozilla.com/post/78873831485/transitioning-persona-to-community-ownership
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gRegorLove Yeah, that's what I gathered.
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gRegorLove I was wondering if that means it's relatively "safe" to run the include.js locally instead of from persona.org
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gRegorLove The FAQ indicates no, but I don't know how old that is / how active community development is
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ti.gt edited /fragmention (+1558) "/* Challenges */ What if the desired fragment isn't text?" (view diff)
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tantek sounds like a new use-case? perhaps for new tech?
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tantek hey aaronpk what JSON pretty printer are you using for pin13.net ?
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gRegorLove Heh, that's some olllld jQuery on pin13. v1.3.2, 2009.
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Loqi [mention] http://boffosocko.com/2015/07/21/boffosocko-com-now-supports-fragmentions/ linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (webmention)
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@ChrisAldrich My personal website now supports #fragmentions http://boffosocko.com/2015/07/21/boffosocko-com-now-supports-fragmentions/#BoffoSocko.com+now+supports+fragmentions #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/623621771191713792)
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doe what would Norbert Weiner do
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KevinMarks he'd build a feedback loop
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@book_tribe • R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http://www.amazon.com/dp/1312708077?tag=7654-20 (twitter.com/_/status/623626513838178304)
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@sasspip RT @book_tribe: • R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/623628701020889089)
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aaronpk !tell tantek this one ;-) https://github.com/aaronpk/mf2-test/blob/master/index.php#L57 but php has a built in one now in the json_encode function
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk Yeah pin13 started in like 2008-2009 and hasn't changed much since
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gRegorLove aaronpk: I don't think this affects pin13 since you're not using location.hash, but just fyi http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-4969
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