#indiewebcamp 2015-07-21

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kylewm
GWG: yeah, understood. i just wasn't sure if you were following the issue on bridgy's github or not
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kylewm
he knows where to find us if he wants help :p
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GWG
kylewm: I saw it. I am happy to troubleshoot.
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GWG
For example, there is a glitch in WordPress prior to the current version that caused replies to default to mentions.
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kylewm
tantek: no attribution for Kartik on that tweet? tsk
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KartikPrabhu
yeah where are my royalties! ;)
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tantek
kylewm: yeah I couldn't make it fit - will do in a reply to self
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: also you did lose the rhyme scheme "find them -- bind them" ;)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: yeah, sacrificed find for the more semantically correct retrieve
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KevinMarks
which also breaks scansion
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KevinMarks
poetry is hard
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tantek
the scansion is close enough KevinMarks thanks to the schwa in spidr
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GWG
kylewm, Semantic Linkbacks doesn't update old Linkbacks. It is an issue.
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KevinMarks
One spider to crawl them all, one bot to curl them, one cache to index all, and in the silos hurl them.
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@t
@t from @kartik_prabhu #indiewebcamp cleverness after rant about Google’s one cache, bot UA str http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-20#t1437423981170 (ttk.me t4cG2)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I decided it was creepier to have the spider *crawl* you than just *find* you.
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tantek
I mean, which sounds worse?
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tantek
KevinMarks, bot to curl is good
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tantek
though I don't get the "hurl" - is there throwing up involved?
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KartikPrabhu
hurl = throw not used much these days
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tantek
ohhh so, *into* the silos hurl them
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KevinMarks
into silos hurl them
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KevinMarks
then it scans again
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tantek
the grammar still feels awkward with that use of hurl
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tantek
like the rhyming is more forced than natural
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tantek
the imagery of things being hurled into a silo is good though
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tantek
being *bound* in a silo sounds even scarier. like a sense of being trapped.
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@heathr
@ftrain looking for your piece today on your site as well but don't see it. Are yr medium posts only for that site?(and if so v curious why)
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aaronpk
weird response
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tantek
not at all, he's been up front about being a paid writer for /Medium
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tantek
(previously even)
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KevinMarks
twitter took away the custom backgrounds (improving their text contrast) but left the UI for them
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aaronpk
my custom background is still there, only on tweet permalinks
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KevinMarks
they kept the banner, not the whole page background
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aaronpk
the background is there but not on my profile page, only on my tweet permalinks
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KevinMarks
hm, oh yes
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KevinMarks
so it's the themese they nuked?
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KevinMarks
and I took my background pic off because ti was glitching badly in chrome
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sparverius
something something hipsterweb gopher://themade.org:70
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tantek
Firefox dropped gopher: support a while ago
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sparverius
http://themade.org:70/ im writing an automated blog post copier from wordpress for it
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sparverius
tantek: i should hope so. there's no reason to include gopher support past 2000
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kylewm
what is gopher-deaths
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sparverius
what is gopher
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GWG
kylewm: I just checked the page source. Version 3.6.1 of WordPress
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kylewm
looks like about 2ish years behind :/
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kylewm
that'll do it
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GWG
I think I should talk pfefferle into bumping the minimum version number for Semantic Linkbacks
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kylewm
GWG++ good detective work
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Loqi
GWG has 109 karma
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GWG
kylewm: I submitted multiple PRs to pfefferle based on features introduced in versions past 4.2 myself.
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kylewm
are older versions necessarily out of date for security reasons too? or might someone run an older Wordpress like they might run Ubuntu 12.04?
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GWG
kylewm: There have been several critical security fixes.
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GWG
kylewm: That's why Automatic Updates were introduced...in WordPress 3.7
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GWG
This person is running 3.6.1
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GWG
Minor releases are pushed automatically. Major releases you have to accept.
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GWG
But it automatically does it.
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GWG
It solved a large amount of security flaws.
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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creatinglake
hello
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gRegorLove
Welcome, creatinglake
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KartikPrabhu
hello creatinglake
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tantek
good evening #indiewebcamp
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bear
were some of the last IWC sessions recorded? I'm trying to get my micropub code caught up with changes
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tantek
bear, some were broadcast but I'm not sure if any were recorded besides the intro / demos, and finishing demos
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GWG
bear: So am I.
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tantek.com
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bear
I really need to setup a test domain for this - having bear.im for everything leads to silly mistakes in my library code
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tantek
good late evening #Indiewebcamp
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snarfed
hey tantek
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KartikPrabhu
good very late evening
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GWG
Good evening
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tantek
I have a long blog post if anyone wants to review
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tantek
it's like http://tantek.com/2015/201/ - except put a b1 on the end
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tantek
p.s. not linking that URL because it will likely break as I will probably prefer to publish tomorrow morning
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tantek
(for better UK / East Coast pickup)
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bret
wow cool t
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KevinMarks
tantek - "inventing distributed marginalia, a feature previously only available in proprietary text editors like Word, Google Docs, or the Medium silo."
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: would be nice if the photos of attendees linked to their homepages wherever possible
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KevinMarks
implies that the silos were distributed; might need rephrasing
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tantek
good point kevinmarks
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: decided better to keep all those links on the indiewebcamp wiki where the community can keep them up to date if possible
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kylewm
bret: yep, x-www-form-encoded
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: fair enough
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tantek
the big image links to that section on the indiewebcamp with all the individual names & links
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KartikPrabhu
yes saw that. also observed same point as KevinMarks
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tantek
KevinMarks: reload :)
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tantek
(i'll keep reading logs while I'm mobile - so keep commenting, thanks!0
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snarfed
looks great, i like it!
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snarfed
the intro in particular is well written and a great lead-in
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snarfed
maybe consider adding a TOC with links?
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snarfed
also i think withknown is just the domain, not the name of the hosted service
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snarfed
otherwise lgtm!
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bret.io
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bret
kylewm: should I be expecting 200?
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bret
http 200 ok?
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tantek
wow a ToC - not sure I've put one of those in a blog post before but this one does seem pretty long
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GWG
tantek: I'm on Part 7 of a series of posts and show no sign of ending.
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tantek
GWG, you mean, as in you're writing them
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GWG
Yes. But, you were mentioning length and I'm wondering about that myself.
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GWG
tantek: I intend to either like or reply to that as soon as it is public, by the way.
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@carlfish
WE LITERALLY COULDN’T THINK OF ANYTHING CUTE TO SAY ABOUT JAVA. #OSCON https://twitter.com/carlfish/status/622932590048075776/photo/1
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@planetmozilla
Tantek Çelik: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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@tinokremer
Interesting roundup of the #indieweb information, events and technical details by @t
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@tinokremer
Interesting roundup of the #indieweb information, events and technical details by @t http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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Loqi
[mention] posted 'Tantek has an excellent review of how the year 2014 was for the IndieWebCamp Movement.' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com (/bearlog/2015/202/indiewebcamp-2014-year-in-review)
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bear
I really need to get my twitter POSSE working :/ -- but first I have to unbreak my micropub :/
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ShaneHudson
Haha :) I'm currently working on V2 of my app for replying to tweets via twitter share button on android. That will help me use it more (once I fix my micropub end point to accept in-reply-to)
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bear
right now i'm getting a test site going so I can test my indieauth login
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@PlanetFeeds
Tantek Çelik: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: Forward We’re more than halfway throug... http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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@ShaneHudson
CSS is so much easier than working out the XML for android but getting there :) Can now add to the list. #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/ShaneHudson/status/623416160550285313/photo/1
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tantek
oops I forgot to change the permalink
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tantek
minor earthquake here in SF
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@t
#IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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@scatteredbrainV
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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@jkphl
thoroughly enjoys and recommends @t's #IndieWebCamp 2014 review — what a nice rise in activity! http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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Jeena
ich glaub ich muss mir den Film mal wieder angucken, das war ja ewigkeiten her
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ShaneHudson
It works! I can now add a name and url to list, then when I click the name on the list it sets it to be my micropub client. So when I share on twitter (or anywhere else), it sends the reply url through to the default client.
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Jeena
oh wrong channel, sory ^^
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ShaneHudson
And changing between them is as simple and keeping the app open and switching to the app and back again :)
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Zegnat
Jeena: how many languages do you speak?
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Zegnat
The German threw me off, ha
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Jeena
which apparently is not enough, when I was in Marocco they asked me: "Do you speak French? - No - Do you speak Spanish? - No - But do you at least speak Arabic? - No :-("
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Jeena
So I would like to learn spanish but I don't have anyone to talk to in spanish so it is quite difficult
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Zegnat
Yeah, Marocco is very french oriented, surprised me when I first heard about that!
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@t
@brucel thanks for the quick BTW! Darn relative links. Fixed (on home page and permalink) http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review (ttk.me t4cH1)
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@kevinbeynon
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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@voxpelli
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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mapkyca
man... I need to learn some more languages, but they never seem to stick ;)
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Jeena
does anyone tag people via micropub?
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kodfabrik.se
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voxpelli
Jeena: aaronpk does through OwnYourGram now I think?
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Zegnat
https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/07/15/1/indiewebcamp - “Posted using ownyourgram.com”, tagged people including Jeena
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Jeena
oha I see
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Jeena
"u-category h-card" hm ok
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Jeena
hm but it is the wrong URL! I guess it is the wrong url on instagram
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Jeena
ok fixed
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Jeena
so I guess he sends a webmention to me but how would I know that the intent was to tell me that he tagged me?
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Jeena
!tell aaronpk Is there a reason why you can't merge this? https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/pull/19 can I help?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
Jeena, also /mobilepub by ben_thatmustbeme let's you tag people via micropub
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tantek
s/let's/lets
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: Jeena, also /mobilepub by ben_thatmustbeme lets you tag people via micropub
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Zegnat
I think you have to parse the u-category-s on your end to see that you are tagged, Jeena. See http://indiewebcamp.com/person-tagging
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tantek
when you verify the webmention, if you see that the link to you is on a u-category inside an h-entry, that means you have been person-tagged in that h-entry
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Jeena
ok, I'm confused about the naming "category" for tag
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tantek
Jeena - it's a re-use of what "category" is used for in practice
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tantek
"category" being the term from vCard, iCalendar, etc. for free form category lables (AKA tags)
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Jeena
I don't categorize people
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tantek
no it's the post being categorized as being about that person :)
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Zegnat
tantek, I forget, but does the IndieWeb have a name for “tag” other than “category”?
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tantek
the u-category is a property of the containing h-entry
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Jeena
it sounds like "for historic reasons" :p
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tantek
Zegnat - not AFAIK, unless you're talking about tag-of posts
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tantek
Jeena - yeah there's other standards as well that use "category" to mean the same thing
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tantek
since there was that pre-existing reasonable consistency, it made more sense to re-use than make a new term
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tantek
because a new term would get into all sorts of useless debates of is this a category or a tag?
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Jeena
hehe yeah
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tantek
(seriously, we still have them sometimes)
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Zegnat
Curse WordPress for having both categories and tags
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tantek
Zegnat: yeah WordPress was/is in error ther
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tantek.com
edited /person-tag (+595) "How to parse - be explicit, per IRC prompting from Jeena, also Ben used mobilepub to person-tag to pass SWAT0"
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tantek.com
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Zegnat
tantek++ thanks for clearing that up!
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Loqi
tantek has 223 karma
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tantek.com
edited /person-tag (+331) "/* Tool Support */ mobilepub, ownyourgram"
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tantek
np Zegnat!
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voxpelli
Jeena: sounded on aaronpk yesterday that he was positive about the SQLite addition at least (got up for discussion when I set up OwnYourGram locally and had some SQL problems)
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voxpelli
In other news: My Micropub workflow for the iOS Editorial app now parses YAML Front Matter to allow for custom Micropub properties: http://www.editorial-workflows.com/workflow/5833229495959552/tO76Z7cIfTU
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voxpelli
And if anyone missed it the other day, I made a screencast showing how that workflow works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7hUR7flTAY
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voxpelli
(I guess not that many others has been crazy enough yet to buy such an expensive app, but its one of the few that allows custom code on iOS so it's a bit magical in that regard)
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voxpelli
!tell aaronpk Regarding posting bookmarks over Micropub, shouldn't it be "bookmark-of" rather than "bookmark"? http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#New_Bookmark
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Aodunaderasheed
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Zegnat
Jeena: are you still planning to do a HWC next week?
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Jeena
Zegnat, yes
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Jeena
Have you been to the Steampunk bar yet?
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Jeena
http://atsteampunkbar.se/ I was thinking to have it there but I'm not sure if it isn't to faar away from the central station
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Jeena
it's a 15 min walk
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Jeena
and they have nice beers
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Zegnat
I have not been there, it looks fancy.
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Zegnat
I don’t get down to Gbg a lot, as I study in the opposite direction: Karlstad
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Zegnat
Currently looking if there is any way for me to get back home. The last train seems to depart 19:15, I’d miss the last hour or so
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Jeena
oh that early? where do you live again?
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Zegnat
Åmål
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Zegnat
It’s SJ’s summer schedule . . .
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Jeena
but perhaps we can start earlier
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Zegnat
I’ll leave that up to the organiser ;)
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Zegnat
You should add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc Even if it is just, like the NYC one, a “TBD” stub.
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Jeena
or I culd just make it official
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Zegnat
Even better!
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Jeena
hehe weird that the other locations don't mention that they're in the US
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Zegnat
Just means you do not have to mention that it’s in Sweden ;)
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Jeena
I remember people being worried for their relatives about the war in Georgia
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jeena.net
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Jeena
but my website still doesn't support events grml
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Zegnat
I might just launch my new blogging system from HWC, will see!
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@haverholm
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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Loqi
[mention] Jeena posted 'Homebrew Website Club 29th of July 2015; 5:30pm — 7:30pm UTC -07:00 [Steampunk Bar](http://fatheadsportland.com/headquarters.html) [Kung...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-07-29-homebrew-website-club (/notes/386)
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jeena.net
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Jeena
Zegnat, now you can RSVP ;)
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Zegnat
I’ll book my traintickets later today, then I can’t go back on it anymore ;)
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@jeena
Next week thursday: the first "IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Göteborg". Join us to work on your personal website: https://jeena.net/notes/386
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@jeena
Next week wednesday: the first "IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Göteborg". Join us to work on your personal website: https://jeena.net/notes/386
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Zegnat
Oh man, all the Loqi spam
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Loqi
who, me?
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Jeena
jesus every mistake I make somewhere on the internet is documented here
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@danielmattsson
RT @jeena: Next week wednesday: the first "IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Göteborg". Join us to work on your personal website: https://t.co…
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@adactioLinks
IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement - Tantek http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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@schnarfed
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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@pfefferle
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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@cjk101010
Are you staying in Göteborg? Attend the Homebrew Website Club! https://jeena.net/notes/386 #indieweb
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@jeena
RT @cjk101010: Are you staying in Göteborg? Attend the Homebrew Website Club! https://jeena.net/notes/386 #indieweb
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KartikPrabhu
morning! Loqi messages?
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@Petersell
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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KartikPrabhu
on how to "convert" Wordpress tags to be more like Wordpress categories https://css-tricks.com/how-and-why-to-convert-wordpress-tags-from-flat-to-hierarchical/
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KartikPrabhu
over-organisation me thinks
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@fakebaldur
“#IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement” http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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@johannesdachsel
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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@craigmod
Apple News channel backend — frustrating. The RSS feed works and … well, I guess me must write more better? https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/623481438281814016/photo/1
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snarfed
funny. twitter's "who to follow" recommendations for tantek's account are all other people with one letter usernames: https://snarfed.org/one_letterers.png
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: lol
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: it seems hfeed2atom is mostly feature-complete for my purposes. If you use it let me know if more things are needed
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: congrats!
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KartikPrabhu
!tell kylewm: it seems hfeed2atom is mostly feature-complete for my purposes. If you use it let me know if more things are needed
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed
i don't personally need it right now, but i'll definitely try it
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: cool
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snarfed
next step: service!
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell Jeena, tantek to be clear about person tagging, mobilepub does not specifically support person tagging, but postly sees any category starting with http:// or https:// as a potential tag (checks for h-card). so really ANY micropub client that lets you enter a category will work
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: hmm yes. will get one that after adding some docs and readme
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: snarfed: hmm yes. will get on that after adding some docs and readme
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snarfed
cool! looks like 'hfeed2atom' is available on app engine :P
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Jeena
oh I need it to make atom feeds of aarons and tanteks websites so they show up in my reader
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Loqi
Jeena: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 31 seconds ago: to be clear about person tagging, mobilepub does not specifically support person tagging, but postly sees any category starting with http:// or https:// as a potential tag (checks for h-card). so really ANY micropub client that lets you enter a category will work http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437487325822
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: errr how?
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: hfeed2atom.appspot.com isn't taken
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Jeena
I see ben_thatmustbeme, ok that sounds good
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: oh I see. I haven't worked with appspot before, will see how hard it is to setup
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Jeena
oh and it is not PHP, neat, then I will be able to run it on my server :p
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: feel free to ask me any q's
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Jeena
KartikPrabhu, what would be nice is some instructions on how to run it in the readme for people who aren't that familiar with how you do stuff with python
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KartikPrabhu
Jeena: yes. that is my next thing to do :)
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KartikPrabhu
will let you know once that is up
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Jeena
great
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Jeena
I am watching the git repo now anyway ;)
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: looking at appspot "getting started" now. Will try it out after updaitng readme and such. thanks
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KartikPrabhu
now thinks if he wants to be a service-runner. Seems like a lot of work from seeing snarfed and kylewm :P
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: heh. you already are! your site is a servic
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snarfed
i bet this would be way less work than that
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KartikPrabhu
alright! I guess I'll give it a go :)
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snarfed
and bridgy is way way bigger, it won't be like that :P
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snarfed
great!
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: feel free to use e.g. https://github.com/snarfed/instagram-atom/ as a minimal app engine example
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
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KartikPrabhu
cool! thanks
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voxpelli
KartikPrabhu: haven't felt that much of a burden from running my WebMention endpoint :)
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KartikPrabhu
voxpelli: you mean on appspot?
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voxpelli
KartikPrabhu: I run it on Heroku, but shouldn't be that different, the service running effort should be pretty similar
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KartikPrabhu
voxpelli: cool! good to know. I have not used either of those before but here goes nothing
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@craigmod
Oh, the web is such a broken mess. Researching perfectly formed ATOM feeds — half the links are broken. URLs abandoned. A rotting house.
(twtr.io/11sBuDjKjzj)
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KartikPrabhu
anyone have a real world example of a nice Atom feed? https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/623508933366415360
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@craigmod
@kartik_prabhu Thanks! I peeked at that but was looking for more "real world" examples.
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Zegnat
tantek does validated atom, I believe?
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tantek
I'm not sure I'd say my Atom feed was "nice"
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Loqi
tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 1 hour, 5 minutes ago: to be clear about person tagging, mobilepub does not specifically support person tagging, but postly sees any category starting with http:// or https:// as a potential tag (checks for h-card). so really ANY micropub client that lets you enter a category will work http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437487325822
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tantek
though I did recently double the number of entries in it to see if I could get away with the traffic
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snarfed
holy shit, facebook api v2.4 takes a hatchet to a bunch of stuff we use: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/apps/changelog#v2_4_deprecations
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snarfed
read_stream, shares, event invitees, event likes, /me/home, all dead
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tantek
if anything my Atom feed is a bit bleeding edge (still), in that I *both* use some obscure XHTML features (e.g. in the entry title), and I support ActivityStreams / Atom with post types of article, note, and the like verb.
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tantek
snarfed :( :( :(
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snarfed
fb api is an abusive relationship we keep going back to
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tantek
so they really are walking the same path as Twitter and slowly cutting off the API oxygen to apps
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snarfed
still reading. hoping i just misunderstand
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ben_thatmustbeme
so yeah, i'll be using FB even less
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cdevroe
Well, hello everyone. Nice place you have here. :-)
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tantek
welcome cdevroe!!
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Zegnat
Well, at least for FB it makes more sense to go that way than for Twitter. FB has never grown because of third party devs, basically all average FB users will be using FB’s own apps
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KartikPrabhu
hi cdevroe
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cdevroe
@tantek Hello young man. Just read the 2014 review. Ready to help make 2015 be even better. :-)
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tantek
cdevroe - appreciate you being here :)
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cdevroe
Sorry, just used an @ symbol. Totally been using Slack too long already.
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tantek
snarfed, I wonder if FB is even bothering with bizdev access to those deprecated APIs
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tantek
cdevroe: there are some Slack fans and users here too - we have a bridge
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cdevroe
Ohryl?
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snarfed
tantek: afaik usually no, private vs deprecating are orthogonal
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snarfed
read_stream has been one exception
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cdevroe
I will look for that.
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tantek
also, we have reasonably pretty IRC logs that are kind of Slack-like, but you know, open, with microformats, etc. : https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today
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snarfed
Zegnat: are you kidding re fb growth? zynga etc were primary drivers of fb growth for *years*
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snarfed
apologizes, didn't meant that as hostile as it sounded :P
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Zegnat
no offence taken :p
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Zegnat
I feel like FB games have always been less dependent on the *social* APIs
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Zegnat
Less than the indieweb is
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cdevroe.com
created /User:Cdevroe.com (+126) "updated a little"
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snarfed
Zegnat: sure! that i agree with. that's different from whether they drove fb user growth though
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snarfed
anyway, no matter
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tantek
cdevroe: also if you add an image in your entry in /irc-people it will show up in the logs :)
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tantek
(using "/" before a term in IRC also gets auto-linked to the IndieWebCamp wiki page in the logs)
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cdevroe
tantek: Thanks for the information. I’m looking into setting up Slack since I have that open all day already. May or may not have done it right. A few hoops to jump through.
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cdevroe
Sorry. Can someone with access see if I accidentally signed up with cdevroe@indiewebcamp.com rather than cdevroe.com@indiewebcamp.com — I may have done that incorrectly?
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tantek
hmm - is Loqi not picking up the plural IndieWebCamps? https://twitter.com/t/status/623508062066876416
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@t
In 2014 over a hundred people participated in 2x IndieWebCamps as the previous year, and improved their sites: http://tantek.com/2015/202/t4/over-hundred-participated-indiewebcamps
(twtr.io/11sCMe_HkfG)
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tantek
darn missed KartikPrabhu
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tantek
that @craigmod link is harsh on Atom (but just confirms what a lot of us have learned about such /side-files ) : https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/623506782267305984
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@craigmod
Oh, the web is such a broken mess. Researching perfectly formed ATOM feeds — half the links are broken. URLs abandoned. A rotting house.
(twtr.io/11sBuDjKjzj)
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cdevroe
KartikParbhu: Just FYI, your site doesn’t point to Atom/RSS feeds at all. :(
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tantek
I think he's still testing them (they're automatically generated from the /h-feed on his /homepage )
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@kartik_prabhu
@craigmod hard to find those. used that as a guide to generate my Atom from homepage (https://kartikprabhu.com/atom) more: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/craigmod-atom2
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aaronparecki.com
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cdevroe
tantek: I meant the rel=“alternate” HTML that allows feed readers to find any available feeds for a site. His site does not have that HTML that I see.
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tantek
cdevroe: right, I figured he's testing them out before enabling automatic discovery that way.
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tantek
He just got it working a bit over a week ago.
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cdevroe
tantek: I think I messed up my Slack “bridge”. Can you see if there is an account with “cdevroe” in it that is wrong?
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cdevroe
Really sorry.
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tantek
hmm - did you follow the instructions at indiewebcamp.com/slack ?
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tantek
what step are you getting stuck?
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cdevroe
I think I got confused as to what my email address was supposed to be.
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cdevroe
I think I made it cdevroe@ rather than cdevroe.com@ ? Maybe?
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tantek
clearly we need to improve the instructions then :)
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tantek
there he is, welcome back KartikPrabhu
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cdevroe
tantek: Or I went too fast and have a lot of muscle memory to use just cdevroe@ everywhere.
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tantek
try again with cdevroe.com@ ?
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cdevroe
OK. Will do.
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KartikPrabhu
oh hey! was I looked for
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cdevroe
tantek: No email from Slack. I must have really messed it up.
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: cdevroe: of course my site links to atom feeds down below in the footer
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cdevroe
walks into closet, shuts door
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Loqi
slack/tantek: cdevroe, this is what it looks like when people from slack show up.
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KartikPrabhu
it has rel="alternate feed" :)
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KartikPrabhu
also this twitter thread has a nice reply-to-reply grouping that might be of interest: https://twitter.com/craigmod/status/623506782267305984
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cdevroe
KartikPrabhu: Do feed readers find them in the footer?
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@craigmod
Oh, the web is such a broken mess. Researching perfectly formed ATOM feeds — half the links are broken. URLs abandoned. A rotting house.
(twtr.io/11sBuDjKjzj)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: interesting. hey cdevroe what Atom reader/discoverer app were you using that failed to find rel="alternate feed"
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cdevroe
tantek: Should I be embarrassed to say Feedly?
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: cdevroe: it is possible that feed readers only look at <link> in the head
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KartikPrabhu
cdevroe: I use Feedly and it does not find them
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: likely worth a bug report to Feedly
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tantek
what is Feedly
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Loqi
feedly is a server-based feed aggregator and reader https://indiewebcamp.com/feedly
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aaronpk
good morning
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Loqi
aaronpk: Jeena left you a message 4 hours, 45 minutes ago: Is there a reason why you can't merge this? https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/pull/19 can I help? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437476161290
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Loqi
aaronpk: voxpelli left you a message 4 hours, 20 minutes ago: Regarding posting bookmarks over Micropub, shouldn't it be "bookmark-of" rather than "bookmark"? http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#New_Bookmark http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437477654335
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: file a bug with them and link to it from https://indiewebcamp.com/feedly#Issues
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aaronpk
caught up on logs
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aaronpk
voxpelli: yes! fixed it
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KartikPrabhu
cdevroe: if you put the actual atom links in then it does work :P which is how I subscribe to my own feed for testing purposes
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aaronpk
quill sends the wrong value so i'll have to fix that
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cdevroe
KartikPrabhu: That is what I ended up doing. Thanks to tantek linking to the “note” you wrote Craig which had the Atom feed URL in it. Coincidence.
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voxpelli
aaronpk: nice! and I got bookmark posting from Instapaper through Editorial to Micropub fully working now :)
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aaronpk
Jeena: sorry, didnt get to that yesterday. i'm on the road so only at my computer periodically
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aaronpk
voxpelli: nice!
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KartikPrabhu
cdevroe: :) maybe but I brought up Craig Mod's Atom troubles here so...
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tantek.com
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aaronpk
voxpelli: with "bookmark-of" i hope?
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voxpelli
aaronpk: yes!
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cdevroe
What is everyone using for IRC? Is Colloquy still the Mac app of choice for this? (Boy, does it look and feel dated)
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aaronpk
cdevroe: i prefer limechat on osx
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cdevroe
aaronpk: Thanks. I was going to use Slack but it looks like I hamfisted it.
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voxpelli
aaronpk: but I expose it as YAML front matter in the editor so I can easily change to eg repost and such manually
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Zegnat
I am using Limechat, but have heard great things about Textual, which I believe is a Limechat fork
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tantek
everyone using for IRC is /irc#Clients
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: given the reply here: https://plus.google.com/110760594609453531817/posts/2J3wWDsJFnU I doubt that Feedly is willing to entertain bugs like that. More likely they'll tell me to put <link> in the <head>
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aaronpk
cdevroe: hmm... it should have walked you through it
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cdevroe
aaronpk: My hand needs extra firm holding, it seems.
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aaronpk
you enter your domain, sign in, enter your forwarding address, and then pre-fills your iwc email on the slack page
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ShaneHudson
I use Textual. Used to use irssi on server but now use Textual with ZNC
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: nah, file the bug and document it on the /Feedly page - if they want to not support the Atom spec, that's their perogative but it doesn't help the feed standards any (nor their claim of supporting Atom)
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tantek
also their conflation of HTML and XHTML misses the point as well
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Zegnat
ShaneHudson, is Textual worth buying?
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: sure will do, during lunch time or something
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ShaneHudson
Zegnat: I forgot I paid for it tbh, it is usually on in the background and never had a bug or wished for a feature
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voxpelli
cdevroe: I use IRCCloud, I'm actually paying for it monthly to be able to idle in the proper channels
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ShaneHudson
voxpelli: Set up ZNC on your server? That's what I did, now I'm idle everywhere all the time haha
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Zegnat
I had a bug with Limechat when setting up multiserver ZNC, but I don’t know if I should pay for an IRC client
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Loqi
hehe
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ShaneHudson
Hmm I do only have ZNC running for freenode.
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KartikPrabhu
oh my. Feedly bug filing is on a G+ "community"
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voxpelli
ShaneHudson: I would need a server for that, I currently have no generic servers ;)
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Zegnat
I am running it on both efnet and freenode, and apparently Limechat stores server settings indexed by server address. And ofcourse my ZNC server address is the same for both.
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ShaneHudson
Just had a quite well known UK agency ask me to make a full single page flickr app in angular or backbone for free to prove I am a developer... no thank you!
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voxpelli
People should use Feedbin rather than Feedly, the entire source code of Feedbin is open so one can contribute features even though it's a paid for service
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cdevroe
Thanks for the suggestions. Giving LimeChat a whirl.
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ShaneHudson
voxpelli: Oh that's good, and if they close down then there can be mirrors, or at least self host
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snarfed
voxpelli++ for no generic servers
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snarfed
sysadmin--
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Loqi
voxpelli has 32 karma
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Loqi
sysadmin has -2 karma
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voxpelli
ShaneHudson: not sure it has an open license, but the code is open for inspection
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snarfed
sharedhosting++
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Loqi
sharedhosting has 2 karma
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Zegnat
has ZNC running on sharedhosting
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KartikPrabhu
anyone know a good FF extension to screenshot entire pages?
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: latest FF can do it on its own I hear!
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KartikPrabhu
looks around
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ShaneHudson
Yeah it can, there is a screenshot command
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voxpelli
+1 on aaronpk
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Zegnat
The whole Feedbin backend is MIT licensed btw
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voxpelli
Zegnat: cool!
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Zegnat
ShaneHudson, if you can ever test it, this is the LimeChat bug that I hope Textual has fixed: https://github.com/psychs/limechat/issues/248
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ShaneHudson
Sure, will try to take a look at some point. Not tonight though, I'm exhuasted already haha
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snarfed
Zegnat etc: agreed, open source for services is great. newsblur is another great paid + open source feed reader
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KartikPrabhu
found it! had to enable in dev tools settings
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cdevroe
aaronpk: What is the pane on the bottom of Limechat for?
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voxpelli
snarfed: I guess TextMate is a similar example, open source but a paid application. Very nice concept
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Zegnat
cdevroe: raw IRC server log, I believe
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aaronpk
cdevroe: it shows aggregated chat of all other channels
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Zegnat
I just hide it
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tantek
what is Feedbin?
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Loqi
Feedbin is a traditional feed reader similar to Google Reader, but offers a much improved and simplified interface compared to what Google Reader had https://indiewebcamp.com/feedbin
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snarfed
clearly we should start charging for bridgy
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snarfed
(kidding!!! :P)
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voxpelli
snarfed: Wouldn't be a bad idea imho
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Zegnat
snarfed: the only problem is that, while I respect them open-sourcing it, I am still more likely to look for a new provider if they ever go down than I am to start selfhosting it :(
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voxpelli
snarfed: as long as it would be some kind of freemium setup
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tantek
Zegnat - looks like Feedbin is open to h-feed support - perhaps help out here? https://github.com/feedbin/feedbin/issues/132
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KartikPrabhu
what is reply-thread
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Loqi
A reply chain (AKA reply thread) is a list of replies, and replies to those replies, displayed under the original post https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-thread
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snarfed
Zegnat: sure! the point isn't that all users would end up running their own instance. you just need *one* to take over
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voxpelli
Zegnat: main point of open code in that case is not that you should be able to host it yourself I think, but to inspect the code and maybe augment the code
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Zegnat
tantek: much like kylewm’s response there, I build in Node or PHP and don’t do Ruby :(
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tantek
poor Ruby, so neglected
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aaronpk
the ruby parser is okay
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kartikprabhu.com
uploaded /File:twitter-reply-cluster.jpg "twitter clusters reply-to-reply"
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tantek
aaronpk: it hasn't kept up :/
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voxpelli
I thought we had many indie ruby devs?
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aaronpk
the problem isn't using the parser, the problem is using the data
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ShaneHudson
aaronpk: Has anyone yet looked into making quill (or another client) work with service workers? The final part of improving my POSSE workflow is offline mode for the client
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aaronpk
and handling messy feeds
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ShaneHudson
I've got replying to tweets working nicely now :)
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aaronpk
for example there are like 4 different ways you have to look for feed entries after parsing the page
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tantek
aaronpk really? is that something we can document better and/or provide library support for?
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voxpelli
With a worker setup someone like Feedbin should be able to use parsers from other languages
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snarfed
ShaneHudson: mmm offline mobile web indieweb client: https://snarfed.org/posting-to-the-indieweb-from-your-phone
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kartikprabhu.com
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voxpelli
Especially if one decides to use eg. Amazon Lambda (which is kind of amazing)
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aaronpk
i think it'd be a great thing for a library to support, the problem is we haven't defined clean APIs that one could even follow to build a library
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tantek
aaronpk - perhaps contribute your current thoughts to /h-feed ?
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aaronpk
also consuming feeds often involves additional HTTP requests, and as soon as you start requiring more requests you can't put it into a library as easily because people have different preferences on how to make http requests
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voxpelli
The experience I had at Bloglovin at parsing page metadata at scale using Amazon Lambda was very impressive (and that parser is open source now)
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ShaneHudson
snarfed: Looks like a challenge for me! Not today though. I think a simple version would be relatively easy. Just store until has connection then send. Jake Archibald has written loads about how to do similar
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snarfed
ShaneHudson: totally! go for it!
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tantek
tommorris: this reminded me of your rant: https://twitter.com/mhoye/status/623315971948687360
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@mhoye
@nomadium "Try our app! It's exactly like our webpage except its not always bugging you to try our app."
(twtr.io/11r3jW5v22f)
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voxpelli
snarfed: speaking of no generic servers, seen that Amazon Lambda gives you 3.2 million execution seconds per month for free? And up to 100 parallel executions?
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aaronpk
wow i might have to give that a shot
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snarfed
voxpelli: cool! i expect that's for a year, like the rest of amazon's free quota, not indefinitely
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voxpelli
snarfed: I believe it's indefinite
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snarfed
and functionality free tiers for other paas task processing services (e.g. google's) are similar
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snarfed
still, i love that they exist
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aaronpk
"The Lambda free tier does not automatically expire at the end of your 12 month AWS Free Tier term, but is available to both existing and new AWS customers indefinitely"
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aaronpk
either node.js or java.. hmm
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voxpelli
aaronpk: good thing the node mf2 stuff is good ;)
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tantek
indeed!
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tantek
glennjones++ for node mf2 stuff!
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Loqi
glennjones has 8 karma
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voxpelli
aaronpk: built https://github.com/bloglovin/metadataparser on the same Cheerio base as glennjones used for the mf2 library – a good Lambda reference I hope
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ShaneHudson
Cheerio is really good. I used it for my web crawling spell checker :) (very much in pre alpha!)
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aaronpk
oh no twitter broke my "like" bookmarklet
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aaronpk
"...because it violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "script-src 'unsafe-inline'..."
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aaronpk
i was injecting quill's "like" code into the page
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tantek
guess you'll have to use iframes
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aaronpk
or just redirect like i do for bookmarks
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voxpelli
Bookmarklets are generally pretty dead :/
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aaronpk
it'll just take a split second longer
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aaronpk
voxpelli: !! no way!
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aaronpk
my bookmarklet for posting bookmarks is my favorite. i use it every day!
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voxpelli
aaronpk: haven't been able to use Pinboards on so many pages for the last year due to CSP:s
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voxpelli
need to rely on browser extensions instead
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aaronpk
i'm struggling with this because it's going to involve a lot of duplicating functionality between my php and ruby libraries
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aaronpk
specifically the part that turns webmentions into notification text, which I recently added to my site
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snarfed
aaronpk: easy solution, just let me do it. i won't struggle with that :P
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aaronpk
i wonder if i should just let webmention.io do it for my site too, by having my site forward webmentions to it
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snarfed
no hurry. if i do get back into this stuff, i'll probably fix https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/44 first
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snarfed
(but that'll be quick)
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aaronpk
hm yeah i think that makes a lot of sense actually.
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aaronpk
also means i'll be relying on it more than for just IRC notifications so i'll be faster to fix bugs and make improvements :)
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gRegorLove
Morning, indiewebcamp
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snarfed
aaronpk: lol sorry to nerd snipe you
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snarfed
isn't sorry
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Jeena
ah aaronpk nothing which I can help you with then ;)
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kylewm
so I understand--clustering mentions should ideally be done by Loqi, but a lot of the logic that we think of as Loqi is actually in webmention.io?
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Loqi
kylewm: KartikPrabhu left you a message 2 hours, 42 minutes ago: it seems hfeed2atom is mostly feature-complete for my purposes. If you use it let me know if more things are needed http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437487269639
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Loqi
is done
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cdevroe
If I'm using DF Style links on my blog would I use u-url for _my_ entry or for _their_ entry?
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cdevroe
(referring to h-entry)
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tigo.rhiaro.co.uk
edited /2015/Edinburgh/Guest_List (+181) "/* Remote Participants */"
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rhiaro
^^ tantek, aaronpk
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aaronpk
kylewm: yes, all the Webmention stuff Loqi does is actually Webmention.io
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aaronpk
By the time it gets to Loqi it's just a string of text to say in IRC
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kylewm
cdevroe: adactio uses u-url on *his* site's permalink https://adactio.com/links/
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KartikPrabhu
cdevroe: u-url is used to indicate the url of whatever h-entry you are marking up
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gRegorLove
Hey, cdevroe. Welcome. You sent me a viddler shirt many moons ago. :)
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tantek
rhiaro: remote participant? Tigo is not participating "in-person"?
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cdevroe
gRegorLove: What color?
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cdevroe
gRegorLove: Awesome. I kept my light green colored one. We only gave those out to people who pushed code. ;-) Thanks for welcoming me.
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cdevroe
KartikPrabhu kylewm: OK. That is what I will do then.
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cdevroe
Though, on my permalink things may get weird. I look to see how Jeremy does it.
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aaronpk
Tehe yay rhiaro!
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bear
hey cdevroe, welcome
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bear
(you also sent me a viddler shirt many moons ago - but the non-code version :)
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cdevroe
bear: hey hey hey! Looooong time man.
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bear
seriously long time - glad to see you around these parts
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cdevroe
I seriously feel like this channel is a high school reunion for me.
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cdevroe
bear: Glad to be here. Just getting things set up.
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cdevroe
First, getting my site all indie-ified.
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cdevroe
Then, I'll push updates to Barley so that all sites on the platform follow the rules.
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bear
always a good first step
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cdevroe
tantek: I will also be looking to add an meet up to the wiki for here in Scranton. I own a coworking space and there are at least 3 or 4 people that are members here that are going to jump on the Indie Web movement. So... we'll have a nice starter group day 1.
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tantek
where is Scranton?
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tantek
half expects Loqi to answer.
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cdevroe
Pennsylvania. 2.5hrs outside of NYC
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cdevroe
Though, I'm going to add myself as "interested" in the next Indie Web Camp for NYC as well.
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bear
heck, the next IWC weekend event could be there - I would travel for that
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cdevroe
A few of us would make the pilgrimage.
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cdevroe
bear: You in philly?
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cdevroe
Good. You can bring me a pretzel.
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cdevroe
bear: Let's definitely plan for a IWC here.
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cdevroe
I see there is an h-entry validator but is there an h-feed validator anywhere? http://cdevroe.com/blog
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cdevroe
found one
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tantek
cdevroe - cool! perhaps add it to /h-feed if it wasn't already there?
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gRegorLove
What is Barley?
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loqi.me
created /Barley (+57) "prompted by gRegorLove https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-07-21/line/1437498396310 and dfn added by gRegorLove"
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cdevroe
gRegorLove: An inline editing hosted CMS that I built.
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cdevroe
Currently being restructured a bit on the marketing side.
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gRegorLove
I was just prompting our friendly bot Loqi so I could create the wiki page. :)
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gRegorLove
I was pretty impressed with what I saw from the Barley demo.
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cdevroe
gRegorLove: Thank you.
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cdevroe
tantek: Is there a "forgot password" link for microformats.org ? I haven't logged in for more than 3 years. ;-)
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cdevroe
tantek: I'm like the worst ever, amiright?
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tantek
cdevroe: um, maybe? depends if you put an email in your profile or not
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tantek
didn't save it in your pw manager / keychain?
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cdevroe
No. I'll keep trying. No worries!
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gRegorLove
Getting an https error on cdevroe.com, fyi
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cdevroe
gRegorLove: ?
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gRegorLove
"This server could not prove that it is cdevroe.com; its security certificate is from *.getbarley.com. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection."
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cdevroe
Are you trying to access it with https: ?
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cdevroe
Or just http?
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Zegnat
I got that too. I just clicked the link on your wiki page
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Zegnat
who is cdevroe?
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gRegorLove
https, link from your wiki page.
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gRegorLove
http works fine, of course
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KartikPrabhu
cdevroe: " The certificate is only valid for the following names: *.getbarley.com, getbarley.com"
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cdevroe.com
edited /User:Cdevroe.com (-1) "removed S"
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gregorlove.com
edited /Barley (+136) "expand dfn"
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gRegorLove
What is Barley?
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Loqi
Barley is a hosted, inline-editing CMS built by Colin Devroe https://indiewebcamp.com/Barley
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gRegorLove
There we go.
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cdevroe
OK. I think I have h-feed/h-entry figured out on my site. I'll need to do a bit more work, and a push to Barley, to allow for dt-published to be in the correct format.
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cdevroe
But I've added that to the next push.
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tantek
cdevroe++ awesome!!
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Loqi
cdevroe has 1 karma
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gRegorLove
cdevroe++ awesome!
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Loqi
cdevroe has 2 karma
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cdevroe
holy moly you guys have karma in here? Where do I get my Indie Web sticker? ;-)
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tantek
cdevroe, you can also try using your site in reader.kylewm.com and monocle.p3k.io (two modern IndieWeb readers which will detect and subscribe to your h-feed in particular)
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gRegorLove
Loqi is practically sentient
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cdevroe
tantek: Thanks. I'll be sure to debug a bit with those.
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tantek
cdevroe: Indie Web Camp and microformats stickers are definitely available and floating around. We can try peer-to-peering them to you :)
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cdevroe
What in the heck is that URL? Wow.
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cdevroe
search result URL, I guess. Whoa.
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cdevroe
tantek: This morning on my commute I listened to an episode of The Web Ahead that I Huffduffed with you as the guest and thought... "I have to see what he's up to". I went to your site. Saw the 2014 year in review. And jumped in here immediately.
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bltavares
hey folks, I'm getting started with the idea web ideas and I have a confusion on multiple domains
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bltavares
I have multiple domains and subdomains, how do I link them with indie web auth?
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gRegorLove
Welcome, bltavares.
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kylewm
jinx buy me a Durst
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bltavares
gRegorLove: thanks (:
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cdevroe
welcome bltavares
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bltavares
gRegorLove kylewm: yeah, I've read that so I guess I should have a centralised domain identity
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bltavares
cdevroe: thanks (:
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bltavares
I have bltavares.com redirecting to blog.bltavares.com so far, since I removed my homepage
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bltavares
should I instead have a me.bltavares.com, and not a homepage on bltavares.com? I've seem something about root domain controlling the subdomains
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bltavares
but I think on my case I should be fine (it is all me)
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gRegorLove
I would recommend using bltavares.com as the identity rather than the subdomain
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cdevroe
Just jammed Unmark (my bookmarking tool) full of indie web reading for this week. It is now my second most used hashtag in Unmark. https://www.dropbox.com/s/6a5b3jxh8ygk2r3/Screenshot%202015-07-21%2013.32.50.png?dl=0
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gRegorLove
Though I don't think it matters too much for auth. You can always change it in the future.
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bltavares
nice. I'm still getting hooked up on the ideas. I would need to play a bit as I use static content for those
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cdevroe
KartikPrabhu: That is where I'm cherry picking entries from. Thanks. Also grabbing videos from tantek's latest post.
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@benwerd
The #indieweb had a fantastic 2014 - and 2015 is shaping up well too. http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
(twtr.io/11sTKVsKaKV)
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@cdevroe
Diving head first into #IndieWebCamp. I was pushed over the edge by this entry from @t https://twitter.com/t/status/623430020233580544
(twtr.io/11sTUN1oBaY)
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cdevroe_
Wow, Loqi is very fast.
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Loqi
grins profusely
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cdevroe_
Is it safe to assume that someone has created a public Twitter list with everyone from Indie Web Camp?
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@codebear
RT @cdevroe: Diving head first into #IndieWebCamp. I was pushed over the edge by this entry from @t https://twitter.com/t/status/623430020233580544
(twtr.io/11sTdLkEQvU)
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voxpelli
cdevroe_: there are a list somewhere with everyones indieweb profiles I think at least
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voxpelli
cdevroe_: I'm not added to any such indieweb twitter list at least :)
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cdevroe_
voxpelli: If you find it, let me know. I did some searching and didn't see it.
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ShaneHudson
Not many people on that one
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cdevroe_
kylewm: Oh good.
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gRegorLove
Definitely not everyone on that^
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cdevroe_
I do not mind deleting mine.
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voxpelli
wonders if he should pull up his rel-me crawler to crawl it all
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gRegorLove
I should go through guest lists and add more.
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cdevroe_
My name has an underscore now? hmmm.
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@lackaff
RT @benwerd: The #indieweb had a fantastic 2014 - and 2015 is shaping up well too. http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
(twtr.io/11sTxPtSBm8)
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cdevroe
shakes fist at IRC
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gRegorLove
I think some people have crawled /irc-people, though I don't know if they did for twitter handles.
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kylewm
voxpelli: it'd be awesome to crawl rel-mes from irc-people and see if you can come up with more than gregor's 44
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cdevroe
gRegorLove: Good list. Subscribed. Deleted mine. Shared Twitter lists would be nice.
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gRegorLove
adds cdevroe. "45"
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gRegorLove
Twitter list pull requests. :)
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voxpelli
kylewm: any way one can get everyones indie-profiles easily from it? the rel-me trace from the wiki seems to be a bit lacking
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cdevroe
gRegorLove: Hah. If I come across a username I'll simply mention you with theirs.
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voxpelli
kylewm: I guess just parse it from the "User:Example.com" wiki-page path?
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kylewm
good question, hmm yes I think that's the way to go, although I think some people have renamed their username
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voxpelli
oh, there's actually h-cards with u-url:s on all of them – nice!
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cdevroe
So I'm reading this https://indiewebcamp.com/Selfdogfood -- and now I feel like never tweeting again until I update Barley to do IWC notes.
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kylewm
haha just noticed that
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cdevroe
Also... I have 41,000 tweets to import into Barley. Oh boy.
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bltavares
is anyone using github pages to host the blog so I could get some tips?
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kylewm
cdevroe: s/it's/its "Follow along as we start over with Barley, get back to it’s roots" on https://getbarley.com/ :) I promise I'm not pedantic about these thigns except when it's in the title/tag line
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voxpelli
bltavares: yes!
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: Several of us maintain "iches" list on our user pages to keep track of all the things we need to do. Or just because we like long lists to look at. :) Le sigh
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cdevroe
kylewm: fixed
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bltavares
voxpelli: do you use plugins to send pingbacks?
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kylewm
cdevroe++
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cdevroe
Nice thing about Barley, I just tapped on it and edited it. ;-)
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Loqi
cdevroe has 3 karma
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tantek
cdevroe++ for feeling like never tweeting until doing so from his own code :)
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gRegorLove
What is Github Pages?
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Loqi
cdevroe has 4 karma
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Loqi
GitHub is a specialized content hosting silo for code, issues, comments, and static content that has some aspects of a commons, and through free domain mapping, a content hosting service as well https://indiewebcamp.com/github-pages
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tantek
cdevroe take a look at /wikify :)
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voxpelli
bltavares: I don't automatically send any pings like WebMentions out yet – I do however receive WebMentions and support Micropub
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snarfed
agreed on indie crawling. i'd love to see more work on https://github.com/bear/indie-stats !
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bltavares
voxpelli: are those the projects? http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Kodfabrik.se
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kylewm
is intrigued about "just tapped on it and edited it"
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cdevroe
tantek: Thanks for giving me _more_ to do.
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gRegorLove
"just taaaap it in. tap-tap it in"
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voxpelli
bltavares: yes! feel free to sign up and use the WebMentions endpoint! the Micropub one is still in progress and not open for others yet
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bltavares
voxpelli: thanks! I will get some time to read more about those integrations and setup on my blog
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tantek
cdevroe - it's meta-to-do - it will help wrangle all the things :)
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cdevroe
kylewm: Barley has no forms. No admin. You tap on anything editable in the page, edit it, it saves like Google Docs.
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gRegorLove
I thought there were a few people using GH Pages on their site. Not sure where the examples are at a skim of /github-pages
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voxpelli
bltavares: the WebMentions one is a simple javascript embed + a link-tag for discovery of it
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cdevroe
kylewm: Think Medium but for entire web sites.
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bltavares
voxpelli: I've registred on your service already, a few days ago when reseraching, but I didn't sit to finish my setup
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: Did Barley have that before Medium was around? I was thinking maybe
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bltavares
voxpelli: should I register each subdomain?
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@jordan_web
#Twitter has removed the wallpaper on your home page. Reason, apparently is so ads show up better. Arrogant dicks! Long live the #indieweb
(twtr.io/11sUy51y6Mu)
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@ScottyJordan
#Twitter has removed the wallpaper on your home page. Reason, apparently is so ads show up better. Arrogant dicks! Long live the #indieweb
(twtr.io/11sUy7SdBcb)
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voxpelli
bltavares: oh, hmm, good question – maybe, will check
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cdevroe
gRegorLove: We worked on it at nearly the exact same time.
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voxpelli
bltavares: yes – each subdomain has to be added to the endpoint
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kylewm
"Barley" also fits in well with "escape from the silos" theme :)
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bltavares
gRegorLove: I need to read more on the wiki. thanks for the tip
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cdevroe
kylewm: Here is a GIF of me editing that it's
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bltavares
voxpelli: cool. I guess I will be publishing more on my domain soon
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snarfed
kylewm: hah true! clearly barley and granary need to integrate somehow
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@ArezuAghasey
Check out the #IndieWebCamp Year in Review by driver of the movement @t. Glad to see there is a major push and momentum for it!
(twtr.io/11sVDgTBqbo)
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cdevroe
kylewm: It does. But I think if we want to be totally cool about it we should open source the entire application. Which I think we'll end up doing.
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cdevroe
kylewm: Unmark, our bookmarking application, is open source.
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kylewm
open source is cool, but by no means a requirement for indewebness
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cdevroe
snarfed: kylewm: Now I know what you two are referring to. ;-) Barley, Granary. Got it.
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cdevroe
Our company's name is Plain. Barley grows in plains. So. You'd think I would have picked up on that quicker.
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ShaneHudson
Plains Barley Granary... what are you lot talking about. Leaving the web to become farmers?
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cdevroe
ShaneHudson: Hah.
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cdevroe
tantek: OK to copy your profile code and repurpose it for my own?
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kylewm
ShaneHudson: that comes later if @fraying is any indication
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@ShaneHudson
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
(twtr.io/11sVkVCYfxb)
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ShaneHudson
It is incredible how quickly the twitter api works. That pinged in under a second
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snarfed
ShaneHudson: https://dev.twitter.com/streaming/overview . not too surprising
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tantek
cdevroe: which profile code? and likely yes :)
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cdevroe
tantek: user profile on iwc
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tantek
cdevroe - indeed - go for it - everything on IWC is CC0 so you can copy/paste as you please.
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GWG
Did I see someone from Scranton?
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gRegorLove
Yeah, GWG. cdevroe
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cdevroe
who is GWG
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Loqi
David Shanske is an Indieweb enthusiast from New York, working on Indieweb WordPress plugin development https://indiewebcamp.com/User:David.shanske.com
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voxpelli
kylewm: crawling – this might take a while :P
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GWG
cdevroe: I would love to combine Indiewebcamp and the coal mine museum, or Steam town
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cdevroe
We should have IWC a mile down in the mines.
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cdevroe
Kidding.
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cdevroe
GWG: Visit any time! We have lots to do and see here. And you can work here at Coalwork.
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GWG
cdevroe: I would imagine the Internet connection is slow there
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GWG
cdevroe: I haven't been in a few years.
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GWG
But I'm having trouble getting a crowd in New York.
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cdevroe
GWG: That seems fixable.
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cdevroe
I know many nerds in NYC. Perhaps we can work together.
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GWG
cdevroe: If you know any with a venue, I'm looking to try Indiewebcamp NYC again. And build a Homebrew Website Club meeting that is more regular.
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GWG
And get bear to return to NYC
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cdevroe
GWG: I can likely help with that as well.
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bear
yea, I reached out to some of my NYC friends but they didn't respond in time
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cdevroe
GWG: Any particular area of NYC preferrable? Brooklyn, Manhattan (lower, upper, midtown?)
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GWG
cdevroe: Help will get you thanks, karma, and the promise of a nonalcoholic beverage on me
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bear
yea, once the venue is determined, plenty of help for running them
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bear
re-lurks
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cdevroe
GWG: Where do you want it to be held?
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cdevroe
GWG: Also... do you want the HWC meetups to be at a static place or should they move around?
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cdevroe.com
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cdevroe
tantek: Wikified my wifibio.
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cdevroe
Haha. autocorrected to wifibio
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cdevroe
Which should also be a thing.
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GWG
cdevroe: Moving around is fine. Just better for building a core group if we can announce in advance where it will be
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cdevroe
GWG: Where are you in NYC?
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GWG
cdevroe: Queens, but I think a Manhattan venue would attract more.
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gRegorLove
Until you have a core group, might be a good idea to keep HWC in one location, if possible.
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cdevroe
GWG: Is there wifi on the subway? If so, imagine an HWC on the subway?
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cdevroe
How cool would that be?
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GWG
cdevroe: In select stations
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gRegorLove
Then a GPS track of where the meeting started and ended
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cdevroe
gRegorLove: I'm telling you... it'd be wicked fun.
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cdevroe
Does everyone agree that IWC could use some more Designers?
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cdevroe
I'm going to recruit my co-founder, Kyle Ruane, to dip his feet into IWC and maybe he can help us all spruce things up a lot.
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gRegorLove
On the wiki itself? Yeah. There was some work on that at /2014, though it has some usability issues for some people and I don't think is widely used. See http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/redesign
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gRegorLove
I prefer the new theme and use it a lot of the time.
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cdevroe
gRegorLove: Not just the wiki. But, yes, this looks very nice.
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GWG
cdevroe: Design isn't my strong point
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gRegorLove
Unfortunately MediaWiki is a beast, so not much in-depth changes have been made to it in a while.
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cdevroe
aaronpk: What did you make this with?
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@_zfisch
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp 2014 Year in Review — This Is A Movement: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review
(twtr.io/11sYURQL828)
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gRegorLove
It's on 'the list' to upgrade our MediaWiki. Requires setting up a test instance to make sure all the indieweb plugins work with it. I've thought about it, but haven't gotten much past that :)
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KartikPrabhu
cdevroe: apart from the design of the wiki, it would be good to have more designers to inform other things like UX/UI and visual design of different things
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gRegorLove
designers++ in general
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Loqi
designers has 2 karma
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gRegorLove
What is design?
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Loqi
Design is a catchall term used to refer to everything that affects users about a page/site including: https://indiewebcamp.com/design
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cdevroe
KartikPrabhu: That is more my point, yes.
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cdevroe
KartikPrabhu: A good example is how I tried to sign up for Slack and totally b0rked myself.
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gRegorLove
aaronpk should be able to help with the /Slack bridge
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aaronpk
haha yeah the slack bridge signup form is plain HTML
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aaronpk
sometimes I put my designer hat on, and sometimes I leave it at home
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cdevroe
aaronpk: By design I basically mean ux. But yet, it could be gussied up a bit.
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cdevroe
My main issue is that I did't do the process correctly.
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cdevroe
We might be able to make it easier.
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cdevroe
So I can't use Slack because it has the wrong email address or something.
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cdevroe
I haven't been able to sign in.
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aaronpk
can you try it again?
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cdevroe
I think Slack has my account. But that it is wrong?
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aaronpk
I thought I made the ux flow pretty straightforward even if it doesn't look pretty
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cdevroe
aaronpk: You'd be surprised how thick-fingered I can be.
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aaronpk
it should have dropped you to the slack signup form with your "cdevroe.com@indiewebcamp.com" pre-filled
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aaronpk
if that didn't happen, then something went wrong before that
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cdevroe
Can you check Slack to see what email address it has for me?
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aaronpk
at least i don't think so, i can double check
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aaronpk
i wish slack just allowed public access
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cdevroe
aaronpk: It puts me onto the sign up page
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cdevroe
with a slash in the email address
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cdevroe
cdevroe.com/ rather than cdevroe.com
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cdevroe
Perhaps this caused the issue.
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aaronpk
ooh weird
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cdevroe
http://slack.indiewebcamp.com -- type in colin@cdevroe.com -- then it adds /
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cdevroe
"Enter your email address below to forward email from your cdevroe.com/@indiewebcamp.com email address."
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cdevroe
So it must be due to my entry on Wiki
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cdevroe
Looking into it
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cdevroe
aaronpk: no more slash.
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cdevroe
awaiting email from Slack
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GWG
I just got invited to join the IndieWeb WordPress Outreach Club on Github
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GWG
I should have thought of that
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Loqi
definitely
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GWG
pfefferle++
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Loqi
pfefferle has 13 karma
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GWG
Ge definitely deserves more karma than that
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cdevroe
aaronpk: so cdevroe.com@indiewebcamp.com should forward to colin@cdevroe.com ?
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aaronpk
check your spam folder too
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aaronpk
cause my server isn't SPF'd and DKIM'd to send from slack.com so it might think it's spma
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voxpelli
kylewm: cdevroe: here's a list of all IndieWeb Twitter accounts I could find while crawling the IRC People list: https://gist.github.com/voxpelli/a1066bfd0da75fb79c06
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voxpelli
There's 144 of them – so a bit more than there were on the largest Twitter list :)
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aaronpk
wow nice
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cdevroe
aaronpk: I sent a test. Never made it through. My domain email runs on Gmail if that makes a difference. Switching to FastMail soon.
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cdevroe
voxpelli++
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Loqi
voxpelli has 33 karma
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aaronpk
can you send me an email to aaronparecki.com@indiewebcamp.com?
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aaronpk
mine also forward to gmail
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cdevroe
I'm guessing the / record in your DB/config files is mucking it up
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aaronpk
got it
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aaronpk
i deleted that record already
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aaronpk
checks mailserver logs ugh
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cdevroe
aaronpk: I'll send you something nice in the mail
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cdevroe
Like forward my phone bills or something
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aaronpk
i see your test email was forwarded to yourself
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aaronpk
but gmail won't show it in your inbox because you sent it
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aaronpk
so i definitely see a bounce from the first one slack sent, which was due to the slash mixup somehow
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voxpelli
(There's over 2500 pages crawled locally now so just ask if you want a list of profiles from another silo)
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cdevroe
aaronpk: I can give it one more try if you think it will work.
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cdevroe
I can also use a different email address.
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cdevroe
But, that may muck up your records?
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aaronpk
go for it. shouldn't matter on this end which email it forwards to
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cdevroe
aaronpk: If this doesn't work I'll use the pw recovery tool
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cdevroe
Password reset doesn't work, naturally, because I never got the email to begin with.
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cdevroe
buries head in sand
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aaronpk
weird! and I don't see you in the user list on slack's admin
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cdevroe
Is there an "invited" list type list?
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cdevroe
aaronpk++ for helping me regardless of outcome
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Loqi
aaronpk has 899 karma
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cdevroe
tantek++ for everything ever
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Loqi
tantek has 224 karma
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cdevroe
GWG++ for wanting to come to Scranton
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Loqi
GWG has 110 karma
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aaronpk
well i can always invite your actual email address
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cdevroe
colin@plainmade.com
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cdevroe
voxpelli: Did you create this with a script? And is it possible to run it now and then to keep that list up-to-date?
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snarfed
voxpelli: cool!!! oh man i wish i could merge your work and https://github.com/bear/indie-stats
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snarfed
or nerd snipe you into starting your own implementation of https://snarfed.org/indie-stats :P
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voxpelli
cdevroe: Yes, I ran a local copy of my RelSpider project and fed it with a script that parsed the wiki page for URL:s
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voxpelli
snarfed: what data does it want to collect there? It may be possible to do something fun
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snarfed
check out the snarfed.org post i linked!
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Loqi
slack/cdevroe: is now in Slack.
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Loqi
slack/cdevroe: aaronpk++
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@craigmod
"2014 was a breakthrough year for IndieWebCamp and the IndieWeb movement." @t breaks it down: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review#iwc2014-chloe
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Loqi
slack/cdevroe: aaronpk: Thanks for your help. I didn’t see the last karma point get counted. But perhaps that only works in IRC.
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aaronpk
yeah, some of the Loqi triggers don't work from slack
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk++ for cdevroe
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Loqi
aaronpk has 900 karma
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Loqi
slack/cdevroe: Loqi: You and Slackbot need to get coffee together.
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voxpelli
snarfed: ah, I see, yeah, that should de doable – I've pretty much downloaded all of the pages already and have the crawler set up to recrawl things every now and then – would just have to get it set up on a more proper server + have it extract that extra data
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snarfed
voxpelli: cool!!!
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@fakebaldur
RT @craigmod: "2014 was a breakthrough year for IndieWebCamp and the IndieWeb movement." @t breaks it down: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review#iwc2014-chloe
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snarfed
voxpelli: will do
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bear
@snarfed @voxpelli I can add you to indie-stats
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snarfed
bear: thanks! or even better maybe add meyvn (hotzeplotz)
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bear
I just added both of you to it
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voxpelli
bear: not sure I would be able to contribute much there, not that used to Python :/
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bear
that's fine - even if you file bugs against the code
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snarfed
bear: maybe look into the stuff hotzeplotz proposed
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bear
what is his github name
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bear
ah - I see it
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bear
i'll work on getting the code auto-deployed
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@kevinmarks
“…the Web is a way to CONNECT KNOWLEDGE, PEOPLE, AND CATS… your job is to get the people and cats online…” http://idlewords.com/talks/web_design_first_100_years.htm #indieweb
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bear
voxpelli - I can run whatever code you need on the indie-stats server
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voxpelli
bear: cool, will think about how to approach things
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bear
point me to a repo with instructions on what you need to run it
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bear
i can set that up and then give you ssh to that environment
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bear
snarfed - ugh, apologize to hotzeplotz for me as I did not see his issue for more than a week
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snarfed
bear: np! i don't know him, just saw the activity
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bear
becoming the manager of the dev team at work has meant for much more work than before
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benwerd_
Noting here too: Known 0.8 is out. This version has IndieAuth and Micropub enabled by default.
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Loqi
benwerd has 82 karma
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benwerd_
Thank you
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ben_thatmustbeme
micropub by default huh?
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benwerd_
I'm super-proud of this one. Not least because it has the most community contributions.
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ben_thatmustbeme
even for multi user sites?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i had considered dropping my own and working on known, but with the limited time i have, i think its better served with something i know really well
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benwerd_
I also think it's awesome for the community to have lots of different implementations
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@kevinmarks
RT @jeena: Next week wednesday: the first "IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Göteborg". Join us to work on your personal website: https://t.co…
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@saltyglorypvp
RT @jeena: Next week wednesday: the first "IndieWeb Homebrew Website Club Göteborg". Join us to work on your personal website: https://t.co…
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@tuomasj
RT @craigmod: "2014 was a breakthrough year for IndieWebCamp and the IndieWeb movement." @t breaks it down: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review#iwc2014-chloe
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aaronpk
indieweb is great because i can tag people in my photos who don't have an instagram account http://aaron.pk/n4cH2
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@tuomasj
This #indieweb movement is nice, for me the selling point is "your content is yours" http://indiewebcamp.com/
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aaronpk
i always thought it was silly that instagram doesn't let you add arbitrary text for person-tagging
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kylewm
what if you want to tag people that don't have a domain name?
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aaronpk
give them a URL on your site?
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aaronpk
with an h-card
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tantek
aaronpk++ :)
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Loqi
aaronpk has 901 karma
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kylewm
his karma... it's over 900!
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@lindstorm
RT @tuomasj: This #indieweb movement is nice, for me the selling point is "your content is yours" http://indiewebcamp.com/
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kylewm
"give them a url on your site" -- that's what i was thinking too, and why I think I will connect person tags with my nicknames-cache
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ben_thatmustbeme
benwerd_: how does the micropub stuff work now for multi-user?
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ben_thatmustbeme
if its built in by default now
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kylewm
so they'll probably show up as "in this photo: nickname1" which links to "all posts tagging nickname1" with an h-card for them at the top of the index
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aaronpk
kylewm: great idea
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aaronpk
i will probably do the same
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tantek
kylewm: once you have given them a URL on your site, it's no longer a cache though. ;)
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aaronpk
"nickname proxy"?
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benwerd_
ben_thatmustbeme: Stickily. It's still designed for the single users. We'll push out multi-user for the next one.
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aaronpk
benwerd_: let's talk about that soon
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benwerd_
aaronpk: sounds good
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ben_thatmustbeme
indeed, loop me in on that conversation
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benwerd_
Known 0.9 will have a real focus on multi-user sites, so it's timely
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kylewm
tantek: fair point, it's already not really a nickname-cache, e.g https://kylewm.com/contacts/tantek
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bear
if the nickname is a way to lookup the h-card canonical url - you can switch it out to any url at any time
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bear
and your tags should still work
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aaronpk
kylewm: whoa I didn't know you had that!
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@benwerd
Web Design: The First 100 Years. Fantastic (and sobering, and hilarious) as always. http://idlewords.com/talks/web_design_first_100_years.htm #indieweb
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+533) "/* Use Cases */"
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tantek
benwerd++ congrats on shipping Known 0.8!
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Loqi
benwerd has 83 karma
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benwerd_
Thanks!
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tantek
erinjo++ congrats on shipping Known 0.8!
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Loqi
erinjo has 7 karma
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tantek
srsly
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benwerd_
erinjo++ for her really high quality work on Known and in the indieweb community
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Loqi
erinjo has 8 karma
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@merviemilia
RT @tuomasj: This #indieweb movement is nice, for me the selling point is "your content is yours" http://indiewebcamp.com/
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bear
erinjo congrats on 0.8
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bear
erinjo+_
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bear
sighs
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bear
erinjo++
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Loqi
erinjo has 9 karma
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bear
benwerd++
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Loqi
benwerd has 84 karma
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@adactio
RT @craigmod: "2014 was a breakthrough year for IndieWebCamp and the IndieWeb movement." @t breaks it down: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review#iwc2014-chloe
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KevinMarks
erinjo++
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Loqi
erinjo has 10 karma
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jonnybarnes
who is erinjo
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jonnybarnes
oh, I was hoping Loqi would give me the homepage
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Loqi
who, me?
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jonnybarnes
can it do that?
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aaronpk
yeah she must not be on /irc-people
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jonnybarnes
google tells me erinjo.is
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martymcgui.re
edited /IRC_People (+84) "add myself (martymcgui.re) to irc-users"
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@matthillco
RT @craigmod: "2014 was a breakthrough year for IndieWebCamp and the IndieWeb movement." @t breaks it down: http://tantek.com/2015/201/b1/indiewebcamp-2014-year-review#iwc2014-chloe
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@benwerd
RT @NCREDINBURGH: Pleased to announce we're hosting #IndieWebCamp in Edinburgh this weekend -> https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh
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tantek
KevinMarks++ FTW.
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Loqi
KevinMarks has 133 karma
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tantek
KevinMarks: are you at OSCON?!?
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KevinMarks
no, but lots of people I follow are
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KevinMarks
rasmus++ for getting the joke
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Loqi
rasmus has 1 karma
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tantek
yes the brief reply thread is pricesless
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@rhiaro
RT @NCREDINBURGH: Pleased to announce we're hosting #IndieWebCamp in Edinburgh this weekend -> https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh
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@IndieWebCampUK
RT @jdaviescoates: hey @IndieWebCampUK who is working on #indieweb stuff in London/ UK? Want them all at @mediareformUK's #MediaDemocracy F…
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@IndieWebCampUK
RT @NCREDINBURGH: Pleased to announce we're hosting #IndieWebCamp in Edinburgh this weekend -> https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh
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@jarofgreen
RT @NCREDINBURGH: Pleased to announce we're hosting #IndieWebCamp in Edinburgh this weekend -> https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Edinburgh
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gRegorLove
I'm thinking of setting up /Persona on my site as an auth step to leave a local comment. It would appear after the webmention form "Have you written a response? Send me a link."
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gRegorLove
I realize Persona is JS only, but I don't mind that as a requirement to leave a local comment. People can still comment on FB or Twitter
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gRegorLove
Think it should cut out most spam, too. I guess we'll see.
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tantek
gRegorLove: will certainly be interesting to see if spammers are bothering with Persona or not!
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gRegorLove
Didn't realize that Mozilla dropped FT development of Persona last year.
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tantek
it's a community thing now - the fallback services will continue to be maintained for quite some time - too much internal infra now depends on people using those accounts
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gRegorLove
Yeah, that's what I gathered.
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gRegorLove
I was wondering if that means it's relatively "safe" to run the include.js locally instead of from persona.org
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gRegorLove
The FAQ indicates no, but I don't know how old that is / how active community development is
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loqi.me
created /real-world (+17) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek"
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ti.gt
edited /fragmention (+1558) "/* Challenges */ What if the desired fragment isn't text?"
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tantek
sounds like a new use-case? perhaps for new tech?
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tantek
hey aaronpk what JSON pretty printer are you using for pin13.net ?
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gRegorLove
Heh, that's some olllld jQuery on pin13. v1.3.2, 2009.
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doe
what would Norbert Weiner do
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KevinMarks
he'd build a feedback loop
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@book_tribe
• R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http://www.amazon.com/dp/1312708077?tag=7654-20
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@sasspip
RT @book_tribe: • R. O. Akande: #poetrycollection love pain rejection melancholy selfactualization hope dreams aspirations indieauth http:/…
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aaronpk
!tell tantek this one ;-) https://github.com/aaronpk/mf2-test/blob/master/index.php#L57 but php has a built in one now in the json_encode function
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk
Yeah pin13 started in like 2008-2009 and hasn't changed much since
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: I don't think this affects pin13 since you're not using location.hash, but just fyi http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-4969
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