#indiewebcamp 2015-08-01

2015-08-01 UTC
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@thelibstyles Run your servers & make your own design schemes, be a creator. #makeityourown #indieweb https://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/627291342641561600)
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tantek When did FB change RSVP "No" to "Can't Go"?
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aaronpk whoa!
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aaronpk hadn't seen that yet!
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tantek ok so recently then'
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tantek maybe in the last week?
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aaronpk i'm not a very good data point, I don't go on facebook often
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tantek huh, having difficulty deciding where to document this
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ben_thatmustbeme have to say, https://ben.thatmustbe.me/activity super userful for me
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tantek whether /rsvp /event or /webaction
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tantek or /Facebook
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ben_thatmustbeme rsvp and or event
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tantek or http://microformats.org/wiki/rsvp-examples#Facebook
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tantek I think I need to expand webactions - this is a hole
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tantek because those are buttons you might put on your indie event
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tantek and if you have a FB POSSE copy, perhaps a fallback webaction to do so on FB
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, need something to write about for my 100 words for tonight
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tantek (if that's even possible)
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tantek how about why do you want to support /repost posts on your site?
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tantek since you brought that up earlier
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tantek like what's your motivation?
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ben_thatmustbeme the motivation is more of i want to support EVERYTHING
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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tantek uh hmm.
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tantek should be careful what he documents as part of EVERYTHING then.
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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ben_thatmustbeme not literally everything
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ben_thatmustbeme seriously, though, I can easily put in 100 words on that
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tantek like why repost are the next most important post type for you to support on your site
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tantek vs. say, indie events, or indie rsvps (or do you already support those?), or indie invitations
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tantek starts with /rsvp-examples on uf wiki
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ben_thatmustbeme i support rsvps, but not events
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ben_thatmustbeme i need to make a list of things to write about really
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ben_thatmustbeme i keep forgetting them
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: what do the different levels of indentation on /activity represent?
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: my list of things to write about just keeps growing
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tantek I come up with them faster than I can write them :/
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tantek also it's a good way to collect a bunch, and then pick which one seems the most interesting/useful/positive to write about
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tantek that's what blog-this.txt is for
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tantek ok documented here for now: http://microformats.org/wiki/rsvp-examples#2015_RSVP_buttons_update
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: different levels of indentation? i think the represent that your browser hasn't finished loading the images... also represent bad CSS on my part possibly
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tantek that was kylewm not me
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aaronpk maybe you should publish that on tantek.com/blog-this.txt .. maybe even make a flashy site encouraging others to the same ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme well you two need to not have the same number of letters in your handles :P
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+12) "/* Features */ FB supports RSVP "posts" - by way of how they show up in streams etc." (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - ugh, many of these things I'm glad I never get around to blogging
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aaronpk hah
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm: different levels of indentation? i think the represent that your browser hasn't finished loading the images... also represent bad CSS on my part possibly
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: i have TOBLOG/ with just a bunch of folders
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kylewm ah yeah, my browser doesn't load hotlinked images from Facebook
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tantek like all the things where I want to complain badly about something. only a few of those get published. and I try to only post them about bigcos/products ("punch up" as it were, per benwerd)
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ben_thatmustbeme s/folders/files/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: tantek: i have TOBLOG/ with just a bunch of files
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kylewm so it's probably a combination of that and no clearfix
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: how do you order the files within the folder?
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't
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ben_thatmustbeme i name them appropriately at the time and whatever looks interesting i pull up and work on
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tantek one reason a blog-this.txt works well for me is that when I go fishing for something to blog it's all in one file, and I can collapse similar subjects, or split a subject in half VERY easily without hassling with new files, file names, all that carp
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tantek because usually such blog-this thoughts aren't fully formed / well formed anyway, and thus their fuzzy boundaries lend well to be collected together, separated only by 70 chars of "-" like ----------------------- ...
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, some of those are defunct as i have now written about them but made the blog post way way shorter and so i just keep them to maintain history
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tantek aaronpk - sometimes when I'm not ready to blog something but am collecting partially formed thoughts, I wiki it somewhere
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe build on ideas i didn't use
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tantek other times I'll try to post at least post a note that's an atomic building block of a larger post
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ben_thatmustbeme the 100 days thing is at least getting me writing
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tantek especially if it's an idea I want to get out there
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ben_thatmustbeme so many of them i just use the idea to write a quick response
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tantek I feel like "responses" are not in the spirit of the 100 words 100 days thing
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tantek I expect more original content
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ben_thatmustbeme i feel like it can be used a number of ways
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ben_thatmustbeme given that i have gone long stretches of time without doing any posting at all
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ben_thatmustbeme its at least getting something
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm hoping it gets me to write more thoughtfully
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tantek.com edited /rsvp (+314) "Silo Examples, FB, note captured on microformats rsvp-examples" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme but the idea that you can't write days in advance is more what i find important
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ben_thatmustbeme or to put it more cleanly, i'm using 100 days to get me more social, not so much blogging
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tantek for me it's pretty bad. I have "post this ASAP - like today" posts to write (which take weeks or months to get to :/), "post this in a timely manner because the sooner the bigger impact it will have" (which often get upgraded to the previous list), and then blog-this.txt where everything else goes
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tantek is digging himself into an RSVP documentation hole he really doesn't have time for.
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aaronpk the best kind of holes
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tantek I need to get it out of my head otherwise it slows down thinking about other things
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tantek Any button in the UI on a post which creates a respose to that post should be a /webaction
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tantek.com edited /webactions (+1757) "Why event specific, Why fallback silo webactions, add a bunch of event/RSVP webactions suggestions inline in other sections too" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /event (+260) "/* How to */ How to provide an RSVP UI" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, kylewm what do /event posts look like in Monocle and Woodwind?
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tantek do you provide only the same Reply / Repost / Like buttons on them too?
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tantek or do you provide RSVP / Invite buttons on them? https://indiewebcamp.com/webaction#Why_event_specific
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tantek so people can RSVP right there from Monocle / Woodwind to events they see in their stream
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tantek assuming their server supports micropub for creating RSVP posts of course
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tantek which I'm sure both of yours do, right?
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tantek and even Invitation posts - though that could be a more interesting UI
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tantek e.g. user clicks "Invite" button under an event in their reader, and their reader shows them a checkbox selectable list of all the people they follow in the reader (since you have that information)
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tantek that should be sufficient information to construct an /invitation post and publish it via micropub to their site
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: does mobilepub support creating RSVP posts?
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tantek and /invitation posts?
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tantek surrounds the RSVP documentation hole with those questions as warning signs, exits hole.
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KartikPrabhu a ladder of warning signs
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tantek I also wonder if it would be useful at all for readers if they were able to extract those webaction buttons from posts directly
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tantek that is, what if the webactions were somehow properties (nested objects?) of their h-entry
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KartikPrabhu yes
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KartikPrabhu I was thinking something similar but for micropub clients
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tantek could readers then read those, and show them, clickable, as part of their UI on the posts?
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tantek no need to require micropub for webactions, that's the point. however, if we do define how to publish / parse webactions, then readers can *upgrade* them to micropub if the user is signed in with micropub
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tantek accidentally starts digging another hole.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: no not for webactions. I was thinking in the context of posting to my site but with an "inline micropub interface" borrwoed from say Quill
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tantek sure, you could do that for yourself. what about others viewing your posts?
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KartikPrabhu yes that's where your idea for webactions is good :)
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tantek I think we already decided we don't want to make (or teach!) users to give their micropub credentials to every site they read.
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KartikPrabhu not contradictory but complementary
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tantek right. not logged in = webaction buttons
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KartikPrabhu yeah.
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tantek logged in = webaction buttons directly linking to endpoints on that logged in site.
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tantek logged in with micropub auth = webaction buttons that do micropub directly
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tantek keeps digging
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KartikPrabhu not just webaction, but if it is a self-log-in to own site then also "new post"
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KartikPrabhu like Twitter's "What's happening"
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tantek that's just another webaction
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tantek like follow
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KartikPrabhu oh ok then
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tantek "post" is one of the webactions
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tantek meaning create new post
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KartikPrabhu makes sense
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KartikPrabhu i wonder if this runs fowl of some CORS security thingie, no idea
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tantek KartikPrabhu: indie-config is how we solve that
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KartikPrabhu doesn't that require some sort of browser plugin
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tantek.com edited /webactions (+1267) "/* Brainstorming */ as part of post h-entry, reader upgrading webactions to micropub, sites upgrading webactions to micropub" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: no - that's the point of indie-config it works purely with JS on the posting site, and JS on the site of the person doing the browsing
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tantek pretty clever hack on the part of voxpelli
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KartikPrabhu aah I see. cool
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KartikPrabhu will keep that in mind
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tantek yeah he invented /indie-config and got it working at /2014/UK
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tantek you can obviously do much more with a browser add-on, which is what BarnabyWalters did the previous year at /2013/UK
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tantek KartikPrabhu: documented this particular brainstorm here: https://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#as_part_of_post_h-entry
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tantek I have a funny feeling this is what all the "Actions" spec stuff that was being discussed in socialwg at TPAC 2014 was about.
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GWG I have returned.
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KartikPrabhu is now reading about /webactions and /indie-config
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KartikPrabhu maybe tantek-- for distracting me from writing my paper ;)
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Why?
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KartikPrabhu Why for what?
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GWG Why are you reading about webactions?
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KartikPrabhu long discussion with tantek in immediate past. see logs
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GWG I was talking about it the other day with him
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GWG I fear a tantekless chat will be less lively
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tantek GWG, I have no such fears :)
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GWG tantek: You are very active though.
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GWG Either way, I'll be here waiting for WordPress people
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tantek GWG, communities adapt and evolve. One person's absence (or silence) is another's opportunity to speak up more.
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GWG tantek: "Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"
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wagle how the hey do I change my visible profile in twitter?
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wagle finally found it, nm
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wagle app.net is dead, long live app.net
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wagle redoing my identity
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tantek what happened to app.net?
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wagle cant create an account, "try again in a moment" for 10 minutes now
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tantek whoa: https://twitter.com/WhatTheBit/status/626912199135641600
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@WhatTheBit no one remembers https://app.net/ no one remembers diaspora no one remembers ning https://twitter.com/clarkkaren/status/626897433792909312 (twitter.com/_/status/626912199135641600)
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tantek wagle: looks like people are cross-posting from app.net as of minutes ago so it's at least somewhat functional: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%22app.net%22
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wagle just cant create an account
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tantek last reference to creating an account is from 3 days ago: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%22app.net%22%20account but that could be due to diminishing activity
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tantek wagle, perhaps consider posting about it and asking @AppDotNet about it?
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tantek huh last tweet over a year ago: https://twitter.com/AppDotNet/with_replies
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wagle yeah, in 30 mnutes or so
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wagle oh.. it barfs if you already have an account?
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tantek https://twitter.com/mikeestee/status/619224964940582912
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@mikeestee attempts at making social networks where the members are customers have been made. all with limited success. #ello #appdotnet (twitter.com/_/status/619224964940582912)
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tantek as of 4 days ago: https://twitter.com/ADNFuture/status/625879373585887232
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@ADNFuture @caseyhelbling It's still around--@daltonc is being a champion and is still offering the service to users and devs. (twitter.com/_/status/625879373585887232)
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wagle ah.. skype actually rejects SMS now
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wagle so it was mysteriously barfing
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wagle sorry for the wild goose chase
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Kongaloosh ooh! I think I've got webmentions sorted.
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wagle wheee. i have bazillions of wp plugins now
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wagle http://wagle.io/wp-admin/plugins.php?page=indieweb-installer : You do not have sufficient permissions to access this page. (and I have admin privs)
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GWG wagle: Interesting.
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GWG Let me check on my test site. I did the last push to that plugin
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wagle I might have installed everything
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GWG wagle: I can click that link on my site. Strange.
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wagle lemme look at the files
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GWG wagle: Happy to try and troubleshoot it.
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wagle i dont see a dir for a indieweb-installer plugin
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wagle i was able to use it earlier
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GWG It is in wordpress-indieweb
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wagle root@wagle:/var/www/html/wp-content/plugins# ls
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wagle akismet index.php indieweb micropub syndication-links webmention wordpress-webactions-master wp-latex
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wagle hum indieauth indieweb-post-kinds semantic-linkbacks tfo-graphviz wordpress-indieweb-press-this-master wordpress-webmention-for-comments-master
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wagle dont see that
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GWG You could try uninstalling the plugin and reinstalling it. I'm not sure why it isn't on your list
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wagle there's 15 plugins,, all of them?
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GWG I meant just the WordPress Indieweb Plugin
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GWG It's just an installer. It doesn't do anything on its own
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wagle hmm.. same, lemme try harder
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KartikPrabhu oh man! looks like hfeed2atom does not work on my likes which don't have content...
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wagle well, dunno, what should I try now?
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GWG wagle: What are you looking to do specifically?
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wagle plugins -> installed plugins -> indieweb getting started -> Other Install Plugins
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wagle I am using the 2010 theme
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GWG wagle: The theme shouldn't affect the admin page.
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GWG wagle: I just followed the same path and it went to the page.
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GWG wagle: What version of WordPress are you running?
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wagle the latest, everything is uptodate
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wagle just nstalled it
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GWG Very strange
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GWG There's nothing in the plugin that should cause that that I can think of. Usually that message comes with an actual file permissions issue.
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wagle whats the full path to your plugin?
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GWG If you are using the Wordpress.org version, it would be plugins/indieweb
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wagle got that
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GWG That's the plugin in question.
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GWG Try deleting it entirely, and installing it again and see if it sets the permissions up properly.
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wagle haha.. oki
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GWG Specifically that plugin only.
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GWG If it doesn't work, it isn't the end of the world. As mentioned, by itself it does nothing but install other plugins.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: if you'd like an example what likes could/should look like in an Atom feed, see tantek.com/updates.atom
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tantek and for bonus points, consider supporting AS1/Atom <object-type> as well (view source to see)
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wagle ok, i'm using indieweb plugin to install EVERYTHING, and when I do that, the installer tab off the main plugins menu disappears
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wagle and i get the insufficient perms thing agan
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GWG If you install everything, then it has nothing to install, and can't generate the list.
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GWG Hmm...I've never actually tried installing all plugins.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: aah cool! thanks. might not end up using AS1/atom but presentation would be a good help
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GWG wagle: I'll have to try that.
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wagle and i'm doing all the installing from inside wordpress
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GWG wagle: I just reproduced your bug
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KartikPrabhu tantek: your like entry does not have an actual <title> in Atom which is supposed to be a required attribute
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wagle ah, you manually installed it.. i bet
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GWG wagle: No.
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GWG The bug is that it disables the menu item if you install and activate all items.
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GWG Which you did
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wagle makes note to self to started labelng message with GWG
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wagle ahh ok..
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GWG wagle: Then if you try to access the page, it generates the error you had
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wagle harmless then?
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wagle it seems to still have a list of plugins to install?
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GWG wagle: Harmless, basically.
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GWG wagle: I've filed an issue. I may have to figure out how to hide the link on the options page the same way
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GWG wagle: It's a feature of the Plugin Activation system the Indieweb plugin uses neither I nor pfefferle thought of.
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GWG No one so far, I guess, has installed every plugin
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GWG If you disable one of them, even if you don't uninstall, the link will work again
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wagle GWG: ah.. i dont know what they do, so enabled all of them to see what was what
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Loqi IndieWebCamp is a 2-day creator camp and ongoing community (e.g https://indiewebcamp.com/what
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KartikPrabhu lol Loqi!
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Loqi woot!
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GWG wagle: The Getting Started Page is sort of a basic explanation.
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GWG I'd recommend you start with Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks
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GWG That gives you incoming
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wagle yeah, i gotta be non-linear
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wagle oki
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GWG Post Kinds tries to give you outgoing replies by marking up your posts.
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GWG Syndication Links gives you rel=me links, rel=syndication links, etc.
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GWG MicroPub gives you the ability to post using a Micropub client.
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GWG Hum is a URL shortener, if you want one of those.
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GWG Indieauth allows you to log in using Indieauth..which you'd need the rel=me links for.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: does this list exist on /Wordpress
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GWG KartikPrabhu: http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress
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GWG It's linked in the plugin, actully.
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GWG actually
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KartikPrabhu ok. was just wondering why you are manually listing them in IRC instead of pointing to that link
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Intellectual exercise, I suppose.
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wagle ya, i now have a list of plugins to fgure out (my list of installed ones)
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I've been trying to follow WordPress documentation standard practices all day, I guess I'm in documentation mode.
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GWG wagle: Any specific things I can help with?
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wagle what happens when one of the github based ones gets updated?
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GWG wagle: The Indieweb plugin has the ability to update them. That's the latest feature of the plugin installer it uses.
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wagle ok..
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GWG Even the ones that are on the WordPress repository do their development on Github
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wagle i'm currently looking at sempress theme, looks rather cluttered, but mayb I can unclutter it
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GWG wagle: There is an alternative if you want to write your own theme.
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wagle GWG: just thought maybe the wordpress server couldnt tell if a github was updated
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wagle whee.. and LEARN php? oooo 8)
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wagle will live.. probably
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GWG wagle: https://github.com/dshanske/mf2_s
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GWG You can try that if you want.
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wagle oh yeah, i saw that as an alternative
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GWG It is what I use every time I make another theme.
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wagle oic
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wagle i thought i'd stick to off-the-shelf until I understood
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GWG wagle: Not a bad idea.
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GWG I've only been hacking on WordPress extensively since I joined up in here.
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GWG There weren't tools to do what I wanted.
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wagle yeah, the indieweb stuff seems pretty slick
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wagle very gratefull for the installer
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GWG wagle: The idea was to have a mini-directory of Indieweb Plugins.
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wagle eh, darn, sempress is b0rked (see the doubling in my right column at http://wagle.io
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wagle )
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GWG wagle: Did you set any widgets?
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wagle I didnt, but the ones that are in sidebar 2 are listed only once
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GWG If you set some in the bars, the repeat will likely go away.
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wagle added a rel-me widget, nothing happened.. will try harder
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wagle oic, sidebar1 IS populated
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wagle now to unsquander all that precious vertical whitespace... 8)
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wagle the sempress theme has its own notion of sidebars
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GWG Yes.
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GWG wagle: I'm stepping away, but if you need anything, just leave me a message. I lurk 24/7
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wagle sure, thanks much!
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GWG wagle: Any issues or features with the Indieweb stuff, you can file an issue on the development Github and it is usually addressed.
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wagle oh, just in case you are still here, or whenever, I'm urrently figuring out how to install mf2_s
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GWG wagle: Manually only right now. It's not in the installer as it isn't a full theme. It's a starter theme.
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wagle git clone into the themes dir is my current theory
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wagle thought i'd see what it did, since the sempress doesnt want to fit on a screen
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wagle aww.. its primitive..
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wagle 8)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: interesting! the feed validator certainly didn't complain.
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KartikPrabhu yeah weird
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tantek haha because I have an EMPTY title :D
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tantek for likes
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tantek e.g. <title type="xhtml"> <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"/> </title>
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KartikPrabhu yeah. I guess itis strictly not valid or something. You think an empty title for notes in general is OK?
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tantek see that's what happens you do dumb things in a format like REQUIRED elements, people just stick in empty ones to pacify the validators
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tantek no, it IS valid, that's the point.
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KartikPrabhu I see. So maybe hfeed2atom should also put empty title's in case no actual "name" property is found
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tantek no, for notes, I say title == content
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tantek there's always a name property
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tantek because of implied name
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tantek it might be an empty string, but there's always one
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KartikPrabhu currently I check is name is supposed to be a title, i.e. whether name has been auto-generated from content
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KartikPrabhu will re think title fall back strategy
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KartikPrabhu currently roughly following, http://indiewebcamp.com/notes#Note_Type_Algorithm , with some truncation for titles
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tantek that's probably better than what I do
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KartikPrabhu yes but it gets messed up on empty titles
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tantek why?
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KartikPrabhu because if "name" is empty and "content" is also empty it throws error. Maybe in that case hfeed2atom should put the empty title like your feed does
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tantek yes it should
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KartikPrabhu cool! will think about that strategy. Will help with my emtpy-content likes and possibly snarfed's feed too
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KartikPrabhu lol! just noticed ths strange notes icon on http://indiewebcamp.com/patterns/note
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KartikPrabhu first thought "looks like toilet paper" ;)
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tantek haha that's just a redirect from an old URL
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tantek actual page http://indiewebcamp.com/note
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tantek yeah I'm not too happy with that icon
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah still has the "toilet paper" ;)
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tantek maybe we should use that for a "stream"
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KartikPrabhu :P
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KartikPrabhu have you seen the icon in my nav bar at the bottom: https://kartikprabhu.com/
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tantek better? https://indiewebcamp.com/article
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KartikPrabhu yeah the article one is good
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@dustinboston I'm dustinboston on Twitter! #indieweb - https://dblogit.com/notes/a407d7/ (twitter.com/_/status/627385508356837376)
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tantek.com edited /note (+0) "better notes icon" (view diff)
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tantek ^^^ all your fault KartikPrabhu - happy? ;)
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/%F0%9F%93%94
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KartikPrabhu nice! :D
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KartikPrabhu I'll gladly accept blame for improving icons on the wiki :)
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tantek hmm - Google seems to be finding my minutes old posts again
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tantek I wonder what they fixed
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@dickolsson Why we need to make the Internet fun again! #IndieWeb https://recode.net/2015/07/17/why-we-all-need-to-make-the-internet-fun-again/ (twitter.com/_/status/627420661485543424)
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@skddc Set up Flickr POSSE for my Known and it works like a charm, too. So far I'm syndicating to: Twitter, Facebook, Foursquare, Flickr. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/627437361765449728)
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@t Seeing tweets re #foocamp “alphas”. Alpha enough to #ownyourdata? Or just Betas to Silos? Makers, make thy #indieweb. (ttk.me t4cU3) (twitter.com/_/status/627446365543616512)
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@johannesdachsel @Malarkey webmentions is the way to go. It motivates people to post responses on their own site first. (twitter.com/_/status/627456106248445952)
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@KathyLeeDrupal Hey! What do you think of Webmention resource validation fails for path alias? I'm trying to build consensus! https://www.drupal.org/node/2543964 (twitter.com/_/status/627494170454818816)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club (-2) "SF location confirmed @MozSF - main room 1st floor! RSVP" (view diff)
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tantek !tell kylewm HWC SF location CONFIRMED for 2015-08-12, could you post indie event, FB POSSE, copy, add both URLS to: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco ? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell kylewm I am OUT OF TOWN on 2015-08-26 - could you pick venue / host that day? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco Thank you!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm hi tantek, sure! I cannot attend on the 12th, but can host on the 26th
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 29 minutes ago: HWC SF location CONFIRMED for 2015-08-12, could you post indie event, FB POSSE, copy, add both URLS to: https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-12-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-01/line/1438445458188
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 28 minutes ago: I am OUT OF TOWN on 2015-08-26 - could you pick venue / host that day? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-08-26-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco Thank you! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-01/line/1438445496387
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KevinMarks_ on gillmor gang now
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@LaSkFaRvOrToK @wakest have you checked out indieweb/selfdogfood/webmentions? (twitter.com/_/status/627527073716830208)
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aaronpk weren't you just on?
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KevinMarks_ that was TWiG
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek: intersting that Feedly does not pick up XML for your title when it is empty, but picks it up when not empty! :P
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@call_user_func [New]jonnybarnes/webmentions-parser A PHP library to parse webmentions from HTML https://packagist.org/packages/jonnybarnes/webmentions-parser (twitter.com/_/status/627572017043124224)
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: i keep running in to you on the internet!
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