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# 00:46 tantek sure it costs 2 more characters, but perhaps that's worth it for the understanding gained
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# 05:37 wagle whats the easiest api to interact with twitter?
# 05:39 wagle agnostic.. first guess was python, but others are fine
# 05:40 GWG I need a swiss army knife of APIs
# 05:40 kylewm tweepy and bear's twitter library are both good for python
# 05:40 kylewm though, tbh i just use requests and request-oauthlib
# 05:44 wagle thanks guys.. my brain just decided to shut down for the night though.. 8/
# 05:45 kylewm GWG: swiss army knife of apis would be a pretty good tag line for Granary, but it's off theme
# 05:46 GWG kylewm: I just want to put my data in and have it come out the way I want on a bunch of sites...
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# 06:40 tantek is going to wiki things until he falls asleep.
# 06:46 tantek wonders if KevinMarks hovercard parses multiple u-urls from people's h-cards and e.g. shows icons for "other" (silo) profile URLs
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# 08:58 KevinMarks !tell tantek - examples and pull request for hovercards encouraged (your org list is a good test case)
# 08:58 Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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# 14:24 tantek now I suppose I should mock up a visual design for what "shows icons for "other" (silo) profile URLs" should/could look like inside hovercard ...
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# 14:25 tantek (or you could try hacking something up using one of those free social media icon sets)
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# 14:43 voxpelli had an experiment where I listed everyone's social graph profile on their Twitter cards – some Microformats enthusiasts posed a UI-challenge :)
# 14:43 tantek voxpelli: that timpritlove example is quite different than what I intended, so I should call out the differences
# 14:45 voxpelli tantek: you would get them all for the h-card of that page if I still had access to the Flattr page so I could mark up the rel-me:s as u-url
# 14:45 voxpelli a fallback to rel-me for representative h-cards would be nice as well btw
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# 15:26 aaronpk the micropub version of that would require posting an h-card, not just a URL
# 15:26 tantek not necessarily - your site could lookup the URL in your nicknames cache
# 15:26 aaronpk yeah i'm thinking if I don't have it in the cache tho
# 15:27 tantek and use that discovery to populate an entry in your nicknames cache for the future
# 15:27 aaronpk hm I'd have to think about how that would look with my current person-tag display
# 15:27 tantek right, hence the note about (t, f) and using social media icons
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# 15:28 [kevinmarks] Or hovercard could do it later. The hovercard challenge is deciding how to winnow more detailed profiles - doing something like Facebook's "here are 2 things that you'll find interesting"
# 15:37 kylewm ohh, interesting. i was able to person-tag someone via the facebook api without specifying a place/location
# 15:38 kylewm is it possible they actually added a feature instead of removing one!
# 15:44 kylewm snarfed: do you happen to have a link to that in the docs? i couldn't find it
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# 16:36 KartikPrabhu icons are fragile on loading and support etc... having text fallback is always better
# 16:36 tantek KartikPrabhu: I think you misread. the icons are only for the social media other profile links
# 16:37 tantek which, in that context are so secondary that it's ok that they're only minimal icons
# 16:37 tantek nah - they can still have alt="Twitter profile" etc.
# 16:38 KartikPrabhu the links themselves will be invisible to the reader tough so alt does not help
# 16:38 tantek I think you're confused about how images display if the src doesn't load
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# 17:08 tantek snarfed: captured our CMS use vs. make your own debate ^^^ please feel free to add / clean up wording :)
# 17:09 tantek there are many points to consider and no obvious answer for all cases - worth continuing to iterate on
# 17:09 tantek it's been an unspoken debate for far too long - now it's got a start of documentation
# 17:10 snarfed the intro paragraph might belong under "why write your own" instead of implying it's generally accepted, but i don't feel strongly
# 17:10 tantek snarfed: yeah - definitely feel free to fix accordingly!
# 17:10 aaronpk if you saw a header that says "this week" do you assume calendar week or past 7 days?
# 17:10 tantek (it was definitely a hurried copy/paste job ;) )
# 17:13 tantek.com edited /Falcon (+2424) "minimal photo posts supported since 2015-244, lots more photo post improvement to do, https embedded map images" (
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# 17:16 kylewm isn't CMS a little strong of a word for most of the stuff we've written?
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# 18:33 aaronpk kinda fun to see people using it that I don't know at all!
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# 20:46 KevinMarks hm, if brid.gy fixes #51 to send all mentions, I can put a comment box on svgur.com that wraps the twitter one
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# 22:03 kylewm I really want posse to a community blog for stuff like ^
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# 22:14 kylewm oh, hmm, i've never indienewsed something before, lemme try
# 22:45 [snarfed] myfreeweb: retries are definitely nice! but kind of a product/policy decision, often case by case. not exactly mandatory
# 22:48 kylewm [snarfed]: you down with trimming trailing punctuation before adding an ellipsis?
# 22:49 aaronpk maybe today is a good day to change how indienews works
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# 22:57 myfreeweb why is commenting on indienews even considered syndication? it's just a webmention comment
# 22:57 aaronpk myfreeweb: the idea is that you syndicate your comment from your own site to indienews
# 22:57 aaronpk the in-reply-to URL would be the original story, not the indienews URL
# 22:59 aaronpk I may just drop that whole thing tho since it's kind of a leap of the imagination and I'd rather get the simple flow of just submitting things there working well
# 23:00 aaronpk also there are only 2 comments ever and both are from me
# 23:01 snarfed wow, kylewm did you make a new synd icon just for indienews?
# 23:05 kylewm aaronpk: I mean, I did pick one from font-awesome for indienews :)
# 23:06 aaronpk poll: is upvoting useful if the front page is time-ordered instead of ranked?
# 23:08 aaronpk i won't change it right now, but just thinking there's not much point to it if the front page isn't ranked
# 23:13 aaronpk wow last real work done on this was december 2013
# 23:16 myfreeweb I guess it would work if I had the browser extension thing
# 23:18 myfreeweb but the cool thing now is indie-config: your website loads my config using an iframe and replaces the twitter link with my link
# 23:21 snarfed ie how would an indieweb friendly silo mark up a POSSE post backlink
# 23:22 snarfed ah yeah. i checked indienews but thought u-url meant it hadn't tried to handle it
# 23:23 aaronpk it means if you subscribe to the indienews home page in a reader, the reader will show the original link which is what you want
# 23:25 myfreeweb wow, indie-config's web+action://load iframe causes Chrome to display a mixed content warning (but not Firefox)
# 23:28 KevinMarks hah, I thought I had founda tree in the twitter logo, but that was because inkscape imported it over an open document, not in a new one
# 23:35 GWG My first patch for WordPress has been promoted to 4.4 candidate. Those people are much harder to please than snarfed and pfefferle.
# 23:37 GWG snarfed: I haven't forgotten about the unit tests
# 23:38 GWG snarfed: Been slowed down by a herniated disc and my tendency to jump around.
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# 23:39 GWG But I am getting Post Kinds fixed uo, including Micropub support.
# 23:51 aaronpk basically you first create a u-syndication link to http://news.indiewebcamp.com/ and send the webmention as normal, and the response will include the final URL and then you can update the syndication link on your site
# 23:51 aaronpk basically the same way bridgy publish works i think
# 23:53 kylewm yeah that's totally how bridgy publish works, i like that consistency
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