#indiewebcamp 2015-09-10

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[kevinmarks] Unmung.com uses details/summary for feeds (though on title, not summary - I need a better "is the summary a subset of the content" heuristic)
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KartikPrabhu I have such a UI but it actually shows the summary/abstract: https://kartikprabhu.com/papers
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@aaronpk @edrex @bretolius @mathpunk Yes! At Waypost! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/641765085581471744)
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Loqi [mention] Aaron Parecki commented '@edrex @bretolius @mathpunk Yes! At Waypost! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/09/09/6/)
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@t not going to tonight’s Homebrew Website Club in SF/PDX (I’m @W3CAB in Redmond) but you should! https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4d72) (twitter.com/_/status/641769041288413184)
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[shaunguice] Tantek: I’m here in SF. A little early and waiting outside the front doors
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tantek shaunguice - you may be at the wrong venue
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-09-09-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek fortunately you're likely not far away
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[shaunguice] haha. . just noticed.
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[shaunguice] <— creature of habit
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tantek see ^^^ San Francisco HWC is at The Creamery SF, 685 4th Street
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tantek for tonight
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aaronpk well this is awkward
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aaronpk how am I supposed to know what timezone events on http://indiewebcamp.com/events are in?
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aaronpk also ICS doesn't seem to support the concept of multiple locations for an event, much less a single event that spans multiple locations and times
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aaronpk so much for quickly turning http://indiewebcamp.com/events into an ics feed
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aaronpk pdx HWC is up to 7 ppl now!
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GWG aaronpk: Send some to NYC
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M-Kodo I'm probably not going to make it. I'll be here though
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M-Kodo Moral support
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@benwerd Heading to Homebrew Website Club, 6:30pm at the Creamery in San Francisco - but running a few minutes late. #indieweb #muni #whereismytrain (twitter.com/_/status/641782089579278336)
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M-Kodo Read that as cemetery
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parzzix think I am going to build my own site/blog/cms from scratch..step by step, will be asking for much help
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parzzix seeing how I only know basic html at this time
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ericnakagawa: my url http://www.xn--vi8hiv.ws/xn--oq8hbce1ezj/ is lingmoji - it has emoji in urls (twitter.com/_/status/641790251686608896)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ericnakagawa: currently it autogenerates URLs, but we are working on making them custom (twitter.com/_/status/641790531534766081)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ericnakagawa: I want to build more stuff and just share it and have fun with it (twitter.com/_/status/641790790377803776)
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parzzix First question is to host on Linux or FreeBSD
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parzzix I guess Linux since i'm most familiar with it.
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@sirmlivesey RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @ericnakagawa: my url http://www.xn--vi8hiv.ws/xn--oq8hbce1ezj/ is lingmoji - it has emoji in urls (twitter.com/_/status/641791495826227200)
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parzzix Then do I do a lemp or lamp stack on server?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ericnakagawa: i want to lower the bar to releasing things have less pressure (twitter.com/_/status/641791756237996032)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aStateofKate: the problem with developer tools is that have terrible ux - people can't always use command lines (twitter.com/_/status/641792174317793280)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ericnakagawa: my urls use punicode, which browsers use (twitter.com/_/status/641792635833851904)
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@caseywsj RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @ericnakagawa: I want to build more stuff and just share it and have fun with it (twitter.com/_/status/641793043440386048)
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M-Kodo What is lemp?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lemp" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/102c
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M-Kodo LPP stack is the best. Linux Phoenix Postgres
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M-Kodo Which could really just be p because nobody devs on non Linux and Phoenix defaultly uses postgres
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I have updated http://svgur.com so it can share to facebook and twitter as png (twitter.com/_/status/641794303782703104)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: so @theguice can upload http://svgur.com/s/2A and it shows up on twitter (twitter.com/_/status/641794910539116544)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @ericnakagawa: my urls use punicode, which browsers use (twitter.com/_/status/641795233215348736)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @theguice: I worked on updating my site - I made a lot of wireframes for my portfolio site http://t.co/baD8a4uFRH and built it (twitter.com/_/status/641795245915639809)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @theguice: my site is a python flask site wih jinja HTML templates. I also fiexed some bugs with my hcard (twitter.com/_/status/641795441709961216)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: the other thing I did was improve hovercards (twitter.com/_/status/641795531094818816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Suhais Saqib Said: I have microformats on my site http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~suhaib/ (twitter.com/_/status/641796231400943616)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Suhais Saqib Said: I have some d3.js visualisations on my site. including a review of wearables: http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~suhaib/InfoViz_final_project/ (twitter.com/_/status/641796701297242114)
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@roombaghost @kevinmarks :) wish I could be at #indieweb! my class is on wednesdays unfortunately :/ (twitter.com/_/status/641796715176071168)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aStateofKate: I did an extensive data project about the SF city government into a node and edgy graph - the city genome project (twitter.com/_/status/641800673651224577)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aStateofKate: having done it for SF, I wrote up how to do it for other cites to do the same kind of thing (twitter.com/_/status/641800836973232132)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aStateofKate: it's hard to talk about how to improve something if you can't visualise it - it gives a concept to discuss (twitter.com/_/status/641801071577419777)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aStateofKate: the Sf city government looks like a spaceship when you draw money as edges and groups as nodes (twitter.com/_/status/641801264695783424)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I've been scraping mp3's lately - we have a way to bookmark podcast episodes and recommend them (twitter.com/_/status/641802031393542144)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: the lengths to which people will go to have their mp3's not be scraped by embedding things in the URL to break it (twitter.com/_/status/641802358217965568)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: we have decided to look at the context of the mp3 file rather than the contents to make sense of it (twitter.com/_/status/641802746434297856)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: podcasts have been growing steadily, but they are still a kind of geeky thing (twitter.com/_/status/641802885148340224)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: there are 3 major podcasts about pencils that are really well-produced and very competitive with each other (twitter.com/_/status/641803073300660225)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I've also been dealing with internet explorer bugs, because I have users (twitter.com/_/status/641803305086287876)
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@DanielleMorrill RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: I've also been dealing with internet explorer bugs, because I have users (twitter.com/_/status/641804589465862144)
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@infixum RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: I've also been dealing with internet explorer bugs, because I have users (twitter.com/_/status/641805217827164160)
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@kevinmarks Homebrew Website Club SF #indieweb #hwc @ The Creamery https://instagram.com/p/7bybSUxKKf/ (twitter.com/_/status/641808168176209920)
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@Shoq RT @kevinmarks: Homebrew Website Club SF #indieweb #hwc @ The Creamery https://instagram.com/p/7bybSUxKKf/ (twitter.com/_/status/641808251701579776)
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@nottinbutaig Homebrew Website Club SF #indieweb #hwc by kevinmarks https://twitter.com/nottinbutaig/status/641808309125808128/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/641808309125808128)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: Homebrew Website Club SF #indieweb #hwc @ The Creamery https://instagram.com/p/7bybSUxKKf/ (twitter.com/_/status/641810405690601472)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: Homebrew Website Club SF #indieweb #hwc @ The Creamery https://instagram.com/p/7bybSUxKKf/ (twitter.com/_/status/641810559759982592)
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mblaney hello indiewebcamp
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mblaney I wanted to add web actions to a site I run, but no one who reads it would know what they are...
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@kevinmarks @lynncyrin also karaoke at voicebox on Thursday night, indieweb breakfast at Zells on Friday http://aaronparecki.com/events/2015/09/11/1/indieweb-xoxo-breakfast (twitter.com/_/status/641854144391811072)
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mblaney I decided the default text "This page uses web actions - click to configure:" was a bit too archaic so changed it to "Want to share this? Click to choose a site:"
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mblaney I think that's a bit friendlier for people who are just going to click the "use twitter" or "use facebook" buttons :-)
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: maybe document that one /web-actions
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KartikPrabhu I use a "learn more" link on my webmention forms too
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mblaney KartikPrabhu: sounds like a good idea, just reading that page again to try and work out where it would fit.
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: under Indieweb Examples and your name would be a good idea
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jeena.net uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:hwc-gbg-3.jpg]]""
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unicyclic.com mal edited /webactions (+571) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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mblaney KartikPrabhu: thanks feel free to comment on my edit.
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KartikPrabhu mblaney++ lgtm
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mblaney interesting, just noticed my username in that edit log isn't clickable....
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Loqi mblaney has 2 karma
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KartikPrabhu you might not have a user page
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mblaney it's because the underscore is converted to a space
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KartikPrabhu media wiki
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mblaney it's all good just flagging it as a thing.
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Zegnat !tell mblaney the IWC wiki is not very kind to us with slashes in our ID URLs. I struggled with it a lot when setting up my user page and getting my URL right on /IRC_People
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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vanderven.se martijn edited /File:hwc-gbg-3.jpg (+221) "Add "people tags"." (view diff)
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petermolnar slightly offtopic: is anyone from here in the pre-alpha of ind.ie's Heartbeat? I wonder if it would be an option to wire it into the webmentions ecosystem ( although I'm not sure it would worth it )
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Zegnat petermolnar: I looked into hosting Heartbeat and what coms with it, but for now it isn't open source yet, which means it is not worth it to me
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petermolnar I thought the source is available online
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petermolnar https://source.ind.ie/explore/projects ?
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Zegnat yes, but source-available doesn't mean open-source
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Zegnat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software#Open-source_vs._source-available
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Zegnat Ind.ie is “releasing the code, all rights reserved, for review” while they figure out how to handle licensing.
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petermolnar ...
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petermolnar that's... kind of pathetic
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Zegnat They blame Apple
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petermolnar I know, because they desperately want to be compatible with that brand, "because users"
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Zegnat Does Apple really have such strict anti-open-source rules in place? I believe I have seen several open-source tools on the Mac App Store
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petermolnar that I don't know, I'm on linux
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petermolnar from what I read, GPL is fine if it's your software
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petermolnar so ind.ie is just rejecting GPL
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Zegnat Apparently GPL conflicts with AppStore ToS, http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-gpl-apps-for-apples-app-store/, so the problem is with that?
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Zegnat MIT would definitely be allowed, but ind.ie doesn’t want to use such a permissive licence because they want to lock down derivatives (e.g. force ShareAlike)
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petermolnar the article is about gplv2
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petermolnar what about v3?
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Zegnat petermolnar: I really couldn’t say without putting some more time into researching it, but I don’t think v3 changed the part that is said to give the conflict
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Zegnat Apparently some projects (https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-iOS/issues/155) get around this by making sure there is no GPL dependencies and then basically have the right to dual-licence their app as both GPL (on GitHub) and Apples ToS (on AppStore)
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raucao hi. i was wondering what mediawiki plugin loqi is using for sending updates to irc
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vanderven.se martijn edited /IRC (-27) "/* Mac */ Remove broken URLs, re-sort, add classifications, add Adium and Textual" (view diff)
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@t Thanks @KevinMarks HWC SF notes! http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-09-09.html My #indieweb update: I added photo posts to my site: http://tantek.com/2015/253/t2/indieweb-update-added-photo-posts (twitter.com/_/status/641958255565107200)
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tantek good morning rhiaro
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-92) "back to Edinburgh tonight" (view diff)
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tantek adactio: impressed you pulled off another HWC Brighton the week of dConstruct!
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tantek adactio++
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Loqi adactio has 18 karma
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adactio tantek: Thanks. It's pretty low mainaintence (being in our building and all). Last night's was really nice actually—good to have Glenn and Remy there, as well as some newcomers.
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tantek nice - yes always good to have such a mix
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tantek any photo perchance?
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ShaneHudson I will have to get down to HWC Brighton one of these days :)
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ShaneHudson Looking forward to dConstruct though!
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ShaneHudson I'm in the process of merging my work site with my personal site, people don't seem to understand the way I've got it at moment. Are there any good examples of how personal sites are used as portfolio as well as articles/notes etc? Thinking maybe have featured posts on front page, with a stream page or something
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tantek what is a portfolio?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "portfolio" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/102d
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ShaneHudson In my case it is not quite a portfolio, more just a client facing site instead of whatever random stuff I want to post. Currently have shanehudson.net and shanehudson.net/work
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tantek sounds like a good start at integration
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tantek would still be interested in your definition of what you mean by "portfolio"
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tantek as I I think that's worthy of documenting on the indieweb wiki - since it's a solid professional indieweb use-case!
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ShaneHudson Case studies of work I suppose in my case. But also things like contact form/email and why people should hire me
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ShaneHudson Yeah I think I will write it up once I put it live. Only just started designing it :)
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ShaneHudson I liked the idea of keeping them separate, but actually I think it makes sense for them to be on one since they are both part of my 'web presence/identity' in a way.
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tantek you can still summarize what you just wrote ^^^ into a sentence starting with "A portfolio is ..." :)
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tantek what is a portfolio?
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ShaneHudson Sure :)
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "portfolio" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/s/102e
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tantek and then Loqi will take what you wrote and create the page!
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ShaneHudson Oh really? That's pretty cool
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tantek (you have 9 minutes)
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ShaneHudson A portfolio is a professional web page targeted at paying customers/clients. Often it shows examples of work and projects.
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loqi.me created /portfolio (+147) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-10/line/1441893464121 and dfn added by ShaneHudson" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek neat huh?
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tantek and now if you ask
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tantek what is a portfolio?
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Loqi portfolio is a professional web page targeted at paying customers/clients https://indiewebcamp.com/portfolio
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ShaneHudson That is really good heh
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tantek and then you can edit it to fix the grammar etc as needed. imperfect but still awesome :)
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ShaneHudson Oh another usecase is directly indieweb-related
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ShaneHudson Twitter URL goes to shanehudson.net/work so clients see it. But indieauth only seems to work if directed at shanehudson.net
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tantek.com edited /portfolio (+81) "grammar, relate to indieweb, lengthen dfn, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /portfolio (+395) "why, how, indieweb examples start with shanehudson" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /portfolio (+17) "???? for since date" (view diff)
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tantek and now you're the first IndieWeb example on the page: https://indiewebcamp.com/portfolio#indieWeb_Examples
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tantek ShaneHudson: since what date (year?) has your portfolio been on your site there?
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tantek and consider creating https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template:shanehudson&action=edit&redlink=1 (feel free to copy/paste from https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template:t&action=edit if it helps!)
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tantek ShaneHudson, re: twitter / indieweb / work - perhaps consider a separate Twitter for the "professional you"
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tantek makes sense to segment Twitter like that - I mean, see how adactio segments his twitter into separate ones for bookmarks etc.
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ShaneHudson No I don't think so
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ShaneHudson I used to run @SuccessCircuit and @ShaneHudson at the same time and it was a mess. While I do use Twitter for work, I don't really censor it at all
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ShaneHudson But it is definitely something that people could do if they wanted, just have a tag/category tied to each account and POSSE them specifically
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ShaneHudson Is the [[Template]] different to [[User]]?
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ShaneHudson Ah, avatar I see
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shanehudson.net created /Template:shanehudson (+140) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">{{sparkline|https://shanehudson.net/avatar.png}}[[User:ShaneHudson.net|Shane Hudson" target="_blank">User:ShaneHudson.net|Shane" target="_blank">https://shanehudson.net/avatar.png}}[[User:ShaneHudson.net|Shane Hudson]]</span>"" (view diff)
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shanehudson.net edited /portfolio (+7) "Added date I released my portfolio page, might be off by a few days" (view diff)
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shanehudson.net edited /portfolio (+82) "Added intent to merge" (view diff)
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shanehudson.net edited /portfolio (+2) "Modifying links to https" (view diff)
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tantek ah - once you merge it into the front page of your site, the twitter / indieauth issue disappears!
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ShaneHudson Yup absolutely
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ShaneHudson Also makes it easier to explain to people where my content is etc
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[snarfed] i think aaronpk fixed that indieauth problem recently so it now allows paths
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[snarfed] hmm, can't find the issue. maybe not
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Zegnat Paths were always allowed, right? I have always been logging in with vanderven.se/martijn/ . The problem wasn’t that ShaneHudson was using a path, it was that his Twitter linked to a page on his site that didn’t work with indieauth
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kylewm snarfed: it was an issue with Quill https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/issues/28
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ShaneHudson Zegnat: Correct, my main indieauth is the root path
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@degooglisons Un autre service s’éteint... Le cimetière en est plein https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths Les #chatons seront-ils la solution ? https://twitter.com/nicosomb/status/641702730713669633 (twitter.com/_/status/642006191443451904)
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aaronpk raucao: it's actually built in to mediawiki core!
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raucao aaronpk: omg wow. i was subscribing to its rss feed from my irc bot, because i didn't see it :)
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raucao thanks
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aaronpk this is a little different than what i'm using but: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki-Recent_Changes-IRCBot
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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geng I am in position
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geng Em... I am sorry that I forgot to edit the wiki again...
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geng Anyone needs access to the forum please contact me.
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geng skype id is geng.lv, or cellphone 07490136682.
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@hs0ucy RT @degooglisons: Un autre service s’éteint... Le cimetière en est plein https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths Les #chatons seront-ils la solution ? http… (twitter.com/_/status/642017401341476864)
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geng -_-//
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geng No one came yet.
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camerongray geng / rhiaro - I'm outside now
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rhiaro 1 sec camerongray
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rhiaro Geng I'm on my way
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@aStateofKate RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aStateofKate: I did an extensive data project about the SF city government into a node and edgy graph - the city… (twitter.com/_/status/642028374026653696)
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@aStateofKate RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aStateofKate: having done it for SF, I wrote up how to do it for other cites to do the same kind of thing (twitter.com/_/status/642028450304299009)
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@aStateofKate RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aStateofKate: it's hard to talk about how to improve something if you can't visualise it - it gives a concept to… (twitter.com/_/status/642028470067793920)
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{{legion}} Em..
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{{legion}} ll
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lvgeng ll
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Zegnat lvgeng: problems with IRC?
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lvgeng Em... Actually I was trying to figure out how it works...
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lvgeng See, each time I join the chat, I need to change my nick-name.
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Zegnat You are using the webchat? It just came out of beta
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lvgeng Yes.
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rhiaro Camerongray can you help lvgeng find a half decent client?
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lvgeng The web chat currently.
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lvgeng Actually he did.
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Zegnat The webchat doesn’t remember anything about you, IIRC. Which means that every new browser tab is a new session with the same blank nickname
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lvgeng I just forgot to use the client....
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sparverius lvgeng: /msg nickserv help
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sparverius you should reigster your nick and then use /msg nickserv identify or ghost on login
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lvgeng Em... make sense
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Zegnat http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC should have almost all the information you need to set-up with a local client, if you are on Mac, I just updated the list of clients today
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Loqi +1
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lvgeng I am on Fedora currently.
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lvgeng Er... is loqi programmed to act in this way?
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Loqi dude
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lvgeng Kind of creepy...
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Zegnat Loqi, don’t listen, you are not creepy <3
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Geng knock knock
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Geng Er... My bad I guess?
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camerongray moredhel: You're missing all the fun
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@ubax The End of the Internet Dream! A powerful keynote @ Black Hat 2015 by @granick https://medium.com/backchannel/the-end-of-the-internet-dream-ba060b17da61 #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/642035003480801280)
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GengLyu Ok it is me again. just testing the app from android. Just ignore me fr a while...
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@ubax The End of the Internet Dream! "We need to ensure the Net is a liberator, not our oppressor." By @granick https://www.youtube.com/ #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/642035890110468096)
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Geng2 Sorry again I guess. Just want to know what might happen if I try to join from two platform with the same nick name.
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Zegnat No problem Geng. There are probably enough people here who would love to help you out get on IRC
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Geng I am running some tests to figure out something I am curious about, but I think it has become sort of annoying. I should stop I guess. Em... for now, at least.
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Geng By the way thank you all for helping.
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KartikPrabhu ShaneHudson: here is a good portfolio-ish site http://www.lottejackson.com/
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KartikPrabhu which also has posts and articles
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ShaneHudson KartikPrabhu: Oh that's done rather nicely :)
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KartikPrabhu ShaneHudson: here is another one I like http://danielmall.com/
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@Irrodeus RT @degooglisons: Un autre service s’éteint... Le cimetière en est plein https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths Les #chatons seront-ils la solution ? http… (twitter.com/_/status/642062849402138625)
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hamhut1066.com edited /events/2015-09-03-homebrew-website-club (+15) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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hamhut1066.com edited /events/2015-09-03-homebrew-website-club (-15) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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hamhut1066.com edited /events/2015-09-10-homebrew-website-club (+15) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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rhiaro HWC Edinburgh still ongoing
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rhiaro discovers camerongray never set up web sign-in for the wiki
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camerongray hangs his head in shame
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rhiaro pressures camerongray into doing it at once
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KartikPrabhu pressures too for funzies
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rhiaro He's doing it he's doing it
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rhiaro He did it!
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rhiaro camerongray++
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Loqi camerongray has 1 karma
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camerongray.me edited /events/2015-09-10-homebrew-website-club (+21) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu camerongray++
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Loqi camerongray has 2 karma
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camerongray.me created /Template:camerongray.me (+20) "Created page with "TODO: Put stuff here"" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme camerongray++
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Loqi camerongray has 3 karma
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moredhel !karma
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Loqi moredhel has 1 karma
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rhiaro watches camerongray freak out from irc notifications
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rhiaro !tell aaronpk: maybe there should be some auto karma for doing wiki updates
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk haha that'd be neat
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Loqi aaronpk: rhiaro left you a message 24 seconds ago: maybe there should be some auto karma for doing wiki updates http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-10/line/1441916801869
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rhiaro Also if a message was left like less than a minute ago Loqi doesn't need to report it..?
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KartikPrabhu maybe the recipient just logged in
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rhiaro oh yeah, it does it on entering too
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rhiaro It's just when it triggers on activity it's usually pointless
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aaronpk no only if you say something
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rhiaro I guess there is still scope for someone leaving a message less than a minute before you sign in and post
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rhiaro It's just that usually when that's the case, the person saying something is replying to the !tell
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rhiaro Well, never mind
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rhiaro So, on-topic question..
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rhiaro Lots of people (most?) put p-name on e-content if there's no header for the post
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rhiaro I've been unthinkingly storing p-name when found, as well as e-content, assuming it's a header
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rhiaro And using existence of p-name to differentiate articles from notes
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rhiaro But that's not really the case
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aaronpk there's a thing for this
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rhiaro Ooh?
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/comment-presentation#How_to_display
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aaronpk should probably be its own thing cause it's applicable to not just comments
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KartikPrabhu maybe should be in http://indiewebcamp.com/Semantics_Of_Article-Note_Distinction ?
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rhiaro yeah, I'm just running into this now I'm working on expansion of reposts
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rhiaro Haven't bothered displaying headings for comments, and haven't noticed them missing because article posts as comments are getting dropped for mysterious reasons currently
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aaronpk hm yeah this is different than comments-presentation
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rhiaro Which is actually probably going to rear its head for repost expansion too
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aaronpk i swear it's on the wiki somewhere tho
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aaronpk basically if name == content then don't show name
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rhiaro Makes sense
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rhiaro But doesn't name strip html?
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rhiaro p- I mean
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aaronpk yeah, check plaintext version of both
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rhiaro if it's a p-name and an e-content might they be the same bu tdifferent?
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rhiaro Oh, does content have nested things
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rhiaro Ack, this was supposed to be a quick thing I could finish this evening
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aaronpk compare plaintext
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aaronpk e-content gives you plaintext in the value property
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rhiaro Oh, I remember
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rhiaro Feels like it's been a while since I thought about this
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rhiaro aaronpk, does php-mf2 do the twitter->mf2 thing? Or was that something else?
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2-shim
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rhiaro thanks
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Zegnat in case Edinburgh is still going strong (rhiaro, camerongray): camerongray seems to have created a Template on the wiki instead of using his user page (accessible through a link in the footer whilst logged in)
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snarfed rhiaro: also https://granary-demo.appspot.com/
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camerongray Ahh cool, I'll sort that now
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rhiaro get it together, camerongray :p
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rhiaro you're an embarrasment to Edinburgh
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camerongray.me edited /events/2015-09-10-homebrew-website-club (+5) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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hamhut1066.com created /User:Hamhut1066.com (+15) "Created page with "Hamish was here"" (view diff)
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Zegnat camerongray: most people set-up a template for their nickname only, e.g. {{t}} can be used on any page to include a link to tantek’s userpage: https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:t
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camerongray.me edited /events/2015-09-10-homebrew-website-club (-5) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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Zegnat Wikis, IRC clients, you’d almost think there is work involved with IWC!
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KartikPrabhu does not touch those things at work.
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KartikPrabhu maybe because I am not a professional programmer
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camerongray.me created /Template:Camerongray.me (+19) "Created page with "User:Camerongray.me"" (view diff)
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camerongray Hmm, so what do I put on the template?
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camerongray A link to my user page?
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KartikPrabhu camerongray: use https://indiewebcamp.com/Template:t as a guideline
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hamhut1066.com created /Template:moredhel (+71) "Created page with "The page people see about hamish, and his user page: {{hamhut1066.com}}"" (view diff)
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camerongray Ahh cool, I see now
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hamhut1066.com edited /Template:moredhel (+5) (view diff)
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camerongray.me edited /Template:Camerongray.me (+135) (view diff)
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camerongray Right, that worked, I think
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Zegnat Looks good, so now you can use {{Camerongray.me}} on any wiki page to show your name and photo
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rhiaro I really need to rewrite my micropub endpoint. I'm baffled how I got so much chaos into so few lines of code.
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camerongray Zegnat: Cool, thanks!
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@kevinmarks Yes: #indieweb breakfast for #xoxofest in portland tomorrow. http://aaronparecki.com/events/2015/09/11/1/indieweb-xoxo-breakfast ... http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/yes-indieweb-breakfast-for-xoxofest-in-portland-tomorrow-events201509111indieweb-xoxo-breakfast (twitter.com/_/status/642091488625557504)
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rhiaro For anyone interested, HWC Edinburgh is still going, with the dedicated rhiaro and moredhel
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rhiaro 6.5 hours?
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moredhel 'going'. I'm falling asleep on the sofa, still waiting for ghc to compile :p
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KartikPrabhu wow!
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rhiaro Maybe we should start doing survivors photos
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moredhel yes!! it's on make install
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rhiaro ^ moredhel cried this out IRL just now
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tantek rhiaro++
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