#indiewebcamp 2015-10-02

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kylewm tantek: yes, but the webmention will still have a target param that matches exactly the url from the body of their post
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tantek yes that makes more sense
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KevinMarks that makes it simpler for the receiver; what might make sense is to follow 301s on a link you are posting, and amend the link to match in the post, then webmention that link
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gregorlove.com edited /Pinterest (+50) "dfn, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Pinterest (+158) "dfn, linky linky, use generic versions of pin-specific terms, note pinning involves user-chosen URL+image in the UX" (view diff)
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bret anyone seen any good websites with nice inverted/dark colors that they liked?
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bret started a redesign of my site last night
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kylewm is there some design rule that explains why dark colors are considerably more difficult to do well?
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loqi.me created /rebuild (+288) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek bret - just go with https://www.jwz.org/
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kylewm haha, that was the first one that came to mind for me too
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bret lol
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bret im thinking trying to just roll with my favorite text editor themes
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bret not sure how they will look with only a few primary colors though
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tantek bret - I experimented with as much a while ago: http://tantek.com/log/2003/05.html
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tantek slightly different: http://tantek.com/log/2003/04.html
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bret nice
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tantek hah - on the subject of building your own "CMS": http://tantek.com/log/2003/04.html#L20030423t1659
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bret i was thinking of trying to replicate http://rauchg.com/2014/7-principles-of-rich-web-applications/ but with inverted colors. the big.js slide deck has a nice default look eg
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bret http://bret.io/slides/small-modules/
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bret after groking flexbox + border-box, css is actually sorta fun
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tantek.com edited /content_management_system (+250) "/* Why write your own */ Articles advocating your own (from 2003)" (view diff)
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KevinMarks bret a bit like http://slides.kevinmarks.com/procrustes.html
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KevinMarks which is one of the default styles
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KevinMarks also, why hyphenate that instead of line breaking?
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bret because i dunno :p
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bret view source, thats the interesting bit
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kylewm notes that I like the font on bret's slides, realizes it's Arial ...
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KevinMarks reveal.js uses <section> per slide - similar
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bret arial looks great huge
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bret for some reason those slides are crashing linux browser :[ sorry bout that
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KevinMarks http://slides.kevinmarks.com/revealindex.html#/themes
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bret nice KevinMarks i'll have to check that out
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bret i've only used reveal on slid.es
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KevinMarks https://github.com/hakimel/reveal.js
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KevinMarks you cna just write straight html
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KevinMarks I also hacked it to do this workout thingy http://slides.kevinmarks.com/hict.html#/
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bret lol
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bret nice
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bret sounds like something I would do to get out of working out
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KevinMarks heh
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KevinMarks I di actually do that workout this morning
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aaronpk wow jwz.org has a lot of rel=me links!
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gregorlove.com edited /Pinterest (+552) "Screenshot sections" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Pinterest-my-profile-2015-10-01.png]]""
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Pinterest-not-loving-2015-10-01.png]]""
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bret jwz is a clickhole watch out
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gRegorLove I'd screenshot the Pinterest "add" process if it didn't require a browser extension now, apparently? Odd.
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acegiak and im ack
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acegiak s/ack/back/
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Loqi acegiak meant to say: and im back
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gRegorLove Welcome, ack :)
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KevinMarks that's because of the bookmarklet destruction that browsers did
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acegiak :P
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gRegorLove I hadn't heard about that, KevinMarks. Limit cross-site calls?
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KevinMarks https://medium.com/making-instapaper/bookmarklets-are-dead-d470d4bbb626
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aaronpk oh yeah I had to make Quill's bookmarklet open a new window instead of writing a script tag
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gRegorLove Hmm, not sure I get it. Instapaper bookmarklet still works for me.
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KevinMarks not on github
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aaronpk now the bookmarklet just redirects the window
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aaronpk which is what I do with quill for bookmarks and likes too
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gRegorLove Ah, I see. Interesting. Those Content-Security-Policy headers get long
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tantek is side-stepping all of today's rabbitholes!
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kylewm huh, I wonder if that's why my reply-to-twitter bookmarklet stopped working recently!
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aaronpk did it try to write stuff into the page?
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aaronpk twitter recently turned on that header
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aaronpk hm okay thikning about adding date-based version numbers to the filename when I archive it
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aaronpk i'll always be able to find the newest one by just looking at the filesystem and sorting, but I can also keep a pointer to the latest version as well
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kylewm aaronpk: hmm, no the script doesn't write anything into the page, it does a document.querySelector to find if you have a tweet selected, and then calls window.open
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aaronpk strange then
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kylewm it definitely prints out a Content Security Policy warning in the console when i click the bookmark
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kylewm it gives that warning even if the bookmarklet is "javascript:window.open('https://kylewm.com/new/reply?url='+window.location,target="_blank")"
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GWG acegiak: Where were we?
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GWG Sorry, my brother stopped by with an Al Capone
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acegiak GWG: was trying to work out why the cite conent is fltering out html
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GWG acegiak: I have to make the display output part more elegant. When I decided to simplify, that is still on the list.
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GWG acegiak: https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/blob/master/includes/class-kind-view.php#L168 But this is where it calls a special sanitize function
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/blob/master/includes/class-kind-view.php#L23
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GWG If you look, this is the code you contributed, just added as a function
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kylewm so I'm pretty sure Firefox is blocking any bookmarklet from running on a site with CSP
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kylewm also I guess I'm 2 years behind the curve realizing this
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gregorlove.com edited /event (+191) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ +me" (view diff)
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gRegorLove If I'm tracking concerts that I attend, so not really posting events for people to RSVP to, that's still an /event and not a /checkin, right?
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KartikPrabhu good question
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KevinMarks are they your rsvp's to the concerts?
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aaronpk gRegorLove: I post those as events right now
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KartikPrabhu no i think he is just tracking them as interesting things
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aaronpk if the event has its own URL then I show that URL as the u-url
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aaronpk example: http://aaron.pk/e4bH1
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aaronpk and http://aaron.pk/e4b61
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KartikPrabhu seem to like the "link" posts adactio does
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acegiak GWG: isn't that just for display though? The problem at themoment looks like it's to do with it being filtered out on save
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gRegorLove Not technically. They're the band names (title), start datetime, venue name + address
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gRegorLove (Re: are they rsvps)
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GWG Hmm...
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aaronpk i might actually create an event post and then also RSVP to it
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aaronpk i've done that on a few of mine before
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gRegorLove Since I'm not sending or receiving RSVPs yet, I'm treating them like I'm implicitly attending them.
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aaronpk the reason is that I want a record of the event as an actual event in my storage, since RSVPs are just a "yes/no"
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Loqi gives aaronpk a record of the event as an actual event in my storage
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acegiak GWGI'm doing some further investigation
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GWG acegiak: I'm trying to remember what I was last doing, so I could push an update without other problems. As I said..been slowed down
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acegiak yeah totally
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GWG I know what I planned on doing.
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GWG I was going to iterate the display. But I made so many changes...I know I was working on perfecting the storage also. So I might have done something in there
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GWG But I don't see anything I did
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GWG Any issues you want to file though, improvements are ongoing.
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KevinMarks so how do I do the equivalent of contain for an ig before css had contain?
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KevinMarks s/ig/img/
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Loqi KevinMarks meant to say: so how do I do the equivalent of contain for an img before css had contain?
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aaronpk *sigh* openid
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/99#issuecomment-144912536
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tantek wow
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KevinMarks OK, I'll make that change
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KevinMarks hm https://accounts.google.com/o/oauth2/auth?access_type=online&client_id=1090621701093.apps.googleusercontent.com&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fopenid.indieauth.com%2Fauth%2Fgoogle_oauth2%2Fcallback&response_type=code&scope=profile+https%3A%2F%2Fwww.googleapis.com%2Fauth%2Fuserinfo.profile+https%3A%2F%2Fwww.googleapis.com%2Fauth%2Fplus.me&state=0f5397958599ae9c76ff4a625c2708979cb13858265067fa says
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KevinMarks "The redirect URI in the request: https://openid.indieauth.com/auth/google_oauth2/callback did not match a registered redirect URI."
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KevinMarks when I try and use it to comment on blogger
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KevinMarks hm. maybe I shouldn't use google to sign inot google
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KevinMarks ok, it works if I use twitter or github
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KevinMarks gr at my headless browser making things the wrong shape
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GWG Can anyone think of use cases for a site sending a webmention to itself?
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KartikPrabhu commenting on own post, salmention propagation to comment-on-comment
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KevinMarks or an RSVP to your own event
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KartikPrabhu using webmentions to have a better "related posts" section
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KartikPrabhu yup ^
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KartikPrabhu collection posts can webmention a collected post and the collected post can display that it was collected
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GWG The related posts one is an interesting idea. Wonder what that would look like.
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voxpelli When posting a follow up to an original post WebMentioning it could be an alternative to manually update the original one
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KartikPrabhu yup ^
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acegiak so my debug methodology is to add random extra lines to error_log
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acegiak but then I have to find the specific line in the error log
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KartikPrabhu i do that too
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acegiak so now I'm at the end of an arms race with myself for visual attention in the log so that everything is capitalized
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KartikPrabhu good to sleep it is <in Yoda voice>
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acegiak GWG: it's $meta->build_meta( $cite ); that's doing it
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@calum_ryan My slides from last night's fantastic @codeHarbour are up! https://speakerdeck.com/calumryan/the-indieweb #indieweb + @IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/649861847907176448)
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acegiak GWG: swapped $data = array_merge($raw, $data ); to $data = array_merge($data, $raw );
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pfefferle good morning folks
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Loqi pfefferle: petermolnar left you a message on 9/30 at 5:41am: this might interest you: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2015/09/30/feature-plugin-merge-proposal-oembed/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-09-30/line/1443616892760
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Loqi pfefferle: acegiak left you a message on 10/1 at 7:26am: let me know if it's ok to merge in salmentions as they are into the main semantic-linkbacks so we can work on making it better code in future http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-01/line/1443709574461
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pfefferle !tell petermolnar https://github.com/swissspidy/oEmbed-API/graphs/contributors ;)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle !tell acegiak I will start a branch with salmentions and try to merge your code... I don't want to merge all into the master because (currently) it has a lot of debug stuff...
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG acegiak: If you add error_log instructions, make it conditional on WP_DEBUG being true.
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GWG Good morning.
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acegiak GWG, good morning!
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Loqi acegiak: pfefferle left you a message 28 minutes ago: I will start a branch with salmentions and try to merge your code... I don't want to merge all into the master because (currently) it has a lot of debug stuff... http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-02/line/1443779857412
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acegiak pfefferle, okiedoke!
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pfefferle GWG, acegiak good morning
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acegiak GWG: I'm not seeng the mf2_cite metadata in the postmeta table in my db for the new version of kinds. is the storage changed?
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acegiak swapping the priority on that array_merge fixed the problem where now the data I input into the fields isn't overwritten by the data pulled and parsed
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GWG Did I mix up the priority?
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GWG The storage uses cite for extra properties still
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acegiak GWG: the entered values were being replaced with the pulled values
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acegiak GWG: http://pastebin.com/N67HkFH4
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fiatjaf !tell kylewm: does bridgy support facebook nested comments? it seens that sometimes it does, sometimes it does not.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG !tell acegiak I will push that fix. Also need to get mf2 parsing in there.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk good morning!
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acegiak apparently I have to go through the whole certificate signing nonsense again now that I've renewed it?
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 34 minutes ago: I will push that fix. Also need to get mf2 parsing in there. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-02/line/1443795196783
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aaronpk yes
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acegiak i'm not a very good systems admin :/
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aaronpk heh
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acegiak even on my own system just for me
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aaronpk I have to say, I was impressed at CloudFront doing all the SSL stuff on its own completely without my involvment, it was kind of like magic
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acegiak nice
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GWG acegiak: Change pushed to Github
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acegiak GWG: coolios. I'll try it out in a minute
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GWG acegiak: I just changed the array_merge. But if you have any other suggestions or issues, always appreciated.
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acegiak GWG: oh is the wish type intended for wishlists?!
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GWG acegiak: Yes. You suggested it, but I haven't figured out the formatting on it.
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acegiak GWG: Still made me excited to see it in there
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acegiak I've been meaning to spring clean my wishlist
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GWG acegiak: If you noticed, I added a selector.
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acegiak yeah
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GWG Had a request to make it easier.
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acegiak cause none were selected when I updated :P
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pfefferle GWG I don't want to ignore your notification point... I am not sure about the best solution... So if you think it should be part of the core plugin, we can do so!
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pfefferle GWG sorry for beeing so ignorant for a long time ;)
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pfefferle GWG a son is a lot more work than expected ;)
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GWG pfefferle: I don't like the solution I had to come up with. I'm hoping to get https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/33735 into 4.4
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pfefferle GWG OK! I will press my thumbs (<- is this also working in english?)
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GWG pfefferle: The english equivalent is 'cross my fingers'.
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pfefferle GWG ah ok :D
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pfefferle GWG then I will keep my fingers crossed!
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aaronpk whoa! is "press my thumbs" german?
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pfefferle aaronpk it is: ich drücke dir die daumen
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aaronpk "i'll press my thumbs for you"?
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pfefferle aaronpk https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daumen_drücken
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voxpelli similar in swedish "I'll hold my thumbs for you"
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acegiak OK sleepytime for the Australian lady. Night all
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pfefferle aaronpk I think "I hold my thumbs" is not that offensive so I think voxpellis translation is better
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pfefferle acegiak good night :)
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Loqi ciao
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pfefferle voxpelli how do you say it in swedish?
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voxpelli pfefferle: jag hÃ¥ller tummarna för dig
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pfefferle voxpelli thanks
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pfefferle voxpelli I also love the sound of "DRAG I NÖDBROMSEN" :D
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voxpelli pfefferle: that's a special favorite to have :)
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pfefferle voxpelli "NÖDBROMSEN" is an awesome word!
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pfefferle voxpelli the german is very similar but not as funny "notbremse"
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voxpelli pfefferle: both shorter than the english "emergency brake" :)
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pfefferle voxpelli true ;)
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@krisshaffer @Maha4Learning @pbpelzel @rebeccataub I've found good things in a group @withknown blog. Webmentions & hashtags help a lot. #digped (twitter.com/_/status/649986193178804224)
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KevinMarks voxpelli: that's a new one, when the German and the Swedish come out shorter than eh English
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cleverdevil not sure if this has been shared with the group yet -> http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/
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@CaptainKurtis The #indiewebcamp side of me really wants to ensure that TextSecure doesn't become a walled garden / silo. @moxie @myriadmystic @xmikos (twitter.com/_/status/650001156207345665)
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@myriadmystic RT @CaptainKurtis: The #indiewebcamp side of me really wants to ensure that TextSecure doesn't become a walled garden / silo. @moxie @myria… (twitter.com/_/status/650005144332050432)
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KevinMarks google calendar deprecating atom feeds: https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37083#link
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aaronpk eh I never used the atom feed anyway
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KevinMarks I wonder if they would h-event the html
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@kevinmarks “it looks like the current state of the ad-funded web is a death-spiral and a race to the bottom” @cstross http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2015/09/a-question-about-the-future-of.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/650084285035114496)
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tantek kylewm: re: https://twitter.com/kylewmahan/status/649287894520066049 - huh? that's what p-name is for. perhaps more subtle a point than would fit in a tweet?
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@kylewmahan sometimes i really strongly believe that h-entry needs an explicit p-title property #microformats (twitter.com/_/status/649287894520066049)
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kylewm tantek: just the constant pain of article vs. note, sometimes i just really wish that posts with explicit titles (which is sort of the uncommon case these days) would be explicit about it
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Loqi kylewm: fiatjaf left you a message 10 hours, 53 minutes ago: does bridgy support facebook nested comments? it seens that sometimes it does, sometimes it does not. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-10-02/line/1443789656981
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tantek hmm - did this suggested resolution not work still? https://indiewebcamp.com/post-type-discovery##made%20it%20an%20OR
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tantek kylewm also - we have additional microformats2-parsing-issues on this to tighten up (make fewer) instances of implied properties: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#implied_properties_when_an_explicit_class_is_provided - thoughts?
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tantek I'd really like to fix the pain points you're seeing with this - I think it's a pretty big indicator of an important problem to solve.
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kylewm tantek: sorry, I think it's just me being an engineery person and wanting things to be explicit rather than inferred. i know that it comes down to authoring pain vs. consuming pain, and agree with you that authoring pain is more important to reduce (because the harder it is to get right, the less likely people will do it)
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kylewm tantek: here's a good example where implied name failed me by the way https://kylewm.com/2015/10/whoa-this-looks-friggin-amazing
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kylewm i haven't dug into *why* it failed yet
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kylewm acegiak: your SSL cert expired!
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tantek kylewm: interesting - from the look of that reply-context it appears she is putting h-entry on the whole page (body likely), which is definitely a recommended practice, so it's good to have that test case to make sure we get that to work
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tantek kylewm: that h-entry has no 'summary' or 'content' property thus should fall through to: https://indiewebcamp.com/post-type-discovery##Else%20it%20is%20a%20note%20post
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tantek or is this a "what's the text of the note" problem more than a post-type-discovery problem?
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tantek (just making sure I understand the specific use-case you're trying to solve for)
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tantek (I do feel like we're a lot closer to handling all the cases we've seen)
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tantek FYI I used this parsed output: http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=http%3A%2F%2Facegiak.net%2F2015%2F10%2F01%2Fciipherscuphead-2016-a-single-player-or-co-op-run-and%2F&callback=&dateformat=auto
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kylewm ohh you know, I was looking at the "content" inside the nested h-cite, I didn't realize the h-entry itself didn't hvae a content
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kylewm that would explain why i couldn't get useful info from it