#indiewebcamp 2015-11-02

2015-11-02 UTC
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acegiak
Howdy folks!
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GWG
acegiak!!
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GWG
Long time no type
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acegiak
Yeah that happens :/
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acegiak
I get super busy
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GWG
Me too at times.
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GWG
Though I'm counting down to IWC MIT
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acegiak
Neato.
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acegiak
Does anyone know if I have any outstanding indieweb tasks? Was I doing something for snarfed with salmentions?
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snarfed
acegiak: i'd definitely love to see your and pfefferle's semantic-linkbacks forks merge so that salmentions are fully supported!
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GWG
acegiak: Cleaning up the salmentions code so it can go stable
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GWG
snarfed: Micropub work is on hold again due medical. Will resume soon. Vacation next week
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snarfed
GWG: no worries! these are all side projects, for fun, no pressure or deadlines
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GWG
snarfed: I like to feel like I have accomplished something
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GWG
acegiak, snarfed: Maybe you two can help me
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GWG
I'm trying to think of a good WordPress Indieweb project for IWC MIT
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acegiak
GWG: not sure. my biggest itch from last week was a quick and easy way to indieweb reply to a tweet on my android
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acegiak
my greasemonkey script does a good job on desktop but last week because I was doing so much networking I ended up not bothering with indieweb posting and just reply tweeting in the native app interface
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GWG
acegiak: I could get that on the WordPress side, but the Android side is not something I know much about.
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acegiak
yeah exactly
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GWG
Just looking for a nice day project idea. I may come up with one on my own
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acegiak
I need to work out a way to handle android intents
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mlncn.withknown.com
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[snarfed]
GWG: maybe SWAT0?
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GWG
Hmmm
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acegiak
snarfed: the bookmarklet free thing is looking interesting
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[snarfed]
works well
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GWG
Bookmarklet free gave me some issues
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acegiak
none of the twitter clients I've tested will separate the tweet and the url
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acegiak
but that's ok I can make my plugin that reads URL parameters into the posting form manually handle the string that plume shares
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GWG
acegiak: I wrote something on that. I was thinking of adding it back into Post Kinds.
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acegiak
GWG: I'd prefer not to have it bundled in like that atm
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acegiak
GWG: have you seen prepoppost?
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GWG
acegiak: No
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GWG
acegiak: Not bundled in exactly. It is something already built into WordPress. You can specify the taxonomy as a query string
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acegiak
prepoppost let's you specify any field in the post screen in the query string
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[kevinmarks]
I have my creaky twitter client that turns tweets into android notifications selectively. I could update that to have a "reply by webmention" action maybe
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@IndieWriterSupp
#IndieWriterSupp My first novel is available on Amazon! #IndieAuth...: ... https://www.facebook.com/login.php @IndieWriterSupp
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tantek
!tell shaners the reason I asked (and brought it up) is because in reading the CoC presuming good intentions, I have difficulty seeing anything explicitly against the letter of what it's stating. Hence looking for more intuitive/gut guidance what is the "right" thing to do, and how we can encourage that in CoC.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek
mlncn: lol affect/effect - English grammar documenters have long given up on that fight and explicitly allow either for either.
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tantek
(though I don't mind the OCD aspect myself ;) )
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KartikPrabhu
english grammar; what a thing!
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KartikPrabhu
maybe we in a few years we'll all say "should of" when we mean "should have"
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mlncn
Trying to finish up a blog post for the Drupal Planet i've been sitting on for five months... loosening up on English grammar maybe would speed up my writing progress...
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KartikPrabhu
mlncn: I don't understand the last "but [URL]" it seems to validate fine on indiewebify
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mlncn
KartikPrabhu: just unfinished text, now complete: http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb
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voxpelli
mlncn: you're making IndieWeb in Drupal?
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voxpelli
I've done much Drupal in the past and also are doing some Drupal work at the moment
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petermolnar
voxpelli I ran away from drupal a long, long time ago when I looked at the code of drupal 6
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petermolnar
but it would be an extremely useful happening if someone would add indieweb options to drupal
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@steenstory
RT ninavrye Illustration: https://instagram.com/p/9lBLoJqyL6/ Story: http://ninavrye.com/collaboration/november-1-to-fly/ #AmWriting #fiction #writing #art #followme #IndieAuth…
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acegiak
anyone able to tell me why this: http://pastebin.com/HwzHk0Cp doesn't split my string up properly? https://acegiak.net/files/2015/11/Screenshot-021115-223330.png
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petermolnar
acegiak, what do you expect and what is the result instead?
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acegiak
I should be getting the tweet text in [1] the username in [2] and the status id in [3]
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acegiak
and it the regex does that in my regextester
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petermolnar
do you have an example string?
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acegiak
second line in the screenshot is the string being matched in this test, third line is the regex :/
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acegiak
works in tester, browser doesn't like it :/
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petermolnar
[0-9]+)\/?\W*(|Shared via .*?)$
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petermolnar
the text is [number]Shared via
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petermolnar
you're checking for a non-word character there
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petermolnar
and there is nothing in between the status number and the Shared
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petermolnar
ah, I didn't spot the *
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acegiak
yeah I threw that in there incase there was a weird whitespace unicode whatever that I couldn't see
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acegiak
I guess I don't need the \/? cause the \W* covers it
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petermolnar
the only thing I can spot is the twitter.com the . is not escaped
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acegiak
yeah but a . will still cover a .
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acegiak
yeah I can't work it out
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petermolnar
why the | ?
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voxpelli
what's the string you're applying it to?
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acegiak
make the shared via optional
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petermolnar
why not ? after the group capture?
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acegiak
petermolnar: habit from doing exclusion captures
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petermolnar
ok; I don't really see why it's not working
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petermolnar
to be honest
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petermolnar
in theory, it should
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voxpelli
acegiak: if you make a JSBin / Codepin with all data required to run it, it would be easier to help :/
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voxpelli
acegiak: your initial "^(.*?)" grabs everything
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voxpelli
is my guess
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voxpelli
or no, shouldn't be speaking too soon
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mblaney
voxpelli is right, take out the g :-)
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mblaney
(hello btw)
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acegiak
mblaney: oh that's super weird. thankyou!
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acegiak
can you explain what's happening there so I don't make the same mistake again?
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mblaney
no worries caught me looking at js regex's myself!
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mblaney
like voxpelli said, the global flag will try and match as many times as it can, so your initial .* catches everything
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acegiak
Shouldn't the ? Make it lazy though?
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voxpelli
apparently not lazy enough with the g-flag, but otherwise, yeah, seems like it – didn't know that trick
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mblaney
yes it matches the minimum number of characters again and again.... I think.
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acegiak
Lesson learned. (.*?) Is a form I use all the time but obvs behaves slightly differently in that context
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voxpelli
acegiak: I believe the "g" in javascript also eg. makes it impossible to reuse a regexp multiple times, so I try to avoid it
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mblaney
my lesson for the day is not to leave backups on the server you are backing up... not very useful when the disk fails :-P
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GWG
Good morning
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pfefferle
good morning
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GWG
I was thinking about SWAT0 and may try to improve my Semantic Notification plugin to cover that. Add in Pushover support.
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voxpelli
Would be cool to have more verified SWAT0 participants
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voxpelli
(I'm very close to be able to do it, but have been blocked from progressing by client work for the last couple of weeks)
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GWG
I am going to tackle the notification requirements. I am not big on picture tagging
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mlncn
right now Agaric is just marking up our site for IndieWeb, making Drupal easily implement every IndieWeb protocol is a goal but one which we aren't alone on and hope many will join in on doing...
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petermolnar
what is SWAT0?
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Loqi
SWAT0 is an abbreviation for The Social Web Acid Test level 0 and is a user-feature interoperability test for social web functionality defined in 2010 https://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0
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singpolyma
GWG: SWAT0 as I read it doesn't have to be "picture tagging" so much as "there is a picture, and alice mentions bob in the post containing the picture" (facebook-style "tag")
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voxpelli
mlncn: there will be a module for enabling Pubsubhubbub feeds soon
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GWG
I am going to focus on notification improvements though.
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mlncn
sweet
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voxpelli
what is person tag?
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Loqi
A person tag (AKA people tag) is a special kind of tag that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tag by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card https://indiewebcamp.com/person-tag
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voxpelli
Probably would still be such a one
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GWG
For WordPress, as is my custom.
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voxpelli
mlncn: that module will also support pinging HTML-pages with eg. mf2-markup on them
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mlncn
voxpelli: is there a module, sandbox, or github i should point interested Drupalistas at? Only active project we know is https://www.drupal.org/project/vinculum and i wanted to check with Dan Feidt / HongPong before emphasizing that... we do intend to keep blogging about IndieWeb to Drupal (and anyone else we can reach) as we slowly walk the talk
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voxpelli
mlncn: it will be a new version of https://www.drupal.org/project/multiping
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voxpelli
I will wrap it up and push it soon + announce it
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mlncn
voxpelli: excellent
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voxpelli
mlncn: btw, missing you from the list at https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people :)
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mlncn
heh, will remedy that!
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petermolnar
GWG, for people tagging are you planning to use a custom taxonomy to store people?
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GWG
I hadn't planned on tackling that yet, but I had wanted to store hcards as roleless users.
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ben_thatmustbeme
singpolyma++
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Loqi
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@kevinmarks
“the standard knock against Twitter became “I don’t want everyone to see what I have to say.”” @yayitsrob http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/conversation-smoosh-twitter-decay/412867/ #indieweb
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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indie-visitor
hi mates, whacha doin` :)
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
Homebrew Website Club meetup this week!
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tantek
assuming Portland is on because aaronpk will pull it off somehow - maybe even get VIew Source conference attendees to show up!
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tantek
Jeena: are you own for Göteborg this week? Assuming yes :)
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tantek
And Jeremy just let me know yesterday that no Brighton this week
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kylewm
any chance jeremy can make it to SF HWC?
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GWG
kylewm: I wish I could come. It could top my last SF visit when I got abandoned by a cable car
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tantek
kylewm: unfortunately not - he flies out tomorrow night!
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kylewm
blast!
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tantek
hey rhiaro aaronpk GWG et al - just posted this quick description about IWC MIT in the Mozilla sched for this week: https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2015-11-02#Saturday.2C_07_November
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GWG
Mozillians?
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ben_thatmustbeme
ack, i wanted to get my management of people working before IWC to show off
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tantek.com
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GWG
ben_thatmustbeme: Anything is good.
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: I feel you - I have so many things I'd wanted to get done / ready *before* IWC!
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tantek
feeling the end-of-the-year crunch already
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GWG
snarfed gave me an idea for something I could accomplish in a day or so.
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tantek
great! did you capture it on your User page itches list?
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GWG
Will be
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ben_thatmustbeme
meetup.com also has pretty good discoverability for some people really looking for groups to get involved with
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tantek.com
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tantek
Hey everybody - ben_thatmustbeme created an Eventbrite for easier ticketing for IndieWebCamp MIT this weekend: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/indiewebcamp-mit-tickets-19365476662
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tantek
Please share with your friends and colleagues in the MIT / Cambridge / Boston area, and anyone in the vicinity that could easily travel (e.g. by train from NYC)
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tantek
and of course, go sign-up on the Eventbrite (aaronpk rhiaro sandro) so that their promotion algorithms pass the event along to others in the area!
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kylewm
Loqi, can you give me an HWC logo?
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tantek.com
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tantek
aaronpk: do we have confirmed food/sponsors for IWC MIT? Per https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/MIT/Schedule
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tantek
!tell aaronpk can you pick a venue for HWC Portland this week? Perhaps convenient for View Source attendees to go to after the conference / before their after party? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-04-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell Jeena can you pick a venue for HWC Göteborg this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-04-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell aaronpk just realized the View Source after party is at 17:00! Then perhaps just plan HWC PDX nearby to Ground Kontrol and closer to 18:30? Make sense?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
heeello
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 13 minutes ago: can you pick a venue for HWC Portland this week? Perhaps convenient for View Source attendees to go to after the conference / before their after party? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-04-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-02/line/1446495234767
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message 11 minutes ago: just realized the View Source after party is at 17:00! Then perhaps just plan HWC PDX nearby to Ground Kontrol and closer to 18:30? Make sense? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-02/line/1446495390298
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aaronpk
i was just thinking about HWC this week
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aaronpk
didn't realize the party was at 5
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jeena.net
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Jeena
 tantek, done, and it`s the first thing I wrote on my new Dvorak keyboard
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Loqi
Jeena: tantek left you a message 20 minutes ago: can you pick a venue for HWC Göteborg this week? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-04-homebrew-website-club#Where http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-02/line/1446495296329
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[jonnybarnes]
anyone here know how to change the color of an svg icon with css?
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Jeena
and it takes forever to write anything, but it`s fun!
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[jonnybarnes]
and cant get the repost icon to be a different colour
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Jeena
I guess you have to do it with JS
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singpolyma
[jonnybarnes]: with CSS inside the SVG or outside? how are you embedding the SVG?
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singpolyma
oh, with img tag
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singpolyma
I don't think you can reach inside an img tag
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singpolyma
I'd suggest using directly-embedded SVG
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@brennannovak
@zooko if I understand you correctly, the #IndieWeb approach to that is with a "reader" app http://indiewebcamp.com/readers @wiretapped
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[jonnybarnes]
that’s what I’ve resorted too, I’ll just need to remember to update the svg files if I ever change the colour of my links
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singpolyma
jonnybarnes: ? oh, you made seperate SVG files for each colour instead of embedding?
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kevinmarks
jonathan and kartik did this a whiel ago, hang on
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[jonnybarnes]
singpolyma: no, I mean I added a fill: #123456 to the svg file
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[jonnybarnes]
if I ever change the colour of links in my CSS, then the SVGs will still be the old colour
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[jonnybarnes]
doesn’t seem very DRY but meh
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singpolyma
kevinmarks: ooh! using xlink is a good addition
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kevinmarks
if you can inline the SVG, that saves more roundtrips too - depending on how compelx the SVGs are that can be a saving
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singpolyma
[jonnybarnes]: right. better to inline the SVG in your app. or use xlink as the article kevinmarks just linked suggests
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tantek
what is SVG?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "SVG" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105q
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singpolyma
kevinmarks++
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Loqi
kevinmarks has 179 karma
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tantek
kevinmarks: perhaps start that page and collect links there?
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kevinmarks
SVG is Scalable Vector Graphics, a way of avoiding pixel images implemented in all modern browsers. See also [[svgur]]
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loqi.me
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what is svgur
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "svgur" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/105r
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kevinmarks
svgur is [http://svgur.com] an indieweb friendly site for sharing SVG files that supports [[h-entry]] and [[webmention]] and creates bitmap previews for silos that are too retro to cope with vectors.
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[jonnybarnes]
this all I’m doing now: https://jonnybarnes.uk/notes (I know the top note didn’t get syndicated)
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davidpeach
my god is the flickr API kickin my ass
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davidpeach
bloody oauth
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aaronpk
aw really? it's pretty solid
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aaronpk
oh yeah except it's OAuth 1 so it's complicated
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aaronpk
you should be able to find an API wrapper that handles most of that for you
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singpolyma
aaronpk: unless you have a library...
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aaronpk
using a library is the only way to deal with OAuth 1
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davidpeach
got past the user auth and back to my site, but now signing the next step is wrong
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singpolyma
kevinmarks: svgur is yours? would be nice if stuff on there were licensed in some way
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aaronpk
davidpeach: definitely use a library, and then just make sure you're passing in all the config secrets to the library
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singpolyma
aaronpk: using a library is the only way to do any security protocol. Otherwise you'll 100% definitely get something wrong and introduce a new attack surface
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kevinmarks
it's an 'upload it yourself' site; the svg filss can have licenses in
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singpolyma
kevinmarks: hmm. I suppose they can
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singpolyma
I wonder how hard it would be to parse that metadata out and display it on the page, if present.
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davidpeach
@aaronpk may go that route soon. I started it as a bit of a dev challenge for myself.
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aaronpk
davidpeach: oh my. I definitely do not recommend writing code for OAuth 1 yourself.
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singpolyma
davidpeach: or any other auth/crypto/security code. libraries always
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davidpeach
i just wanted to see if i could - its just for posseing photos to flickr
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aaronpk
if you do want to write it yourself, write it as a library
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kevinmarks
view-source:http://svgur.com/i/2a.svg has a cc:Work without any actual copyright info
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singpolyma
kevinmarks: I think inkscape generates the cc metadata by default always, even when blank
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kevinmarks
though it has a copyright notice burnt into the image http://svgur.com/s/2a
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aaronpk
there is pretty much 0 reason to write a Flickr API client from scratch at this point tho
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davidpeach
can you recommend a good one pls?
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aaronpk
what language?
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davidpeach
I am using guzzle atm for twitter
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davidpeach
but that already knows the tokens
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davidpeach
with flickr I need to manually auth it first before getting tokens i believe
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aaronpk
I think the last time I used a php flickr library I used this one https://github.com/Anahkiasen/flickering
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kevinmarks
could you use granary?
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aaronpk
using a web service to talk to flickr is a whole different story. i would not always necessarily recommend that
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davidpeach
so with flickering, that handshake method - is that basically doing that whole back and forth?
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aaronpk
here's an example of setting it up for OAuth https://github.com/Anahkiasen/flickering#authentified-calls
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tantek
aaronpk: could you document that about Flickr in /Flickr#API ?
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davidpeach
thanks. I'll give it a try
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kevinmarks.com
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kevinmarks
(depending on what you;re doing, the idno plugins model may be useful)
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snarfed
kylewm: mind looking at some point?
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snarfed
kevinmarks: thanks for the report, feel free to file an issue
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snarfed
we should definitely find and use that link...but as a workaround, if you add known.kevinmarks.com to your flickr profile and re-auth, it should work via your syndication link
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kevinmarks
as that's the standard Known -> flickr propagation, worth fixing
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kylewm
kevinmarks: snarfed: I definitely will, thanks for the heads up
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kylewm
snarfed: wait, I thought we ignored links that didn't have a domain == user's domain
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kylewm
posse-post-discovery can't find it because it's not on the first page of http://known.kevinmarks.com/content/all/
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kevinmarks
ah, so if I post a new one it will work, it's the backfilling not quite working
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snarfed
kylewm: we demote them to mention, but i think they should still show up as webmention targets on his user page
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kylewm
snarfed: in that case wouldn't it interpret the photo itself as a mention of Kevin's post, but not backfeed the responses to the mention?
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snarfed
kylewm: ah, if they're all likes, you're right
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kevinmarks
ah, I see
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snarfed
thanks!
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kevinmarks
there is a <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/19508258254/" rel="syndication" class="u-syndication flickr"><i class="fa fa-flickr"></i> Flickr</a>
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snarfed
that synd url is on known.kevinmarks.com, right?
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snarfed
you need to add that url to your flickr profile and re-auth so we know to crawl it :P
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kevinmarks
it's on the linked page, but the url isn't matching becasue flickr is annoying
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snarfed
ah. right. we don't crawl links in silo posts. at least not to search for synd urls
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kevinmarks
the flickr page has <link id="canonicalurl" rel="canonical" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/19508258254" data-dynamic-added-by="bb44774707b5780000000000000000000000000000000" data-dynamic="true" />
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kevinmarks
ah, I thought if you were crawling it for a webmention endpoint, you might find it
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snarfed
we do crawl for wm endpoint, we just don't also look for synd urls
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snarfed
we could!
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kylewm
huh, that would make a lot of sense
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kevinmarks
you'd still have to unmangle the flickr one, but looks like useful info
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kylewm
kevinmarks: we do replace flickr username with user-id when canonicalizing the url
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kevinmarks
ah, OK. the link on the bridgy page was the obfuscated one
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tantek
reads logs
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tantek
interesting about the many URLs of Flick permalinks - pretty sure Flickr themselves are consistent about the "canonical" URL of a (photo|video) post on Flickr - that should help right?
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