#indiewebcamp 2015-11-05

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tantek what is a quote tweet?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "quote tweet" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1067
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tantek A quote tweet, also known as a "retweet with comment", is a reply on [[Twitter]] to an original tweet that displays the entirety of the original in a [[reply-context]] below the reply text.
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tantek oops
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tantek A quote tweet is a reply on [[Twitter]] to an original tweet that displays the entirety of the original in a [[reply-context]] below the reply text.
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loqi.me created /quote_tweet (+173) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-04/line/1446682243370 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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kevinmarks see http://www.kevinmarks.com/mentionquote.html
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tantek.com edited /quote_tweet (+4) "/* Bridgy support */ linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /quote_tweet (+174) "articles with kevinmarks post" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /quote_tweet (+135) "Twitter doc, quote tweet as part of retweet" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /quote_tweet (+173) "Examples" (view diff)
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kevinmarks what is a quote tweet?
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Loqi quote tweet (also known as a "retweet with comment") is a reply on Twitter to an original tweet that displays the entirety of the original in a reply-context below the reply text https://indiewebcamp.com/quote_tweet
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kevinmarks.com edited /quote_tweet (+2) "grammar" (view diff)
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aaronpk now at Pints for HWC PDX
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aaronpk got totally derailed today and forgot what i was in the middle of with my site
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aaronpk maybe i can fix that indieauth.com bug first. that seems good.
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snarfed1 lol
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tantek all setup here in SF for HWC SF!
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aaronpk well this is interesting, my t.co link works fine. it must only break for new t.co links
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aaronpk yuuup
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aaronpk just updated my twitter profile and now it's broke
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[kevinmarks] odd
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aaronpk apparently i shoudl have just moved HWC to http://calagator.org/events/1250469329 today
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Loqi PDX Ethereum on Wednesday, Nov 4, 7:00pm at Lucky Labrador Brew Pub
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[snarfed] aaronpk: I'm guessing your old tco link was http and the new one is https?
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[snarfed] they switched tco to always https for new links recently
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aaronpk yeah, for whatever reason, my twitter profile still linked to http t.co
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[snarfed] old tco links were preserved
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aaronpk i guess that's good
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wagle dietrich: you around?
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kevinmarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/661630515720552448
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tantek we're informally talking about reacji
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@kevinmarks 🌟 https://twitter.com/Suw/status/661613884931833856 (twitter.com/_/status/661630515720552448)
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tantek here in SF
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aaronpk in pdx, wagle is demoing his bookmark + wiki setup he uses for organizing everything
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wagle wonders what reacji is
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wagle ah
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aaronpk okay just made a fix to prep for the actual t.co fix
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kevinmarks what is reacji?
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Loqi reacji is an emoji reaction, the use of a single emoji character in response to a post, introduced as a feature by Slack[1] https://indiewebcamp.com/reacji
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aaronpk \o/
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aaronpk t.co fix is done
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tantek realizing I forgot to RSVP to tonight's HWC SF indie event and FB POSSE copy
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tantek (until just now)
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tantek and thus I forgot to invite all the people from previous events to the FB POSSE copy - and thus they didn't get personally notified
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tantek thus it's me, kevinmarks, kylewm tonight at HWC SF
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aaronpk man apparently i broke something a while ago that made indieauth.com stop returning good error messages when no link is found
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tantek.com edited /reacjweet (+133) "linky, examples, see also" (view diff)
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@t To star tweets, @kevinmarks uses quote tweet with 🌟, a #reacji tweet, or a “#reacjweet”: https://indiewebcamp.com/reacjweet (ttk.me t4e32) (twitter.com/_/status/662100018313064448)
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aaronpk reacjweet should really not be a word
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aaronpk reacji is bad enough
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tantek kevinmarks: https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-04#t1446680265027
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kevinmarks http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-04/line/1446680867601
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aaronpk did you just quote IRC lines to each other... *in IRC*??
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tantek kevinmarks: https://www.google.com/search?q=Portmanteaumagehrd
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tantek what I meant was: https://www.google.com/search?q="portmantermahgerd"
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kevinmarks we were hoping loqi would inline them
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tantek https://www.google.com/search?q=portmantermahgerd
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aaronpk i still do need to do that
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aaronpk expanding h-entry like Loqi expands tweets
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tantek.com edited /reacjweet (+232) "more examples" (view diff)
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tantek totally sidejacked talking about star vs heart vs fave vs like
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tantek Flickr is one of the last social media "star" - "favorite" holdouts now
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tantek wonder how long that will last before they cave-in to hearts / likes
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tantek an emojweet in the wild: https://twitter.com/linguangst/status/662073791183527936
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@linguangst 🛄 (twitter.com/_/status/662073791183527936)
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tantek from a "phd student studying anonymity, trolling, online harassment." https://twitter.com/linguangst
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tantek I have never seen a brand/company *subtweet* an individual (!?!) https://twitter.com/linguangst/status/662034582607421440
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@linguangst GUYS NOW APPLEBEE'S IS SUBTWEETING ME WTH [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/662034582607421440)
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tantek and https://twitter.com/linguangst/status/662034582607421440
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@linguangst GUYS NOW APPLEBEE'S IS SUBTWEETING ME WTH [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/662034582607421440)
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tantek this one: https://twitter.com/linguangst/status/662059873379708928
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@linguangst cool, more subtweets. thanks for helping me "chill," a*pplebee's [photo] (twitter.com/_/status/662059873379708928)
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tantek found via emojitracker.com - last emoji - baggage claim - recent tweet - a baggage claim icon by itself (see emojweet above) - clicked on profile - found all the AppleBees harrassing her. Crazy corp social media account.
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KartikPrabhu what is going on in that thread!
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "going on in that thread!" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1068
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KartikPrabhu that's a corporate account that seems quite committed to trolling hard
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tantek speaking of corporate restaurant chains, once in a while my @-mentions reveal gems like this one: https://twitter.com/tarajortiz/status/662103323500261377
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@tarajortiz @t Olive Garden with the Fam 👨”ðŸ‘©”ðŸ‘§”ðŸ‘§ (twitter.com/_/status/662103323500261377)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: a small Homebrew Website Club tonight because we forgot to invite people… (twitter.com/_/status/662111185802760193)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the lesson learned is that personal invitations to events make a measureable difference (twitter.com/_/status/662111550115827712)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: (lots of discussion of 💗and🌟and 😱discussions, thinking about emoji reactions (twitter.com/_/status/662112177936064512)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we looked at http://emojitracker.com and noticed that most emoji there are used positively, with 😂at almost a billion (twitter.com/_/status/662112807077486592)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: then we looked at the least popular emoji and found Applebees trolling a PhD student 🍎🐝https://twitter.com/linguangst/status/662034582607421440 tip @techmeme (twitter.com/_/status/662113208828887041)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: a small Homebrew Website Club tonight because we forgot to invite people… (twitter.com/_/status/662113446490734592)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I've fixed some interesting brid.gy bugs this week with flickr and photo posse (twitter.com/_/status/662113820316475397)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: I've fixed some interesting brid.gy bugs this week with flickr and photo posse (twitter.com/_/status/662113884954718208)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I used photo posse to twitter at TPAC and saw a brid.gy publish bug that kyle fixed (twitter.com/_/status/662113997655842816)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: I used photo posse to twitter at TPAC and saw a brid.gy publish bug that kyle fixed (twitter.com/_/status/662114092027543552)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I started working on letting people login to my site with facebook and twitter as well as indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/662114435855724545)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: I started working on letting people login to my site with facebook and twitter as well as indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/662114504742866944)
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@Fullteck RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: then we looked at the least popular emoji and found Applebees trolling a PhD student 🍎🐝https://t.co/LAjBP0wSH… (twitter.com/_/status/662115051810250752)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I was trying to set up facebook login using oauthdropins and found you now need to do a lot of config to get an app (twitter.com/_/status/662115861675835392)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: the hard problem of multiple logins is when the user forgets which one they used last time -was it facebook or google (twitter.com/_/status/662116027233402880)
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@oevl RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: the hard problem of multiple logins is when the user forgets which one they used last time -was it f… (twitter.com/_/status/662117328415518720)
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@pulseovtech RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: the hard problem of multiple logins is when the user forgets which one they used last time -was it f… (twitter.com/_/status/662117973923115008)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: can we rebind users via rel="me" links, via shared email addresses, via matching profile photos? (twitter.com/_/status/662119180276207616)
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tantek FYI https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club is the two year anniversary of the creation of Homebrew Website Club!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: in 2 weeks, our Homebrew Website Club celebrates its second anniversary, so I'll bring cake and we should invite more people (twitter.com/_/status/662120017102807040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I'm thinking about making breaking changes to my own site software, and wondering about my users (twitter.com/_/status/662120727387226112)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: the difference now is that you fork first and ask permission later - github changed this (twitter.com/_/status/662121587831914496)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: last night I updated @falcon to switch from star to heart on my icon that falls back to twitter (twitter.com/_/status/662121770510626816)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I realised that my site ahs been showing twitter likes as hearts for ages because of http://webmention.herokuapp.com (twitter.com/_/status/662121987402285056)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: can we rebind users via rel="me" links, via shared email addresses, via matching profile photos? (twitter.com/_/status/662122013520060417)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I noticed yesterday that we have more people posting jams than rsvps in indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/662122148375502848)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I ended up redoing all the layout on my site to make my post footers look better, now I need to test on mobile (twitter.com/_/status/662122312314068992)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: in 2 weeks, our Homebrew Website Club celebrates its second anniversary, so I'll bring cake and we should inv… (twitter.com/_/status/662122340411510784)
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@WillaCassandra_ RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: in 2 weeks, our Homebrew Website Club celebrates its second anniversary, so I'll bring cake and we should inv… (twitter.com/_/status/662122361764868096)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: in 2 weeks, our Homebrew Website Club celebrates its second anniversary, so I'll bring cake and we should inv… (twitter.com/_/status/662122362930900992)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: I'm thinking about making breaking changes to my own site software, and wondering about my users (twitter.com/_/status/662122364457603072)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: the difference now is that you fork first and ask permission later - github changed this (twitter.com/_/status/662122365778833408)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: last night I updated @falcon to switch from star to heart on my icon that falls back to twitter (twitter.com/_/status/662122367154593792)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: I realised that my site ahs been showing twitter likes as hearts for ages because of https://t.co/ra… (twitter.com/_/status/662122367938895873)
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@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: I noticed yesterday that we have more people posting jams than rsvps in indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/662122369302007808)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: I'm thinking about making breaking changes to my own site software, and wondering about my users (twitter.com/_/status/662122615406882816)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: the difference now is that you fork first and ask permission later - github changed this (twitter.com/_/status/662122942822641664)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: last night I updated @falcon to switch from star to heart on my icon that falls back to twitter (twitter.com/_/status/662122964171649024)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: I realised that my site ahs been showing twitter likes as hearts for ages because of https://t.co/ra… (twitter.com/_/status/662123018773135365)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: I noticed yesterday that we have more people posting jams than rsvps in indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/662123057859858433)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: I ended up redoing all the layout on my site to make my post footers look better, now I need to test on mobile (twitter.com/_/status/662123188638187521)
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wagle busy busy busy!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: there is an opportunity to replace bootstrap with a framework based on flexbox, instead of 1/12ths of width (twitter.com/_/status/662123460433469440)
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wagle oic, its not commits
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: there is an opportunity to replace bootstrap with a framework based on flexbox, instead of 1/12ths o… (twitter.com/_/status/662124186035326976)
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@kevinmarks Yes: Happy birthday Homebrew Website Club #indieweb http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/yes-happy-birthday-homebrew-website-club-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/662125127123865600)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: Yes: Happy birthday Homebrew Website Club #indieweb http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/yes-happy-birthday-homebrew-website-club-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/662125427243139072)
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tantek I think that's the most in advance that I've RSVP'd to a Homebrew Website Club meetup! https://twitter.com/t/status/662124337361633280
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@t going to Homebrew Website Club 17:30 @MozSF 2015-11-18! indie event https://kylewm.com/2015/11/sf-homebrew-website-club-1 silo https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser (ttk.me t4e33) (twitter.com/_/status/662124337361633280)
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tantek and that's a wrap for HWC SF - we went a bit over tonight
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tantek and forgot to take a photo of the three of us
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tantek next HWC is in Edinburgh next Tuesday the 10th!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: in 2 weeks it's the 2nd anniversary of Homebrew Website Club, so there will be cake—tell your friends https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/662128303411736576)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-39) "Edinburgh & MIT!" (view diff)
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kevinmarks http://41.media.tumblr.com/52d236b09a7b9e8228f528f5f2cc65a3/tumblr_nx3issd2Zd1r35v94o1_500.jpg
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@Valerie_Janelle RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: in 2 weeks it's the 2nd anniversary of Homebrew Website Club, so there will be cake—tell your friends https:/… (twitter.com/_/status/662130484047147008)
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@kevinmarks Note's from tonight's Homebrew Website Club ♥️😂🌟 on my site http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-11-04.html See you in a fortnight #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/662130882686283776)
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@ShirlLacsamana RT @kevinmarks: Note's from tonight's Homebrew Website Club ♥️😂🌟 on my site http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-11-04.html See you in a fortnight #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/662133783890628608)
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kevinmarks.com edited /events/2015-11-04-homebrew-website-club (+70) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich Finished upgrading to @withknown 0.8.5. #indieweb #FTW http://assets.withknown.com/releases/known-0.8.5.zip http://stream.boffosocko.com (twitter.com/_/status/662150551115689984)
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@valb00 RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: then we looked at the least popular emoji and found Applebees trolling a PhD student 🍎🐝https://t.co/LAjBP0wSH… (twitter.com/_/status/662166551387226112)
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petermolnar Loqi, what is tsu?
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petermolnar wow, no Loqi?
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[number5] What is tsu?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tsu" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1069
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petermolnar Loqi doesn't answer me :(
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Loqi *sniff*
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petermolnar.eu created /tsu.co (+17) "Redirected page to [[tsu]]" (view diff)
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@RikMende the lovely thing I really like about #Indieweb when using @WithKnown is that it actually gives you http://www.rmendes.net/2015/the-lovely-thing-i-really-like-about-indieweb-posse-when #ownyourweb (twitter.com/_/status/662232522282147840)
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@RikMende RT @kevinmarks: Yes: Happy birthday Homebrew Website Club #indieweb http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/yes-happy-birthday-homebrew-website-club-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/662232776637292544)
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@schnarfed @amitp you should come hang out with us at @indiewebcamp! (twitter.com/_/status/662281288712257536)
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ben_thatmustbeme *cricket*
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snarfed heh
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ben_thatmustbeme quiet today
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snarfed is thinking about silo + indieweb SWAT0
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@quinnnorton The event I'm speaking at is about a FOSS tool for media org crowdfunding, created by @WFMU. It's very in-line with #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/662333866225614848)
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kylewm can you elaborate on what that means a little snarfed?
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snarfed totally! so, http://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0 has three separate actors
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snarfed we've currently done it with them using indieweb sites
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snarfed it'd be cool if any or all of them could also do it on silos, interoperating via posse/backfeed
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snarfed might be possible with as little as just one of them with an indieweb site and posse/backfeed
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snarfed heads off to tag the required bridgy feature requests
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snarfed doh, switched bridgy's cert before OCSP had fully propagated. it's down right now. :(
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snarfed ok, kinda back, mostly
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snarfed www is still broken, but meh
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snarfed https://indiewebcamp.com/https#OCSP
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kylewm yep that one always gets me
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kylewm requires more patience than i have
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@lucindajanehare RT @AuckwardLove: It's all coming together... http://www.auckwardloveseries.com #fuckyeah #indieweb #comingsoon @emmettskilton @lucindajanehare https… (twitter.com/_/status/662337807264800768)
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snarfed ok i think these are what bridgy would need to implement all SWAT0 actors as silo actors: http://indiewebcamp.com/SWAT0
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snarfed not too bad actually
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snarfed er sorry make that https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/labels/SWAT0
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[zero-gravitas] what is ethereum?
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Loqi Ethereum is a project that implements a bitcoin/cryptocurrency like block chain used for sending around "contracts" https://indiewebcamp.com/Ethereum
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[zero-gravitas] Is this really a thing: https://www.ethereum.org
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gRegorLove The website is. The product? Who knows. :)
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[zero-gravitas] Wow, that whole blockchain/decentralize the web thing is a huge rabbit hole
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[zero-gravitas] fascinating though
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk ethereum looks like an alternate attempt at what ipfs is doing
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Calli hello, I'm interested in writing a microformats parser and have a question...
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Calli so the parsing algorithm on the wiki seems to put all link rel="author" at page scope
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Calli but the HTML spec says that link rel="author" is scoped to an article element
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Calli sorry - I mean A rel
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Calli "A", not "LINK"
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Calli anyway so HTML says <a rel="author"> is scoped to <article>
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Calli but microformats parsing page says <a rel="author"> is scoped to the page
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voxpelli Calli: the HTML spec says to closest article or page, but anyhow – I believe the microformats 2 parsers treats all rels the same: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parse_a_hyperlink_element_for_rel_microformats
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Calli Have I understood correctly? And if so, does anyone have any advice on how to reconcile this difference in specs
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Calli @voxpelli - exactly - HTML says one thing, MF2 parsers do something else
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Calli So I'm interested in extracting real-world data and I'm not too concerned about conformance with a particular spec
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Calli But it seems like people here probably have experience with reconciling the difference?
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voxpelli there's some data loss, yes, mf2 itself uses something like eg. the p-author class on an h-entry instead when it wants to define author: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry
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voxpelli generally my impression is that mf2 is moving away from using link relations
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voxpelli Calli: there's also the #microformats room that's more dedicated to microformats specific stuff – many people there are the same as the ones here though
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voxpelli Calli: I generally ignore that rel-author is relative to closest article and consider all to be for the top level page – for my use cases that has worked out fine
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Calli This whole chat thing is new to me: should I move to #microformats?
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voxpelli Calli: I think you're fine here as well
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Calli voxpelli: I see. I don't think I can treat as page scoped - I see HTML pages where the only indication of author is in <a rel> and I see multiple authors that are for different parts of the page
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Calli voxpelli: Not yet sure if they're reliably scoped to <article>, but they definitely don't apply to the page
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voxpelli Calli: depends on what you want to do with the data – if it matters that they are for different parts or whether it only matters that they are for some part
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Calli voxpelli: Typically I'm just trying to identify the authors for the main article on a page
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voxpelli Calli: of interest may be, that the biggest pusher of rel-author data – Google – never pushed for or made use of article-relative rel-authors: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/1229920
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voxpelli so I would say that in practice article relative rel-author isn't really used
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kylewm Calli, voxpelli, there is actually precedent for locally scoped rel= values in mf2 parser... at least experimentally rel="bookmark" is scoped to the nearest h-* class
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Calli Interesting. Thanks for the links and info.
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Calli Here's a page I need to deal with: http://harpers.org/archive/2015/10/the-mother-of-all-questions/?single=1
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Calli Multiple <a rel="author"> that are clearly intended by the creator of the page to be scoped to the containing <div class="article">
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voxpelli that's a very weird markup
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Calli There's a lot of weird markup in the world!
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voxpelli and on that page there are even no <article> so even in the HTML5 sense of things those rel's are wrong :/
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Calli Yes! I have other pages that do scope to <article> just not to hand - might be The Atlantic that does that
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voxpelli one way you could maybe deal with it is to just use the first rel-author on the page – works for all but the multi-author pages
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Calli Anyway, it looks like I'm going to have to parse using heuristics to distinguish pages like this
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ben_thatmustbeme yay, i have grouping of people working now
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Calli voxpelli: good suggestion, but I'm going to have many multi author pages that are marked up correctly and fewer that are wrong so I'm going to have to do some fancy footwork to distinguish between them
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voxpelli Calli: would be helpful if you wrote a blog post with your conclusions once you're done and link to it from the rel-author page on the Microformats wiki – or included the conclusion somewhere in the wiki
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Calli will probably do that - BTW I have also seen pages where it's clear that the author intended the rels to be relative to microdata itemscope tagged elements
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Calli It's definitely not uncommon that people think these are scoped somehow
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Calli I think I will see what resuts look like with HTML scoping except that I'll use an is_article function that treats <article>, itemtype=schema/article and class="article" as articles for this purpose
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Calli If necessary, I might turn off the other article tests if I see an actual <article> in the page
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gRegorLove Hi, Calli. What language are you writing your mf2 parser in?
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Calli C++
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gRegorLove Haha Loqi
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Loqi hehe
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gRegorLove I didn't know that about rel-bookmark. Is that in mf2py, kylewm?
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kylewm gRegorLove: yeah, I couldn't find documentation on the wiki :/ there was a feature reqeust for Bridgy to support mf1 wordpress themes, and rel=bookmark was a requirement
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gRegorLove Ahh
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myfreeweb Hi! Haven't been on IRC in a while…
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myfreeweb So bridgy publish doesn't work for me. Looks like a TLS problem. It doesn't send the intermediate cert
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myfreeweb Qualys SSL test agrees with me
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myfreeweb You're supposed to send the “StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA” too, not just your cert
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Calli quick update: Variety.com is one site that has <article>-scoped <a rel="author"> tags. Initial results scoping rel=author to article-like elements (or the page if no such element has been seen) look good so far
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kevinmarks in mf1 we did assume rel could be scoped more locally, hence rel="bookmark"
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kevinmarks and rel="tag" orginally
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Calli @kevinmarks: yeah, I see the descriptions say stuff like "the page or part of the page" but they're not real clear on how you specify "part of the page"
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kevinmarks right, which was why we dropped it
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Calli oh ok - you didn't have in mind that they'd be scoped by classname or anything?
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kevinmarks well, the mf1 approach embedded a lot of format knowledge in the parser, which made it hard to exten
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kevinmarks hence the mf2 changes to separate the vocab from the structure
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kylewm myfreeweb: I think snarfed just changed the SSL certificate this morning
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kevinmarks I suppose we could scope rels to the containing h-*, but I think that would get odd
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kevinmarks as the rel="author" is likely on an h-card inside a h-entry
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aliasd http://indiewebcamp.com/Code-Of-Conduct <--- this supposed to be blank?
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kevinmarks http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct is OK - case problem?
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kevinmarks did you follow a link in caps?
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myfreeweb kylewm: and did't do it correctly
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bear ocsp staging delay
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myfreeweb no, it's not just ocsp
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myfreeweb The server doesn't send the intermediate CA!
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myfreeweb you need to bundle it with your cert
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bear that may be the case, but right now because of the ocsp delay I can't visit the site to check
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myfreeweb Browsers are somehow smart enough to download intermediates, servers aren't usually
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Calli h-entry looks to be "article-like". Are there any other types that might qualify as "article-like"?
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myfreeweb I can visit the site (haven't visited from my new OS installation before)
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bear i am on it via chrome - checking the cert
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myfreeweb But my server can't use Publish
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kylewm myfreeweb: yeah I agree that the intermediate cert is missing
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bear yea, looks like the intermediate is not present
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snarfed you're talking about bridgy?
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bear yes
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snarfed yup, the intermediate was missing for a bit. it should be there now.
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snarfed the OCSP part is my bad
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snarfed sorry :/ shouldn't last much longer at least
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bear my visit just now shows it returning the StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate and www.brid.gy -- so looks good now
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snarfed thanks!
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snarfed i am clearly an amateur at ops :P
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bear no worries - these things are done once a year, so it's easy to not remember the small details
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snarfed myfreeweb: try again?
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snarfed the previous cert also included a bundled intermediate, so if you were able to use bridgy publish before, and your server isn't caching cert parts, it should hopefully work now
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snarfed (barring OCSP)
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kylewm oh brid-gy.appspot.com redirects to brid.gy now? that's new (right?)
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snarfed kylewm: it used to redirect to www, but now yes, no www
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kylewm oh i didn't realize it redirected at all
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snarfed only user facing pages though, not e.g. mf2 handlers
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snarfed so i think the new cert is mostly happy now, except in firefox since OCSP is still propagating
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snarfed whee, sigh
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snarfed sorry for the trouble all
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snarfed next year i'll make kylewm renew and install the cert, i expect he's much better :P
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bear snarfed++ for continuining https work
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snarfed letsencrypt++ can't wait to use them instead of startcom
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kylewm has a lets encrypt sticker now, thanks to tantek!
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kylewm so i have to use it
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snarfed myfreeweb: any luck?
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myfreeweb snarfed++ yep, tls works now
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[snarfed] yay good. thanks for reporting
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myfreeweb aaaaand publishing works again too (changed the target to brid-gy.appspot.com/publish/twitter while debugging… that doesn't work, has to be brid.gy/…)
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tantek good day #indiewebcamp - sounds like some interesting topics today!
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tantek snarfed++ for working on silo+indie SWAT0! Will be interesting which silo you pick - I have a feeling Flickr has the most API + standards support (e.g. PuSH feeds).
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snarfed thanks!
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snarfed ironically PuSH doesn't help any. bridgy polls since that's lowest commo denominator, so implementing PuSH would be much more additional work
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tantek Calli - are you documenting the examples of rel=author usage you are finding? Consider adding them to: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-author#Examples_in_the_wild
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tantek snarfed - really? I would think PuSH would help with the notification receiving steps
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snarfed it would if i was designing from scratch. my point is that bridgy has a robust poll framework already, but nothing equivalent for PuSH
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tantek !tell Calli if you'd like help with your microformats2 parser, definitely speak-up in #microformats - other parser developers typically hangout there, and we have plenty of test cases etc.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek snarfed so you're ok with somewhat (polling-) delayed notifications then?
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tantek what is rel-bookmark?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rel-bookmark" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106A
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snarfed eh, the tradeoff is non-realtime notifs vs much more work and new complexity into bridgy's codebase
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snarfed so yeah i'd probably go with the former right now
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tantek rel-bookmark is a legacy rel [[microformat]] for marking up permalinks of blog posts. See http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Parser_Compatibility for how to parse rel-bookmark in a modern microformats2 parser.
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loqi.me created /rel-bookmark (+238) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-05/line/1446764626766 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek !tell kylewm that one was for you :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-05/line/1446759347935
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com created /Code-Of-Conduct (+29) "r since linked from IRC logs" (view diff)
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tantek !tell Calli both "hentry" and "h-entry" are article-like and in much more wide use than <article> itself. See http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry for how to parse both
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Calli tantek - I would add to "examples in the wild", but the page is locked for editing
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Loqi Calli: tantek left you a message 13 minutes ago: if you'd like help with your microformats2 parser, definitely speak-up in #microformats - other parser developers typically hangout there, and we have plenty of test cases etc. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-05/line/1446764578041
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Loqi Calli: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: both "hentry" and "h-entry" are article-like and in much more wide use than <article> itself. See http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry for how to parse both http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-05/line/1446765294467
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tantek Calli - odd let me see if I can fix it
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[kevinmarks] Also h-review can be article like
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tantek Calli - try again?
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tantek Facebook's event response options have become quite strange
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tantek they appear to have expanded the different kinds of options, but restrict you to only three options at a time
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tantek If someone invites you to an event, on the event page itself, you see: [ Interested ] [ Going ] [ Ignore ]
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tantek In the sidebar view of "related events", each event has "Interested" and "Going" options/links.
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Calli Tantek - still no luck. My account on microformats.org is "callionica" if that helps.
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tantek On your facebook.com/events/upcoming page it's even more confusing
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tantek Calli - even more odd - tried setting the page to defaults - hopefully that should work to allow editing. You may be asked to solve a capcha to add new links.
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tantek on the events on your FB upcoming page, if you were invited to an event, and previously chose "Interested", you see a dropdown menu with label "Interested v" and options: Going | Interested | Not Interested
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Calli Got it
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tantek if you were invited to an event and previously chose "Going", you see a dropdown menu with label "√ Going v" and options Going | Maybe | Can't go
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tantek if you were invited to an event and did not previously respond/RSVP, you see *buttons*: [ Interested ] [ Going ] [ Ignore ]
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tantek if you were invited to an event and previously chose "Maybe", you see a dropdown menu with label "√ Maybe v" and options Going | Maybe | Can't go
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tantek all other little event summary boxes have the two text link options "Interested" and "Going"
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kylewm tantek++ thanks!
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 25 minutes ago: that one was for you :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-05/line/1446759347935 http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-05/line/1446764753778
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kylewm I learned I can add IndieWebCamp as a search engine in my browser, and now I reeeeally want it to have a favicon
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KartikPrabhu http://indiewebcamp.com/logo#Square_Icon ;) should we take a vote?
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aaronpk kylewm: in chrome if you type "indiewebcamp.com " (with a space) it turns into IWC wiki site search
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aaronpk i did this for my site a while ago too :) http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2011/07/11/1/how-to-let-google-power-opensearch-on-your-website
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