#indiewebcamp 2015-11-08

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[shaners]
Just popping in to see if there are any !tells for me.
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[shaners]
Doesn't seem like it. Back to driving down the highway. :wave::skin-tone-2:
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@hibbittsdesign
RT @benwerd: I'm interested in feedback from the #indieweb and #opensource communities. Building an open source business: https://t.co/t9Lp…
(twitter.com/_/status/663151386058555392)
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kevinmarks
hm, here's a good indiewebcamp project fro tomorrow: https://adactio.com/journal/9775
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wrk3.com
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@saleemibrahim92
#IndainNawazi #indiewebcamp #الدولة_الإسلامية https://twitter.com/saleemibrahim92/status/663185620437745664/photo/1
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@aaronpk
IndieWebCamp taglines: "Back to the Future of the Web" ... "Raiders of the Lost Websites"
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[aaronpk]
I made a poll!
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@aaronpk
#IndieWebCamp MIT Day 1, morning crowd with Edinburgh, and afternoon with more MIT locals https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/663198487748571136/photo/1
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@rhiaro
RT @aaronpk: #IndieWebCamp MIT Day 1, morning crowd with Edinburgh, and afternoon with more MIT locals https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/663198487748571136/photo/1
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[snarfed]
kevinmarks: re service workers, hell yes! here's one indieweb use case: https://snarfed.org/posting-to-the-indieweb-from-your-phone
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@jmathai
RT @benwerd: I'm interested in feedback from the #indieweb and #opensource communities. Building an open source business: https://t.co/t9Lp…
(twitter.com/_/status/663266884310069248)
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@hackthonfun
RT @benwerd: I'm interested in feedback from the #indieweb and #opensource communities. Building an open source business: https://t.co/t9Lp…
(twitter.com/_/status/663273330204651520)
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GWG
Today, I am an Indiewebcamp of 1
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david.shanske.com
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[aaronpk]
Be there shortly GWG!
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aaronpk
good morning indiewebcamp!
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aaronpk
we are just getting set up with food and coffee
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@tinokremer
I'm suprised to see @leolaporte uses SquareSpace to power his website instead of something more open like @withknown, why? #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/663370348482703360)
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GWG
So, I have a problem.
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GWG
Trying to use Pushover for notifications. It has Title, Message, URL, and URL Title. Have to figure out how to design for that.
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aaronpk
you can probably leave title blank and it will look fine
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aaronpk
or set title to your website domain
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aaronpk
URL should link to the post the notification is about, the title can be "view" or "see more" or something
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@aaronpk
@tinokremer Plus, using SquareSpace as a web host is a perfectly fine solution as long as it's on your own domain. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/663371673400270849)
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tantek
!tell rascul long time no see! missed you at IndieWebCamp MIT!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Tino
You're fast with replying aaronpk :)
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aaronpk
easy when the tweets show up here! :)
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Tino
True :)
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Tino
I use that a lot myself, though I have setup an RSS feed with #indieweb tweets as well for when I was away for a while
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Tino
I know Leo has Leoville.net setup on WithKnown. In fact, that was the main reason I started looking at it back then (he had Ben and Erin in This Week in Google)
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aaronpk
ah cool
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tantek
FYI: concerns about posting to IG vs my own site: https://indiewebcamp.com/publics#Tantek
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aaronpk
yeah i didn't realize it had been so long since he posted anything there
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Tino
The reason I wrote that tweet a few minutes ago is Leo is bitching about Squarespace's API and the fact it's not open and he feels trapped
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aaronpk
interesting
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Tino
I get that, but as he has a nice fully open and much better connected site, lets use it
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Tino
If Leo would POSSE to his social media accounts, he would have lots of fun
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aaronpk
sounds like we can add some things to http://indiewebcamp.com/SquareSpace#Issues
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Tino
Bridgy can port each and every comment or like he gets as he does everything in public anyway]
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Tino
It would be a great boost for both WithKnown as the Indieweb in my opinnion
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tantek
what is Withknown?
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Loqi
Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indiewebcamp.com/withknown
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Tino
It's number one response I get when talking about Indieweb over here. "What are the big bloggers using?"
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aaronparecki.com
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@tinokremer
@aaronpk sure, if you're happy with it. If you want an API to talk to, you need something else. Besides. Squarespace is not #indieweb :)
(twitter.com/_/status/663375537725956096)
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[kevinmarks]
snarfed noterlive.com does some of that (works offline with local storage, but posting the collated posts is still manual)
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[kevinmarks]
Also, the way it does hovercard s doesn't scale well. I need to change that.
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@whaity
Disabled the Instagram account. Next is Google stuff. Then Facebook. Not sure about Twitter yet. #indieweb
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@aaronpk
@whaity Start posting tweets to your own site, then it won't matter as much to stop using Twitter #indieweb
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@aaronpk
@whaity There are some notes here http://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll and several people are doing it!
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Loqi
[mention] Aaron Parecki commented '@whaity There are some notes here http://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll and several people are doing it!' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/11/08/4/)
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tantek
what is Leo Laporte?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Leo Laporte" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106a
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tantek
what is This Week in Google?
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Loqi
TWiG is This Week in Google, a podcast at twit.tv where Kevin Marks occasionally talks about the IndieWeb https://indiewebcamp.com/This_Week_in_Google
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tantek
Leo Laporte is a podcaster, broadcaster, and has weekly radio shows This Week in Tech (TWiT) and [[This Week in Google]].
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loqi.me
created /Leo_Laporte (+148) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-08/line/1446997242077 and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek
what is Philips Hue?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Philips Hue" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106e
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rhiaro
30 minutes until rhiaro needs to pick up lunch
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Loqi
I added a countdown scheduled for 11/8 8:38am (#5742)
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tantek
what is Nest?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Nest" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106f
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aaronpk
Philips Hue is the name of a set of connected lightbulbs that can be controlled via a wifi interface.
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loqi.me
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tantek
Nest is a wholly owned subsidiary of [[Alphabet]] that sells an eponymous thermostat, and smoke alarm both of which are connected to their centralized servers over the internet. Also: https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/663308210523283456
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tantek
Nest is a wholly owned subsidiary of [[Alphabet]] that sells an eponymous thermostat, and smoke alarm both of which are connected to their centralized servers over the internet.
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loqi.me
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tantek
Loqi how long until rhiaro needs to pick up lunch?
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rhiaro
LOQI WHEN IS LUNCH
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rhiaro
FEED US LOQI
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Loqi
dude
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tantek.com
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tantek
what is nest?
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Loqi
Nest is a wholly owned subsidiary of Alphabet that sells an eponymous thermostat, and smoke alarm both of which are connected to their centralized servers over the internet; whereas the indieweb approach would be to have such devices connect to your personal site https://indiewebcamp.com/Nest
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aaronpk
Loqi: how long until rhiaro needs to pick up lunch?
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Loqi
1348 seconds
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rhiaro
Loqi how many minutes is 1348 seconds?
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Loqi
rhiaro needs to pick up lunch
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rhiaro
thanks loqi
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Loqi
you're welcome
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tantek
what is Google Maps?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Maps" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106g
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tantek
Google Maps is a web application for viewing a map, getting directions, and keeps track of your location history (opt out).
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loqi.me
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tantek.com
edited /Google_Maps (+376) "how to view your history, turn off/delete, see also"
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek
what is google?
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Loqi
Google is primarily used for searching the open web (where indieweb sites typically rank highly), but also hosts a number of content silos and other services https://indiewebcamp.com/Google
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tantek
what is Google Maps?
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Loqi
Google Maps is a Google's web application for viewing a map, getting directions, and keeps track of your location history (opt out) https://indiewebcamp.com/Google_Maps
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tantek.com
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[kevinmarks]
Did Tantek see the article about 5 million Wikipedia articles and take it as a challenge?
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@sigfig
why dont wordpress exploits get names is it just the quantity
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GWG
Okay, I can now overload myself with comments
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@dshanske
Today, I am at IndieWebCamp at MIT. I'm making the notifications from my site more useful. - https://david.shanske.com/2015/11/08/hanging-around-at-indiewebcamp-mit/
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GWG
petermolnar: You interested in testing something?
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petermolnar
what would it be?
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petermolnar
I can't test push, I don't have google framework on my phone
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aaronpk
do you not have any way to get push notifications on your phone then?
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petermolnar
nope, and I'm happy with that
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petermolnar
however, imap idle is nearly push
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GWG
Oh, well.
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tantek
!tell snarfed,kylewm is it possible to send a single webmention to Bridgy Publish to get it to publish to all the POSSE destinations (e.g. both FB & Twitter) you've linked to from your permalink? E.g. with 'target=http://brid.gy/publish' ?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[snarfed]
tantek: sorry, no
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Loqi
[snarfed]: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: is it possible to send a single webmention to Bridgy Publish to get it to publish to all the POSSE destinations (e.g. both FB & Twitter) you've linked to from your permalink? E.g. with 'target=http://brid.gy/publish' ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-08/line/1447007012870
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tantek
POSSE to all the silos!
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[snarfed]
if you have automatic webmention sending, you can just include both bridgy publish links, of course
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tantek
but that requires sending two webmentions to Bridgy Publish right?
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tantek
instead of one
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tantek
of course that would make the response more difficult to create / handle
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[snarfed]
exactly
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[snarfed]
doesn't seem appropriate to try to optimize
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[snarfed]
petermolnar: GWG: there are definitely non-Google push notif frameworks for Android!
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GWG
I'm happy to incorporate any other notification method into this
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GWG
Give me the information
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[snarfed]
eg urban airship
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[snarfed]
plenty of others, just search
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[snarfed]
anyway, just FYI
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tantek
snarfed: I need to do special things with the bridgy publish responses so I can display the syndication links
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tantek
in otherwords, it can't just be done as part of "automatic webmention sending" to all the links in a post
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aaronpk
yeah the fact that it works with automatic webmention sending is a nice default, but as soon as you want to handle the response gives you a path to upgrade
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[snarfed]
true! you might want to talk wth other people who consume bridgy publish responses. eg gRegorLove, KartikPrabhu, maybe GWG
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aaronpk
i do too :)
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aaronpk
for publishing my photos to twitter
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[snarfed]
oh cool!
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[snarfed]
thank emmak for twitter photo publishing support
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rhiaro
Achievement unlocked! You can now sign in to one page of my site with indieauth http://rhiaro.co.uk/login.php
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rhiaro
(no sessions or anything yet)
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[snarfed]
emmak++
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Loqi
emmak has 14 karma
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aaronpk
emmak++
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Loqi
emmak has 15 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
Not online as I had planned to be, But....
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ben_thatmustbeme
stream.thatmustbe.us
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ben_thatmustbeme
Need to style it
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aaronpk
aw it breaks trying to do it one more time
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aaronpk
oh you're outputting escaped html
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aaronpk
you could return content-type:text/plain so that browsers show the html source
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ben_thatmustbeme
Ahhh much better idea
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aaronpk
slightly less hacky
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voxpelli
Just extended my bookmark Workflow.app + Editorial.app flow on iOS so I now can easily Micropub quotes from Safari - yay!
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aaronpk
but still a hack
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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aaronpk
voxpelli: omg nice
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aaronpk
weird I get "ERR_ICANN_NAME_COLLISION" trying to visit http://workflow.app
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aaronpk
which i had intended to search for in chrome's universal address bar
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aaronpk
wow this app looks really neat
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aaronpk
looks like it would save mea ton of time not building special apps for this kind of stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: fixed
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ben_thatmustbeme
Have to go. Nephew's birthday party
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ben_thatmustbeme
Github link added
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ben_thatmustbeme
Still some bugs
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ben_thatmustbeme
That link you sent a few minutes ago
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@t
Hacking @IndieWebCamp @MIT on improving @Falcon photo posting UX; reducing number of steps by calling Brid.gy Publish. (ttk.me t4e71)
(twitter.com/_/status/663434686392176640)
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ben_thatmustbeme
Anyone new show up today?
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[snarfed]
agreed on eg workflow.is, ifttt, locale, yahoo pipes (rip). tools that bring the old school geek shell scripting attitude to the mainstream are great!
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: nico is here who showed up yesterday afternoon
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk: can't quite get it all the way
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@kevinmarks
We can get back the much-mourned favorite star on twitter by an 'add a comment' retweet with a 🌟 emoji http://www.kevinmarks.com/notinourstars.html #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/663438015453249536)
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kevinmarks
I wrote up the reacji whatever we call it thingy
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voxpelli
aaronpk: would btw probably be fairly easy to change my Workflow so it opens a Quill URL instead
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aaronpk
with just the workflow.is app?
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aaronpk
i would love to try that, since i use Quill to bookmark things with quotes already
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voxpelli
aaronpk: the last few steps in my assembles all of the data into a URL that then opens the Editorial app, but could point anywhere
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aaronpk
ahh cool
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aaronpk
i think that page actually has more information than you need since it describes both ends of the exchange
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@galoppini
RT @benwerd: I'm interested in feedback from the #indieweb and #opensource communities. Building an open source business: https://t.co/t9Lp…
(twitter.com/_/status/663445778556461056)
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tantek
!tell snarfed https://brid.gy/about docs out of date. Bridgy Publish returns 201 (not 200) if a new object was created!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[snarfed]
tantek: thanks for the report! will fix
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Loqi
[snarfed]: tantek left you a message 5 minutes ago: https://brid.gy/about docs out of date. Bridgy Publish returns 201 (not 200) if a new object was created! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-08/line/1447013407082
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melvster
waves ...
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nicola.io
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GWG
!tell acegiak MF2 Parsing is working in development for Post Kinds. Needs work on the storage and display parameters
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@rhiaro
No sessions yet, but you can now sign into my site with indieauth! Thanks for help @aaronpk! #indiewebcamp http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/11/no-sessions-yet
(twitter.com/_/status/663458020970598400)
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Kongaloosh
thanks to IWC MIT for letting me tag along!
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GWG
Kongaloosh: Stay tuned for the rest of the story
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Kongaloosh
I need to know what happens next!
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tantek
IndieWebCamp demos started!
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tantek
tantek: I got Bridgy Publishing of photo posts working to Twitter & Facebook
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tantek
tantek: which means less work for me to publish a photo post
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tantek
tantek: which hopefully means I'll be publishing photo posts more frequently
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tantek
next up
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GWG
rhiaro has gotten Indieauth to work on every page to sign into her site.
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tantek
rhiaro: rhiaro.co.uk
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tantek
rhiaro: login link on footer of every page
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tantek
rhiaro: you can now login via IndieAuth
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tantek
rhiaro: and then it shows you that you're logged in
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tantek
rhiaro: no session management yet
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tantek
rhiaro: if you refresh, the login state is gone
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tantek
rhiaro: and it's just for that one page
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tantek
rhiaro: I also added p-name to my tag feeds
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tantek
aaronpk: up next aaronparecki.com
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tantek
... my site is aaronparecki.com
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tantek
... I am rebuilding my site
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GWG
aaronpk has already wowed the campers with his geochange discussions.
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tantek
... replacing every piece of code on my site
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tantek
... I got to the point where I was ready to start handling webmentions
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tantek
... for showing comments and likes
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tantek
... didn't want to do that work again
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tantek
... one place I've written this code before is webmention.io
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tantek
... a service anyone can use to accept webmentions on their behalf
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tantek
... this does a lot of the work of verifying the webmention
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tantek
... and identifying what kind of a post it is
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tantek
... I decided to use webmention.io for my new site
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tantek
... but I also wanted to get comments / notifications in real time
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tantek
... if I just use webmention.io as is I would have had to poll it
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tantek
... so what I did today
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tantek
... made it so that when you sign-in to webmention.io with indieauth
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tantek
... (demonstrates that indieauth verifies you are logged in as you on Twitter)
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tantek
... uses Twitter to sign-in
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tantek
... to webmention.io
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tantek
... there is a new dashboard on webmention.io
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tantek
... with a webhook field
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tantek
... I can now define a webhook URL that webmention.io will post to in realtime in response to receiving webmentions on behalf of my site
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tantek
... (edits and saves)
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tantek
... try a live demo?
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tantek
... shows a manual curl of webmention.io
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tantek
... "queued for processing"
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tantek
... shows result from webmention.io sent to requestbin
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tantek
... pretty printed as JSON
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tantek
... has all the information about this webmention
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tantek
... has the author, name, photo
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tantek
... url of the post, publish date, it says it is a like post
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tantek
... it also has a secret to confirm that the webmention came from webmention.io
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tantek
... the other option on webmention.io is a send original avatar link
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tantek
... it sent a wrapped version in its own URL
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tantek
... because this avatar has been archived by webmention.io
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tantek
... which means even if amy removes her avatar image
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tantek
... the image will still work from me from the webmention.io wrapped URL
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tantek
... This is actually a problem that has happened to me in the past
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tantek
... old posts with comments from silos usually have broken images
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tantek
... (shows an old post with broken image)
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tantek
tantek: when can others start using it?
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tantek
aaronpk: right now.
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tantek
... it is documented inline
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rhiaro
rhiaro: yessssss
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tantek
... login to webmention.io
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tantek
... scroll to the bottom and it describes it
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tantek
aaronpk++ for awesomely improving webmention.io and selfdogfooding it!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 1000 karma
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rhiaro
nicola: nicola.io
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rhiaro
... Totally new to this community until yesterday
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rhiaro
... So added rel="me" to my site
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rhiaro
... and now I can authenticate with indieauth
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rhiaro
... this is the first step
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rhiaro
... I will add some more things on my website
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rhiaro
... don't know what yet
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rhiaro
... And created a user page on the wiki
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GWG
"* Nicola.io * (+74) Created page with "Hello here is Nicola and I have been helped by Tantek! (very little help!)""
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@zensolidarity
RT @benwerd: I'm interested in feedback from the #indieweb and #opensource communities. Building an open source business: https://t.co/t9Lp…
(twitter.com/_/status/663466971174858752)
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rhiaro
sandro: did a few different things..
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rhiaro
... I don't have a site I'm happy with because I'm perfectionist
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rhiaro
... Yesterday I asked, can I make a website that is just a collection of records
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rhiaro
... Where the top level of the site is categories, containign lists
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rhiaro
... Made a data structure like that and a server that shows templates as necessary
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rhiaro
... Made trips and contacts as two things I filled in a tiny bit
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rhiaro
... So two trips, one of them takes you to something, handlebars template
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rhiaro
... Kind of works as a way to make a site, to get some real data up
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rhiaro
... So then I got my geo history from google
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rhiaro
... And loaded as geolocation objects, truncated at 1000
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rhiaro
... If I click on one, it shows the field properties and values
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rhiaro
... Added some properties, others from google
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rhiaro
... The 1000 only goes back to yesterday
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rhiaro
... Don't really want to make that public
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rhiaro
... So I switched to I should make my site be an indieauth application
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rhiaro
... Got working a nodejs library
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rhiaro
... gets the auth endpoint from the url you give it
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rhiaro
... works on aaron's site
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rhiaro
... and rhiaro's site
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rhiaro
GWG: I usually represent the wordpress contingent
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rhiaro
... Goal was when you send a reply or whatever to make it easier for me to hear about it
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rhiaro
... These are real comments imported from my website
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rhiaro
... Set up the desktop version of pushover
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rhiaro
... Shows a comment and a like
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rhiaro
.. Now hoefully I will not get annoyed when I get a notification as it tells me something useful
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rhiaro
... Also did some parsing
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rhiaro
... When I reply the form pulls in parsed mf2 from the site replying to
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rhiaro
... Unfortunately most of the world doesn't have mf2
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tantek
tantek: not yet :)
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rhiaro
... So here's ane xample of a newspaper article
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rhiaro
... Has parsed the information I need out
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rhiaro
... from ogp (?)
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rhiaro
... If a site has both, it will prioritise mf2
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rhiaro
And that concludes IWC 2015/MIT!
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Zegnat
OGP-question-mark?
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tantek
what is OGP
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Loqi
The Open Graph protocol (OGP) is an open* standard developed by Facebook for annotating the primary subject of an HTML page via a set of custom <meta> tags in the document head for the purpose of Facebook showing link previews http://indiewebcamp.com/OGP
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kevinmarks
my only indieweb innovation was adding a p-summary to my latest post
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GWG
Good evening, kevinmarks
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GWG
What is going on there?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "going on there" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106h
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kevinmarks
I'm just at home today
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kevinmarks
Intersting that Matt is 'rooting for all the other open source CMSes' https://ma.tt/2015/11/seventy-five-to-go/
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ben_thatmustbeme
ack, missed the demos
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ben_thatmustbeme
stream.thatmustbe.us is my demo
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snarfed
ben_thatmustbeme: cool!
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Calli
Hello. I have a question about MF2 and its relationship with HTML microdata over on #microformats if anyone's interested. It's not at all important or urgent. I'm just curious.
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[shaners]
Calli: ask away. If someone can answer, they will. :+1::skin-tone-2:
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ben_thatmustbeme
[shaners]: updated stream parsing stuff this weekend
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ben_thatmustbeme
i can go jf2 -> mf2 now
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ben_thatmustbeme
have not done that for jsonapi yet, but should be doable
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[shaners]
ben_thatmustbeme: nice. Keep it up!
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aaronpk
ooh it's prettier now
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: does it not descend into children objects?
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aaronpk
oh my bad. i forgot this isn't a pure jf2 document
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[shaners]
ben_thatmustbeme: what is an h-array?