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## #indiewebcamp 2015-11-10

2015-11-10 UTC
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# @alicegoldfuss Oh, didn’t even consider that. I may be too #indieweb for that. Or I’m lazy and haven’t blogged in years. (twitter.com/_/status/663887430924296192)
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# speaking of how awful client certs are, is anyone else having trouble logging in to startssl.com right now or is it just me?
# same error on two different computers
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# RE: the post-type / h-* discussion. I think it’s about the Robustness Principle (aka Postel’s Law).
# Conservative output. Liberal input.
# That would imply never post more that one h-type
# Funny. I read it the other way. But I see your point.
# There’s no harm in marking up posts with something more than h-entry. For more specificity. If it helps a downstream consumer to have something more type specific, great.
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# If consumers just treat a post as an h-entry, then no harm no foul.
# But if a downstream consumer does something else based on posttype / h-*, then they get it for free/cheaper.
# Doesn't help what to do with jf2. Unless we move to multi type
# Or just only pick up the h-entry and dump the h-blahblah
# Postel's from the jf2 parser perspective
# #JoinTheClub Check out the premiere of new #indieweb fave @Club5150Series now playing https://www.youtube.com/ … RT and Share (twitter.com/_/status/663908381044805633)
# Read whatever only output one type and have it the most well known one
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# RT @soapfanfiction: #JoinTheClub Check out the premiere of new #indieweb fave @Club5150Series now playing https://www.youtube.com/ … RT and… (twitter.com/_/status/663908970231283713)
# aaronpk: are you getting ssl_error_unknown_ca_alert?
# if so, delete all of their Software Security Device certs
# in firefox, it's prefs, advanced, certificates, view certificates
# i have to do that every year when i renew
# snarfed: what do you mean? do I need a new client cert from them? i thought that one didn't expire?
# yeah mine says it expires in 2017
# Anyhow, I’m crashing for the night. Sweet dreams, indiewebcamp!
# oops no wrong one
# omg it did expire
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# yeah, every year
# i swear i didn't do this last year
# i did
# shrug!
# i sure hope i can get back to my account :/
# noooooo
# you should be able to, i did
# yea
# my class 2 validation is gone, and i can't retrieve any of my previous certs
# :(:(:(
# you didn't happen to export it first, did you?
# i did, but it's expired so it won't let me use it
# crosses fingers
# ah that's what he means
# "I also notice you need a merge, send us an email to..."
# merging the old and new account
# yea, I do that almost every year
# they just merge your old account to the new one
# *whew*
# I assuem they just need my email address and they can figure it out from there?
# yep
# crosses fingers
# once you validate as the same email again
# so much for trying to renew indiewebcat.com tonight
# can't wait for let's encrypt
# and indiewebcamp.com expires tomorrow evening!
# they are generally very fast - and this is their daytime hours :)
# true. they have always been very good about support.
# on a related note, this makes a lot of sense: https://letsencrypt.org//2015/11/09/why-90-days.html
# oh interesting
# yeah 1 year is long enough to completely forget whatever process you went through
# sure, once cert renewal is automated, then lower TTL makes a lot of sense
# honestly i wouldn't mind even if the startssl certs expired every 90 days. mayyybe 120 days.
# it would force me to be better about proactively renewing and automating as much as possible
# i do have enough certs now that i'm renewing them pretty often, so i've streamlined it as much as i can
# that is why I now always use a shell script to generate everything - documentation is built in
# documentation++
# automation++
# documentation has 5 karma
# automation has 6 karma
# documentation++
# automation++
# documentation has 6 karma
# slow down!
# :P
# well that was fast
# i'm back in! \o/
# timezone coverage FTW
# seriously considering scripting this domain verification process
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# it would appear i am not the only one to have thought of this https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=startssl
# :)
# the effort of automating it is ever so slightly more work than doing this manually
# i'm not sure it would pay off, especially if i start using let's encrypt soon
# if all of the ones I used to manage at &yet were in the same month... then I would have automated
# but since most of them were one-off's it was much faster to click around
# it'd be pretty great to have a command line utility for verify-domain example.com that would receive the verification code and submit it back
# from what I understand, Let's Encrypt is supposed to help automate this stuff
# yeah
# which is why it's not worth it for me to automate the startssl process
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# Let's Encrypt is soooooo close
# it's awesome
# wow with class 2 validation i can add a whole bunch of domains to the same cert
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# i paid the $60 fee for the year # lets me get as many wildcard certs as i want, so the cost was recouped already # plus those certs are good for 2 years even if i don't pay$60 next year
#
jasons
@aaronpk sorry just joined; sounds like a good deal — where is this?
# startssl.com
#
jasons
aha ty
# it's a terrible interface and there are many reasons to avoid it, but i've been using it nonetheless
# wow, that's actually not that bad
# aside from the UX issues, the biggest catch is that if you want to revoke a cert you have to pay $20 # I'm on their free tier and it kills, because it takes forever to renew certs and I have to do it twice in the year because half of my subdomains were registered months apart #$24.99
# i feel like i'm finally getting the hang of the process now, only took like 2 years
# also you can only renew 2w before expiration :/
# I'm way, way too good because I have like 15 subdomains that each have to have their own _individual cert_
# i was wondering what that threshold was
# what is StartSSL?
# It looks like we don't have a page for "StartSSL" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106m
# aaronpk: what threshold?
# StartSSL is a service that provides SSL certificates
# created /StartSSL (+79) "prompted by aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-09/line/1447125772387 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
# ok
# also, there's definitely a page already mentioning StartSSL
# what is HTTPS?
# the threshold of how long before expiration you can renew. since i know they don't let you create another cert that matches a current active cert
# HTTPS is an abbreviation for Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure, a protocol for secure communication, supported by web servers (like Apache & nginx) and browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS
# HTTPS links to StartSSL but there is no page
# yeah, that's what I was thinking of
# RT @soapfanfiction: #JoinTheClub Check out the premiere of new #indieweb fave @Club5150Series now playing https://www.youtube.com/ … RT and… (twitter.com/_/status/663920512339349504)
# aaronpk: I love your "Why do I need this?" answer in the twtr.io FAQ
# > You probably don't
# haha
# i love me too
# wat
# edited /StartSSL (+1546) "expand with my experience" (view diff)
# there, got that whole conversation on the wiki
# there is a "trick" to the only one domain active restriction
# they validate the primary domain but with a wildcard you can have a www. and also a *.
# so if you need to revoke, you can re-issue using foo. and *.
# there is apparently another trick, which is you can add other domains to the cert. so now i have two certs active for ownyourgram.com for example
# crazy
# I never thought to try that
# the interesting thing is ownyourgram.com already has an active cert
# Think I should give up on startssl in favor of Let's Encrypt?
# probably
# hooray for getting a new cert before i need to cut over so it actually has time to propagate through the ocsp thingies
# tomorrow i will launch the new indiewebcamp.com cert
# nicely done!
# no one cares about OCSP though :/
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# what do you mean?
# Why not?
# browsers, I mean
# go visit https://indiewebcat.com in firefox right now, you'll see an OCSP error
# I've added an exception but earlier I saw an expired cert error
# not an OCSP error
# i literally just replaced the cert
# now it shows an OCSP error
# ah, OK
# I'm not getting an OCSP error
# aaronpk: what browser?
# firefox
# do you have security.OCSP.require set to true?
# uh i don't know, i've never changed any settings in firefox
# snarfed++ for updating the bridgy docs re: 201!
# snarfed has 166 karma
# it's also in the Advanced settings panel
# it's set to false
# .enabled is set to 1
# point is, i've never changed any of these settings, so whatever firefox is shipping with makes it care about OCSP errors
# tries with a fresh profile
# last I checked it didn't hard-fail but maybe they changed it
# aaronpk: not styled, but i added an option to socialstreams to allow outputting as html instead of plaintext
# ben_thatmustbeme++
# ben_thatmustbeme has 119 karma
# i'm planning to figure out some generic styling to get things rendering in to at least something useful
# can feed things back in to itself over and over now
# aaronpk: I see it now
# I wonder why I can't reproduce it in my main profile?
# i'm guessing a security exception is in that profile
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# Omg I just realized why I get the SSL expiration warning emails two weeks before the cert expires
# I always assumed I couldn't get a new cert until closer to the expiration so I kept ignoring those emails lol
# chuckles
# startssl is one of the orgs that I pay attention to every email they send
# because they don't send anything at all unless it's actionable
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# bear: yeah I added an exception for the just-expired cert, but it should have been invalidated when aaronpk installed the new cert, right?
# I don't think so, it stores them by domain IIRC
# huh
# bear: good point. I will pay more attention in the future :-)
# that must be it, then
# exception certs and all that is why I test certs using private browsing tabs
# that way it's always a fresh/clean view
# that's actually brilliant
# bear++
# bear has 81 karma
# what is summary?
# A summary is short text that conveys a post's main point(s), or a plain text equivalent for kinds of posts like likes and RSVPs that use other properties to convey their meaning https://indiewebcamp.com/summary
# does anyone have a UI for explicitlyauthoring a summary in their posts? e.g. in a note or article?
# !tell KartikPrabhu do you have a specific UI for indicating or writing a p-summary for your posts? Or do you just manually add p-summary markup to your articles? https://indiewebcamp.com/summary#Kartik_Prabhu
# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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# edited /summary (+461) "service support / Bridgy" (view diff)
# edited /summary (+990) "expand why, POSSE excerpt; brainstorming, more text UI" (view diff)
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# Remember Federated Social Web, IndieWeb stuff, there was Diaspora. I'm Looking to find women into these things. Men say they know none. (twitter.com/_/status/663939727230308352)
# RT @IdentityWoman: Remember Federated Social Web, IndieWeb stuff, there was Diaspora. I'm Looking to find women into these things. Men say … (twitter.com/_/status/663942344664854528)
# RT @IdentityWoman: Remember Federated Social Web, IndieWeb stuff, there was Diaspora. I'm Looking to find women into these things. Men say … (twitter.com/_/status/663945187358437376)
# @IdentityWoman And: @rhiaro is massively involved in both indieweb and W3C decentralized social efforts. (twitter.com/_/status/663946408135819264)
# fixed mobilepub for now
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# RT @soapfanfiction: #JoinTheClub Check out the premiere of new #indieweb fave @Club5150Series now playing https://www.youtube.com/ … RT and… (twitter.com/_/status/663952235672408064)
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# RT @IdentityWoman: Remember Federated Social Web, IndieWeb stuff, there was Diaspora. I'm Looking to find women into these things. Men say … (twitter.com/_/status/663959321122861056)
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# RT @IdentityWoman: Remember Federated Social Web, IndieWeb stuff, there was Diaspora. I'm Looking to find women into these things. Men say … (twitter.com/_/status/663972093613072384)
# that's not a good sign ^
# KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 57 minutes ago: do you have a specific UI for indicating or writing a p-summary for your posts? Or do you just manually add p-summary markup to your articles? https://indiewebcamp.com/summary#Kartik_Prabhu http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-09/line/1447128149293
# !tell tantek manually. Only my articles have p-summary which by my definition are posts authored in HTML
# Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
# edited /summary (+118) "/* Kartik Prabhu */" (view diff)
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# edited /summary (+11) "/* Kartik Prabhu */ minor edit to emphaiss Django" (view diff)
# edited /summary (+68) "/* Kartik Prabhu */" (view diff)
# !tell tantek added more description of my process: https://indiewebcamp.com/summary#Kartik_Prabhu
# Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
# edited /summary (+160) "/* Kevin Marks */" (view diff)
# kevinmarks: I have seen those. Very cool!
# I started adding them too
# could use a bit of flexbox magic to make the look like actual cards
# they are flexbox'd, but the image aspect ratio varies
# only 2 on mine
# aah yes. because I don't give the cropped version to non-JS users. I should change that
# kevinmarks, the link on "html as tex replacement" is broken
# for me it goes to the present page
# i.e. the story card onre
# one*
# right
# that happens
# I'd expect that the article comes up
# and not that I stay on the list
# me too
# on my story card page it works
# ah. I didn't amrk pup the url when I made them nested
# for kevin it also works for all but the first 2 cards
# yes, when I wrapped a div around the h-entry I forgot to mark up u-url
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# kevinmarks, re htmlversustex - writing formulas in tex is still so much easier than in any other language
# especially when taking notes during lecture
# that's fair; I was arguing for better output to HTML
# and SVG in particualr
# svg lets you position each glyph
# i use mathjax in some of my articles
# but tex is so horrible while writing whole documents
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# what really is needed is a good writing UI that allows input in tex for formulae and then convert them to mathml
# there are ones that convert to SVG
# I had half a mind to work on such a thing but then didn't pursue it because it was too much work for a side-project
# SVG that they make still depends on JS and is not accessible
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# Right, that's what I was getting at - SVG text
# Is mathematica no good either?
# oh mathematica is horrible because it has this propreitay fornat for things
# format*
# kevinmarks: here is an article that uses mathjax: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/euclids-space
# $d^2 = (x_2 - x_1)^2 + (y_2 - y_1)^2$
# doesn't look rendered to me :)
# at Pythagoras’ distance
# ah, js errors
# oh no. something failed!
# it used to work :(
# see what I mean! :P
# JS is so fragile!
# Yep.
# So are fonts
# a browser update can kill older pages
# kevinmarks: I try not to rely on fonts. Even if they don't load it is OK
# but mathjax relies on all these fonts it wants to use with no way to say "use the default font on the page"
# Right, but to do equations in SVG text you need them
# yes!
# As most fonts don't have math symbols
# math on the Web is a big problem that no one is addressing
# i should write up my huge rant on this
# it is probable
# Well, I was fooled as it works on Mac and Chromebook
# mathjax used to work great on FF with mathml rendering but something seems to have failed
# Did I mention my other mad SVG idea?
# hmm on what?
# Put data points in the SVG directly for graphs to correct sig figs, and change view coordinates instead
# For linear charts anyway
# yeah that works if you know how to write SVG
# but again there needs to be a better authoring UI
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# Indeed
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# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# fixed
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# well, working, i still need to fix indieid, there is clearly some issue there
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# ^^^ that is a very strange reply, as AFAIK the account replying doesn't use the indieweb hashtag either
# tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 6 hours, 26 minutes ago: manually. Only my articles have p-summary which by my definition are posts authored in HTML http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-09/line/1447138833100
# tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 6 hours, 18 minutes ago: added more description of my process: https://indiewebcamp.com/summary#Kartik_Prabhu http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-09/line/1447139319566
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# edited /summary (-1) "/* Kevin Marks */ t" (view diff)
# anyone here use /Medium's editor? do they have a UI for providing/designating a summary?
# RT @aaronpk: #IndieWebCamp MIT Day 1, morning crowd with Edinburgh, and afternoon with more MIT locals https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/663198487748571136/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/664077646154846208)
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# @alicegoldfuss Why not both? Personal site and syndicate to Medium and various other places? That's what I do :) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664090068563439616)
# I should probably get [brid.gy](https://brid.gy) integrated at some point. It looks pretty cool. #indieweb http://kongaloosh.com/e/2015/11/10/i-should-probably-get-brid (twitter.com/_/status/664090523997745152)
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# edited /User:Kongaloosh.com (+2) "/* Doing (main itches) */" (view diff)
# edited /User:Kongaloosh.com (+68) "/* Done */" (view diff)
# Ironic thing about https://twitter.com/IdentityWoman/status/663871219049979905 is that the very next year, the very first IndieWebCamp was 25% women http://indiewebcamp.com/File:indie-web-camp-2011.jpg and co-founded 50% by women.
# ^^^ aaronpk what the what is going on with that Flickr URL?!?
# of course we can always be doing better, yet we shouldn't neglect/ignore the progress made since 2010.
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# ooh! I got webmentions.
# Kongaloosh++ congrats!!
# Kongaloosh has 6 karma
# happy tuesday, Kongaloosh
# yay, i got mobilepub fixed last night
# :D
# i couldn't sleep
# tantek flick caches search results, the string after /in/photolist- is the cache id
# it revealed the biggest issue was actually indieid has some issue, not sure what yet
# ben_thatmustbeme++ yay for getting mobilepub working again!
# ben_thatmustbeme has 120 karma
# what is Reeder?
# no, the mobilepub side was that it was written before indieauth.com actually cared about csrf so it didn't use state=
# doesn't really effect a private browser that you can't load externally, but meh
# so i fake it for now
# alos indieid just never reterns anything from an attempt to verify the key, not sure why
# Kongaloosh++ congrats on your first webmention!
# Kongaloosh has 7 karma
# Kongaloosh++
# Kongaloosh has 8 karma
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# anyone here POSSE to Flickr? Now that I'm using Bridgy to POSSE photos to Twitter & FB, and I do have a lot of photos (and friends) on Flickr, I was considering doing that automatically too.
# we should lean on kylewm to work on bridgy publish flickr support! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/432
# +1
# oops I thought the support was already there because adactio POSSEs to Flickr
# but maybe he is calling Flickr APIs directly!
# lets just get snarfed and kylewm to do all the work for us :P
# lol
# we'd also need flickr publish support for silo SWAT0
# ooh!
# so far flickr and facebok are the only two possibilities
# I do posse to flickr, but I'm doing it the lazy way of using a wp plugin
# however, for backfeed, I did write my importer for flickr if that helps
# Yeah, I publish directly to Flickr https://gist.github.com/adactio/a9c7e419b2913f318bd1 and then get responses via Bridgy
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# edited /Falcon (+770) "/* improve replies details */ before that, implement summary more text UI so I can switch to using Bridgy Publish for all my POSSEing to FB (instead of Twitter->FB crossposting)" (view diff)
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# edited /Falcon (+317) "/* improve photo posts */ auto POSSE photos to Flickr" (view diff)
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# Has anyone seen CSSgram? http://una.im/CSSgram/
# obv if you pull the photos directly from instagram the filter will already be applied
# but maybe you could host the original on your site
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# I think medium treats an h2 under the h1 as a summary, and a photo there as featured
# docs? URL?
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# edited /Falcon (-103) "update current POSSE / photos support per this past weekend's implementations, auto POSSE photos to Facebook DONE, POSSE tweet photo DONE via Bridgy Publish, POSSE photos to Twitter via their API deprioritized to a minor itch" (view diff)
# Eg the h2 here is used for the front page Summary https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/not-in-our-stars-b0ad8af50b91
# tantek, about auto-posse to FB: I dropped that due the we-can-use-your-stuff policy of FB, are you not concerned about that?
# Hm, and apparently the first image too
# On slack
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# So they put it in the ogp
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# petermolnar - since the photos are already public on IG, I'm not sure putting them public on FB makes it any worse?
# ah, that explains it :)
# yeah, I don't think it makes a difference then
# eventually I hope to switch to using ownyourgram + micropub
# and then figure out my own photo posting / hosting solution independent of IG
# at that point I may start subsetting the photos I POSSE to FB
# until then I'm not sure it makes much difference
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# rhiaro: happy tuesday :0
# RT wiobyrne Publishing Your Content Online and Syndicating it Elsewhere #indieweb #publishing #medium… … https://twitter.com/wiobyrne/status/664116346666352640/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/664117603955310592)
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# had anyone here set up DNSSEC for their domain yet?
# what is DNSSEC?
# It looks like we don't have a page for "DNSSEC" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106n
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# created /DNSSEC (+189) "Created page with "DNSSEC is a security extension to [[DNS]] to allow verification and authentication of DNS records and domain names to prevent tampering with domain records and DNS-based middle-m..."" (view diff)
# edited /DNSSEC (+10) (view diff)
# I believe the missing page is a sign of not-yet-done by indieweb members :(
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# !tell petermolnar good timing re DNSSEC: https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-universal-dnssec/
# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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# RT @soapfanfiction: #JoinTheClub Check out the premiere of new #indieweb fave @Club5150Series now playing https://www.youtube.com/ … RT and… (twitter.com/_/status/664143356725850112)
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# Good afternoon
# !tell ben_thatmustbeme It didn't work for me
# Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# you updated? crap
# what happened?
# ben_thatmustbeme: GWG left you a message 24 seconds ago: It didn't work for me http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-10/line/1447180671306
# I logged in and it cycled back
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# thats what was happening before the update
# darn!
# i should try that version rather than my personal build
# Loqi suggestions, no telling within 120 seconds
# I agree
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# hey flickr users, does flickr have "mentions" independent of people tags? like @-mentioning people on twitter?
# looks like no, but i don't use it so i'm not sure
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# people sued to use tags for this https://www.flickr.com/search/?tags=kevinmarks
# me and blaine desperately grabbing wifi in NY
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# Kevinmarks, you are in town or were and didn't say anything?
#
snarfed1
2009
# Snarfed, no excuse. He should have retroactively told me that he was coming to town.
# I'm kidding, of course
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# Thinking about making event a custom post type in WordPress still and using that for all time based activities.
# GWG you use indieauth btw?
# suppose i could just go check that duh
# indieauth.com that is, and yes, i see you do
# So what happened?
# i don't know yet
# Ok
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# [mention] Tino Kremer commented '@wiobyrne that looks a lot like POSSE: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #indieweb' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://tinokremer.nl/2015/wiobyrne-that-looks-a-lot-like-posse-posse-indieweb)
# @tinokremer yes, it is POSSE :) just trying to share #indieweb with my #literacies friends #LRA (twitter.com/_/status/664167935397654528)
# [bridgy] William Ian O'Byrne replied '@tinokremer yes, it is POSSE :) just trying to share #indieweb with my #literacies friends #LRA' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/wiobyrne/status/664167935397654528)
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# GWG really weird since http://ben.thatmustbe.me/static/mobilepub/ was built on my home machine with the same code
# ugh, i really need someone to look over that code
# edited /Known (+69) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
# new ssl cert on indiewebcamp.com!
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# edited /Known (+362) "/* Itches */" (view diff)
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# aaronpk++
# aaronpk has 3 karma
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# RT @loschi: #indieweb Vortrag von @LukasRosenstock auf #wmgi sehr inspirierend! Danke! (twitter.com/_/status/664171869969494017)
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# snarfed1: Getting an exception error on backfeed. One came through on retry, others still failed. https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1447186657&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyNQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIid0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo2NjQxNzI2MTIyMzk1NjA3MDQM
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# edited /Reeder (+132) "Add screenshot of Tantke's feed in Reeder" (view diff)
# Are there ways to participate the the website club remotely?
# hmmm, so unmung converts rss in to mf2
# is there anything for the reverse
# Hey funwhilelost. Sure, ping the person listed as organiser for your preferred HWC and see if they'll set up a talky.io or similar
# Where are you based?
# Cool. I'm in Seattle.
# ben_thatmustbeme: i wrote something for that: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/hfeed2atom
# Alternatively, you could start your own HWC!
# not a complete thing though
# I know someone in Seattle who might be interested
# But remoting into another HWC is a good place to start
# funwhilelost: if you start your own, i have a friend i have been trying to convince to go to one. he didn't seem to keep on the idea of driving from seattle to SF for some reason :P
# We've had people remote into Edinburgh ones before
# ben_thatmustbeme: Ann is also there!
# Sounds like the makings of a new HWC..
# indeed
# ben_thatmustbeme: great. Would love to get one going here.
# I remoted in
# i'm not there funwhilelost, my friend just moved cross country to seattle
# Was it any good?
# Kongaloosh is dedicated
# Or should I just hang out on IRC tonight and hack.
# KartikPrabhu: cool, its a start though
# i may just try to rewrite in socialstreams
# i'm just going to start making it convert things to other things all around
# funwhilelost: I don't think there's one tonight
# at least, Edinburgh is in a different timezone, and may have already happened?
# streams/feeds/whatever
# Right... that would have just wrapped up.
# tbrb, Kongaloosh, you did HWC tonight?
# I did not, personally, I'm pretty ill
# though it would have finished ~ 1hr ago I'd imagine
# who's in charge when you're ill, tbrb?
# also, sorry to hear that
# funwhilelost: I thought Rob Dolin wanted to do a Homebrew Website Club in Seattle but I can't find a reference for it.
# funwhilelost: add Seattle WA and your name to this list! https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Up-and-coming_Meetings
# Next person would be Kongaloosh I'd guess, rhiaro, though people actually seem to organise themselves :v
# awesome tbrb
# not that it's anything as formal as that :v
# Did someone say something about remoting into an HWC?
# brb getting pi for ordinal pi day 2015-314
# GWG: I was curious if people were remoting into the Edinburgh meetup.
# I'd like to remote into somewhere
# ben_thatmustbeme: granary also does mf2 => atom: https://granary-demo.appspot.com/?input=html
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# gRegorLove: looks like webmention discovery failed on your domain at some point. did you retry any of the responses? that clears the cached discovery and retries
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# snarfed: Seems to be working
# yay good
# retrybutton++
# retrybutton has 1 karma
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# Well, maybe.
# First retry seems to work. Subsequent ones don't.
# Maybe I'm retrying too many at once? :)
# nah
# looking
# GWG we may be able to set you up
# Kongaloosh: Is this just your attempt to hear more of my story?
# gRegorLove: if it's the capitalized domain i'm going to laugh :P
# Yes!
# We haven't gotten to the 2000s yet
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# I just like to be inspired by others working on their site, no matter where they are
# Although I have always wanted to visit Scotland
# gRegorLove: not sure what happened, but they're all sent now
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# snarfed: By the way, the new functionality was very helpful, thank you
# GWG: which?
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# Resending
# ah, good!
# yeah, the retry button is way more powerful now. reruns OPD, clears a bunch of cached stuff, etc
# personally i'm also partial to the extra info on user pages now: next poll, last synd link, webmention sent, etc
# ...but that may just be me
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# snarfed: Cool. Did you initiate the retry or it just resolved itself?
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# snarfed: Noticed the poll/syndication link info. Definitely like it!
# both poll and responses auto-retry, with exponential backoff capped at every hour
# which continues for a day total
# Ah! Sweet.
# i retried one, the rest auto retried
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# Known users: when you want to 'u-like-of' a post from Known do you just add the <a> to your post/status?
# time to publish photo to IG to my site then POSSE to Twitter + FB: 2 minutes
# funwhilelost: pretty sure Known has a "like" post type you can just create and paste in a URL
# no need to do any markup as a user
# same thing with replies
# Hmm... it's not obvious how to access it. The posting flow starts with "Status Update", "Post", "Photo", "Bookmark", "Location", "Audio". From these you can choose "Reply to a site" but I don't see a way to do the rest of the webmentions.
# hm, I like them in woodwind and it posts the like to known; not sure what the plumbing is
# What's woodwind?
# It may be that micropub is happy to add the content to Known but I don't see an obvious way to do it in the posting UI.
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# I just realized that it's now the year mentioned in this tweet and, basically, yep https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/347020973976997888 (twitter.com/_/status/664204950923165696)
# 1993: WWW. 2004 (11 years later): Web 2.0. 2015 (11 years later): we wrote everything in javascript and literally nothing works sorry lol (twitter.com/_/status/347020973976997888)
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# funwhilelost: if you use the share book marklet you get a like option
# so do that with your known
# Oh, cool. Thanks.
# Just to confirm: when you indieweb "like" a post it creates an empty status with a 'u-like-of' webmention?
# it doesn't need to be empty - it can have summary text saying "you like ... "
# Probably worth filing an issue on https://github.com/idno/Known/issues
# Yeah, I'll definitely file an issue. In the /share UI it clearly shows the option for "like", "bookmark", "reply" at the top. When you click "Status Update" from the home page it does not show those options.
# Yeah, that's what I was just noticing. Seems it should be on the regular Status Update UI too.
# makes sense
# try signing into https://reader.kylewm.com/ with your known site and folowing people
# then tuen on the micropub in settings https://reader.kylewm.com/settings
# then you get to repost, like and reply
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# oh you have one
# hmmm
# webmention.io isn't seeing it
# is confused
# it's a rel not a property on the h-entry
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# could be that the bug is me
# no wait