#indiewebcamp 2015-11-10

2015-11-10 UTC
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@amye @alicegoldfuss Oh, didn’t even consider that. I may be too #indieweb for that. Or I’m lazy and haven’t blogged in years. (twitter.com/_/status/663887430924296192)
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aaronpk speaking of how awful client certs are, is anyone else having trouble logging in to startssl.com right now or is it just me?
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aaronpk same error on two different computers
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[shaners] RE: the post-type / h-* discussion. I think it’s about the Robustness Principle (aka Postel’s Law).
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[shaners] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle
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[shaners] Conservative output. Liberal input.
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ben_thatmustbeme That would imply never post more that one h-type
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[shaners] Funny. I read it the other way. But I see your point.
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[shaners] There’s no harm in marking up posts with something more than h-entry. For more specificity. If it helps a downstream consumer to have something more type specific, great.
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[shaners] If consumers just treat a post as an h-entry, then no harm no foul.
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[shaners] But if a downstream consumer does something else based on posttype / h-*, then they get it for free/cheaper.
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ben_thatmustbeme Doesn't help what to do with jf2. Unless we move to multi type
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ben_thatmustbeme Or just only pick up the h-entry and dump the h-blahblah
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ben_thatmustbeme Postel's from the jf2 parser perspective
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@soapfanfiction #JoinTheClub Check out the premiere of new #indieweb fave @Club5150Series now playing https://www.youtube.com/ … RT and Share (twitter.com/_/status/663908381044805633)
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ben_thatmustbeme Read whatever only output one type and have it the most well known one
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snarfed aaronpk: are you getting ssl_error_unknown_ca_alert?
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snarfed if so, delete all of their Software Security Device certs
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snarfed in firefox, it's prefs, advanced, certificates, view certificates
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snarfed https://forum.startcom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15942&p=21733&hilit=ssl_error_unknown_ca_alert&sid=3afd578491d61ffedbf08dceea066e39#p21733
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snarfed i have to do that every year when i renew
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aaronpk snarfed: what do you mean? do I need a new client cert from them? i thought that one didn't expire?
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aaronpk yeah mine says it expires in 2017
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[shaners] Anyhow, I’m crashing for the night. Sweet dreams, indiewebcamp!
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aaronpk oops no wrong one
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aaronpk omg it did expire
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[snarfed] yeah, every year
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aaronpk i swear i didn't do this last year
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[snarfed] i did
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[snarfed] shrug!
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aaronpk i sure hope i can get back to my account :/
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aaronpk noooooo
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[snarfed] you should be able to, i did
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[snarfed] ?!
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Loqi yea
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aaronpk my class 2 validation is gone, and i can't retrieve any of my previous certs
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[snarfed] :(:(:(
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aaronpk *headdesk*
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[snarfed] you didn't happen to export it first, did you?
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aaronpk i did, but it's expired so it won't let me use it
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[snarfed] ok
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[snarfed] check out that link?
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[snarfed] crosses fingers
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aaronpk ah that's what he means
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aaronpk "I also notice you need a merge, send us an email to..."
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aaronpk merging the old and new account
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bear yea, I do that almost every year
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bear they just merge your old account to the new one
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aaronpk *whew*
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aaronpk I assuem they just need my email address and they can figure it out from there?
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bear yep
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aaronpk crosses fingers
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bear once you validate as the same email again
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aaronpk so much for trying to renew indiewebcat.com tonight
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[snarfed] can't wait for let's encrypt
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aaronpk and indiewebcamp.com expires tomorrow evening!
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bear they are generally very fast - and this is their daytime hours :)
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aaronpk true. they have always been very good about support.
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[snarfed] on a related note, this makes a lot of sense: https://letsencrypt.org//2015/11/09/why-90-days.html
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aaronpk oh interesting
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aaronpk yeah 1 year is long enough to completely forget whatever process you went through
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bear sure, once cert renewal is automated, then lower TTL makes a lot of sense
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aaronpk honestly i wouldn't mind even if the startssl certs expired every 90 days. mayyybe 120 days.
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aaronpk it would force me to be better about proactively renewing and automating as much as possible
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aaronpk i do have enough certs now that i'm renewing them pretty often, so i've streamlined it as much as i can
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bear that is why I now always use a shell script to generate everything - documentation is built in
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aaronpk documentation++
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aaronpk automation++
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Loqi documentation has 5 karma
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Loqi automation has 6 karma
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bear documentation++
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bear automation++
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Loqi documentation has 6 karma
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Loqi slow down!
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bear :P
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aaronpk well that was fast
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aaronpk i'm back in! \o/
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bear timezone coverage FTW
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aaronpk seriously considering scripting this domain verification process
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aaronpk it would appear i am not the only one to have thought of this https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=startssl
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bear :)
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aaronpk the effort of automating it is ever so slightly more work than doing this manually
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aaronpk i'm not sure it would pay off, especially if i start using let's encrypt soon
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bear if all of the ones I used to manage at &yet were in the same month... then I would have automated
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bear but since most of them were one-off's it was much faster to click around
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aaronpk it'd be pretty great to have a command line utility for `verify-domain example.com` that would receive the verification code and submit it back
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tantek from what I understand, Let's Encrypt is supposed to help automate this stuff
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk which is why it's not worth it for me to automate the startssl process
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strugee Let's Encrypt is soooooo close
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strugee it's awesome
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aaronpk wow with class 2 validation i can add a whole bunch of domains to the same cert
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strugee aaronpk: that's not for free, is it?
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aaronpk i paid the $60 fee for the year
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aaronpk lets me get as many wildcard certs as i want, so the cost was recouped already
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aaronpk plus those certs are good for 2 years even if i don't pay $60 next year
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jasons @aaronpk sorry just joined; sounds like a good deal — where is this?
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aaronpk startssl.com
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jasons aha ty
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aaronpk it's a terrible interface and there are many reasons to avoid it, but i've been using it nonetheless
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strugee wow, that's actually not that bad
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aaronpk aside from the UX issues, the biggest catch is that if you want to revoke a cert you have to pay $20
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strugee I'm on their free tier and it kills, because it takes forever to renew certs and I have to do it twice in the year because half of my subdomains were registered months apart
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[snarfed] $24.99
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aaronpk i feel like i'm finally getting the hang of the process now, only took like 2 years
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[snarfed] also you can only renew 2w before expiration :/
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strugee I'm way, way too good because I have like 15 subdomains that each have to have their own _individual cert_
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aaronpk i was wondering what that threshold was
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aaronpk what is StartSSL?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "StartSSL" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106m
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strugee aaronpk: what threshold?
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aaronpk StartSSL is a service that provides SSL certificates
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loqi.me created /StartSSL (+79) "prompted by aaronpk https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-09/line/1447125772387 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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strugee also, there's definitely a page already mentioning StartSSL
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strugee what is HTTPS?
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aaronpk the threshold of how long before expiration you can renew. since i know they don't let you create another cert that matches a current active cert
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Loqi HTTPS is an abbreviation for Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure, a protocol for secure communication, supported by web servers (like Apache & nginx) and browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/HTTPS
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aaronpk HTTPS links to StartSSL but there is no page
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strugee yeah, that's what I was thinking of
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strugee aaronpk: I love your "Why do I need this?" answer in the twtr.io FAQ
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strugee > You probably don't
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aaronpk haha
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Loqi i love me too
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tantek wat
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aaronparecki.com edited /StartSSL (+1546) "expand with my experience" (view diff)
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aaronpk there, got that whole conversation on the wiki
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bear there is a "trick" to the only one domain active restriction
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bear they validate the primary domain but with a wildcard you can have a www. and also a *.
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bear so if you need to revoke, you can re-issue using foo. and *.
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aaronpk there is apparently another trick, which is you can add other domains to the cert. so now i have two certs active for ownyourgram.com for example
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aaronpk this is a little scary, but yay https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5757/22723636270_38b2c6dc67_n.jpg
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bear crazy
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bear I never thought to try that
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aaronpk the interesting thing is ownyourgram.com already has an active cert
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GWG Think I should give up on startssl in favor of Let's Encrypt?
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aaronpk probably
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aaronpk hooray for getting a new cert before i need to cut over so it actually has time to propagate through the ocsp thingies
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aaronpk tomorrow i will launch the new indiewebcamp.com cert
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bear nicely done!
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strugee no one cares about OCSP though :/
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aaronpk what do you mean?
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GWG Why not?
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strugee browsers, I mean
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aaronpk go visit https://indiewebcat.com in firefox right now, you'll see an OCSP error
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strugee I've added an exception but earlier I saw an expired cert error
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strugee not an OCSP error
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aaronpk i literally just replaced the cert
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aaronpk now it shows an OCSP error
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strugee ah, OK
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strugee I'm not getting an OCSP error
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strugee aaronpk: what browser?
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aaronpk firefox
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strugee do you have security.OCSP.require set to true?
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aaronpk uh i don't know, i've never changed any settings in firefox
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tantek snarfed++ for updating the bridgy docs re: 201!
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Loqi snarfed has 166 karma
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strugee it's also in the Advanced settings panel
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aaronpk it's set to false
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aaronpk .enabled is set to 1
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aaronpk point is, i've never changed any of these settings, so whatever firefox is shipping with makes it care about OCSP errors
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strugee tries with a fresh profile
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strugee last I checked it didn't hard-fail but maybe they changed it
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: not styled, but i added an option to socialstreams to allow outputting as html instead of plaintext
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 119 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm planning to figure out some generic styling to get things rendering in to at least something useful
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ben_thatmustbeme can feed things back in to itself over and over now
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ben_thatmustbeme http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstream.thatmustbe.us%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fstream.thatmustbe.us%252F%253Furl%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fben.thatmustbe.me%25252Fnote%25252F2014%25252F9%25252F10%25252F8%25252F_%2526op%253Dmf2-jf2%26op%3Djf2-mf2%26ashtml%3D1&op=mf2-jf2
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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strugee aaronpk: I see it now
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strugee I wonder why I can't reproduce it in my main profile?
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bear i'm guessing a security exception is in that profile
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[aaronpk] Omg I just realized why I get the SSL expiration warning emails two weeks before the cert expires
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[aaronpk] *headdesk* thanks snarfed
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[aaronpk] I always assumed I couldn't get a new cert until closer to the expiration so I kept ignoring those emails lol
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bear chuckles
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bear startssl is one of the orgs that I pay attention to every email they send
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bear because they don't send anything at all unless it's actionable
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strugee bear: yeah I added an exception for the just-expired cert, but it should have been invalidated when aaronpk installed the new cert, right?
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bear I don't think so, it stores them by domain IIRC
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strugee huh
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strugee ok
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[aaronpk] bear: good point. I will pay more attention in the future :-)
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strugee that must be it, then
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bear exception certs and all that is why I test certs using private browsing tabs
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bear that way it's always a fresh/clean view
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strugee that's actually brilliant
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strugee bear++
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Loqi bear has 81 karma
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tantek what is summary?
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Loqi A summary is short text that conveys a post's main point(s), or a plain text equivalent for kinds of posts like likes and RSVPs that use other properties to convey their meaning https://indiewebcamp.com/summary
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tantek does anyone have a UI for explicitlyauthoring a summary in their posts? e.g. in a note or article?
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tantek !tell KartikPrabhu do you have a specific UI for indicating or writing a p-summary for your posts? Or do you just manually add p-summary markup to your articles? https://indiewebcamp.com/summary#Kartik_Prabhu
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /summary (+461) "service support / Bridgy" (view diff)
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kevinmarks just manually added some
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tantek.com edited /summary (+990) "expand why, POSSE excerpt; brainstorming, more text UI" (view diff)
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@IdentityWoman Remember Federated Social Web, IndieWeb stuff, there was Diaspora. I'm Looking to find women into these things. Men say they know none. (twitter.com/_/status/663939727230308352)
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@stimpyjaycat RT @IdentityWoman: Remember Federated Social Web, IndieWeb stuff, there was Diaspora. I'm Looking to find women into these things. Men say … (twitter.com/_/status/663942344664854528)
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@rabbyte RT @IdentityWoman: Remember Federated Social Web, IndieWeb stuff, there was Diaspora. I'm Looking to find women into these things. Men say … (twitter.com/_/status/663945187358437376)
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@benwerd @IdentityWoman And: @rhiaro is massively involved in both indieweb and W3C decentralized social efforts. (twitter.com/_/status/663946408135819264)
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ben_thatmustbeme fixed mobilepub for now
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@bunnyhero RT @IdentityWoman: Remember Federated Social Web, IndieWeb stuff, there was Diaspora. I'm Looking to find women into these things. Men say … (twitter.com/_/status/663959321122861056)
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@WomeninVenture RT @IdentityWoman: Remember Federated Social Web, IndieWeb stuff, there was Diaspora. I'm Looking to find women into these things. Men say … (twitter.com/_/status/663972093613072384)
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KartikPrabhu that's not a good sign ^
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 57 minutes ago: do you have a specific UI for indicating or writing a p-summary for your posts? Or do you just manually add p-summary markup to your articles? https://indiewebcamp.com/summary#Kartik_Prabhu http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-09/line/1447128149293
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek manually. Only my articles have p-summary which by my definition are posts authored in HTML
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kartikprabhu.com edited /summary (+118) "/* Kartik Prabhu */" (view diff)
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kartikprabhu.com edited /summary (+11) "/* Kartik Prabhu */ minor edit to emphaiss Django" (view diff)
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kartikprabhu.com edited /summary (+68) "/* Kartik Prabhu */" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek added more description of my process: https://indiewebcamp.com/summary#Kartik_Prabhu
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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kevinmarks.com edited /summary (+160) "/* Kevin Marks */" (view diff)
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kevinmarks http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkartikprabhu.com%2F
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KartikPrabhu kevinmarks: I have seen those. Very cool!
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kevinmarks I started adding them too
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KartikPrabhu could use a bit of flexbox magic to make the look like actual cards
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kevinmarks they are flexbox'd, but the image aspect ratio varies
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kevinmarks http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkevinmarks.com
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kevinmarks only 2 on mine
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KartikPrabhu aah yes. because I don't give the cropped version to non-JS users. I should change that
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cweiske kevinmarks, the link on "html as tex replacement" is broken
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cweiske goes to your homepage
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kevinmarks hm
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KartikPrabhu for me it goes to the present page
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KartikPrabhu i.e. the story card onre
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KartikPrabhu one*
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cweiske right
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cweiske that happens
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cweiske I'd expect that the article comes up
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cweiske and not that I stay on the list
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KartikPrabhu yes
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KartikPrabhu me too
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KartikPrabhu on my story card page it works
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kevinmarks ah. I didn't amrk pup the url when I made them nested
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cweiske for kevin it also works for all but the first 2 cards
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kevinmarks yes, when I wrapped a div around the h-entry I forgot to mark up u-url
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kevinmarks fixed http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkevinmarks.com
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cweiske kevinmarks, re htmlversustex - writing formulas in tex is still so much easier than in any other language
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cweiske especially when taking notes during lecture
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kevinmarks that's fair; I was arguing for better output to HTML
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kevinmarks and SVG in particualr
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kevinmarks svg lets you position each glyph
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kevinmarks https://www.mathjax.org looks promising
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KartikPrabhu i use mathjax in some of my articles
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KartikPrabhu but tex is so horrible while writing whole documents
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KartikPrabhu what really is needed is a good writing UI that allows input in tex for formulae and then convert them to mathml
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kevinmarks there are ones that convert to SVG
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KartikPrabhu I had half a mind to work on such a thing but then didn't pursue it because it was too much work for a side-project
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KartikPrabhu SVG that they make still depends on JS and is not accessible
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[kevinmarks] Right, that's what I was getting at - SVG text
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[kevinmarks] Except not made badly by hand like mine.
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[kevinmarks] Is mathematica no good either?
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KartikPrabhu oh mathematica is horrible because it has this propreitay fornat for things
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KartikPrabhu format*
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KartikPrabhu kevinmarks: here is an article that uses mathjax: https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/euclids-space
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cweiske \[ d^2 = (x_2 - x_1)^2 + (y_2 - y_1)^2 \]
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cweiske doesn't look rendered to me :)
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cweiske at Pythagoras’ distance
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cweiske ah, js errors
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KartikPrabhu oh no. something failed!
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KartikPrabhu it used to work :(
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KartikPrabhu see what I mean! :P
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KartikPrabhu JS is so fragile!
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[kevinmarks] Yep.
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[kevinmarks] So are fonts
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KartikPrabhu a browser update can kill older pages
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KartikPrabhu kevinmarks: I try not to rely on fonts. Even if they don't load it is OK
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KartikPrabhu but mathjax relies on all these fonts it wants to use with no way to say "use the default font on the page"
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[kevinmarks] Right, but to do equations in SVG text you need them
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KartikPrabhu yes!
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[kevinmarks] As most fonts don't have math symbols
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KartikPrabhu math on the Web is a big problem that no one is addressing
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KartikPrabhu i should write up my huge rant on this
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Loqi it is probable
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[kevinmarks] Well, I was fooled as it works on Mac and Chromebook
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KartikPrabhu mathjax used to work great on FF with mathml rendering but something seems to have failed
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[kevinmarks] Do write your rant
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[kevinmarks] Did I mention my other mad SVG idea?
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KartikPrabhu hmm on what?
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[kevinmarks] Put data points in the SVG directly for graphs to correct sig figs, and change view coordinates instead
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[kevinmarks] For linear charts anyway
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KartikPrabhu yeah that works if you know how to write SVG
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KartikPrabhu but again there needs to be a better authoring UI
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[kevinmarks] Indeed
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell GWG https://build.phonegap.com/apps/1261335/builds
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme fixed
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ben_thatmustbeme well, working, i still need to fix indieid, there is clearly some issue there
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@parktouch @soapfanfiction @Club5150Series stop spamming the indieweb hashtag (twitter.com/_/status/664068455042187264)
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tantek ^^^ that is a very strange reply, as AFAIK the account replying doesn't use the indieweb hashtag either
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 6 hours, 26 minutes ago: manually. Only my articles have p-summary which by my definition are posts authored in HTML http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-09/line/1447138833100
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 6 hours, 18 minutes ago: added more description of my process: https://indiewebcamp.com/summary#Kartik_Prabhu http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-09/line/1447139319566
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tantek anyone here use /Medium's editor? do they have a UI for providing/designating a summary?
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@kongaloosh RT @aaronpk: #IndieWebCamp MIT Day 1, morning crowd with Edinburgh, and afternoon with more MIT locals https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/663198487748571136/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/664077646154846208)
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@tinokremer @alicegoldfuss Why not both? Personal site and syndicate to Medium and various other places? That's what I do :) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664090068563439616)
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@kongaloosh I should probably get [brid.gy](https://brid.gy) integrated at some point. It looks pretty cool. #indieweb http://kongaloosh.com/e/2015/11/10/i-should-probably-get-brid (twitter.com/_/status/664090523997745152)
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tantek Ironic thing about https://twitter.com/IdentityWoman/status/663871219049979905 is that the very next year, the very first IndieWebCamp was 25% women http://indiewebcamp.com/File:indie-web-camp-2011.jpg and co-founded 50% by women.
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@IdentityWoman Federated Social Web Summit Photo from 2010...one woman...me. https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/4821045757/in/photolist-8n3snb-7ZQm2Y-8jHiDo-88dEGg-8AAwM4-7Po2oB-8mBYhg-8wuCdH-8wxZio-8m27Wz-7Ps2d9-8wuCG6-8wuBNk-8GhYog-8k2y2x-8k72XQ-7Y82fi-7Y825x-95vtsV-9SaVgQ-8k5UGL-8ter7K-7VkrmE-8k5PUm-r5NNnL-7R32eW-928Wo5-8rAa2U-82rMrZ-8mXLjQ-8mXLDQ-8jjSdw-a4g8Jd-8U8URj-8U5R9p-7YbgAW-8k5MEC-7WpBAN-7WpDkU-7WmkVv-7WpCqj-7WpDAh-7WpCZC-7WpDL3-7WpBt5-7WpCP1-7WpBLj-7WpDdN-7WmmtR-8U8ViU It shouldn't be like this EVER. (twitter.com/_/status/663871219049979905)
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tantek ^^^ aaronpk what the what is going on with that Flickr URL?!?
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tantek of course we can always be doing better, yet we shouldn't neglect/ignore the progress made since 2010.
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Kongaloosh ooh! I got webmentions.
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tantek Kongaloosh++ congrats!!
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Loqi Kongaloosh has 6 karma
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rhiaro happy tuesday, Kongaloosh
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ben_thatmustbeme yay, i got mobilepub fixed last night
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Loqi :D
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ben_thatmustbeme i couldn't sleep
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petermolnar tantek flick caches search results, the string after /in/photolist- is the cache id
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ben_thatmustbeme it revealed the biggest issue was actually indieid has some issue, not sure what yet
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme++ yay for getting mobilepub working again!
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tantek was this an Android OS upgrade breakage?
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tantek what is Reeder?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/Reeder
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ben_thatmustbeme no, the mobilepub side was that it was written before indieauth.com actually cared about csrf so it didn't use state=
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ben_thatmustbeme doesn't really effect a private browser that you can't load externally, but meh
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ben_thatmustbeme so i fake it for now
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ben_thatmustbeme alos indieid just never reterns anything from an attempt to verify the key, not sure why
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tantek.com edited /Reeder (+198) "dfn, both ios and mac, subhead, see also" (view diff)
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@LukasRosenstock "Death by a thousand likes: How Facebook and Twitter are killing the open web": http://qz.com/545048/death-by-a-thousand-likes-how-facebook-and-twitter-are-killing-the-open-web/?utm_content=buffera49cb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664099066612195329)
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bear Kongaloosh++ congrats on your first webmention!
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ben_thatmustbeme Kongaloosh++
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Loqi Kongaloosh has 8 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme cool, hadn't read back yet
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tantek anyone here POSSE to Flickr? Now that I'm using Bridgy to POSSE photos to Twitter & FB, and I do have a lot of photos (and friends) on Flickr, I was considering doing that automatically too.
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snarfed we should lean on kylewm to work on bridgy publish flickr support! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/432
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Loqi +1
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tantek oops I thought the support was already there because adactio POSSEs to Flickr
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tantek but maybe he is calling Flickr APIs directly!
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ben_thatmustbeme lets just get snarfed and kylewm to do all the work for us :P
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snarfed lol
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snarfed we'd also need flickr publish support for silo SWAT0
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tantek ooh!
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snarfed so far flickr and facebok are the only two possibilities
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snarfed details: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/459#issuecomment-154229985
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petermolnar I do posse to flickr, but I'm doing it the lazy way of using a wp plugin
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petermolnar however, for backfeed, I did write my importer for flickr if that helps
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adactio Yeah, I publish directly to Flickr https://gist.github.com/adactio/a9c7e419b2913f318bd1 and then get responses via Bridgy
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+770) "/* improve replies details */ before that, implement summary more text UI so I can switch to using Bridgy Publish for all my POSSEing to FB (instead of Twitter->FB crossposting)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+317) "/* improve photo posts */ auto POSSE photos to Flickr" (view diff)
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tantek adactio++ Thanks for the gist link!
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Loqi adactio has 22 karma
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[jonnybarnes] Has anyone seen CSSgram? http://una.im/CSSgram/
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[jonnybarnes] obv if you pull the photos directly from instagram the filter will already be applied
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[jonnybarnes] but maybe you could host the original on your site
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[kevinmarks] I think medium treats an h2 under the h1 as a summary, and a photo there as featured
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tantek docs? URL?
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (-103) "update current POSSE / photos support per this past weekend's implementations, auto POSSE photos to Facebook DONE, POSSE tweet photo DONE via Bridgy Publish, POSSE photos to Twitter via their API deprioritized to a minor itch" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Eg the h2 here is used for the front page Summary https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/not-in-our-stars-b0ad8af50b91
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petermolnar tantek, about auto-posse to FB: I dropped that due the we-can-use-your-stuff policy of FB, are you not concerned about that?
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[kevinmarks] Hm, and apparently the first image too
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[kevinmarks] On slack
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[kevinmarks] So they put it in the ogp
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tantek petermolnar - since the photos are already public on IG, I'm not sure putting them public on FB makes it any worse?
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petermolnar ah, that explains it :)
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petermolnar yeah, I don't think it makes a difference then
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tantek eventually I hope to switch to using ownyourgram + micropub
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tantek and then figure out my own photo posting / hosting solution independent of IG
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tantek at that point I may start subsetting the photos I POSSE to FB
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tantek until then I'm not sure it makes much difference
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: happy tuesday :0
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@wiobyrne Publishing Your Content Online and Syndicating it Elsewhere #indieweb #publishing #medium… http://wiobyrne.com/publishing-your-content-online-and-syndicating-it-elsewhere/ https://twitter.com/wiobyrne/status/664116346666352640/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/664116346666352640)
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@kevinmarks “We need to stop pretending that content is free.” http://qz.com/545048/death-by-a-thousand-likes-how-facebook-and-twitter-are-killing-the-open-web/?utm_content=buffera49cb&utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=kevinmarks.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/664117006908522496)
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@realgaymania RT wiobyrne Publishing Your Content Online and Syndicating it Elsewhere #indieweb #publishing #medium… … https://twitter.com/wiobyrne/status/664116346666352640/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/664117603955310592)
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petermolnar had anyone here set up DNSSEC for their domain yet?
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@ValdisKrebs RT @kevinmarks: “We need to stop pretending that content is free.” http://qz.com/545048/death-by-a-thousand-likes-how-facebook-and-twitter-are-killing-the-open-web/?utm_content=buffera49cb&utm_medium=indieweb&utm_source=kevinmarks.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/664119118707204096)
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tantek what is DNSSEC?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DNSSEC" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106n
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petermolnar I'll add it
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petermolnar.eu created /DNSSEC (+189) "Created page with "DNSSEC is a security extension to [[DNS]] to allow verification and authentication of DNS records and domain names to prevent tampering with domain records and DNS-based middle-m..."" (view diff)
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petermolnar.eu edited /DNSSEC (+10) (view diff)
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petermolnar I believe the missing page is a sign of not-yet-done by indieweb members :(
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snarfed !tell petermolnar good timing re DNSSEC: https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-universal-dnssec/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@BCarusoPhoto RT @soapfanfiction: #JoinTheClub Check out the premiere of new #indieweb fave @Club5150Series now playing https://www.youtube.com/ … RT and… (twitter.com/_/status/664143356725850112)
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GWG Good afternoon
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Loqi GWG: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 6 hours, 40 minutes ago: https://build.phonegap.com/apps/1261335/builds http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-10/line/1447156579494
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GWG !tell ben_thatmustbeme It didn't work for me
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme you updated? crap
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ben_thatmustbeme what happened?
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme: GWG left you a message 24 seconds ago: It didn't work for me http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-10/line/1447180671306
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GWG I logged in and it cycled back
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ben_thatmustbeme damn
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ben_thatmustbeme thats what was happening before the update
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ben_thatmustbeme :(
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Loqi darn!
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ben_thatmustbeme i should try that version rather than my personal build
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GWG Loqi suggestions, no telling within 120 seconds
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Loqi I agree
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snarfed hey flickr users, does flickr have "mentions" independent of people tags? like @-mentioning people on twitter?
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snarfed looks like no, but i don't use it so i'm not sure
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snarfed (this is for https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/523#issuecomment-155523875 )
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[kevinmarks] people sued to use tags for this https://www.flickr.com/search/?tags=kevinmarks
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[kevinmarks] hah https://www.flickr.com/photos/mbiddulph/4116861374
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[kevinmarks] me and blaine desperately grabbing wifi in NY
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GWG Kevinmarks, you are in town or were and didn't say anything?
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snarfed1 2009
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GWG Snarfed, no excuse. He should have retroactively told me that he was coming to town.
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GWG I'm kidding, of course
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GWG Thinking about making event a custom post type in WordPress still and using that for all time based activities.
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG you use indieauth btw?
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ben_thatmustbeme suppose i could just go check that duh
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ben_thatmustbeme indieauth.com that is, and yes, i see you do
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GWG So what happened?
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't know yet
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GWG Ok
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@tinokremer @wiobyrne that looks a lot like POSSE: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664167142166765569)
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Loqi [mention] Tino Kremer commented '@wiobyrne that looks a lot like POSSE: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #indieweb' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://tinokremer.nl/2015/wiobyrne-that-looks-a-lot-like-posse-posse-indieweb)
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@wiobyrne @tinokremer yes, it is POSSE :) just trying to share #indieweb with my #literacies friends #LRA (twitter.com/_/status/664167935397654528)
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Loqi [bridgy] William Ian O'Byrne replied '@tinokremer yes, it is POSSE :) just trying to share #indieweb with my #literacies friends #LRA' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (https://twitter.com/wiobyrne/status/664167935397654528)
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG really weird since http://ben.thatmustbe.me/static/mobilepub/ was built on my home machine with the same code
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ben_thatmustbeme ugh, i really need someone to look over that code
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www.funwhilelost.com edited /Known (+69) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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aaronpk new ssl cert on indiewebcamp.com!
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www.funwhilelost.com edited /Known (+362) "/* Itches */" (view diff)
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@LukasRosenstock RT @loschi: #indieweb Vortrag von @LukasRosenstock auf #wmgi sehr inspirierend! Danke! (twitter.com/_/status/664171869969494017)
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gRegorLove snarfed1: Getting an exception error on backfeed. One came through on retry, others still failed. https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1447186657&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyNQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIid0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo2NjQxNzI2MTIyMzk1NjA3MDQM
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veganstraightedge.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:beeder-tantek-com-feed-link-whitespace.png]]""
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veganstraightedge.com edited /Reeder (+132) "Add screenshot of Tantke's feed in Reeder" (view diff)
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funwhilelost Are there ways to participate the the website club remotely?
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ben_thatmustbeme hmmm, so unmung converts rss in to mf2
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ben_thatmustbeme is there anything for the reverse
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rhiaro Hey funwhilelost. Sure, ping the person listed as organiser for your preferred HWC and see if they'll set up a talky.io or similar
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rhiaro Where are you based?
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funwhilelost Cool. I'm in Seattle.
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: i wrote something for that: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/hfeed2atom
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rhiaro Alternatively, you could start your own HWC!
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KartikPrabhu not a complete thing though
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rhiaro I know someone in Seattle who might be interested
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rhiaro But remoting into another HWC is a good place to start
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ben_thatmustbeme funwhilelost: if you start your own, i have a friend i have been trying to convince to go to one. he didn't seem to keep on the idea of driving from seattle to SF for some reason :P
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rhiaro We've had people remote into Edinburgh ones before
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rhiaro ben_thatmustbeme: Ann is also there!
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rhiaro Sounds like the makings of a new HWC..
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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Kongaloosh o/
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funwhilelost ben_thatmustbeme: great. Would love to get one going here.
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Kongaloosh I remoted in
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm not there funwhilelost, my friend just moved cross country to seattle
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funwhilelost Was it any good?
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rhiaro Kongaloosh is dedicated
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Kongaloosh :3
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funwhilelost Or should I just hang out on IRC tonight and hack.
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ben_thatmustbeme KartikPrabhu: cool, its a start though
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ben_thatmustbeme i may just try to rewrite in socialstreams
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm just going to start making it convert things to other things all around
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rhiaro funwhilelost: I don't think there's one tonight
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rhiaro at least, Edinburgh is in a different timezone, and may have already happened?
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ben_thatmustbeme streams/feeds/whatever
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funwhilelost Right... that would have just wrapped up.
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rhiaro tbrb, Kongaloosh, you did HWC tonight?
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tbrb I did not, personally, I'm pretty ill
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tbrb though it would have finished ~ 1hr ago I'd imagine
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rhiaro who's in charge when you're ill, tbrb?
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rhiaro also, sorry to hear that
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tantek funwhilelost: I thought Rob Dolin wanted to do a Homebrew Website Club in Seattle but I can't find a reference for it.
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tantek funwhilelost: add Seattle WA and your name to this list! https://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club#Up-and-coming_Meetings
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tbrb Next person would be Kongaloosh I'd guess, rhiaro, though people actually seem to organise themselves :v
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rhiaro awesome tbrb
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tbrb not that it's anything as formal as that :v
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GWG Did someone say something about remoting into an HWC?
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tantek brb getting pi for ordinal pi day 2015-314
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funwhilelost GWG: I was curious if people were remoting into the Edinburgh meetup.
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GWG I'd like to remote into somewhere
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: granary also does mf2 => atom: https://granary-demo.appspot.com/?input=html
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snarfed gRegorLove: looks like webmention discovery failed on your domain at some point. did you retry any of the responses? that clears the cached discovery and retries
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gRegorLove snarfed: Seems to be working
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snarfed yay good
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snarfed retrybutton++
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Loqi retrybutton has 1 karma
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gRegorLove Well, maybe.
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gRegorLove First retry seems to work. Subsequent ones don't.
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gRegorLove Maybe I'm retrying too many at once? :)
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snarfed nah
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snarfed looking
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Kongaloosh GWG we may be able to set you up
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GWG Kongaloosh: Is this just your attempt to hear more of my story?
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snarfed gRegorLove: if it's the capitalized domain i'm going to laugh :P
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Kongaloosh Yes!
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Kongaloosh We haven't gotten to the 2000s yet
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GWG I just like to be inspired by others working on their site, no matter where they are
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GWG Although I have always wanted to visit Scotland
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snarfed gRegorLove: not sure what happened, but they're all sent now
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GWG snarfed: By the way, the new functionality was very helpful, thank you
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snarfed GWG: which?
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GWG Resending
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snarfed ah, good!
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snarfed yeah, the retry button is way more powerful now. reruns OPD, clears a bunch of cached stuff, etc
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snarfed personally i'm also partial to the extra info on user pages now: next poll, last synd link, webmention sent, etc
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snarfed ...but that may just be me
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gRegorLove snarfed: Cool. Did you initiate the retry or it just resolved itself?
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gRegorLove snarfed: Noticed the poll/syndication link info. Definitely like it!
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snarfed both poll and responses auto-retry, with exponential backoff capped at every hour
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snarfed which continues for a day total
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gRegorLove Ah! Sweet.
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snarfed i retried one, the rest auto retried
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funwhilelost Known users: when you want to 'u-like-of' a post from Known do you just add the <a> to your post/status?
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funwhilelost There's also the "Reply to a site" link but I think that's just for 'u-in-reply-to'.
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tantek time to publish photo to IG to my site then POSSE to Twitter + FB: 2 minutes
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tantek funwhilelost: pretty sure Known has a "like" post type you can just create and paste in a URL
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tantek no need to do any markup as a user
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tantek same thing with replies
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funwhilelost Hmm... it's not obvious how to access it. The posting flow starts with "Status Update", "Post", "Photo", "Bookmark", "Location", "Audio". From these you can choose "Reply to a site" but I don't see a way to do the rest of the webmentions.
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kevinmarks_ hm, I like them in woodwind and it posts the like to known; not sure what the plumbing is
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funwhilelost What's woodwind?
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funwhilelost Ah - your reader app.
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funwhilelost It may be that micropub is happy to add the content to Known but I don't see an obvious way to do it in the posting UI.
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/664204950923165696
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@garybernhardt I just realized that it's now the year mentioned in this tweet and, basically, yep https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/347020973976997888 (twitter.com/_/status/664204950923165696)
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aaronpk original tweet: https://twitter.com/garybernhardt/status/347020973976997888
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@garybernhardt 1993: WWW. 2004 (11 years later): Web 2.0. 2015 (11 years later): we wrote everything in javascript and literally nothing works sorry lol (twitter.com/_/status/347020973976997888)
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[kevinmarks] funwhilelost: if you use the share book marklet you get a like option
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[kevinmarks] http://known.kevinmarks.com/share works for me
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[kevinmarks] so do that with your known
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funwhilelost Oh, cool. Thanks.
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funwhilelost Just to confirm: when you indieweb "like" a post it creates an empty status with a 'u-like-of' webmention?
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tantek it doesn't need to be empty - it can have summary text saying "you like ... "
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gRegorLove Probably worth filing an issue on https://github.com/idno/Known/issues
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funwhilelost Yeah, I'll definitely file an issue. In the `/share` UI it clearly shows the option for "like", "bookmark", "reply" at the top. When you click "Status Update" from the home page it does not show those options.
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gRegorLove Yeah, that's what I was just noticing. Seems it should be on the regular Status Update UI too.
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tantek makes sense
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[kevinmarks] try signing into https://reader.kylewm.com/ with your known site and folowing people
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[kevinmarks] then tuen on the micropub in settings https://reader.kylewm.com/settings
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[kevinmarks] then you get to repost, like and reply
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rhiaro Kongaloosh: you need an in-reply-to on this post and send me a webmention yo http://kongaloosh.com/e/2015/11/10/yeah-my-micropub-endpoint-was-the-first-thing-i-built-so-that-i-could-just-use-quill-instead-of-making-my-own-forms
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rhiaro oh you have one
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rhiaro hmmm
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rhiaro webmention.io isn't seeing it
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rhiaro is confused
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rhiaro it's a rel not a property on the h-entry
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rhiaro could be that the bug is me
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rhiaro no wait
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rhiaro it's not because http://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/11/tried-quill has nothing