#indiewebcamp 2015-11-11

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rhiaro I do have a bug where I don't pick up the content of some mentions from webmention.io, but this can't be that
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aaronpk hopes this is not his fault
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rhiaro I need to debug this when I'm less sleepy, but if anyone else fancies looking into it, do..
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tantek !tell benwerd I posted a like (and sent webmentions) http://tantek.com/2015/314/f1 to your post http://werd.io/2015/open-issues-lessons-learned-building-an-open-source-business and Twitter copy, and neither showed up on your post!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd Hmmmm
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 days, 3 hours ago: congrats on your success of becoming a big enough target for spammers to create scripts for! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-07/line/1446929260088
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 34 seconds ago: I posted a like (and sent webmentions) http://tantek.com/2015/314/f1 to your post http://werd.io/2015/open-issues-lessons-learned-building-an-open-source-business and Twitter copy, and neither showed up on your post! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-10/line/1447202498760
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tantek similarly, kylewm's reply https://kylewm.com/2015/11/honestly-it-s-just-making-me-a-lot-more-realistic did not show up on your post, only his Tweet POSSE copy did
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benwerd I'll check it out as part of my Known sprint later on
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tantek I also posted a like of one of the Known replies to your post: http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2015/benwerd-first-thank-you-to-and-erin-for-building-a
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tantek here: http://tantek.com/2015/314/f2 and that didn't show up on the original post either
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tantek another Known data point (I don't know what version of Known that Greg is running)
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[kevinmarks] ben, did you see the 'like etc is only on share page' discussion?
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funwhilelost https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1098
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tantek benwerd++ thank you for persevering through all our bug reports / feature requests.
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Loqi benwerd has 99 karma
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funwhilelost fwiw I'm planning on jumping in on some issues this week, too
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funwhilelost Scratching itches, mostly
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funwhilelost Known and the indie fork of selfoss are top of my list
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kylewm tantek: benwerd: my reply "honestly it's..." was in re to a different post
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benwerd kevinmarks: sorry, only just saw your comment. I did. We've found that "like" confuses people who aren't aware of the indieweb, so figuring out where to put that and how to make it clear is important.
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benwerd However, the integrated reader (ask me again at next HWC) makes that easier ...
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funwhilelost integrated reader... is on a branch somewhere?
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benwerd no
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benwerd we're releasing it to a few customers first, but the idea is that it will find its way into the public project
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ben_thatmustbeme Woah benwerd was still single digits?
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ben_thatmustbeme benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 100 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme That's better
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benwerd ha, thank you ben_thatmustbeme!
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp
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tantek benwerd: if it helps I got a HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request {"error":"no_link_found","error_text":"The source URI does not contain a link to the target URI."} when sending a manual curl webmention to greg's post:
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tantek curl -i -d "source=http://tantek.com/2015/314/f2&target=http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2015/benwerd-first-thank-you-to-and-erin-for-building-a" http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/webmention/
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benwerd Oh!
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benwerd That does help
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benwerd Thanks
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tantek but it's right there! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://tantek.com/2015/314/f2
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tantek (the u-like-of)
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tantek though I just got a 202 accepted when I tried a manual one to you
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tantek and NOW I just got a 202 accepted when I retried the same curl request to greg's post!
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tantek weird!
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tantek my curl to your post:
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tantek curl -i -d "source=http://tantek.com/2015/314/f1&target=http://werd.io/2015/open-issues-lessons-learned-building-an-open-source-business" http://werd.io/webmention/
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tantek and now I see my indie like showing up on your post: http://werd.io/2015/open-issues-lessons-learned-building-an-open-source-business#Tantek
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tantek so the weird question is - why would a webmention get a 400 from Known the first try but then a 202 the 2nd or 3rd try?
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benwerd Some kind of cache issue somewhere, potentially
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benwerd Hmmmmmm
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tantek benwerd I have this vague memory of having seen this before with your site, and that retrying 1-2 times would fix it
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tantek (back when I was always doing manual curl webmentions)
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benwerd Yes - I did iterate, but I guess I need to do more work. In my site's case, it's to do with Squid on CentOS. Greg's, I'm not sure yet.
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tantek and now my like is showing up on greg's post!
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tantek I'm wondering if we should develop some sort of good practice with how many times one should "retry" a webmention?
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tantek and how far apart (in time) ?
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tantek just to make it more robust
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kylewm iirc, it's not well-defined to know whether an asynchronous webmention failed yet
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kylewm I think that's the blocker for me in making more robust wm sending
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tantek kylewm: I'm talking about retrying specifically after receiving a 400
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kylewm I know
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tantek considering adding a task to try 10 seconds later
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tantek what I don't understand is the hybrid response
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tantek the immediate 400 link not found
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tantek or the 202 accepted and processing
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tantek one seems like a synchronous error
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tantek the other seems like an async queued
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kylewm maybe they do some sanity checking synchronously (e.g., does the target param refer to a post on this domain?) and then queue the actual processing
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kylewm that said, I think Known returns 202 for synchronous success https://github.com/idno/Known/blob/4d51420ec8f3dd35600da6e3159b8f81545d485f/Idno/Pages/Webmentions/Endpoint.php#L61
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[snarfed] tantek: iirc that retry best practice is on the wiki
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tantek figures :) thanks snarfed
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tantek also when I liked kylewm's post everything worked first try
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tantek redwind++
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Loqi redwind has 2 karma
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tantek wat
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[snarfed] (including bridgy's retry after 120s or so, then exponential backoff up to an hour, then hourly for a day)
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[snarfed] that's bridgy's retry policy. sorry if i was terse
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tantek np. got it.
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tantek still feeling "new" at this whole automatic webmention sending thing :)
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[snarfed] hey, out of curiosity, where's displaying webmentions in your itch priorities
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[snarfed] ?
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tantek I think it's most strongly associated with event posts
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tantek let me check
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[snarfed] sorry, i meant what priority is it
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[snarfed] it's https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Accept_Webmentions_Directly
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tantek snarfed I mean it's associated with my event posts itch IIRC and that has a particular priority in my "working on"
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tantek that is, my itchiness for displaying webmentions is driven by the most itchy use-case for displaying them
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[snarfed] got it
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[snarfed] interesting that you don't think of displaying them as a use case itself
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[snarfed] or is that just too broad
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[snarfed] i guess displaying rsvps is a subset
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tantek snarfed, rather, displaying them is a use case in and of itself, but not as compelling as the need for event posts displaying up to date RSVPs, commentary etc.
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tantek I'd really like to be able to use my site as a *replacement* for showing the full status of any public event I run with POSSE copies on Facebook (and maybe elsewhere)
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tantek rather than have to keep using FB for that :(
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[snarfed] sure!
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tantek for me, planning and making events happen where real people get to interact *in person* is much more compelling than "just" online dialog
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tantek and frankly I'm also concerned a bit about shifting the like/comment "dopamine rush" from silos to my own site. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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GWG tantek: On some level, it is nice to know you aren't talking to yourself though
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tantek I mean obviously I *am* going to shift it as much as I can, yet I'm a bit anxious about unintended consequences. I suppose I'll find out.
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[snarfed] you could just display replies, not likes or reposts
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tantek GWG - you're right - and right now I'm (a little) annoyed at myself for having to go around and check the responses on all the POSSE copies, as well as potentially missing the peer-to-peer direct interactions.
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tantek I'm also concerned about indie web sites in general (still) being behind silos in terms of (especially mobile) design ux
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[snarfed] although the dopamine rush is arguably from notifications primarily, more than from displaying
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[snarfed] meh
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GWG So, I just spent Sunday building a dopamine delivery system? Yay me.
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[snarfed] :P
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tantek snarfed true
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tantek GWG - at least you control your own dopamine delivery system that way ;)
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tantek re-evaluates his "working on" priorities
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GWG tantek: Good luck. I've been trying to figure out what order to do things in.
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tantek GWG, helps for me to at least write them all down
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GWG It usually helps me to talk them out
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GWG That's why you often see me mentioning them in here.
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@benwerd Kudos to Rubio for mentioning his #indieweb domain at the end of his closing statement. Politicians know you need your own site. #GOPdebate (twitter.com/_/status/664295520693653504)
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@benatkin RT @benwerd: Kudos to Rubio for mentioning his #indieweb domain at the end of his closing statement. Politicians know you need your own sit… (twitter.com/_/status/664295850214977536)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+605) "re-order some working on priorities, bump events a bit higher up" (view diff)
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gRegorLove_ What's the URL for aaronpk's map/geocoding tool? Something dot p3k.io. Can't seem to find it on the wiki or by search.
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: http://atlas.p3k.io/
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gRegorLove Thanks!
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KartikPrabhu :thumbs-up:
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KartikPrabhu i deduced it from aaronpk's propensity for Greek deity names
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gRegorLove Like teacup, the god of tea. :)
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KartikPrabhu of course!
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KartikPrabhu though I imagine teacup as a godess
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gRegorLove Either way, I think I'll have some now.
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KartikPrabhu no! it's too late
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gRegorLove I have decaf
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Zegnat It is never too late for tea
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KartikPrabhu boooo!
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gRegorLove Zegnat++
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Zegnat sips his morning tea
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Loqi Zegnat has 14 karma
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gRegorLove tea++
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Loqi tea has 2 karma
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KartikPrabhu decaf--
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Loqi decaf has -1 karma
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Zegnat 🍵++
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Zegnat Oh, Loqi doesn’t do emoji?
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KartikPrabhu Loqi no recognise emoji
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Loqi woot!
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Zegnat tea++
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Loqi slow down!
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KartikPrabhu haha!
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KartikPrabhu Loqi++
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Loqi Loqi has 375 karma
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Zegnat perfect answer
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: I knew something was borked. Thanks, man.
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Kongaloosh rhiaro: it could be that I was a silly sausage and didn't actually send a webmention. I'll try manually pinging later.
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petermolnar !tell GWG I'm testing a shorturl idea: base 36 (0-9a-z) or base 62 (0-9a-zA-Z) translations of the post publish date epoch format, stored as post meta with key of _wp_old_slug, so the internal redirect functions can pick it up; working quite reliably and fast so far. Do you think it's worth putting it into a plugin?
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Loqi petermolnar: snarfed left you a message on 11/10 at 9:18am: good timing re DNSSEC: https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-universal-dnssec/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-10/line/1447175936666
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG For use by others or yourself?
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Loqi GWG: petermolnar left you a message 48 seconds ago: I'm testing a shorturl idea: base 36 (0-9a-z) or base 62 (0-9a-zA-Z) translations of the post publish date epoch format, stored as post meta with key of _wp_old_slug, so the internal redirect functions can pick it up; working quite reliably and fast so far. Do you think it's worth putting it into a plugin? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-11/line/1447250810816
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petermolnar it's currently my own link shortener, but I don't have a plugin version yet ( hacked into the theme, as most of my fine tunes )
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petermolnar and for use by others
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petermolnar for myself, I'm fine with the hacky way it is now
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GWG I'd say the functionality belongs in a plug-in
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petermolnar I know that, but I really don't like maintaining a swarm of git repos
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petermolnar the question really is this would be an interest to any as a plugin
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petermolnar s/this would/would this/
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: the question really is would this be an interest to any as a plugin
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GWG I don't need it, but I think it could have interest.
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tantek petermolnar, GWG I thought willnorris had a plugin like that already called Hum
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tantek what is Hum?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hum" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106o
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tantek huh
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petermolnar I know about Hum, but as far as I can recall, it uses a slighly different approach
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petermolnar I'll double check that code
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petermolnar yep, that is using a very different approach
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petermolnar Hum is a pretty complicated little fellow utilising the WordPress built-in rewrite engine; my solution is far less sophisticated, merely a post meta generator :)
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@benwerd If you scroll down in this post about Known at BYU, you'll see some very cool new features ... http://bavatuesdays.com/reclaiming-community-at-byu-with-known/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664477031745196032)
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aaronpk good morning #indiewebcamp
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ben_thatmust top o' the mornin' to you aaronpk
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Loqi ben_thatmust: colintedford left you a message 2 days, 8 hours ago: I'd love to see your unified messaging project documented on your user page! I linked to the 2015 Cambridge session from /messaging . http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-17/line/1439797612614
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benthatmustbeme !tell colintedford that was brainstorming at the time, a number of people have contact pages for additional info currently, but i don't know if anyone is yet routing it really
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Loqi benthatmustbeme: colintedford left you a message 2 days, 8 hours ago: I'd love to see your unified messaging project documented on your user page! I linked to the 2015 Cambridge session from /messaging . http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-08-17/line/1439797612614
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benthatmustbeme ohh, speaking of which, that still has my old phone number
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@jordan_web @benwerd Looks good Ben, when can we expect these features to appear in KnownPro? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664483471490846720)
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benthatmustbeme huh, i was wondering why there was no TWITIW mail this past week
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benthatmustbeme went to spam
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tantek benthatmustbeme: did you misplace your _ ? ;)
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aaronpk oh no why did it get marked as spam?
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petermolnar benthatmustbeme, gmail?
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benthatmustbeme yes gmail
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aaronpk maybe i should just switch it to using mailchimp
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tantek.com created /Hum (+327) "stub, dfn, see also" (view diff)
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benthatmustbeme and it had the rather generic claim that it contained content usually associated with spam
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petermolnar gmail has been extemely picky recently
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petermolnar marking way too many things as spam
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benthatmustbeme so its hitting some random filter
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aaronpk reviews his spam folder
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aaronpk benthatmustbeme: well if you click "not spam" it should help
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tantek what is TWITIW
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TWITIW" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106p
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aaronpk TWITIW is /this-week
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loqi.me created /TWITIW (+22) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-11/line/1447260675384 and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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petermolnar I have dmarc, dkim and spf set up, valid html and even with all of those it managed to end up in spam if, for example, the X-Mailer header was PHPMailer
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aaronpk heh
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petermolnar basically if your mail has the slightest chance of being a spam and you're not an important customer they already know about...
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benthatmustbeme we use exact target (it has a terrible API btw) at work
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benthatmustbeme and still stuff goes to spam at times
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benthatmustbeme our receipt emails were going to spam
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benthatmustbeme at one point
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petermolnar at work we have some mail server, sending out only full valid, important mail, no spam, no newsletter, no nothing
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petermolnar long history, clean record, all you can image
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petermolnar earlier this year they still landed up in the promotions tab suddenly
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: of course i clicked "not spam"
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petermolnar took us a while and a few favors to call in to make google revert a change which put everything to either promitions or spam with a noreply@ sender
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Kongaloosh !tell rhiaro that I am a super-silly-sausage: I didn't actually send a webmention automatically, but I sent her one manually. Also, my formatting appears to be messed up so my fields are null. I'll fix that. http://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/11/tried-quill
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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Kongaloosh how does Loqi know people's gender?
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Loqi who, me?
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Kongaloosh ...
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oddvar "I sent *her*"
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Kongaloosh ah! cool.
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Kongaloosh I should've guessed.
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Loqi +1
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petermolnar it's still possible that Loqi is sometimes replaced by an actual human, just to confuse us
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rhiaro I think Loqi just has some secret mystery knowledge about some people
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rhiaro aaronpk won't tell us how
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Loqi rhiaro: Kongaloosh left you a message 2 minutes ago: that I am a super-silly-sausage: I didn't actually send a webmention automatically, but I sent her one manually. Also, my formatting appears to be messed up so my fields are null. I'll fix that. http://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/11/tried-quill http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-11/line/1447260916291
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petermolnar Loqi who is rhiaro?
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Rhiaro.co.uk
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petermolnar neat
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rhiaro I know another bot who can answer 'where is rhiaro'
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petermolnar by the way, rhiaro in theory I've sent you a webmention to http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/07/digital-memories earlier today; are the listed mentions on the site moderated/hand managed or have I failed sending it?
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rhiaro I have to run a script, my cron job is broken
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rhiaro on it!
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rhiaro My webmention woes will all go away when I switch to new wm.io
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petermolnar aaronpk for the TWITIW vs spam try removing the X-Mailer: PHPMailer 5.2.7 header
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aaronpk oh is that still in there? will do
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rhiaro petermolnar: you can check at webmention.io to see if it was recieved. If it doesn't show up on my site in 10 minutes it's been victim of another bug that I haven't identified yet
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petermolnar yep, you should have received it
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rhiaro petermolnar: it's showing up as a plain mention now, but script is still running and it might manage to pull the content in eventually
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rhiaro if not, slightly different / new bug, woo!
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rhiaro I want to set up push notifications for mentions, but also it's going to be way too exciting every time one comes in and I don't know if I can handle it
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@MischaAlbrecht Analyse Deiner Daten plus privacy ist kein Widerspruch! #usableprivacy #Netidee #ownyourdata http://www.ownyourdata.eu https://twitter.com/MischaAlbrecht/status/664491150951215105/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/664491150951215105)
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tantek.com edited /TWITIW (+16) "-r" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh hey my edit to PuSH was merged! \o/
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aaronpk https://github.com/pubsubhubbub/PubSubHubbub/pull/41
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ben_thatmustbeme first change there has been since May
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[snarfed] emaildeliverability-- ugh (delayed response)
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Loqi emaildeliverability has -3 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme i really wish at times we could see all the things that have karma in loqi
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aaronpk it's a really long list
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ben_thatmustbeme i can imagine
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ben_thatmustbeme but i have seem some really random things
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ben_thatmustbeme random++
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Loqi random has 2 karma
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aaronpk lol
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ben_thatmustbeme !karma dogs
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Loqi dogs has 6 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme i!karma cats
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ben_thatmustbeme !karma cats
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Loqi cats has 13 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme what?
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ben_thatmustbeme dogs++
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Loqi dogs has 7 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme should probably take this off channel
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@agaric Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664502049350942720)
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snarfed cats++
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snarfed aww
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ben_thatmustbeme i out karma'd loqi on the backchannel
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry
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snarfed karma throttling is across channels?!
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snarfed boo
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aaronpk it's not a perfect system
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snarfed tradeoffs exist?!
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snarfed boo
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aaronpk more like legacy code exists
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snarfed and priorities
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snarfed so many things in existence
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voxpelli infinitetime++
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tantek !tell adactio is Brighton a go for next week HWC? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek !tell Jeena is Göteborg a go for next week HWC? https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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voxpelli tantek: Malmö is a go for next week
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voxpelli but on tuesday
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tantek voxpelli++ Woot!
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voxpelli if it's HWC anniversary week, then of course we have to join ;)
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tantek voxpelli: add Malmö to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-11-17-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek :)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-11-18-homebrew-website-club (+102) "/* Where */ add ref for Edinburgh and Malmö" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-11-17-homebrew-website-club (+52) "/* Where */ add names to other locations ref to make it more findable" (view diff)
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@fndtn357 Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664514699661283328)
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tantek.com edited /next-iwc (-1) "next IWC is SF (ahem)" (view diff)
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@drupteg Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb: http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664516880904900610)
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@webdocker Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb #drupal (twitter.com/_/status/664517276759162880)
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tantek.com edited /Main_Page () "(-559) next week's HWC; IWC MIT is done!" (view diff)
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tantek !tell aaronpk could you upload the photos from IWC MIT and add the dual photo image to https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieWebCamps#IndieWebCamp_MIT_2015 ? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek What is an interstitial?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "interstitial" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106r
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tantek.com edited /Events (+24) "move last week HWC to past, highlight IWC MIT" (view diff)
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tantek what is an app install interstitial?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "app install interstitial" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106s
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rhiaro Can someone @mention me on twitter, without repying to anything please?
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rhiaro It's important.
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@trumstatus Drupal Planet: Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb: IndieWebCamp is a… http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb?utm_source=trum.ws&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=trumstatus #drupal #dpvn (twitter.com/_/status/664521057638858752)
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tantek An app install interstitial is an interstitial shown on a website that prompts the user to download and install an [[app]]; showing such interstitials tends to reduce user engagement with the website[http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2015/07/google-case-study-on-app-download-interstitials.html] and is an [[anti-pattern]].
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loqi.me created /app_install_interstitial (+356) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-11/line/1447268983799 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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@drupalplanet Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664521525228273664)
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@webdevfools Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter #drupal (twitter.com/_/status/664521533021261824)
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@paviles Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb: IndieWebCamp is a moveme... http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb?utm_term=drupal&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Drupal+Universe #drupalcr #drupal (twitter.com/_/status/664521535500128257)
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@DrupalUniverse Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb: IndieWebCamp is a moveme... http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb?utm_term=%23drupal+%23drupalcr&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Drupal+Universe #drupalcr #drupal (twitter.com/_/status/664521539279196160)
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tantek reads the multi-retweeted post
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tantek that author sounds familiar - I think he may have been at IWC Cambridge 2014
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@lightsky_design Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664522336733917188)
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tantek ok that's a very good post, it makes sense why people are retweeting it if they have read it
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tantek that needs to go on /Drupal#How_to
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@SalahMessaoud Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter #drupal (twitter.com/_/status/664522884430229504)
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@drupalnation RT @paviles: Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb: IndieWebCamp is a moveme... http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb?utm_term=drupal&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Drupal+Universe #drupa… (twitter.com/_/status/664523078697906176)
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@drupalnation RT @drupalplanet: Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664523084821590016)
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@drupalnation RT @AllDrupalNews: Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664523088789401601)
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@drupalupdates Drupal Planet: Agaric Collective: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+drupal%2Fxira+%28drupal+planet%29 (twitter.com/_/status/664523104568410112)
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tantek.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+142) "nice intro article plus how to for Drupal" (view diff)
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tantek next step, how do we get Drupal to support receiving webmentions, e.g. for comments?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (from http://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2015/11/11/1/indieweb) http://news.indiewebcamp.com/en/agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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aaronpk oops i left the utm crap in there
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 22 minutes ago: could you upload the photos from IWC MIT and add the dual photo image to https://indiewebcamp.com/IndieWebCamps#IndieWebCamp_MIT_2015 ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-11-11/line/1447268679795
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tantek perhaps indienews could auto-trim the utm crap
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tantek what is utm crap?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "utm crap" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106t
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petermolnar I need a little webmention help
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tantek I hear you petermolnar :)
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petermolnar http://pastebin.com/jrnfJjVH
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petermolnar the top is the parsed mf2 data
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petermolnar the bottom, under ===
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petermolnar is what webmention.io says about the mention
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petermolnar I'm not sure what's wrong and why is it not listed as a reply
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petermolnar I'm referring to the activity / type / null field
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aaronpk yeah that's strange
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petermolnar context: I wanted to send a mention to rhiaro, the original post is rhiaro.co.uk/2015/07/digital-memories; the reply is https://petermolnar.eu/re-digital-memories/; the webmention.io for rhiaro's page is https://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/07/digital-memories
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aaronpk i did just push out a bunch of changes to webmention.io this weekend... i hope i didn't break something
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tantek huh - it does have an in-reply-to URL
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petermolnar so bits involved: wordpress webmention plugin ( could be missing something in there ) + webmention.io
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tantek so that should work?
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aaronpk also note you can get the list of mentions in the new jf2 format now! https://webmention.io/api/mentions.jf2?target=http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/07/digital-memories
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aaronpk it's missing publish date too, so i'm guessing something went wrong trying to handle the parsed microformats of the page
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rhiaro ohhhh yeah the jf2 looks good
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aaronpk the good news is webmention.io has a test suite now so whatever this problem is i can fix it an add a test for it :)
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rhiaro also weird, wonder what's up with parsing petermolnar's reply
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aaronpk this also gives me an idea for a debugging thingy
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tantek aaronpk: have you added webmention.io to /jf2#Implementations ?
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aaronpk good idea :)
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petermolnar so there is no obvious issue on my part of the mention?
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aaronpk petermolnar: no i think it's a problem with webmention.io
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aaronpk the mf2 parser sees your in-reply-to URL and it's the same as the target of the webmention, so that shoudl be it from your side
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voxpelli tantek: Drupal has a module that should be able to receive and send WebMentions: https://www.drupal.org/project/vinculum
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tantek voxpelli: very cool - want to comment on his post and mention that?
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@voxpelli @agaric Nice! Tried adding WebMentions through https://www.drupal.org/project/vinculum ? That + upcoming Pubsubhubbub version of Multiping would be neat (twitter.com/_/status/664530157194055680)
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voxpelli a tweet will have to do :) I so should finish up so I can send such IndieWeb replies from my own site
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aaronpk :)
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petermolnar I've been comparing my site parsed mf2 with a successful reply of KevinMarks from known; so far the only potentially relevant difference is that I didn't have a u-photo for the author; I've added one now
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petermolnar but this shouldn't be a blocer
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petermolnar s/blocer/blocker/
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: but this shouldn't be a blocker
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aaronpk petermolnar: you could try sending a webmention elsewhere to see if someone else's site can parse it
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aaronpk that would at least confirm it's an issue with webmention.io
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petermolnar I did that already; known can parse it
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aaronpk then definitely file an issue on webmention.io and I will look at it
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petermolnar ok
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kylewm heh, finally figured out why Woodwind was not working ... redis was over maxmemory with nothing to evict
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aaronpk lol!
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aaronpk i didn't know you were using redis
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kylewm yep, for a couple different things but mostly for job queues
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kylewm with http://python-rq.org/
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bear that's a nice library, I like it because it can allow a job to depend on another
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kevinmarks_ petermolnar: have you looked at newbase60?
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petermolnar yes, I did; I'd like to avoid a / even if it reduces the string length
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aaronpk slash isn't part of newbase60
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petermolnar I then misunderstood something
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petermolnar I'll revisit it
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aaronpk you might be thinking of tantek's URL shortener Falcon
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kevinmarks_ what are you writing in?
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aaronpk newbase60 is just the part that encodes numbers
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you writing in" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/106u
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aaronpk http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/19402946/NewBase60
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aaronpk it uses these characters: 0123456789ABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZ_abcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz
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petermolnar I remember now
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petermolnar yes, I've checked this, I also checked 'regular' base62, which is 0-9a-zA-Z
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petermolnar I ended up with base 36, 0-9a-z because the usual slugs, especially in WordPress, are lowercase-only
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petermolnar so for posts without title, I can use this as slug
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kevinmarks_ it also corrects O to 0 and l and I to 1
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kevinmarks_ ah, that makes sense yes - if you're using them in a non case sensitive filesystem
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aaronpk oh! let's encrypt launches *next week*??
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snarfed aw man, i should have waited too
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cweiske i installed the certs yesterday
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cweiske cweiske.de and subdomains are letsencrypted
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aaronpk oh wait what it's already live?
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cweiske closed beta
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aaronpk ah
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cweiske found some issues with the installer, but that's what betas are for
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@stevepurkiss RT @agaric: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664564260891181056)
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@vbrighton RT @agaric: Marking up Drupal's blog posts for the IndieWeb http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/664564298803363840)
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@fabianekc Wir sind eines der diesjährigen geförderten Netidee Projekte! https://crowdstatus.net/home/ und https://OwnYourData.eu https://twitter.com/fabianekc/status/664570535142117377/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/664570535142117377)
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GWG Evening a
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GWG Re what happened in #indiechat with an improperly dated permalink, has anyone posted an old photo backdated to when it was taken? Or any type of post?
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG I imported listens from 2011
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GWG But would you craft photo posts from your childhood? For example
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ben_thatmustbeme Good question. I would probably post them now. But may want to also mark up date they were taken
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ben_thatmustbeme For sorting by date
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[kevinmarks] Facebook shows old dates like that