#indiewebcamp 2015-12-11

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@SydneyLiftOff RT @EmilyFHummel: I'm proud of this project & love these characters! Help us share them with you. #SupportIndieFilm #indieweb https://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/675109207197224961)
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@EmilyFHummel I'm proud of this project & love these characters! Help us share them with you. #SupportIndieFilm #indieweb https://twitter.com/CedarBoxPro/status/675002244199260160 (twitter.com/_/status/675106888195964928)
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@aaronpk OH: "Can we switch Google providers?" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/675142803102572545)
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GWG Experimenting with new display templates, this time type by type instead of one function for all
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2015/09/02/hydrox/
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GWG How does this look so far?
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GWG I think I need an indent
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@sikkdays RT @aaronpk: OH: "Can we switch Google providers?" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/675144728971747328)
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@davidmead Hey @tinokremer. Your reply was in the spam guard ;-) My longer reply at http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2015/12/10/2871/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/675155022271938563)
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GWG davidmead: If you need anything WordPress related, you can also ask in here.
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davidmead appreciate that GWG :-)
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GWG davidmead: Anything missing for you otherwise?
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GWG I'm working on Post Kinds improvements right now. After that, I might do a quick update to Syndication Links to switch from icon fonts to SVG, add pages support and a few other options.
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GWG Then circle back to Micropub, where I'm currently avoiding Unit Tests again for snarfed.
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davidmead GWG: I was saying on GitHub that I’m going to map out how I use it and see where I expect the plugins to fill in.
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davidmead GWG: Is there anyway plugins can show up in the WP app at all?
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GWG Which app? The new Calypso thing?
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davidmead The Android app
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GWG I don't think it is extensible.
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davidmead Ah. I only use it for approving comments as a lot of the indieweb and broadcast features dont work from it
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GWG Well, I'd like better Android support, but I'm not ready to tackle that.
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GWG Hoping for a Micropub plugin to solve the problem.
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davidmead LOL
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GWG I figure it is only a matter of time before someone writes a Micropub app for Android
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GWG MobilePub excepted.
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GWG I still can't get it to work
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davidmead Yeah. Fingers crossed
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GWG Personally, if I could spend all day writing Indieweb stuff, I might.
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GWG Regrettably, I haven't recently come into a lot of money.
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davidmead LOL. I’m in the same boat :-)
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tantek good evening #indiewebcamp!
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GWG Good evening, tantek
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tantek GWG, could you capture what you'd like to do with posting old (pre-web, 80s?) things on https://indiewebcamp.com/throwback - perhaps in a "Brainstorming" section?
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GWG I'd planned on it.
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GWG Just finishing my packing
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david.shanske.com edited /throwback (+639) (view diff)
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petermolnar idea for the throwback stuff: post it with original date, add a repost for today ( I wrote this down before reading the latest edit on the throwback entry )
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Loqi petermolnar: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 9 minutes ago: could you document the issue(s) regarding http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/10/technology/yahoo-alibaba-spinoff.html on /Yahoo#Issues ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-10/line/1449783732811
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[kevinmarks] This is interesting <https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/675220245318082560
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@girlziplocked “Conversations and narratives are the new documents” by @EskoKilpi https://medium.com/the-wtf-economy/conversations-and-narratives-are-the-new-documents-256ebcd3d37f#.kjbak1bl3 (twitter.com/_/status/675220245318082560)
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petermolnar.eu edited /Yahoo (+396) (view diff)
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petermolnar !tell tantek yahoo issues added
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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petermolnar.eu edited /Yahoo (+162) (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] Tino Kremer commented '@publictorsten @klischka actually much better then pingbacks, have a look here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (https://tinokremer.nl/2015/publictorsten-klischka-actually-much-better-then-pingbacks-have-a-look)
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Tino I know Loqi :)
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Loqi is done
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Tino too :)
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@tinokremer @publictorsten @klischka actually much better then pingbacks, have a look here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/675233101455470593)
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Loqi [bridgy] Public replied '@tinokremer @klischka I can't see an fundamental advantage there. Do you have an example?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (https://twitter.com/publictorsten/status/675236276547792896)
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Loqi [bridgy] Tino Kremer replied '@publictorsten @klischka sure, have a look at this video where @ambercase explains it in detail: youtu.be/Au4bHb5twF4?t=…' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (https://twitter.com/tinokremer/status/675238318339186688)
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petermolnar !tell GWG I've found a potential bug in the WordPress svn commit hooks; sent mail to plugins@, tried to reach out on #wordpress, no response; any ideas?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@cindifromindy RT @EmilyFHummel: I'm proud of this project & love these characters! Help us share them with you. #SupportIndieFilm #indieweb https://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/675295926894772225)
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GWG petermolnar: Try the Slack channel for core development.
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Loqi GWG: petermolnar left you a message 3 hours, 19 minutes ago: I've found a potential bug in the WordPress svn commit hooks; sent mail to plugins@, tried to reach out on #wordpress, no response; any ideas? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449826888798
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[jonnybarnes] Should /silo list Netflix? I don’t feel this is _indie_. The value of sites like Facebook/Twitter is their social data. But it isn’t theirs, its *our* social data.
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[jonnybarnes] The value of netflix is the copyrighted content they have licensed for us to view
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[jonnybarnes] that’s not ours in any meaningful way
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[jonnybarnes] I dunno, I just don’t see netflix as a silo
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GWG I need some design feedback.
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2015/09/02/hydrox/
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GWG I'm still tweaking a new design. In a bookmark, do people want a full citation?
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petermolnar you'll need to be a bit more details, I may not understand that question well enough
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petermolnar by the way, I made a new wp addon: wp-cron based url snapshotter; looking for urls in post content, and creating a wget snapshot in the db; I'm a bit tired of linkrot, so this is my personal archive https://github.com/petermolnar/wp-url2snapshot
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petermolnar version 0.1, so don't expect miracles
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GWG Petermolnar, I have data fields for author, author image, published date, etc. Trying to figure out what is relevant.
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GWG Petermolnar, will check it out.
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tantek petermolnar: pretty sure there's an existing WP plugin that WAFs all outgoing links
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Loqi tantek: petermolnar left you a message 7 hours, 33 minutes ago: yahoo issues added http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449822003503
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petermolnar there are a few, but most of them are too heavy and neither of them tries falling back to archive.org in case of 404
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tantek petermolnar++ thanks!
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Loqi petermolnar has 9 karma
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tantek I'm looking for the one I saw and liked
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tantek might be this one http://owark.org/
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tantek http://owark.org/2012/04/14/whats-next-for-owark/
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tantek this looks pretty good
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petermolnar looks good indeed
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petermolnar thanks
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tantek adding specifics to wiki now
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tantek petermolnar: also for your plugin, check this out and see if you can keep entire WARCs as a result of using wget: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Wget_with_WARC_output
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GWG Tantek, do you have any thoughts on what data belongs in a bookmark display? I know I may store more than I am thinking of displaying. The previous version of my code displayed anything that I had everywhere.
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tantek GWG, I would start with documenting and analyzing the presentation of bookmark posts on existing bookmark silos
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tantek.com edited /archival_copy (+548) "Tools with IndieArchive, and Owark, links, short descriptions" (view diff)
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tantek petermolnar: I've added Owark to https://indiewebcamp.com/archival_copy#Tools - you should add your plugin there too!
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GWG I am starting on that. I am at the broader picture question of... If you have data, does that mean you should display it?
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tantek no
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petermolnar I will, once it's in an acceptable state
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tantek it's the other way around, if you want to display data, you should store it :)
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tantek petermolnar: link to it anyway and just add a strong caveat about its current state!
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tantek e.g. "highly experimental, not for production use!" etc. :)
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GWG Tantek, I don't differentiate between post types when storing parsed data from a URL. So if my code can find it, I store it.
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tantek that's a decent approach to caching
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aaronpk [jonnybarnes] I think the indieweb relevance of netflix is the viewing history and ratings. I exported my whole viewing history before I closed my account and am planning on importing it to my new site kind of like scrobbles
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tantek what is Netflix?
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Loqi Netflix is a subscription service for on-demand streaming video https://indiewebcamp.com/Netflix
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tantek what is viewing history?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "viewing history" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108q
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[jonnybarnes] I see what you mean, as I said before though I see it as a difference in value. Other silos derive their value from the data we put into them, the tweets we write etc., Netflix’s value is the media content it licences from the film/tv studios. Even if they didn’t allow ratings etc. I’d still use netflix
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tantek There are a lot of (ancient?) Distributed Social Network Projects documented here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jiXU8vDMbpUdLR9IK-IY5tnfq22i9yhbFrOJfPYLZEk/edit?hl=en#gid=0
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tantek Would appreciate some help getting them stubbed on the IndieWebCamp wiki!
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tantek I'll start with some what is ...
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tantek what is Friendica?
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Loqi Friendica is an open source, federated social platform that aims to federate with many other networks (silo and indie alike) https://indiewebcamp.com/Friendica
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tantek what is Jappix?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Jappix" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108r
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petermolnar.eu edited /archival_copy (+292) "/* Tools */" (view diff)
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tantek what is Crabgrass
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Crabgrass" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108s
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tantek I know we have /Diaspora and /StatusNet already
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tantek what is GNU Social?
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Loqi GNU social is a free software project that "will be a decentralized social network that you can install on your own server" https://indiewebcamp.com/GNU_social
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tantek what is Kune?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Kune" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108t
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tantek what is Movim?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Movim" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108u
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tantek what is Noosfero?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Noosfero" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108v
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tantek what is ownCloud?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/owncloud
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tantek what is BuddyCloud?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "BuddyCloud" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108w
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petermolnar aaah, you're reminding me the weeks I've spent trying to make movim, buddycloud & some others to get running hosted
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petermolnar those are probably the worst projects I've touched so far
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tantek petermolnar: feel free to start as minimal stubs as you want, even if just a "I tried this is and it was painful / didn't work" etc.
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tantek what is OpenLink Data Spaces?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "OpenLink Data Spaces" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108x
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tantek what is ODS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ODS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108y
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tantek what is psyced?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "psyced" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108z
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tantek what is Lorea?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Lorea" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1090
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tantek what is Appleseed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Appleseed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1091
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tantek what is Duuit!
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Duuit!" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1092
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tantek what is Socialriver?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Socialriver" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1093
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tantek what is Friend2Friend?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Friend2Friend" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1094
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tantek what is OpenMicroBlog?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "OpenMicroBlog" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1095
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tantek what is 6d?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "6d" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1096
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tantek what is Kopal?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Kopal" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1097
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tantek what is PyofWave?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PyofWave" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1098
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tantek what is Ampify?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Ampify" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1099
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tantek what is ObjectCloud?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ObjectCloud" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109A
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tantek what is Project Danube?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Project Danube" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109B
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tantek what is Knowee?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Knowee" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109C
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tantek what is rstatus?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rstatus" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109D
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tantek what is rstat.us?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rstat.us" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109E
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tantek what is Project Nori?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Project Nori" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109F
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tantek what is Thimbl?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Thimbl" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109G
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tantek what is Weestit?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Weestit" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109H
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tantek what is CouchAppSpora?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "CouchAppSpora" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109J
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tantek what is Dyskinesia?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Dyskinesia" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109K
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tantek what is fordrop?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fordrop" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109L
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tantek what is GNU Social P2P?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "GNU Social P2P" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109M
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tantek what is HelloWorld?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "HelloWorld" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109N
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tantek what is Higgins?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Higgins" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109P
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tantek what is Mr. Privacy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Mr. Privacy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109Q
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tantek what is NoseRub?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "NoseRub" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109R
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tantek what is PeerSoN?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PeerSoN" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109S
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tantek what is Pontarius?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Pontarius" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109T
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tantek what is psycion?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "psycion" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109U
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tantek what is psyconaut?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "psyconaut" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109V
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tantek what is psycTiVE?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "psycTiVE" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109W
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tantek what is PsycZilla?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PsycZilla" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109X
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tantek what is Saikound?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Saikound" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109Y
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tantek what is SMOB?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SMOB" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109Z
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tantek what is Social VPN?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Social VPN" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109_
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tantek what is Social-Igniter?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Social-Igniter" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109a
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kylewm lol, some of these names are really bad
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tantek what is Socknet Provider-FoolishMortal.org?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Socknet Provider-FoolishMortal.org" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109b
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tantek kylewm: you spoke too soon ;)
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tantek what is UCentric?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "UCentric" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109c
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tantek what is xodx?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "xodx" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109d
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tantek and that's all from that Google Doc
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tantek GoogleDocs, ironically, are not indexed by Google, (nor internet archive) and are thus dead to history
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tantek These IRC logs may end up being the only record that that list of projects ever existed.
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kylewm PyOfWave was an attempt to combine email, IM, forums, wikis, etc. into one system, that hoped to "undo whatever it was that made Google Wave fail".
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loqi.me created /PyOfWave (+174) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449851796503 and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek kylewm: really hoping you're not just taking the dfns from that Googledoc ;)
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kylewm no! from github
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tantek (I wouldn't believe them on face value, and would check at least 1-2 levels of URL citations / references :) )
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tantek ok phew
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kylewm rstat.us has an expired https certificate
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tantek kylewm: you could ping wilkie - I think he built it
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tantek GWG, re: bookmark presentation, start with taking/uploading screenshots of what https://indiewebcamp.com/bookmark#Silos show for bookmark posts as well as lists of bookmark posts
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loqi.me created /baikal-server (+81) "prompted by petermolnar and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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GWG I'm reading the wiki on reply contexts. The comments are more universal
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[shaners] Steve Klabnik built rstatus, but later passed it on to other folks to maintain it.
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tantek GWG, I think bookmarks are different enough to merit their own presentation analysis
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kylewm tantek: not excited to contact him, he seems not a fan of IWC
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[shaners] You could ping him on Twitter and he'd likely beep the right person about it. @steveklabnik
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loqi.me created /CardDAV (+67) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: wilkie has been a fairly positive contributor to W3C Social Web WG in the past few months, so I'm optimistic
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tantek regardless, I understand
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tantek and shaners is right, go ahead an ping Steve
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[shaners] Kylewm: Klabnik is very iwc friendly
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tantek heck if I see he him here in #Mozlando in person I'll nudge him (AKA give him a hard time)
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tantek ;)
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loqi.me created /Baïkal (+65) "prompted by petermolnar and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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petermolnar.eu edited /Baïkal (-38) "Redirected page to [[baikal-server]]" (view diff)
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GWG Tantek, I agree. But the levels identified are useful in framing my thoughts. I am waiting for a delayed flight to NYC. I may not have room on the plane to document, but will try.
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GWG If not, then after I that I want to document Pinboard as a pinnacle of text first design.
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tantek GWG, open up a bunch of tabs on Pinboard etc.
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tantek so that you can at least take screenshots, crop etc.
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kylewm rstatus is /rstat.us
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kylewm what is rstatus?
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tantek also 10 minute window for Loqi listening for "is" answers
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rstatus" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109h
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kylewm what is rstat.us?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rstat.us" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109i
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kylewm rstatus is /rstat.us
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loqi.me created /rstatus (+21) "prompted by kylewm https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449852925917 and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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kylewm rstat.us is a distributed microblogging application built in Ruby that uses OStatus and PubSubHubbub.
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loqi.me created /rstat.us (+128) "prompted by kylewm https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449852929206 and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk you can still click the links in the logs after 10 minutes is up
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kylewm pinged steveklabnik
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kylewm https://twitter.com/steveklabnik/status/675359897597272064
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@steveklabnik @kylewmahan yeah I handed it off long ago, you'll have to talk to the current maintainer (twitter.com/_/status/675359897597272064)
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kylewm oh man, and email to rstatus@rstat.us returned to sender
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kylewm gives up
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petermolnar aaronpk you should register loqi.bot http://nic.bot/
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk omg
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aaronpk amazon got it?
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petermolnar appears so
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aaronpk omfg gmail blocked me from sending email
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petermolnar https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10711259 "dot.bot would be good."
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petermolnar aaronpk blocking as full block or a temporarily greylist looking one?
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aaronpk from the gmail interface: "You have reached a limit for sending mail."
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petermolnar oh, sending from gmail, not to gmail
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aaronpk yeah
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petermolnar I can't help with that unfortunately
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aaronpk i know how it happened too, and it's silly
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petermolnar were you sending emails?
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aaronpk i don't like this future of cloud-enabled devices
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petermolnar (sorry, Friday evening)
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petermolnar https://poste.io/
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petermolnar although it's Qmail which gives me the chilles in the wrong mean
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aaronpk I have a samsung wifi camera that I just mounted on my porch to watch the construction happening behind me http://i.imgur.com/Ndwbtqt.jpg
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aaronpk i want to make a timelapse of the whole thing
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aaronpk sadly the camera doesn't seem to have an HTTP interface to request a jpg from, so I set up motion alerts on the camera instead
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aaronpk the only way to get motion alerts is to sign in with a gmail account on the camera and have it send email from that gmail account
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aaronpk so i have the camera sending email from my gmail account to mailgun which forwards it to my home server as an HTTP post
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petermolnar what's a bit mad
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aaronpk last night i hit the mailgun free quota so it started rejecting all the emails
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aaronpk which then gmail thinks i'm sending a large number of emails that are bouncing, so now i can't send email in gmail at all
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petermolnar https://github.com/ccrisan/motionpie
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aaronpk yeah i don't want to deal with that much hardware
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aaronpk all I want is a wifi camera that has a URL that will return a JPG is that too much to ask?
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petermolnar https://github.com/ccrisan/motioneyeos/wiki
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petermolnar raspberry pi + motion
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aaronpk still too much work. also the camera for the raspberry pi isn't very good
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aaronpk also waterproofing a raspberry pi and camera setup sounds complicated
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petermolnar use a microsoft usb one in that case
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petermolnar I know it's a lot of work, I've been there, but just like you I wasn't able to find a proper, tweakable security camera
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aaronpk I have these old panasonic cameras that were perfect for this. sadly they are not wifi and are also pretty bad quality.
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petermolnar it could be cheap, high quality and tweakable; now choose 2 of these
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aaronpk something like this would be great if it told me there was an http interface http://www.amazon.com/DBPOWER-Waterproof-Outdoor-Security-Detection/dp/B014K8D1XU
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petermolnar I bought a similar one a while ago, it was pretty much restricted to the app and the windows-only web interface; this looks better though, but since then, I prefer the raspberry for anything similar
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snarfed GWG: ooh, if you're interested in reply contexts, you should try out https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-reply-context and contribute!
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snarfed (delayed reaction :P)
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aaronpk aha I think a gopro might be the answer
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aaronpk apparently you can log in to it via wifi and run a bunch of commands
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GWG Snarfed, I have it built into Post Kinds, that is one of the points of the plugin.
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snarfed ah true, right
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GWG Snarfed, trying to redesign and improve it.
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GWG I am putting a lot of thought into it
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GWG Snarfed, I saw your post on client side reply contexts. Made me think
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snarfed GWG: cool! and?
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GWG I have code that I wrote to return JSON mf2 from a URL
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GWG I just implemented it in the last update. I could do what you suggested either partially or fully.
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[snarfed] sure! sounds like <http://pin13.net/mf2/ or <https://kylewm.com/services/mf2
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[snarfed] for the design i described though, i actually expect the JavaScript would fetch and parse the page directly, since we have a js mf2 parser
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GWG Snarfed, but that is full mf2, not a simple flattened version for the context.
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GWG I said it made me think. I'm not thinking exactly as you proposed
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GWG For me, it made me think about improving what I have
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[snarfed] cool!
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[snarfed] the downside of my design is it's js;dr. the upside is it's progressive enhancement, and works with any CMS by just including the script, no server side changes needed
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[snarfed] (for the logs: <https://snarfed.org/client-side-reply-contexts-with-javascript )
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GWG Snarfed, I just wanted to give you props.
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[snarfed] thanks!
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GWG Hopefully it will make things better.
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tantek kylewm, aaronpk hmm - seems like both mf2py and pin13 are not parsing <link> elements with u-* properties, e.g. see blank strings for photo and url properties here: https://kylewm.com/services/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2Fcontact http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://tantek.com/contact
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aaronpk I don't know anything about the pin13 mf2 parser other than I install the latest package available :)
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tantek lol
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tantek aaronpk: perhaps add some text like that to http://pin13.net/mf2/ and link to the github repo/issues?
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tantek (trying to help discoverability to encourage a feedback loop)
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aaronpk huh I used to add a link to the github repo in the parsed result
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aaronpk not sure why that disappeared
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tantek both parsed result and home page would be great!
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KevinMarks GWG: that sounds like a jf2 usecase
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KevinMarks "a simple flattened version for the context."
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GWG KevinMarks, probably. But I also parse meta tags and open graph and output into mf2 properties as a fallback for non mf2 sites
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GWG I also have more alternative factors that I want to try if Microformats don't cut it.
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tantek do all those alternative factors have use-cases based in specific presentational requirements / desires?
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GWG I want to get information any way I can
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KevinMarks that's fair enough, but as an output format a jf2 entry may still make sense
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GWG If I can't get author one way ...
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KevinMarks http://www.unmung.com/mf2tojs2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Fmf2%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Ftantek.com%252Fcontact%26html%3D%26pretty%3Don&pretty=on
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KevinMarks that does show failing to get the href from link for photo
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tantek GWG, I am interested in author information from pages
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tantek GWG, have you implemented the /authorship algorithm?
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tantek When you find real world examples that don't work with that algorithm, please add them as issues to /authorship#Issues !
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tantek and then I'll look at them and either improve the algorithm, or make a note about the scope of /authorship
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GWG Let me have a look
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GWG Tantek, what is the scenario for no microformats
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GWG KevinMarks, maybe I will change my return to support the jf2 format
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KevinMarks webmention.io supports it which is very similar
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GWG Mine is built into my Post Kinds plugin.
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GWG With a quick change, it could be used by anyone
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GWG Not that I see demand
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KevinMarks tantek, can you file an issue on mf2py for the link parsing fail
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tantek what is mf2py?
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Loqi mf2py is a microformats2 parsing library for Python, developed by Tom Morris https://indiewebcamp.com/mf2py
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tantek is this the canonical repo where I should file issues? https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py
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KevinMarks yes
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KevinMarks though adding a test to https://github.com/microformats/tests could be helpful too
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tantek KevinMarks: issue already there https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/issues/33
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tantek added my real world example
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tommorris Over Xmas planning to have a mf2py bug smash. ;)
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tantek woohoo!
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tantek tommorris: I assume you've been tracking the changes to /microformats2-parsing ?
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tantek what is microformats2-parsing?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "microformats2-parsing" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109j
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tantek microformats2-parsing is http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing
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loqi.me created /microformats2-parsing (+102) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449861693755 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks would adding in the mf2 to jf2 be useful, tommorris ?
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tommorris Sure.
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tommorris Pull request welcome. 😀
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KevinMarks I'll have a look
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tommorris tantek: not recently - been busy on work and other things.
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tantek tommorris: cool. be sure to check diffs since you last looked at it!
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GWG Looking for more exotic metadata to supplement what I have. Someone explain to me why the New York Times has its own API?
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KevinMarks NIH
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GWG NIH?
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KevinMarks what is NIH?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "NIH" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109k
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KevinMarks NIH is Not Invented Here, a classic big company response to standards
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loqi.me created /NIH (+96) "prompted by KevinMarks https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449862040192 and dfn added by KevinMarks" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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kylewm tantek: interesting that it still parses the FaceTime url poorly https://kylewm.com/services/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2Fcontact
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tantek yes that's very odd!
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kylewm did you mean to put the u-url on the <a> instead of the <li> maybe?
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kylewm rawr, stopped getting updates from my PuSH hub again
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tantek kylewm: oops. fixed!
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GWG Tantek, I am getting closer to documentation
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tantek GWG thank you!
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@CaptainKurtis RT @benwerd: Why is Known the best way to solve your community pain? #edtech #indieweb http://werd.io/2015/why-is-known-the-best-way-to-solve-your-community (twitter.com/_/status/675426451542405120)
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tantek snarfed, kylewm another Bridgy Publish photos to FB datapoint: when I POSSEd two photos, then a note (via Twitter), then another photo, FB clustered all three photos together into an "added to album" post on my timeline, despite the intervening note post.
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tantek note permalink: https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik/posts/10102013257392843?pnref=story
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tantek and oddly enough it shows up on top (before) on my timeline relative to the photo I posted *afterwards*
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tantek so I have no idea what they're doing with clustering photo posts
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snarfed so fun, huh!
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snarfed fortunately i think we can make bridgy work (and respect per post privacy settings) without understanding their consolidation logic at all
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snarfed fingers crossed
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tantek snarfed: I think I now prefer my photos to show up on my FB timeline unclustered if possible
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snarfed ah, right. i was thinking about backfeed, but for publish, agreed...it'd be nice to be able to control that, but sadly i don't think it's possible right now
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snarfed https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/v2.2/user/photos#Creating
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snarfed i'd happily implement it if we find a way though!
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tantek I can't figure out a good way to express it to file an issue
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tantek would be good to at least track the desire/possibility
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snarfed sure!
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snarfed "prevent facebook from consolidating photo posts" would be a fine issue title
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snarfed and just mention #562 in the body, it has gory details
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tantek trying to word it as a positive
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snarfed :P i get "positive instead of negative" at the high level, but negative is probably ok for lower level small things like this when it's maybe the clearest description
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snarfed if you're interested in digging into this, maybe try some of the ideas in that SO post, e.g. uploading photos to the "Timeline Photos" album
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snarfed you can set their privacy to "Just Me" so other people don't see them
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tantek ensure each photo post shows up as its own post on timeline instead of being culstered into an album post
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snarfed 👍
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snarfed just realized i didn't actually post the SO link here: http://stackoverflow.com/a/15362842/186123
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tantek snarfed: ok tried to capture that at least: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/571
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david.shanske.com uploaded /File:Pinboard.png "Bookmark on Pinboard"
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snarfed https://twitter.com/nelson/status/675431755029975040
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@nelson Using a third party service to view tweets as an RSS feed. Weeping. (twitter.com/_/status/675431755029975040)
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KevinMarks I think it does depend which album you put them in, and the 'Bridgy Photos' album or the 'Mobile Uploads' one is used that way
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KevinMarks not sure if "instagram" is special
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KevinMarks hm, though if you add them directly, not into an album it also does a 'n new photos' cluster
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snarfed KevinMarks: all photos go into some album or other. default is maybe timeline photos?
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snarfed (default album is context dependent, e.g. mobile apps use Mobile Uploads)
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KevinMarks does instagram defeat clustering?
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snarfed got me
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KevinMarks I havent' seen instagram pix being clusterd on fb, but that may be more because people tend to post one at a time
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