#indiewebcamp 2015-12-11

2015-12-11 UTC
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@SydneyLiftOff
RT @EmilyFHummel: I'm proud of this project & love these characters! Help us share them with you. #SupportIndieFilm #indieweb https://t.co…
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@EmilyFHummel
I'm proud of this project & love these characters! Help us share them with you. #SupportIndieFilm #indieweb https://twitter.com/CedarBoxPro/status/675002244199260160
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@aaronpk
OH: "Can we switch Google providers?" #indieweb
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GWG
Experimenting with new display templates, this time type by type instead of one function for all
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GWG
How does this look so far?
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GWG
I think I need an indent
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@sikkdays
RT @aaronpk: OH: "Can we switch Google providers?" #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/675144728971747328)
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@davidmead
Hey @tinokremer. Your reply was in the spam guard ;-) My longer reply at http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2015/12/10/2871/ #indieweb
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GWG
davidmead: If you need anything WordPress related, you can also ask in here.
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davidmead
appreciate that GWG :-)
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GWG
davidmead: Anything missing for you otherwise?
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GWG
I'm working on Post Kinds improvements right now. After that, I might do a quick update to Syndication Links to switch from icon fonts to SVG, add pages support and a few other options.
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GWG
Then circle back to Micropub, where I'm currently avoiding Unit Tests again for snarfed.
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davidmead
GWG: I was saying on GitHub that I’m going to map out how I use it and see where I expect the plugins to fill in.
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davidmead
GWG: Is there anyway plugins can show up in the WP app at all?
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GWG
Which app? The new Calypso thing?
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davidmead
The Android app
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GWG
I don't think it is extensible.
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davidmead
Ah. I only use it for approving comments as a lot of the indieweb and broadcast features dont work from it
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GWG
Well, I'd like better Android support, but I'm not ready to tackle that.
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GWG
Hoping for a Micropub plugin to solve the problem.
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GWG
I figure it is only a matter of time before someone writes a Micropub app for Android
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GWG
MobilePub excepted.
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GWG
I still can't get it to work
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davidmead
Yeah. Fingers crossed
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GWG
Personally, if I could spend all day writing Indieweb stuff, I might.
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GWG
Regrettably, I haven't recently come into a lot of money.
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davidmead
LOL. I’m in the same boat :-)
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tantek
good evening #indiewebcamp!
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GWG
Good evening, tantek
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tantek
GWG, could you capture what you'd like to do with posting old (pre-web, 80s?) things on https://indiewebcamp.com/throwback - perhaps in a "Brainstorming" section?
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GWG
I'd planned on it.
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GWG
Just finishing my packing
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petermolnar
idea for the throwback stuff: post it with original date, add a repost for today ( I wrote this down before reading the latest edit on the throwback entry )
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Loqi
petermolnar: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 9 minutes ago: could you document the issue(s) regarding http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/10/technology/yahoo-alibaba-spinoff.html on /Yahoo#Issues ? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-10/line/1449783732811
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petermolnar
!tell tantek yahoo issues added
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Tino
I know Loqi :)
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Loqi
is done
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Tino
too :)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Public replied '@tinokremer @klischka I can't see an fundamental advantage there. Do you have an example?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (https://twitter.com/publictorsten/status/675236276547792896)
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Loqi
[bridgy] Tino Kremer replied '@publictorsten @klischka sure, have a look at this video where @ambercase explains it in detail: youtu.be/Au4bHb5twF4?t=…' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (https://twitter.com/tinokremer/status/675238318339186688)
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petermolnar
!tell GWG I've found a potential bug in the WordPress svn commit hooks; sent mail to plugins@, tried to reach out on #wordpress, no response; any ideas?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@cindifromindy
RT @EmilyFHummel: I'm proud of this project & love these characters! Help us share them with you. #SupportIndieFilm #indieweb https://t.co…
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GWG
petermolnar: Try the Slack channel for core development.
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Loqi
GWG: petermolnar left you a message 3 hours, 19 minutes ago: I've found a potential bug in the WordPress svn commit hooks; sent mail to plugins@, tried to reach out on #wordpress, no response; any ideas? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449826888798
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[jonnybarnes]
Should /silo list Netflix? I don’t feel this is _indie_. The value of sites like Facebook/Twitter is their social data. But it isn’t theirs, its *our* social data.
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[jonnybarnes]
The value of netflix is the copyrighted content they have licensed for us to view
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[jonnybarnes]
that’s not ours in any meaningful way
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[jonnybarnes]
I dunno, I just don’t see netflix as a silo
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GWG
I need some design feedback.
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GWG
I'm still tweaking a new design. In a bookmark, do people want a full citation?
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petermolnar
you'll need to be a bit more details, I may not understand that question well enough
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petermolnar
by the way, I made a new wp addon: wp-cron based url snapshotter; looking for urls in post content, and creating a wget snapshot in the db; I'm a bit tired of linkrot, so this is my personal archive https://github.com/petermolnar/wp-url2snapshot
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petermolnar
version 0.1, so don't expect miracles
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GWG
Petermolnar, I have data fields for author, author image, published date, etc. Trying to figure out what is relevant.
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GWG
Petermolnar, will check it out.
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tantek
petermolnar: pretty sure there's an existing WP plugin that WAFs all outgoing links
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Loqi
tantek: petermolnar left you a message 7 hours, 33 minutes ago: yahoo issues added http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449822003503
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petermolnar
there are a few, but most of them are too heavy and neither of them tries falling back to archive.org in case of 404
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tantek
petermolnar++ thanks!
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Loqi
petermolnar has 9 karma
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tantek
I'm looking for the one I saw and liked
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tantek
might be this one http://owark.org/
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tantek
this looks pretty good
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petermolnar
looks good indeed
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tantek
adding specifics to wiki now
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tantek
petermolnar: also for your plugin, check this out and see if you can keep entire WARCs as a result of using wget: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Wget_with_WARC_output
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GWG
Tantek, do you have any thoughts on what data belongs in a bookmark display? I know I may store more than I am thinking of displaying. The previous version of my code displayed anything that I had everywhere.
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tantek
GWG, I would start with documenting and analyzing the presentation of bookmark posts on existing bookmark silos
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tantek.com
edited /archival_copy (+548) "Tools with IndieArchive, and Owark, links, short descriptions"
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tantek
petermolnar: I've added Owark to https://indiewebcamp.com/archival_copy#Tools - you should add your plugin there too!
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GWG
I am starting on that. I am at the broader picture question of... If you have data, does that mean you should display it?
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petermolnar
I will, once it's in an acceptable state
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tantek
it's the other way around, if you want to display data, you should store it :)
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tantek
petermolnar: link to it anyway and just add a strong caveat about its current state!
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tantek
e.g. "highly experimental, not for production use!" etc. :)
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GWG
Tantek, I don't differentiate between post types when storing parsed data from a URL. So if my code can find it, I store it.
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tantek
that's a decent approach to caching
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aaronpk
[jonnybarnes] I think the indieweb relevance of netflix is the viewing history and ratings. I exported my whole viewing history before I closed my account and am planning on importing it to my new site kind of like scrobbles
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tantek
what is Netflix?
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Loqi
Netflix is a subscription service for on-demand streaming video https://indiewebcamp.com/Netflix
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tantek
what is viewing history?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "viewing history" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108q
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[jonnybarnes]
I see what you mean, as I said before though I see it as a difference in value. Other silos derive their value from the data we put into them, the tweets we write etc., Netflix’s value is the media content it licences from the film/tv studios. Even if they didn’t allow ratings etc. I’d still use netflix
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tantek
There are a lot of (ancient?) Distributed Social Network Projects documented here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jiXU8vDMbpUdLR9IK-IY5tnfq22i9yhbFrOJfPYLZEk/edit?hl=en#gid=0
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tantek
Would appreciate some help getting them stubbed on the IndieWebCamp wiki!
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tantek
I'll start with some what is ...
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tantek
what is Friendica?
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Loqi
Friendica is an open source, federated social platform that aims to federate with many other networks (silo and indie alike) https://indiewebcamp.com/Friendica
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tantek
what is Jappix?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Jappix" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108r
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petermolnar.eu
edited /archival_copy (+292) "/* Tools */"
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tantek
what is Crabgrass
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Crabgrass" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108s
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tantek
I know we have /Diaspora and /StatusNet already
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tantek
what is GNU Social?
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Loqi
GNU social is a free software project that "will be a decentralized social network that you can install on your own server" https://indiewebcamp.com/GNU_social
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tantek
what is Kune?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Kune" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108t
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tantek
what is Movim?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Movim" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108u
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tantek
what is Noosfero?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Noosfero" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108v
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tantek
what is ownCloud?
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tantek
what is BuddyCloud?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "BuddyCloud" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108w
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petermolnar
aaah, you're reminding me the weeks I've spent trying to make movim, buddycloud & some others to get running hosted
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petermolnar
those are probably the worst projects I've touched so far
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tantek
petermolnar: feel free to start as minimal stubs as you want, even if just a "I tried this is and it was painful / didn't work" etc.
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tantek
what is OpenLink Data Spaces?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "OpenLink Data Spaces" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108x
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tantek
what is ODS?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ODS" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108y
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tantek
what is psyced?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "psyced" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/108z
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tantek
what is Lorea?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Lorea" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1090
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tantek
what is Appleseed?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Appleseed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1091
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tantek
what is Duuit!
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Duuit!" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1092
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tantek
what is Socialriver?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Socialriver" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1093
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tantek
what is Friend2Friend?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Friend2Friend" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1094
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tantek
what is OpenMicroBlog?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "OpenMicroBlog" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1095
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tantek
what is 6d?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "6d" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1096
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tantek
what is Kopal?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Kopal" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1097
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tantek
what is PyofWave?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "PyofWave" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1098
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tantek
what is Ampify?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Ampify" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/1099
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tantek
what is ObjectCloud?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ObjectCloud" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109A
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tantek
what is Project Danube?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Project Danube" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109B
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tantek
what is Knowee?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Knowee" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109C
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tantek
what is rstatus?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "rstatus" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109D
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tantek
what is rstat.us?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "rstat.us" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109E
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tantek
what is Project Nori?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Project Nori" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109F
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tantek
what is Thimbl?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Thimbl" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109G
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tantek
what is Weestit?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Weestit" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109H
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tantek
what is CouchAppSpora?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "CouchAppSpora" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109J
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tantek
what is Dyskinesia?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Dyskinesia" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109K
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tantek
what is fordrop?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "fordrop" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109L
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tantek
what is GNU Social P2P?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "GNU Social P2P" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109M
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tantek
what is HelloWorld?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "HelloWorld" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109N
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tantek
what is Higgins?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Higgins" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109P
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tantek
what is Mr. Privacy?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Mr. Privacy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109Q
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tantek
what is NoseRub?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "NoseRub" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109R
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tantek
what is PeerSoN?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "PeerSoN" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109S
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tantek
what is Pontarius?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Pontarius" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109T
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tantek
what is psycion?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "psycion" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109U
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tantek
what is psyconaut?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "psyconaut" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109V
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tantek
what is psycTiVE?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "psycTiVE" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109W
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tantek
what is PsycZilla?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "PsycZilla" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109X
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tantek
what is Saikound?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Saikound" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109Y
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tantek
what is SMOB?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "SMOB" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109Z
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tantek
what is Social VPN?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Social VPN" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109_
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tantek
what is Social-Igniter?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Social-Igniter" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109a
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kylewm
lol, some of these names are really bad
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tantek
what is Socknet Provider-FoolishMortal.org?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Socknet Provider-FoolishMortal.org" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109b
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tantek
kylewm: you spoke too soon ;)
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tantek
what is UCentric?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "UCentric" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109c
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tantek
what is xodx?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "xodx" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109d
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tantek
and that's all from that Google Doc
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tantek
GoogleDocs, ironically, are not indexed by Google, (nor internet archive) and are thus dead to history
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tantek
These IRC logs may end up being the only record that that list of projects ever existed.
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kylewm
PyOfWave was an attempt to combine email, IM, forums, wikis, etc. into one system, that hoped to "undo whatever it was that made Google Wave fail".
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loqi.me
created /PyOfWave (+174) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449851796503 and dfn added by kylewm"
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tantek
kylewm: really hoping you're not just taking the dfns from that Googledoc ;)
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kylewm
no! from github
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tantek
(I wouldn't believe them on face value, and would check at least 1-2 levels of URL citations / references :) )
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tantek
ok phew
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kylewm
rstat.us has an expired https certificate
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tantek
kylewm: you could ping wilkie - I think he built it
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tantek
GWG, re: bookmark presentation, start with taking/uploading screenshots of what https://indiewebcamp.com/bookmark#Silos show for bookmark posts as well as lists of bookmark posts
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loqi.me
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GWG
I'm reading the wiki on reply contexts. The comments are more universal
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[shaners]
Steve Klabnik built rstatus, but later passed it on to other folks to maintain it.
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tantek
GWG, I think bookmarks are different enough to merit their own presentation analysis
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kylewm
tantek: not excited to contact him, he seems not a fan of IWC
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[shaners]
You could ping him on Twitter and he'd likely beep the right person about it. @steveklabnik
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loqi.me
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tantek
kylewm: wilkie has been a fairly positive contributor to W3C Social Web WG in the past few months, so I'm optimistic
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tantek
regardless, I understand
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tantek
and shaners is right, go ahead an ping Steve
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[shaners]
Kylewm: Klabnik is very iwc friendly
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tantek
heck if I see he him here in #Mozlando in person I'll nudge him (AKA give him a hard time)
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loqi.me
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petermolnar.eu
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GWG
Tantek, I agree. But the levels identified are useful in framing my thoughts. I am waiting for a delayed flight to NYC. I may not have room on the plane to document, but will try.
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GWG
If not, then after I that I want to document Pinboard as a pinnacle of text first design.
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tantek
GWG, open up a bunch of tabs on Pinboard etc.
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tantek
so that you can at least take screenshots, crop etc.
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kylewm
rstatus is /rstat.us
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kylewm
what is rstatus?
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tantek
also 10 minute window for Loqi listening for "is" answers
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "rstatus" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109h
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kylewm
what is rstat.us?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "rstat.us" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109i
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kylewm
rstatus is /rstat.us
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loqi.me
created /rstatus (+21) "prompted by kylewm https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449852925917 and dfn added by kylewm"
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kylewm
rstat.us is a distributed microblogging application built in Ruby that uses OStatus and PubSubHubbub.
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loqi.me
created /rstat.us (+128) "prompted by kylewm https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-11/line/1449852929206 and dfn added by kylewm"
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aaronpk
you can still click the links in the logs after 10 minutes is up
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kylewm
pinged steveklabnik
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@steveklabnik
@kylewmahan yeah I handed it off long ago, you'll have to talk to the current maintainer
(twitter.com/_/status/675359897597272064)
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kylewm
oh man, and email to rstatus@rstat.us returned to sender
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kylewm
gives up
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petermolnar
aaronpk you should register loqi.bot http://nic.bot/
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Loqi
who, me?
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aaronpk
amazon got it?
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petermolnar
appears so
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aaronpk
omfg gmail blocked me from sending email
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petermolnar
aaronpk blocking as full block or a temporarily greylist looking one?
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aaronpk
from the gmail interface: "You have reached a limit for sending mail."
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petermolnar
oh, sending from gmail, not to gmail
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petermolnar
I can't help with that unfortunately
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aaronpk
i know how it happened too, and it's silly
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petermolnar
were you sending emails?
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aaronpk
i don't like this future of cloud-enabled devices
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petermolnar
(sorry, Friday evening)
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petermolnar
although it's Qmail which gives me the chilles in the wrong mean
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aaronpk
I have a samsung wifi camera that I just mounted on my porch to watch the construction happening behind me http://i.imgur.com/Ndwbtqt.jpg
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aaronpk
i want to make a timelapse of the whole thing
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aaronpk
sadly the camera doesn't seem to have an HTTP interface to request a jpg from, so I set up motion alerts on the camera instead
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aaronpk
the only way to get motion alerts is to sign in with a gmail account on the camera and have it send email from that gmail account
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aaronpk
so i have the camera sending email from my gmail account to mailgun which forwards it to my home server as an HTTP post
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petermolnar
what's a bit mad
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aaronpk
last night i hit the mailgun free quota so it started rejecting all the emails
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aaronpk
which then gmail thinks i'm sending a large number of emails that are bouncing, so now i can't send email in gmail at all
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aaronpk
yeah i don't want to deal with that much hardware
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aaronpk
all I want is a wifi camera that has a URL that will return a JPG is that too much to ask?
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petermolnar
raspberry pi + motion
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aaronpk
still too much work. also the camera for the raspberry pi isn't very good
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aaronpk
also waterproofing a raspberry pi and camera setup sounds complicated
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petermolnar
use a microsoft usb one in that case
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petermolnar
I know it's a lot of work, I've been there, but just like you I wasn't able to find a proper, tweakable security camera
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aaronpk
I have these old panasonic cameras that were perfect for this. sadly they are not wifi and are also pretty bad quality.
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petermolnar
it could be cheap, high quality and tweakable; now choose 2 of these
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aaronpk
something like this would be great if it told me there was an http interface http://www.amazon.com/DBPOWER-Waterproof-Outdoor-Security-Detection/dp/B014K8D1XU
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petermolnar
I bought a similar one a while ago, it was pretty much restricted to the app and the windows-only web interface; this looks better though, but since then, I prefer the raspberry for anything similar
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snarfed
GWG: ooh, if you're interested in reply contexts, you should try out https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-reply-context and contribute!
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snarfed
(delayed reaction :P)
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aaronpk
aha I think a gopro might be the answer
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aaronpk
apparently you can log in to it via wifi and run a bunch of commands
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GWG
Snarfed, I have it built into Post Kinds, that is one of the points of the plugin.
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snarfed
ah true, right
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GWG
Snarfed, trying to redesign and improve it.
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GWG
I am putting a lot of thought into it
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GWG
Snarfed, I saw your post on client side reply contexts. Made me think
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snarfed
GWG: cool! and?
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GWG
I have code that I wrote to return JSON mf2 from a URL
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GWG
I just implemented it in the last update. I could do what you suggested either partially or fully.
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[snarfed]
for the design i described though, i actually expect the JavaScript would fetch and parse the page directly, since we have a js mf2 parser
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GWG
Snarfed, but that is full mf2, not a simple flattened version for the context.
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GWG
I said it made me think. I'm not thinking exactly as you proposed
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GWG
For me, it made me think about improving what I have
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[snarfed]
the downside of my design is it's js;dr. the upside is it's progressive enhancement, and works with any CMS by just including the script, no server side changes needed
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GWG
Snarfed, I just wanted to give you props.
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[snarfed]
thanks!
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GWG
Hopefully it will make things better.
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tantek
kylewm, aaronpk hmm - seems like both mf2py and pin13 are not parsing <link> elements with u-* properties, e.g. see blank strings for photo and url properties here: https://kylewm.com/services/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2Fcontact http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://tantek.com/contact
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aaronpk
I don't know anything about the pin13 mf2 parser other than I install the latest package available :)
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tantek
aaronpk: perhaps add some text like that to http://pin13.net/mf2/ and link to the github repo/issues?
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tantek
(trying to help discoverability to encourage a feedback loop)
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aaronpk
huh I used to add a link to the github repo in the parsed result
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aaronpk
not sure why that disappeared
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tantek
both parsed result and home page would be great!
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KevinMarks
GWG: that sounds like a jf2 usecase
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KevinMarks
"a simple flattened version for the context."
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GWG
KevinMarks, probably. But I also parse meta tags and open graph and output into mf2 properties as a fallback for non mf2 sites
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GWG
I also have more alternative factors that I want to try if Microformats don't cut it.
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tantek
do all those alternative factors have use-cases based in specific presentational requirements / desires?
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GWG
I want to get information any way I can
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KevinMarks
that's fair enough, but as an output format a jf2 entry may still make sense
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GWG
If I can't get author one way ...
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KevinMarks
that does show failing to get the href from link for photo
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tantek
GWG, I am interested in author information from pages
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tantek
GWG, have you implemented the /authorship algorithm?
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tantek
When you find real world examples that don't work with that algorithm, please add them as issues to /authorship#Issues !
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tantek
and then I'll look at them and either improve the algorithm, or make a note about the scope of /authorship
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GWG
Let me have a look
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GWG
Tantek, what is the scenario for no microformats
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GWG
KevinMarks, maybe I will change my return to support the jf2 format
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KevinMarks
webmention.io supports it which is very similar
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GWG
Mine is built into my Post Kinds plugin.
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GWG
With a quick change, it could be used by anyone
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GWG
Not that I see demand
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KevinMarks
tantek, can you file an issue on mf2py for the link parsing fail
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tantek
what is mf2py?
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Loqi
mf2py is a microformats2 parsing library for Python, developed by Tom Morris https://indiewebcamp.com/mf2py
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tantek
is this the canonical repo where I should file issues? https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py
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KevinMarks
though adding a test to https://github.com/microformats/tests could be helpful too
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tantek
added my real world example
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tommorris
Over Xmas planning to have a mf2py bug smash. ;)
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tantek
woohoo!
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tantek
tommorris: I assume you've been tracking the changes to /microformats2-parsing ?
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tantek
what is microformats2-parsing?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "microformats2-parsing" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109j
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KevinMarks
would adding in the mf2 to jf2 be useful, tommorris ?
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tommorris
Pull request welcome. 😀
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KevinMarks
I'll have a look
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tommorris
tantek: not recently - been busy on work and other things.
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tantek
tommorris: cool. be sure to check diffs since you last looked at it!
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GWG
Looking for more exotic metadata to supplement what I have. Someone explain to me why the New York Times has its own API?
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GWG
NIH?
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KevinMarks
what is NIH?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "NIH" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/s/109k
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KevinMarks
NIH is Not Invented Here, a classic big company response to standards
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loqi.me
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kylewm
tantek: interesting that it still parses the FaceTime url poorly https://kylewm.com/services/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2Fcontact
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tantek
yes that's very odd!
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kylewm
did you mean to put the u-url on the <a> instead of the <li> maybe?
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kylewm
rawr, stopped getting updates from my PuSH hub again
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tantek
kylewm: oops. fixed!
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GWG
Tantek, I am getting closer to documentation
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tantek
GWG thank you!
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tantek
snarfed, kylewm another Bridgy Publish photos to FB datapoint: when I POSSEd two photos, then a note (via Twitter), then another photo, FB clustered all three photos together into an "added to album" post on my timeline, despite the intervening note post.
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tantek
and oddly enough it shows up on top (before) on my timeline relative to the photo I posted *afterwards*
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tantek
so I have no idea what they're doing with clustering photo posts
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snarfed
so fun, huh!
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snarfed
fortunately i think we can make bridgy work (and respect per post privacy settings) without understanding their consolidation logic at all
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snarfed
fingers crossed
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tantek
snarfed: I think I now prefer my photos to show up on my FB timeline unclustered if possible
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snarfed
ah, right. i was thinking about backfeed, but for publish, agreed...it'd be nice to be able to control that, but sadly i don't think it's possible right now
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snarfed
i'd happily implement it if we find a way though!
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tantek
I can't figure out a good way to express it to file an issue
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tantek
would be good to at least track the desire/possibility
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snarfed
"prevent facebook from consolidating photo posts" would be a fine issue title
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snarfed
and just mention #562 in the body, it has gory details
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tantek
trying to word it as a positive
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snarfed
:P i get "positive instead of negative" at the high level, but negative is probably ok for lower level small things like this when it's maybe the clearest description
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snarfed
if you're interested in digging into this, maybe try some of the ideas in that SO post, e.g. uploading photos to the "Timeline Photos" album
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snarfed
you can set their privacy to "Just Me" so other people don't see them
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tantek
ensure each photo post shows up as its own post on timeline instead of being culstered into an album post
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snarfed
👍
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snarfed
just realized i didn't actually post the SO link here: http://stackoverflow.com/a/15362842/186123
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tantek
snarfed: ok tried to capture that at least: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/571
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david.shanske.com
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david.shanske.com
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@nelson
Using a third party service to view tweets as an RSS feed. Weeping.
(twitter.com/_/status/675431755029975040)
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KevinMarks
I think it does depend which album you put them in, and the 'Bridgy Photos' album or the 'Mobile Uploads' one is used that way
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KevinMarks
not sure if "instagram" is special
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KevinMarks
hm, though if you add them directly, not into an album it also does a 'n new photos' cluster
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snarfed
KevinMarks: all photos go into some album or other. default is maybe timeline photos?
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snarfed
(default album is context dependent, e.g. mobile apps use Mobile Uploads)
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KevinMarks
does instagram defeat clustering?
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snarfed
got me
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KevinMarks
I havent' seen instagram pix being clusterd on fb, but that may be more because people tend to post one at a time
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werd.io
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