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# 00:24 kylewm KevinMarks: I just saw an instagram cluster today (maybe for the first time) # 00:38 snarfed confirmed, the Timeline Photos album doesn't consolidate, but the rest do # 00:39 snarfed not sure if apps can upload to Timeline Photos though nitot, danlyke, KartikPrabhu, snarfed, pl_, obensource_, obensource, ttepasse, wolftune, squeakytoy and [shaners] joined the channel
# 07:12 [shaners] <@U03QR2B3P: your naming convention for p3k is very clever. :+1: nitot joined the channel
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# 11:45 petermolnar I think I'm done with pushing plugins to the official WordPress reposiroty # 11:46 Loqi petermolnar meant to say: I think I'm done with pushing plugins to the official WordPress repository # 11:46 petermolnar they have some lint on the svn (sic!) which apparently fails in PHP 5.6 functionalities nitot, j12t, wolftune, friedcell, ttepasse, loic_m and korayal joined the channel
# 13:48 GWG petermolnar: I push to the official repository to encourage adoption Tino joined the channel
# 13:57 petermolnar yeah, that were my reasons as well; turned out the lint they are using is php 5.4 # 14:06 GWG !tell acegiak Are you using like/favorite etc without a URL for anything? # 14:06 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next j12t, nitot, neanias, snarfed, wolftune, singpolyma and Tino joined the channel
# 16:54 GWG I am working to generate a display based on a set of variables, not all of which are set. The display changes based on which ones are # 16:54 GWG I am trying to find a way to do this that is better than a lot of if statements nitot and j12t joined the channel
# 17:10 GWG I have been looking for the right method nitot joined the channel
# 17:13 GWG I just wiped my former work to redo it. # 17:14 GWG A bookmark can have an author or not, that author can have a URL or not. # 17:14 GWG I could have an author image or not. # 17:16 GWG I know there are templating engines, but that seems like overkill [kevinmarks] joined the channel
# 17:23 GWG I don't want to eliminate them so much as have cleaner code that I can easily go back to and remember what I did. # 17:26 GWG I just don't want five levels of nested ifs. JonathanNeal_, uranther_, Phae_, reidab_, mattronix_, benward__, Zegnet, cjk101010, Jeena, singpolyma, snarfed and KevinMarks joined the channel
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# 19:22 tantek GWG, the challenge of conditional code for the presence/absence of particular properties is a real challenge # 19:23 tantek best way is to start from the presentation and work backwards # 19:24 tantek that is, sketch out how the presentation could/should/would ideally look if you have a certain set of properties, for all possible sets like that # 19:24 GWG I am starting with a basic presentation design. I'm actually going backward to that. I want to write that in a way I can remember how to work with it. Then enhance it. # 19:24 tantek you can approach that set of sketches two ways. you can start with, assume you have all the properties, what would a good presentation look like? which of the properties would you use and not use (even if you have them) ? # 19:24 tantek or you can start with - assuming you only had *one* property, what would you present? # 19:25 tantek and within those two approaches, you could start with text-first design # 19:25 GWG tantek: You raised the question of differing presentations based on single or feed view, and that added a second layer of questions on my part # 19:25 tantek once you have design sketches like that that look good to you, then you can figure out the minimal code necessary to produce them based on the presence/absence of properties # 19:26 GWG My plan at the moment was to break out reusable parts of the code into separate functions. # 19:26 tantek GWG, correct. there is different presentation of a permalink page vs. in-stream. # 19:26 tantek another (more subtle) difference is logged in vs. logged out view # 19:27 tantek and within the logged-in variant, another difference is has-write/edit/delete-permissions, or read-only (may choose to hide/show particular webactions like edit/delete) # 19:28 GWG That is why after thought, the best way to make it readable was to break it into pieces. # 19:28 tantek perhaps - it is difficult to figure out the pieces boundaries without first figuring out the variants that the pieces must fit into # 19:29 tantek by figuring out the variants first, you can look across them, side-by-side, and the common pieces will be more apparent. then you can implement those common pieces, vs the pieces that are different for each variant # 19:29 tantek the overall presentation variants of a whole post (whether on a whole page, or in a stream, or in an archive) # 19:31 GWG Lucky I bought that pack of Junior Pads # 19:32 tantek feel free to scan and upload your sketches too and add them to a brainstorming section for the specific post page e.g. /bookmark # 19:44 GWG tantek: As usual, I value your input. It is usually helpful in putting my thoughts into perspective even if I don't always understand or agree. # 19:46 KevinMarks you're going to have the conditional code somewhere, GWG, just need to decide how much is in templates and how much in main code # 19:48 GWG KevinMarks: That is my current contemplation. j12t and tantek joined the channel
# 20:03 tantek KevinMarks is right. The key with presentation-first design is that it is a way of making sure that every conditional driven by a specific presentational need/desire, which is a good way to minimize the number of such conditionals, and thus simplify the resulting code. j12t, friedcell, wolftune, nitot, tantek and jciv joined the channel
# 23:32 tantek without a URL of the thing being liked/favorited, it doesn't make much sense - though I suppose you could just like something by name without linking to anything # 23:34 GWG acegiak: Early on, weren't you using it for 'quotes'? snarfed joined the channel
# 23:36 GWG acegiak: Then I can make a quote post kind if the need arises and enforce the presence of a URL for like/favorite/etc at some point in the future. # 23:39 GWG I have a big update I'm working on still. # 23:39 acegiak Does the wish type currently enforce urls? Cause I can see that not needing one? # 23:40 GWG acegiak: None of them do. But my next item is rewriting the presentation/view code. So the absence/presence of data elements was on my mind. # 23:42 GWG acegiak: I'm thinking of removing the verb in favor of only the icon. # 23:44 acegiak GWG: hmm, I think maybe make that optional in some way? # 23:45 GWG I've already swapped icon fonts for SVG. I'm blaming KevinMarks for that. He sent an article link. # 23:48 GWG I can be very easily influenced by citations # 23:52 GWG acegiak: If you want to submit any sketches, I've refining the structure and preparing to build custom templates for each kind frzn joined the channel
@kevinmarks This sounds like a great future design for woodwind and other #indieweb readers https://blog.intercom.io/the-end-of-apps-as-we-know-them/ (twitter.com/_/status/675593332836270080)
@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: This sounds like a great future design for woodwind and other #indieweb readers https://blog.intercom.io/the-end-of-apps-as-we-know-them/ (twitter.com/_/status/675594620491927552)
@IMJACKTG RT @kevinmarks: This sounds like a great future design for woodwind and other #indieweb readers https://blog.intercom.io/the-end-of-apps-as-we-know-them/ (twitter.com/_/status/675593790111875072)
@dkreuz If complexity goes beyond a certain point, is a silo inevitable? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/675618602712702976)
petermolnar I think I'm done with pushing plugins to the official WordPress reposiroty
@krautsource +1 ”žbei all der .. kritik …, u.a. aus dem indieweb …, glaube ich, dass AMP … dem offenen we… http://wirres.net/article/articleview/8929/1/6/ https://twitter.com/krautsource/status/675677820006350848/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/675677820006350848)
[kevinmarks] Jinja2 is what I use for that
@indiessance @indiewebcamp #Instant #WebPage #CopyAndPaste #Code into #TextEditor #SaveAs .html Open #Browser #Done #HTML5 #P5js https://github.com/nick3499/p5-processing-sketches/blob/master/single_html_file_example.html (twitter.com/_/status/675746647872147456)
Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 9 hours, 23 minutes ago: Are you using like/favorite etc without a URL for anything? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-12-12/line/1449929175971
tantek GWG, /quotation is a different kind of post from like or favorite