#indiewebcamp 2015-12-15

2015-12-15 UTC
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KevinMarks wonder if this has api implications: http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/14/facebook-is-killing-photo-syncing-asks-users-to-download-its-moments-app-instead/#.8p1wjc:clV0
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tantek let's see how well manually POSSEing a video works to Twitter
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tantek.com edited /video (+65) "/* Tantek */ manual POSSE resembling what Bridgy Publish does" (view diff)
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tantek so... multi-photos
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tantek er, multi-photo posts
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tantek it's a thing on /Twitter - up to 4 photos - and I suspect kylewm is working on adding Bridgy Publish support to POSSE multiphoto posts to Twitter
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tantek frankly I'd be ok if a multi-photo only worked as a multi-photo to Twitter, and on FB it just posted the first photo
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tantek it being Bridgy Publish
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tantek and on Twitter it only posted up to the first 4 photos of a multi-photo post
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KevinMarks benwerd said at HWC that photo album posts were requested a lot on known, iirc
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upon2020.com edited /events/2015-12-16-homebrew-website-club (+11) "added j12t" (view diff)
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j12t Hey, whoever is charge of the CSS for the indiewebcamp.com wiki, I suggest an extra right margin on the first image inside <span="h-card">
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tantek KevinMarks: perhaps you could cite your tweet of benwerd saying that at HWC ;)
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tantek ok time to test that Bridgy Publish non-clustering-album support
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snarfed crosses fingers
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tantek hmm - nope
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tantek snarfed, top of timeline: https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik
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snarfed tantek: aha. you don't have a timeline photos album. :P https://www.facebook.com/tantek.celik/photos_albums
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snarfed if you make one (somehow?), it might work
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tantek wait what? what does that mean?
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snarfed honestly i'm not sure
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tantek do videos go into albums too?
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snarfed it's just evidently not guaranteed that everyone has a timeline photos album
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snarfed videos, i have no idea
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tantek snarfed, let's see what happens. just posted this https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102018644227583&set=a.10102018644676683.1073741831.214611&type=3&theater
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tantek and Instagram just crashed so hard it restarted my iPod
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tantek snarfed, well that seemed to do it (uploading one image manually via FB web UI, then POSSEing via Bridgy Publish)
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tantek I suppose the real test is to do one more
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tantek to see if gets clustered or not
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tantek snarfed, kylewm looks like it works now. Bridgy Publish appears to be posting individual photos to my FB "timeline" - started working once I posted a single photo *just* to my timeline which appears to have auto-created the "Timeline Photos" album.
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petermolnar !tell GWG what is the licence on your WP bridgy-publish plugin?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar !tell GWG nothing, found it, sorry
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+2) "move Features after all the how to, to focus more on helping people move off Twitter" (view diff)
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tantek odd that Loqi didn't pick this up: https://twitter.com/t/status/676760213756600320
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@t @paulrobertlloyd https://t.co/eQUvdRvBtX. Here’s how: https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter #indieweb #ownyourdata (ttk.me t4ej1) (twitter.com/_/status/676760213756600320)
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tantek even stranger ^^^ that the first tco URL is not resolved to its destination, but the indiewebcamp URL is?!?
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^
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tantek wow it looks like tweetcc(.)com got picked up by a spammer who redirects to a spam blog on wordpress.com
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tantek businessnewsweekly(.)wordpress.com which then links to their other spam domains
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tantek now proceeding to cleanup more of /Twitter
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@jgmac1106 A poem inspired by @DorineFlies Youth Advocacy work: https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/so-you-want-your-kid-to-code-b9b058483934#.5c27z4xvk #teachtheweb #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/676763691702984704)
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@t @paulrobertlloyd https://t.co/eQUvdRvBtX. Here’s how: https://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter #indieweb #ownyourdata (ttk.me t4ej1) (twitter.com/_/status/676760213756600320)
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+683) "move Reverse Syndicating At-Replies to end part of POSSEing" (view diff)
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tantek alright, that's a good bit of long overdue cleanup
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-12-16-homebrew-website-club (-11) "assuming Brighton is in same location, since adactio confirmed it is on for this week" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2015-12-16-homebrew-website-club (-151) "-Göteborg this week" (view diff)
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tantek adactio: sending paulrobertlloyd your way to help him use his own site instead of Twitter: https://twitter.com/t/status/676771118364037120
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@t @paulrobertlloyd 1. go to Homebrew Website Club Brighton tomorrow 2. Ask @adactio how he uses his site to ... http://tantek.com/2015/349/t2/go-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/676771118364037120)
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tantek.com edited /Salmentions (+38) "/* Related */ main links for relateds" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Salmentions (+205) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ aaronpk supports receiving" (view diff)
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adactio.com edited /events/2015-12-16-homebrew-website-club (+14) "/* Brighton */" (view diff)
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@adactio Come to Brighton’s Homebrew Website Club tomorrow in @68MiddleSt… https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-12-16-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/676774174090772482)
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tantek.com edited /Salmentions (+1842) "explicitly document sending and receiving salmentions protocols" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ Salmentions protocol now explicitly specified as what implementations must do in addition to supporting Webmention
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/Salmentions#Protocol
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tantek would appreciate review for accuracy! cc: ben_thatmustbeme, kylewm, acegiak
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tantek.com edited /Salmentions (+217) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Ben Roberts supports sending Salmentions" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme looks good to me, just wondering if it should make sure to be clear that if the post isn't udpated at all, don't send a salmention... for example if you don't display the update or the webmention was rejected for any reason
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tantek yes that's a good clarification
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm still waiting on my host to update my database to support utf-8 characters fully... once thats done I may have the first implementation of reacji working
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loqi.me created /Patreon (+141) "prompted by petermolnar and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Salmentions (+140) "/* Sending Salmentions */ keep track of whether any webmentions caused any changes, only send Salmentions if there was a change to the original in response to a webmention" (view diff)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: updated https://indiewebcamp.com/Salmentions#Sending_Salmentions
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ben_thatmustbeme that seems a lot clearer
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tantek.com edited /Salmentions (-71) "/* Receiving Salmentions */ simplify what is called receiving Salmentions" (view diff)
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tantek thanks for the review ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme no problem
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+3) "/* 2016 */ IndieWeb Summit" (view diff)
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@indiewebcamp @hectoriribarne where in Florida? Like Orlando? There’s now at least two of you that want one: https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#2016 ^@t (twitter.com/_/status/676785408525533184)
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tantek.com edited /silo-quits (+717) "Darren Mothersele" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, aaronpk, rhiaro, do we want to plan an IWC around the next MIT F2F?
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tantek.com edited /silo-quits (+71) "/* Darren Mothersele */ cite tweet too" (view diff)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: yes we totally should
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tantek have the dates been set?
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ben_thatmustbeme i know sandro reserved the room, while at F2F in SF, but I'm not sure if those dates are firm or not
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tantek I have 03-15,16,17 for Social WG f2f in my notes
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ben_thatmustbeme i didn't know if that was confirmed as the actual date or not
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tantek we could do 03-13,14 or 03-18,19
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ben_thatmustbeme i updated that on the main wiki page but put it as tentative
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ben_thatmustbeme can we actually bring that up in telcon today
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tantek updated where?
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ben_thatmustbeme also, i prefer the 13.14 slot, i can do monday tuesday much better than weekends
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ben_thatmustbeme http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#Next_Meeting
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: 13th is a Sunday btw
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ben_thatmustbeme oh yeah, woops
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tantek writing up options now
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ben_thatmustbeme i meant mon/tuesday
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ben_thatmustbeme i thought the f2f was wed-thursday
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ben_thatmustbeme only 2 days not 3
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tantek or TW
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tantek unsure
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+321) "/* 2016 */ writeup some options for 2016/MIT" (view diff)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: options added: https://indiewebcamp.com/Planning#2016 feel free to nested list-item +1/0/-1 each one!
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ben_thatmustbeme http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-12-02-minutes#Next_Face-to-Face_meeting
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tantek thanks
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ben_thatmustbeme looks like the dates are definite at this point, as it was said as a rough plan
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+115) "/* 2016 */ add likely swwg dates, thus likely iwc mit dates" (view diff)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: updated accordingly ^^^
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tantek leaving in all the options in case things change
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tantek go ahead and note your prefs!
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tantek especially if you're able to co-organize
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ben_thatmustbeme i wasn't too much help for the last one
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@calum_ryan Gathering thoughts/key points on @indiewebcamp + Homebrew Website Clubs for my 1st talk @frontendlondon next month. All suggestions welcome! (twitter.com/_/status/676790456324382720)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+330) "/* 2016 */ note Libreplanet, June events" (view diff)
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[jonnybarnes] I see <http://indiewebcamp.com|indiewebcamp.com’s TLS cert is from StartSSL, any plans to get a new cert from Let’s Encrypt? aaronpk?
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aaronpk not really
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aaronpk this one's a wildcard cert shared with a bunch of domains and is valid for 2 years. not a lot of reason to reconfigure everything before then since it's basically just a lot of additional work for no real benefit
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snarfed aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 31 karma
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[jonnybarnes] |indiewebcat.com?
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aaronpk also odds are the letsencrypt process and clients will change quite a bit in the next 2 years
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[jonnybarnes] yeah I suppose that’s true
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[jonnybarnes] Is rhiaro being _tagged_ in this post? <https://indiewebcat.com/notes/2015/12/07/1/rhiaro
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aaronpk yeah that's how I show person tags
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[jonnybarnes] Why not an actual name, why the URL?
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aaronpk cause i haven't tied it in to the nicknames cache yet
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[jonnybarnes] does that generalise better to dofferent silos? I see an <http://instagram.com/xxxxx|instagram.com/xxxxx futher down
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[jonnybarnes] ahhh, kk :simple_smile:
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aaronpk also these are coming from instagram most of the time. ownyourgram sends the instagram URL if the person's instagram profile doesn't have a URL in their profile
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aaronparecki.com created /webmention-spec (+10907) "move spec to its own page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Webmention () "(-9972) move spec contents to [[webmention-spec]]" (view diff)
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@tinokremer @benwerd I figured out what goes wrong with the WebMentions in Known... https://tinokremer.nl/2015/benwerd-i-figured-out-what-goes-wrong-with-webmentions-comments (twitter.com/_/status/676802748256559104)
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aaronparecki.com edited /webmention-spec (-38) "update based on latest changes from github" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k_naming_convention (+4) "in progress" (view diff)
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kylewm so it turns out you can't POSSE location to Facebook by searching for a lat/long and hoping for the best :)
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aaronpk hehe no I would imagine not
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kylewm I tried posting from my house, and it checked me in to a massage place across the street
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aaronpk instagram's suggested venues got awful as soon as they switched from foursquare to the facebook places database
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snarfed kylewm: you might as well go get a massage now
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snarfed silver lining:
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snarfed er, !
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aaronpk hehe
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@rrrrrrrix @theprincessxena I hooked up webmention.io and brid.gy to mine. Pulls from fb and twitter (twitter.com/_/status/676868804178145280)
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tantek.com edited /webmention-spec (+463) "/* Updating existing webmentions */ add explicit MAY for updating data from h-entry (since implementations interoperably do this), and if an implementation does, it MUST does so per mf2 and h-entry specs, same with children of h-entry" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /webmention-spec (+107) "/* Updating existing webmentions */ clarify SHOULD / MUST relationship with supporting updates, as well as different levels of implementation: webmention, webmention updates, salmentions" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Vouch (+1315) "add spec header, == Issues ==" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Salmentions (+1326) "add spec header, == Issues ==" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /webmention-spec (+124) "move other authors to acknowledgements" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Vouch (+42) "add myself as co-editor" (view diff)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: would be interested in co-editing /Salmentions with me?
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tantek since you've been doing a lot of editing work on the wiki(s) in general, and have implemented Salmentions
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tantek if so, please go ahead and add yourself, just as aaronpk added himself to /Vouch up above ^^^
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